Streaking Grime RUINED my Miniatures.

[@vectorshaman338]

Also used grime for the 1st time recently and destroyed 2 minis for DnD. I had 2 layers of mat varnish. But learned a lot. 1) Maybe didn't let the streaking grime dry long enough. 2) Used too much spirit 3) Pressed too hard with the Q-Tips. 4) Maybe try w/ a paintbrush dipped in spirit and be more gentle with the removal 5) using a brush instead of Q-Tips Hope we can all learn from each other!! Cheers from Copenhagen!!

[@jannloneke8366]

The issue is with the varnish, it reacts with both enamel and oil based paints.

[@2ClutchGamers]

Using streaking grime is another practice in color theory. Brown is good shadow for red, green, or other warm colors. Reductive techniques also take extreme patience and extra steps

[@melsminiloft]

Yikes! It looked like he walked straight out of a Dagobah swamp. But I love the recovery haha and i definitely agree theres a place for every type of painting technique.

[@LizardofDoom]

I know right! I was aiming for battle grime not swamp juice! I seem to specialise in ballsing it up and then recovering. 😂

[@PigGibbon]

They look mint on that terrain. “Chef’s Kiss”. Don’t forget to hold the high ground in your game.

[@LizardofDoom]

You underestimate my power.

[@MartinPittBradley]

Strange that the clear coat didn’t protect the paint. For grime, they have a light grey sand and dirt deposits that might work better…

[@AmarisDentin]

RE: 'Bad' dry brushing - Honestly - if a technique gets you the look *YOU'RE* happy with - it's good.

[@kscott2655]

Also, you should really let your varnish fully dry and cure before moving on to the next step.

[@LizardofDoom]

I was pretty sure it was but maybe not, I even used a hair dryer on it to make sure it was done.

[@kscott2655]

@LizardofDoom - Paint and varnish drying time and curing time is not the same. It may have been dry, but varnish (and paint or primer) can take 24 hours to fully cure to its top hardness and durability. I try to prime the day before I want to paint something for this reason.

[@kscott2655]

Plus it still looked like that 'ardcoat was still dying on some of the bases when you began adding the Martian Ironearth. But I know sometimes the magic of editing can leave false impressions of such things. Putting paint, varnish, and technical down too fast is probably why the brown cracked with the technical paint.

[@centaurbestia9018]

I also have a problem with this. I bought a streaking effects mig - which is supposedly an alternative to ak. I test painted a section of the model and it does not dry at all. I waited 3 days and even after such a time the paint is still wet and can be wiped off by lightly touching it.

[@pv_hobbying]

I find it needs to be thinned down prior to going on, this then makes it easier to remove. Additionally, it's partly down to the way it is removed, if you use too much force through the cotton buds, they will cause friction and rub the paint off.

[@OntarioGuy430]

I love how this popped up just after I ordered streaking grime. It is kind of scary though.

[@LizardofDoom]

The best hypothesis on what happened here is that the varnish was dry to the touch but not cured when I put the streaking grime on. So that’s something to avoid 😂

[@lesteryupingkun4292]

Happened to me too! I had to strip the model and then repaint it, add a layer of varnish, before putting the oil wash and removing with spirit

[@sambettridge3674]

i used streaking grime on one of my chaos knights that i had used leadblecher spray primer on and the red paint on the armour like chipped and got almost "rusted" and the metal underneath came through perfectly. no idea how i did it but godly affect

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

You don't wash white with brown unless you want a brown model. You should wash white with a mid grey.

[@LizardofDoom]

Unless you want it to look like brown grime on the model from their environment not just shadows on the armour panels. But thanks know it all McGoo. 😂

[@prepcooksurvive5807]

Using the grime and force just how you treat my mum 😮

[@GeorgieQuidd]

I use the Ammo streaking grime as it works the best. Ive food all AK tends to stain if you leave it on for too long. But Ammo doest seem to do that. I know you've used AK all the time but maybe try Ammo next as the formula is better. But you have to gloss prime before as it needs white spirit to remove and that breaks down the acrylic paint and strips the mini as tried it with out and yeah ruined a days mini painting haha

[@LizardofDoom]

I haven't heard of the Ammo one, I'll definitely look in to that, thank you :)

[@wogan8363]

I've used a very similar method for a lot of my bases (replacing Sylvaneth Bark with Bugman's Glow) but I never knew Ardcoat helped the cracking! You've enriched my life once again, along with the addition of Rhinox Hide to my paint collection. Thank you sir.

[@LizardofDoom]

Also making sure it’s on thick and applying a little bit of heat with a hairdryer will help the cracking 🙂

[@pazuzu_666]

Never used 'ardcoat before, but I have never had this issue when using AK, Vallejo, or Ammo's Lucky varnishes. Also, was the 'ardcoat fully cured? Hard to tell with it being a gloss, but if not fully cured, the grime could permeate the coating causing the staining and be why the spirits started to remove everything. When brushing on varnish a thicker coat is typically applied and therefore needing a longer cure time than if airbrushed. If only the surface was cured that was likely the cause.

[@LizardofDoom]

This seems to be the general consensus that maybe the varnish wasn’t cured enough yet I think collectively everyone is probably right, it was dry to the touch so I pressed on, I will wait longer next time 🙂

[@legodovakin]

Pure heresy to paint Cody blue

[@LizardofDoom]

He’s Sergeant Boomer now 😂

[@jannloneke8366]

The issue is quite simple - never use any varnish when working with enamel and oil based paints. Issue fixed.

[@SpensPainting]

You could say I've used Streaking Grime a few times. I think what might have happened is that the varnish wasn't fully cured or the grime was left to cure for too long. Either way, great video and well done on the end result!

[@LizardofDoom]

I think the general consensus is the varnish wasn't fully cured just dry to the touch, and thank you :)

[@SpensPainting]

@@LizardofDoom it’s a great learning point tbf! Enamels are brilliant but there’s some pitfalls with them that people can fall into if they’re not aware so videos like this are great for making people know what to look out for

[@LizardofDoom]

@@SpensPainting I think the channel speciality is ballsing things up then powering through 😂

[@sushimandaddi]

Streaking grime is just basically oil paint. Oil paint is much easier to use and cheaper! I would also recoomend makeup "moguls" to remove rather than qtips, they are small sponges rather than cotton!

[@Eschatonin6666]

What you expected: Steaking Grimer What you got: Streaking Muk

[@LizardofDoom]

Damn thing evolved on me 😂

[@MrLems87]

Maybe use a better varnish? How long did you wait before removing it? Also, it can be a bit tricky working with enamels like this and this isn’t the point of streaking grime - why not try a brown / black oil wash instead?

[@WizardAngst]

No, I am Max.

[@airwick01570]

Looking good Max, really digging the terrain and the minis just go perfect in their environment. How would the weathering pigment look on the tufts if done after they were set?

[@LizardofDoom]

Thank you mate 🙂 Because the powder is so richly coloured being pure pigment it’d make the tufts that colour too, you can just use a bit of a smaller brush and go around them though if you’re doing it the other way round.

[@mikewicked.x]

I had a similar issue using streaking grime on the Shatterpoint Terrain, and likewise never had that happen before either. I wonder if AMG use some sort of mould release similiar to cast resin?

[@LizardofDoom]

Interesting you could be on to something there

[@MIK136PARKS]

You did Commander Cody in 501st colours, he should have orange detailing from the 212th

[@LizardofDoom]

I painted them all as 501st to make my force look more coherent (and because they're my favourite), He's painted as Sergeant Boomer from the 501st because they wear the same type of helmet with the sun visor.

[@patrickruderisch718]

I love streaking grime, black, color, streaking grime, specials, super cool.❤

[@Phoenikuz]

Ooof, I've been there as well! I've found that using some satin or gloss varnish over the areas you don't want to take on the color of streaking grime - that helps a lot!

[@LizardofDoom]

The 'ardcoat I used was a gloss varnish but it seemed to eat up the colour even more, I've used both of these products together before, from the same pots even, and never had this happen!

[@Phoenikuz]

@@LizardofDoom oh man - I have no idea how I missed that point in the video - sorry about that! Well in this case that's really strange for sure... maybe the 'ard coat wasn't hardened enough or something like that, so that they mixed together instead?

[@LizardofDoom]

@@Phoenikuz no need to apologise 🙂aye could be a possibility that they mixed and that's what pulled all he paint off down to primer

[@Skamanduder]

Big fan of 'Background chodes'

[@LizardofDoom]

I've heard that about you before 😉😂

[@brianshobbyspace3569]

Nice video. I always paint the characters first too.

[@LizardofDoom]

I can’t resist 😂

[@Storehouse-805]

I love your videos! I cant wait to see your channel explode!

[@LizardofDoom]

Thank you mate, you’ve been with me for a while and I appreciate you!

[@garethcourtney9472]

Nice save 🤙🏻 they look awesome was told on dukes discord to give it a watch as im about to start my first army. Ive watched all your videos and love them plenty of inspiration to get me going. Grimdark BA here I come keep it rocking bro, GAZ 🤙🏻

[@LizardofDoom]

Thank you mate, I really appreciate the support! Good luck with your Grimdark BA!

[@Trinioutsider34]

This reminds me why I don’t wanna touch Streak and Grime. I just don’t trust the product.

[@ProPaperClip00]

Funnily enough I have some Ak streaking grime but I'm scared to use it incsse I ruin the model

[@LizardofDoom]

This has never happened before and I've got no idea why it happened, it does make me nervous to use it again.

[@kristoff7049]

I love Shatterpoint! Currently my favourite mini game!

[@LizardofDoom]

I had a great time playing it the other day, a lot of fun with very few minis

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

With the sheet of paper, if you fold it first so there is a crease it will flow down and into the pot easier, just weight down the corners while using the powder. Also, with the streaking grime, they have apparently changed the recipe and their track dirt (or is it railway grime? ) works well.

[@UrikHaio]

Very identified!

[@chrisday9297]

Job's a good un!

[@migueldelvalle3871]

It worked

[@prz3mq]

where IG? :D

[@Treestump7271]

Yay 🎉

[@shangron5796]

Good Job You.

[@Vecnas1]

lol you don't know how to use it, varnish them before putting the grime

[@LizardofDoom]

I did

[@jojan292]

dangerously close to an eons of battle title here fella... we don't want to end up with an unwashed ass now... do we? P.S. THE CLANKERS ARE COMING

[@LizardofDoom]

oh no, my neck beard is growing !!!

[@Rob-fn1kp]

amazing. but.... the pigments on the models..... its not sealed in right? won't it just come over.... over time?

[@LizardofDoom]

A small amount but the majority has been dusted off anyway leaving just the most secure bits left, I’ve found that giving it a blast with a hair dryer on a cool setting dislodges anything that would of come off over time

[@kscott2655]

I don't like how prevalent Streaking Grime has become anyway. So many use it on everything and I'm tired of it. I'm sorry it happened to you on this project, but I'd be happy to see less of this product in general.

[@willsuttie3683]

It's just Agrax for wankers.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

There are a number of different options similar to use from ak and other brands.

[@kscott2655]

@bionicgeekgrrl - It's not the exact product that irritates me, it's the method. I don't like any of them.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

@@kscott2655 Ah, its just personal preference really. Everyone can do with their models as they like really. If you don't like it, just don't buy it :)

[@darrenmcgovern7845]

Why people buy these kinds of products YOU CAN MAKE THEM YOURSELF with normal acrylic paint water and a small bit of washing up liquid or normal oil washes things you know how they will behave there's these kind of products for everything rust etc its a lazy way of painting