NOTE: Arches no longer makes watercolor board...sadly. One descent alternative (but not equal in quality) is Crescent Watercolor Board. Here is a link. amzn.to/3ZwAh4A
@marjoriejohnson65357 ай бұрын
I didn't realize i have been watching you for 9 years! I remember when you first posted this. The time has flown. So glad this came up on my feed again. Thank you.
@mindofwatercolor7 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching. I recognize your name from some of those days. 😊
@andyhamilton94594 жыл бұрын
OMG, you are so good at zeroing in on key questions, answering them succinctly, and getting off the stage. As a retired guy, I don’t have time to experiment endlessly. I’ve only got so many paintings in me, so I look for quick wisdom like this. Old guys rule!!
@OkieSketcher19493 жыл бұрын
I just went back to this video for a refresher class. I am inclined to go with not stretching my paper. If it buckles badly enough I can always let it dry, lay it face down on a towel, lightly dampen the paper, lay a towel over it again and then apply some pressure. Let it dry and see what happens. So far that works and I have yet to lose any paint to the bottom towel nor suffer the paper pain of having the paper stick to the towels. I have not yet tried the watercolor boards or clay boards. Thanks again for what you do. Enjoy the art. Enjoy watching you paint. Enjoy the ability to learn from you.
@ppmppm70102 жыл бұрын
Yep you van even iron it
@Meticularius5 жыл бұрын
9/27/2019 USA Grandpa Bill: It is this kind of quality that makes your videos worth every minute of watching.
@chrislora88953 жыл бұрын
Even after 6 years, this video is extremely helpful about why and how to stretch paper. I’ve tried blocks and thought it was MY fault that the paper buckled! Now will explore heavier paper and paper boards. Thank you!
@sharonandersen36694 жыл бұрын
I'm a beginner in watercolour. You cleared up the confusion I had about stretching papers. Thanks for a clear demo, salient info with no blabbing on off track, and appreciate your opinions.
@bella-bee4 жыл бұрын
I’ve come here from bookbinding, so I have a cast iron nipping press. Lucky me. Big screw, brings a cast iron plate done on the paper. Heavy weights over boards would also work. I’ve put a clean water wash on the back of my buckled painting to relax it again, placed between blotting paper/kitchen paper, and some flat boards, and nip it up fo 24 hrs.. It came out nice and flat. But blow me down, the thing was still bowing after a while. But not irregular. I glued it as a front piece onto a card made of Bristol board, and it’s pulled that into a slight bow. These molecular forces are powerful!!
@barryteghtmeyer54664 жыл бұрын
Stretching is one of those subjects where everyone has an opinion! When I started, gummed tape was the only way to go, especially with larger pieces. Now, when I’m teaching with smaller pieces on 140lb. I find that artists tape works fine. Especially with beginners. Not ideal.. but good enough that the paper doesn’t buckle. This reminds me to discuss stretching in my next class! Thanks Steve!
@ismya-arts3 ай бұрын
You are such a gem. I've been getting into painting larger recently and the warping/buckling problem gets so much worse the bigger I paint. I did a quick search on the topic and found some random videos about stretching but I thought, "I bet MOW has vidoes on this". I know this is one of your older videos but it gives better info than almost anyone else. Thank you for all your work, time, and thought you always put into everything you do. For now, I will probably have to stretch even though I know you don't love it. I just can't afford the thicker papers yet for my experimenting.
@CaptainFutureman2 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right about the blocks, they buckle and warp all over. I do prefer to use them for the sake of convenience and it's important to note that when they are fully dry again (may need to give it a few days) they will return to being almost perfectly flat. So I find I only need stretched paper when I'm working very, very pouring wet with paper that's lying flat on the table. If I keep the moisture controlled or slightly tilt the paper, the lakes and puddles aren't really a problem.
@mindofwatercolor2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@jimflint32089 жыл бұрын
Steve, I am getting back into watercolor after a long hiatus. Your talk on stretching was the most lucid, well produced video I have seen to date. It answered all my questions in a logical sequence. I will watch your other videos eagerly and have subscribed ( which I normally avoid). Thanks!
@ilahjarvis5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for addressing this. I haven't stretched my watercolor paper in over 20 years, and I don't even mention it to my students. While 140 lbs buckles a little, it's minor enough that I ignore it and keep painting.
@kentjensen4504 Жыл бұрын
Best video on this topic I've ever seen. You've just ended years of frustration for my father and myself. Thank you, lked, and subscribed!
@mindofwatercolor Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped
@SumiyoToribe9 жыл бұрын
I never stretch my paper (140lb). I like the ragged edges of sheet papers, so I paint to the edges and frame it floating. no staples, no tapes and no stretching. if I have some paddles, I tilt the paper and drip down, up, or sideways for expressive marks. I sometime soak them up with paper towels. or I leave the puddles to dry for some organic stain looks. All my finished paintings are warped or buckled, so I put weight on them to press down flat. for my painting style, no need for stretching papers : ) I always enjoy your videos. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, skills and valuable info.
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
Sumiyo Toribe Thanks for the input Sumiyo. Great to have you watching!
@miraxterrik3 жыл бұрын
If you put weights on it, will it really be flat again..?
@SumiyoToribe3 жыл бұрын
@@miraxterrik I have many paintings under the weight and numbers keep increasing. I don’t know how long it takes to be completely flatten, but they all do get flat. If a corner or edge of a paper is curled up, I just uncurl it by bending the other direction without ripping or folding.
@miraxterrik3 жыл бұрын
@@SumiyoToribe thanks, great to know because i don't really want the hassle of stretching the paper..
@andreamto3 жыл бұрын
This painting option is really cool. I will still try to paint like this. But I believe that only a few times, because my style of drawing and painting, are more academic, more figurative and precise. in this way, I believe that not stretching the paper for me would not be a good option! ... But I LOVED your idea!
@sagefirestudio10 жыл бұрын
I use 140lb paper and secure it to a board with bulldog clips. I work in a loose style and allow the anomalies of watercolors to happen. The wettest part of my painting process is at the beginning. Also I work at an angle so what hills and valleys that do form does not really effect my painting. This is the method I have used for years. Though I have used masking tape and other stretching methods. I found that unless you use really wet washes 140lb paper doesn't buckle that much. And for the way I paint the bulldog clips work just fine. My first watercolor teacher had us secure our paper down with push pins at the corners. He did not want us to worry so much about stretching the paper, but more about the painting process. When a lot of time and effort is put into preparing your paper you may feel hesitant to paint, for fear of spoiling the paper.
@mindofwatercolor10 жыл бұрын
A.J. Nivens Yes, yours is a good example of useful non-stretchery... (made up that word). Its not a necessity to stretch and many artists with loose styles prefer not too. It all has to do with results. If buckling hills and valleys are hindering the results you're after you'll need to stretch. Many artists don't bother because its not an issue.
@nancyroberts94096 жыл бұрын
What is bull dog clips
@monicaperez28435 жыл бұрын
@@nancyroberts9409 Ask at your local art supply store . . . they will show you.
@JWentu4 жыл бұрын
this is how I feel: I just started and had no idea paper had to be prepared with a lengthy boring process. I use 140lbs paper and it always buckles immediately.after that, having a regular background is almost impossible. It is quite disheartening!
@kathryndohring54814 жыл бұрын
@@JWentu I just iron it when I'm done.
@ziggy333999 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot. I'd never thought about stretching paper before. Saved by your comment near the end, "Do I HAVE to stretch paper? That answer is no. NOW you're talking my language." Whew....I'm staying with your language, too.
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
Marian McAfee Glad it was a help. Stretching is really just a matter of whether you wish to deal with buckles or not. Simple as that. If you despise them, you must stretch or use paper that won't buckle. Many artists just put up with the buckles.
@melaniesee89166 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to remove the buckle in a finished piece? I have what I *thought* was going to be a quick practice but I'm very pleased with it...so now I want to "unbuckle" it. (It's not terribly wavy.) Also--you have a new Patreon subscriber. :)
@lorihanby67334 жыл бұрын
@@melaniesee8916 you may have already discovered an answer to your year old question. But one good way to flatten a completed painting that I've found works well for me is to lightly mist the back of the totally dry painting with water. Then lay it on a flat surface (I sandwich it between two layers of paper towel to help quicken the dry time) then stack some heavy books on it making sure to have the painting covered from edge to edge in weight. Leave for several hours to flatten and dry out completely. The humidity level in your local air will influence how long this takes. I live in Utah and usually just leave mine overnight to simplify things. If its a rainy day it can take a little longer, if it's a hot dry day it can work in about 6 hours. Once dry the painting will be nice and flat and ready to frame. I've found this process works much better than trying to iron the painting.
@drbob5286 жыл бұрын
Don't be afraid ;-) I enjoyed your presentation: clear and to the point. I've just started watercolour painting and, like you, wanted to avoid pre-stretching my paper. So, I selected 300 gsm (140 pound) and 535 gsm (250 pound) papers and, so far so good; though I do prefer the heavier 535 gsm paper, which doesn't seem to bow at all. Thanks for providing confirmation that I may be on the right track.
@shylacraig18588 жыл бұрын
I was so nervous about searching for a good video but this pulled up first and I don't feel the need to search anymore. Thank you for saving me time, great video!
@mindofwatercolor8 жыл бұрын
+Shyla Craig Thanks for watching. I linked to a couple others in the description if you're looking for more info.
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
@Jim Thanks for the encouraging comment. Welcome back to the medium!
@jessicahavens-ziebarth94094 жыл бұрын
This is so much more straightforward than a lot of the videos on this subject. Less glamourous, less fun, but much more helpful!
@Yunyun59557 жыл бұрын
Great video! In the past I have stretched the paper using embroidery hoops. They make for interesting studies, are inexpensive, and it's easy to do!
@KirkwoodStudio6 жыл бұрын
Marina Oneill I would love to see a picture of this.
@bella-bee4 жыл бұрын
There are also massive versions used for hand quilting, a few feet across!
@appleknocker562 жыл бұрын
Wish still had ones my grandmother had as never used 100% & can’t buy stretch thing or staple! Guess tape like a lot & not super heavy w the water?
@RendaJane2 жыл бұрын
@@appleknocker56 Wider tape is more reliable but loses more of your expensive paper.
@sarahs55753 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for covering the options…including going with heavier paper to avoid the whole thing altogether!
@akaye6435 жыл бұрын
Your video editing, the information you give, and the way you deliver is just awesome, it keeps me glued to the screen and I really learn some valuable things in the end. Great work!
@patriciah32356 жыл бұрын
Ready to resume painting after a hiatus & thought about this issue. THANK YOU for a thorough review of the WATER ISSUE. It's not about stretching, but about how much water you use, from start to finish. If there's buckling, something has to change.
@henrysikorski26654 жыл бұрын
What I've started to do lately is to glue my paper to a 4 ply backing board and it works great. It may bow slightly with heavy washes, but returns to flat with just a little weight applied to the back once the paper is dry. All I do is draw an outline of my paper centered on the backing board. Then I apply archival adhesive like Yes glue or Lineco inside the outline (or the back of the paper itself), and line the parts up and put them together. Next I start at the paper's center and roll out any air bubbles or unevenness with a brayer and put a weight on it to keep it flat overnight. Next day is happy painting....
@patzplaze6 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Steve. I watched all your 'best paper' videos, and you've helped me decide what to get. I have been struggling with watercolor, and only now realize that I have been working with the wrong paper. Who knew that all watercolor paper was not created equal? Me :( So, thank you so much!
@ficheye004 жыл бұрын
I worked on Strathmore for a while so I could practice, but it's terrible paper. I switched to Arches and the paint and water behaves completely different.
@dharryg2 жыл бұрын
Australian botanical artist Angela Lober has an interesting stretching method displayed on the KZbin blog of her Norfolk Island Pine watercolor on hot press paper. After the painting is finished and dry, she turns it over onto a clean towel, spaying the back of the paper with water and then carefully brushing off the buckling with. large brush. Then she tapes it to a clean window to dry in the sunlight and it dries “tight as a drum.”
@kreativna Жыл бұрын
The main point of stretching is to keep the paper flat *while* painting, so the paint doesn’t puddle and create unwanted areas of concentrated color.
@utpicberlin12256 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I have always stretched watercolor paper with gum tape method, and although, as you correctly point out it is not 100% reliable, like with all things, one does master the art after a while and success rate naturally increases (I'm at over 90%). Stapling method seems too much effort - especially removing them. And commercial stretchers are too expensive, esp. if one likes to have several boards ready for painting at any time. This is how things have developed : Gum tape is 50mm wide so I get boards cut exactly 50mm larger than the standard dimensions of the papers I use (I buy blocks not sheets). This ensures that a) the outer edge of tape corresponds exactly to edge of board and b) half of tape sits on the paper and half on board. So process is quicker, more accurate and consistent. I also stick small wooden "buttons" (mine are wood plugs, which I found in hardware store) on the underside of the board close to corners, so I can stack the boards flat one on top of the other - a neat solution! (I stretch 10 boards at a time). I suppose the solution one finds will depend on how one works and how often one paints. Which is what is nice about this video - it does give an overview of the options. I just wouldn't dismiss the tape method that quickly!
@Harper.s_Art11 ай бұрын
This is a very helpful idea
@UriValdez4 жыл бұрын
I’m a beginner, I’ve never stretched my paper of 140 Lb I only hold it down with tape and when I’m done I’ll let it dry before removing the tape and there’s minimal to none bubbling or buckling and if there is some a I place it flat under a heavy stack of books for a day or 2 and problem solved.
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
@Amenah- Glad it was a help. Thanks for watching!
@Polkadotpup7 жыл бұрын
I watched the video and used a second hand canvas as a test. I even used the back of a watercolor painting for the paper. I wet the paper and stapled it to the stretcher bars on the canvas. Most successful test I've ever done. Tight as a drum.
@lesley5234 жыл бұрын
I don't stretch my paper. When I'm finished painting, I lay the painting face down on a clean towel, wet the back lightly with water, put another towel on top, and then something to weigh it down. Comes out flat every time!
@robynwhite56623 жыл бұрын
That’s why I’m here watching videos. I did do a painting on heavy paper and now it’s buckled.. 🙄
@cath0dictube5 жыл бұрын
you're awesome. you're like if my dad was a professional watercolor painter instead of an engineer. thank you!
@Ljp9253 жыл бұрын
I used to design tee shirts with hot fix rhinestones and heat transfer vinyl. I use my heat press to flatten the buckles.
@lindawaldo91443 жыл бұрын
Took your advice. I LOVE my otto stretcher. The 9 X 12 is great for my needs. Thank you!!
@christianedufour12423 жыл бұрын
I would love to use 300lb arche paper, but it's outside my budget. So, have been using 140 lb and stretching. So far I've done 3-4 mins soaking and taping with gummed tape. Once in place, I rub down the tape with a dish towel to really make it stick, and since doing that, the paper has never run away,from the under the tape. I also put down a 1/2 inch of masking tape to create a white border. Maybe that helps too. I will try the stretch test next time to see if I have the right wetness. So far, may paper always comes out perfectly flat at the end.
@allanfink78163 жыл бұрын
I had a painting class in college where we made WOOD frames for stretching papers, very similar to canvas stretchers and we stretched both watercolor papers as well as many kinds of drawing papers. The wood frames were a lot like picture frames, so no solid board under the paper. I do like drawing on stretched drawing paper, but didn't have proper woodworking tools for it after college so I left it behind - you have to make perfect right angles and they have to be pretty sturdy to withstand the tension. I never tried to use commercial canvas stretchers, but I may give that a try sometime.
@Fantasvale9 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who knows what is doing here! New subscriber and "watercolor colleague" :-P
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
***** Hey thanks! I appreciate the vote of confidence from another pro.
@vaughnemett45456 жыл бұрын
I made a couple of Bromley type stretchers by cutting grooves into the edges of a wooden panel, and using screen retaining spline, the kind you would use for replacing a window screen. They work quite well and are inexpensive to make if you have woodworking tools. I get no buckling whatever after stretching because, as you say, you are adding tension to an already soaked paper.
@mindofwatercolor6 жыл бұрын
Cool! Good for you. I suspect the Bromley is really nothing more than what you stated.
@morefiction32643 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This wirked perfectly. Just painted my wife's valentine and previously had not liked the rippled look to the card. I soaked my arches for 10 minutes in a paint roller tray and stapled it to a sheet of MDF. No bucking or wrinkling while painting. Looks great. I'm going to check out your mention of the gal who uses canvas stretchers.
@gorway77 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve some great tips as usual, what a contentious subject... I have been experimenting with an idea I came across by accident one day when I tried to pick a wet sheet of paper off my glass table - I use a sheet of Plexiglass now cut to 1/4 imp. I do my sketching first then soak my sheet and lay it on the plexiglass, I lay a clean tea towel on top pressing out any air bubbles and removing excess water then secure the edges with about 8 small bulldog clips and start laying my wet in wet straight away. Even as the surface dries there is enough moisture on the back for the suction to hold the paper firm and flat and I can still add my fine details at the end without any bleeding. I know this will not work for everyone but it works well the fast and loose style I am playing with at the moment. I did have a few occasions where the "size" on some papers caused some adhesion when dry but it released when I slipped a pallet knife underneath.
@mindofwatercolor7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've seen this technique. It pretty Interesting. Cheap Joes does a video on using this approach to avoid stretching.
@lg83659 ай бұрын
Thank you!! ❤ Great video!! AND....thank you for getting to the point right off! A lot of videos there's unrelated jabber for 10 minutes prior to the actual point. Really...... awesome video!
@caroltaucher68047 жыл бұрын
Great information and thank you so much for taking the trouble to share with the rest of us. I have quite a few instructional books on watercolour and most of them just gloss over this subject completely. Was thinking of investing in an expensive Keba paper stretcher, but now think I will just switch to 300 lb paper and save myself a lot of hassle AND be flexible with what size paper I want to paint on. Fantastic advice delivered in a fun way!
@jaxketpocket71476 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this Steve! A wealth of knowledge in a short and sweet video! I didn’t need to watch 15 videos and try to fish through it all and make sense out of them to then decide which was the best option for my preferences! This makes it very clear to me I will continue to not use stretching unless I will be doing a painting in which my watercolour touches the edges.
@marjoriejohnson65357 ай бұрын
Ps..your limp test was a game changer for me. Aand i found out that different weight papers take different times in the water. Since i have smaller sinks now but still have my commercial oven suzed cookie pans thats what i used for soaking.
@beedee44274 жыл бұрын
Most comprehensive post on the subject. It's a lot clearer to me now and feel more confident going forward. Thank you 👍🏻
@GeorgeDeep10 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video! I avoid stretching at all costs myself. I find that with a hefty stack of heavy books I can flatten all my finished paintings perfectly once completed. I've only tried this on 140 lb paper and up so I'm not sure how well it would work on lighter papers though. - George
@mindofwatercolor10 жыл бұрын
Yes, its possible to flatten a painting after it dries. Doesn't prevent the valleys when you're painting unfortunately. All your washes will run into them. Can be very aggravating. For 90lb., stretching is essential. The buckling is much worse. Thanks for watching George!
@mollypbfitz6 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this. Why professional watercolourists think that just putting a bit water down with tape is good enough is surprising given what you have said. I have watched a dozen videos and as usual yours is the most informative. I didn't know how long to leave the paper (Arches 140) and now I know. Staples make good sense. I'm still not at the point where I want to spend the money on 300 lb paper, but perhaps later. Thanks for the tips. As usual I should have gone to "The Mind" first.
@nancydavidson4899 Жыл бұрын
I must say I use the soaking and gummed tape method and I haven’t had problem as yet. I make sure that I have half of the width of the tape on the paper. Great tip about holding the paper up to see if it bends. I never thought about that 😊
@mindofwatercolor Жыл бұрын
I’ve had both success and failure. Paper tapes differ greatly in quality though and will even stretch a bit too. I also had a roll go bad over time. The gum just got weak I guess. Not sure. Staples just add insurance. Some artists don’t even bother with the tape.
@jinxmas7 жыл бұрын
I wish I could support your page Steve. You very well deserve it. I am NOT one of the 1% lol. But always striving. Starting watercolor late in the game of life isn't easy, but I am not quitting. You have helped me so much and I'm sure thousands more. Thank you for this informative vid, yet again!
@mindofwatercolor7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
@FreeSpokenOne7 жыл бұрын
Same Joy, not giving this up, although I'd bet there would be a lot more people doing watercolor if they didn't need to stretch this paper! It's the thing that always set me back in getting started.
@Nottherebutthere4 жыл бұрын
OMG thank you x3. I am experienced artist. Always avoided watercolor because this is so tedious, plus have to mat and frame.....so expensive. Now want to do more with watercolor...looking for simplifying recommendations. Very helpful, thanks.
@jopetersen542 Жыл бұрын
When I started WC painting I was taught to staple. It us very effective. It works very well unless I am going to fliat a painting instead of matting the painting.
@nsquezada273 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video! Thank you for all this. As a beginner this really helped a lot
@stacyjens82567 жыл бұрын
I am surprised you didn’t mention ironing your paintings. There are lots of videos on this. I love it! It lets the artist just dive in.
@mindofwatercolor7 жыл бұрын
Well preventing buckling after the painting is done is not really the purpose here. Stretching is done to prevent buckling while you are painting and keeping the paint from pooling in the valleys. 🙂
@stacyjens82567 жыл бұрын
Sorry .. your video mentions how to just start painting without pre-stretching and that you don’t like to.. so I thought I’d mention it. Mine doesn’t buckle while I am painting. If I were let it dry, it does bow. But just ironing it.. it’s gone. I use heavy paper too.
@mindofwatercolor7 жыл бұрын
Sure, seems like a great way to smooth out a buckled painting! I usually just press mine under books. Some people even wet the back and press. I don't like to stretch because of the extra time it takes, but most people stretch to avoid the peaks and valleys that occur while they paint. Really can mess up a nice smooth wash if it buckles a lot. Bigger sheets with very wet washes are usually the problem. Thanks for the input Stacy!
@anniejmoran6 жыл бұрын
I too find the buckling more of a problem for my finished pieces, not so much while painting. Never thought of ironing them. Any special tips? Do you use steam or dry iron? What setting do you put the iron on?
@stacyjens82566 жыл бұрын
anniejmoran kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHKtfY1undd9ldE There are more videos than just the link I just posted for you. Just search KZbin keywords “ironing watercolor paper” .. that’s how I learned.
@ocearlyriser6 жыл бұрын
I use 140 and hate stretching. I find the gummed tape very difficult to remove and often leaves glue on painting. I use a light box so 300 # is not for me. I will try the staples. On another note, if I end up with a warped finished painting, I carefully protect the back with a flat bed sheet and iron out any ripples and get a flat piece ready for framing. Going to look into the otto stretcher. Most of my paintings are 11 x 15 (1/4 sheet). THANKS. Love your videos as always.
@wendytaylor37145 жыл бұрын
Love your videos and tutorials. Many thanks.
@ElaineFoster1013 жыл бұрын
I LOVE your Q and A after every point. It drives the point home and if my mind wandered, I still learn the lessons you are teaching. Brilliant teaching method. Appreciate your videos. Will subscribe now.
@opportunity2speak5 жыл бұрын
You have validated my findings as being true and correct. Hearing that from a pro boosts my confidence. Thank you.
@suzybain20114 жыл бұрын
I appreciated everything about this video - thank you!! I really appreciated the link to the other video - I had found a very similar tutorial on Dragonfly Spirit Studio (you tube channel) but wasn't sure I if I should try that or something like the auto-stretcher. I decided to try the video way of stretching before investing in one of the other items and WOW! Is it ever awesome and easy-peasy. The paper stretches as tight as a drum and is really bonkers good to paint on. While I rarely stretch, if I do that is the method I love. One slight difference from the video you posted is that I don't feel like I need to use the 1.5", heavy duty bars - I have had perfect luck with the standard "medium duty" 1" bars. Granted, I take the painting off the bars and then frame or mount it otherwise. I think if you are leaving the painting on the stretcher frame, though, the wider frame would be more attractive. Regardless, hugely helpful.
@OkieSketcher19493 жыл бұрын
I’ve recently gone back into doing watercolors and I am using 140 lb, cold press. Years ago I was taught to use gummed/masking tape and a Masonite board. No staples. One taped the paper to the board, soaked everything for about ten minutes, wiped off the excess water with a clean sponge, and let it dry overnight in a horizontal position. Normally, that works, but not always. I just tried it again and the tape failed in several places. The paper looks like a shalom course of hills and valleys. I do not like the paper tape because it tends to permanently stick to the watercolor paper. One cannot staple if one is using a Masonite board. Therefore, it is off to the lumber yard to get some pine boards I can cut to fit my papers (A4 normally). Thanks for the video. I learned a better way to stretch my paper.
@artzology9 жыл бұрын
I am a beginner to watercolor and never even thought of stretching the paper! The Arches Block paper, I thought was my answer however before buying paper for watercolor painting, I have been searching for more information. I think you have answered my questions! I can't afford stretchers. I have been using 140 lb cold press arches paper for mixed media journals and probably don't use as much water as I will when I start to do watercolor paintings. I am so happy to have found your channel and am a new subscriber. Thank you! ~ Deb
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
artzology Thanks Deb! Welcome aboard.
@freedomjunkie78434 жыл бұрын
Me at start : Yeah, I know how to stretch paper... A bit later : Staples & tape??!!! Later still : Ooh, that stretcher looks like a better way to- Later : Oh, another one! I'm going to get me a- At the end : What? Sod stretching, I'm off to go get some 300lb paper! Cheers for the vid. :)
@watercolorsofmidnight63733 жыл бұрын
Yes me too the exact steps in the same order! 🤣
@bethpowlison3357 жыл бұрын
Super helpful! I've recently discovered the wonder of art boards myself
@apwhoa77676 жыл бұрын
Ohhh and thank you for the other information. Until today, did not know I need to stretch paper at all. I see people taping the edges and was struggling just trying to find out what kind of tape to use...
@comette4u5 жыл бұрын
Thank You Steve for helping me sort this out! I took a hiatus from watercolor and recalled wetting tape and applying it to wet paper. I found a recent hint to add diluted white glue to the tape. Result: Ripped edges on my "masterpiece"! 8-( Ugh! I need to try a new method and I think you've saved me some steps!
@edzejandehaan92654 жыл бұрын
You can imagine I looked strangely at your topictitel when you know that the abbreviation "WC paper" in my country of birth is used for Water Closet paper...🤗 (But clicked and watched because of my interest in watercolor).
@mindofwatercolor4 жыл бұрын
oops! 😄
@BeezeeCohen8 жыл бұрын
As a beginner I truly appreciate your tutorials. I have learned so much! Re stretching paper: I am painting primarily miniatures and find using Arches perfectly fine without stretching. If my paper buckles a bit, I simply let it dry thoroughly then sandwich it between an acid free mat board and non-glare glass. Press down or weight down overnight. The piece is flat in a few hours. Perhaps when I am more confident & skilled I will attempt painting on larger sheets of paper that requires stretching. Thanks for sharing! Your watercolor tips are brilliant!
@mindofwatercolor8 жыл бұрын
+B Cohen Very similar to how i approach it. I usually don't consider stretching unless the painting is 12 x 16 or larger, and then only if using very sizable wet washes. Thanks for watching!
@MoneoAtreides776 жыл бұрын
Best watercolour paper-stretching video ever :)
@hermionejarvis6488 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic Answer & Question video! This helped me with many questions about why I should or shouldn't bother stretching paper, I just bought my first Arches Block of Hot Pressed paper and I was nervous about using it, but now not so much. I'm going to try and find one of those boards to stretch my paper with staples, I figure if I'm spending all this money on Watercolor painting, than I want to do things the right way as best as possible so my work will be as good as I can make it, while I continue to learn and grow my skills! Thank-you very much for a wonderful video, I find the way you teach to be the best, all your hard work is so appreciated! Take care and Blessed Be!
@mindofwatercolor8 жыл бұрын
Very kind thanks. So glad this was help!
@kathisaks49415 жыл бұрын
Great information. Thank you! Was wondering what I am doing wrong. Can I go back and re-wet and stretch my Arches 140 lb paper?
@FosteringFurBabies9 жыл бұрын
I want to thank you so much for this invaluable video. I am no longer puzzled! I am gradually wading through all your video’s, as I am a new to watercolour. In a very sort time, I have seen a fair improvement in my watercolour efforts and its all down to your sharing fine knowledge.. You make your lessons fun, informative, and achievable. I am at last enjoying painting!
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
+Lynn Thorburn Great to hear, glad it was a help!
@utube19282 жыл бұрын
Loved the presentation - hits all the high points with long experienced opinion of pros and cons of the various methods. Nice to be able to get information from someone that has lived in the business. One I have been seeing is using gator board as the board to staple the paper on. Good wood boards are hard to come by - if you had some you recommend maybe a link?
@mindofwatercolor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This one from Amazon isn't bad. I like the metal edge in case you want to use a T-square. They are foam cored covered with thin plywood so they are light. amzn.to/3ds0fmN
@jilliancrawford75773 жыл бұрын
Does the temperature of the water make a difference? Would warm, cool or lukewarm water harm or protect the sizing? And would something like bulldog clips work in place of staples?
@mindofwatercolor3 жыл бұрын
I've never used anything but cold. Clips might introduce gaps and result in uneven stretching.
@kan-zee9 жыл бұрын
these are fantastic tips...my art teacher, doesn't even mention half of the knowledge you present in your video...thank you so much. Cheers ;-)
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
Kanzee Thanks!
@mikeboyce88449 жыл бұрын
I just started following your channel recently. I appreciate your style and humour. I was interested in the stretching methods and followed up on the Otto system. I had a great conversation with the inventor's wife about his art and how it came about. Very nice lady. Great information on all the formats and methods. thks Mike
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
+Mike Boyce Cool! The Ottos system is pretty nice.
@mindofwatercolor10 жыл бұрын
@Adam You got a great buy on the Neptunes for sure! When it comes to points you can get a poor point on any brush or brand no matter how expensive. I try, when possible, to test points in the store. Black velvets usually hold a really good point but they are no different than any other brush in terms of some individual brushes being better than others. I've seen some in the rack that weren't very good. Over all either line are excellent, its just down to what you prefer and how they perform for you.
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
@ jae - Still undecided. I have a new stretcher also (not in this video). The Boga Board stretcher. I still have yet to test it. I am thinking about doing a video just on commercial stretchers comparing the three.
@Jackalope20499 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the quick reply I think that would make a great video I couldn't find video review on paper stretchers on youtube looking forward to it
@ArielleLavecchia10 жыл бұрын
I avoid stretching entirely, because my paintings aren't done the same way as most people's common idea of watercolouring. I do tape (masking tape) my paper down to a smooth nonporous surface. I find the 140lbs/300gsm papers to be sturdy enough not to buckle even when I saturate it with water after having taped down the paper. Hot-pressed paper is smoother and is good for detailed works but isn't as forgiving as the cold-pressed or NOT paper. Taping down the paper allows the paper to warp and buckle, but not much... and when the water dries... the taped paper is actually quite straight. (I'm actually very pleased with this solution to buckling and warping that I do recommend it for people to give it a try and see how they like it...) You probably should find the masking tape from an art store; because although usable, the "any store" kind of masking tape is stickier and if you don't remove some of the extra stickiness (by gently letting the piece of tape stick to your shirt or pants to remove some of the adhesive), you might end up tearing your paper when you remove it from the painting
@mindofwatercolor10 жыл бұрын
Arielle Lavecchia Hmm, interesting. What brand do you use? Arches 140lb. buckles for me anytime I use giant saturating washes, fastened down or not. That said, stretching is not a necessity for painting. It all depends on your painting style and the paper and your tolerance for buckles. Some artists just won't tolerate the least little buckle because they prefer a dead flat surface.
@ArielleLavecchia10 жыл бұрын
Steve Mitchell Design My absolute favourite is Canson's Moulin du Roy 140lbs/300gsm (100%cotton) cold-pressed paper for most of my works, I can do really nice wash backgrounds and they dry flat with just the taping down, without stretching. And (more affordable) there's Daler Rowney's Aquafine 140lbs/300gsm (100% cellulose) Hot-pressed is really nice and smooth (- it is less forgiving so you can't scrub much), the Cold pressed is textured to look almost a Rough.
@mindofwatercolor10 жыл бұрын
Arielle Lavecchia Well I have some Moulin du Roy 140 lb. and use it on occasion and trust me, it will buckle. It creates a nice big hill right where its wettest. Taping it down first makes no difference. My guess is you just don't get it wet enough, so you don't have to worry about it. Good for you. You've found what works for your style and thats what matters. Granted 140 lb. isn't as aggravating as 90 lb. Many Artists can get by without stretching 140. Just depends on how you paint.
@patriciah32356 жыл бұрын
Arielle Lavecchia Aha! A solution to the tape tearing the paper. Thanks Arielle.
@annewatman6774 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video. I know I watched it before, but I still haven’t gone out and purchased 300 lb paper. Instead I’ve been using 140 lb blocks. They’re pretty good for a lot of things, but definitely not a wash, especially wet in wet. I was checking prices at Dick Blick, and wondered if 300 was good enough or did I really need 400? You answered my question. I’m not sure, but I think I can still tear the 300 lb paper, but pretty sure I’d have to cut the 400 (and it’s even more expensive).
@annpartin10 жыл бұрын
Most concise explanation about WC stretching I have heard. Thanks! Very practical information for those of use who have never done it before. :)
@Kaurene655 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Robert DeNero of artist! Ha! I recently discovered watercolor board and I'm in love.
@bryanpoulsen89697 жыл бұрын
Great video. Definitely the best one on stretching I've seen. Probably worth noting that even 140 lb paper won't buckle much unless you are doing a fairly full wash across large portions of the paper. So for some compositions, you don't need to stretch or use very heavy paper.
@mindofwatercolor7 жыл бұрын
Very true! Thanks.
@ckdesign4298 жыл бұрын
I love the process of stretching paper with gum tape, sad to find out not many people do. :| I never use staples either. If I have issues where the gum tap has little warps in it where it didn't stick, I use a knife to cut away the bits that didn't stick and put on a new strip of tape if it seams like the paper might buckle when I start working on it. Maybe I lucked out and got some good rolls of gum tape.
@haylsizbeth59747 жыл бұрын
ckdesign what kind of board do you use? I got Masonite board that’s pretty thick and it STILL buckles. Should I just use glass? This is so annoying.
@nancypahl77556 жыл бұрын
@@haylsizbeth5974 I use a 3/4" thick sheet of plywood. Masonite it too thin and, as you say, it buckles.
@shereeglasson222 жыл бұрын
Like your tips and delivery,thank you !
@bucinto6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!! Ive been havin trouble with my paper! Wish I had seen this vídeo sooner! Thanks for the awesome tips and kindness!
@ennar084 жыл бұрын
I've been water coloring for over 30 years, usually using 300g (140lb) rough or CP, and have been through the "stretch" and "no stretch" phases several times. Lately, I've only able to buy a thin gummed paper tape and my stretch efforts have been a bit hit and miss, often with the paper tape parting contact here and there with my water color paper. My usual process was to wet out my target paper, drain of excess, lay on the backing board, wet the gum side of my paper tape and then apply. I have concluded that applying wet gummed tape to already wet water color paper dilutes the gum too much, so my current, and what appears to be a more successful approach is to lay the wet paper on my board, dampen the board at the side I'm working on and apply the dry gummed tape directly to the wet paper and the wet board, then smooth down if necessary applying a little water to the back of the tape, then repeat on the 3 other sides. So far I've had good success and recommend that you give it a try before succumbing to the stapling theory..
@mindofwatercolor4 жыл бұрын
Stapling is pretty common with watercolorists who stretch nowadays. Only sure fire way, in my opinion. Thats not to say paper tape alone can't work but depending sometimes even on the brand of paper tape, the paper may pull free or not. I know stapling works and its a reasonably quick fail safe. I just allow enough extra edge to the paper to cut it free. I don't stretch paper unless its at least a half sheet in size. Smaller sizes aren't really necessary. Again in my opinion.
@leighalexandra78993 ай бұрын
Can you stretch watercolor paper with a traced sketch, or do you stretch first, remove staples, and put the paper on a light board for tracing? Thanks for answering questions about stretching. It was very helpful.
@Mscak108 жыл бұрын
in my watercolor class the most annoying part was the stretching... i like to sit down and get to work... this helps alot... thanks for the video and i just subscribed... cheryl
@mindofwatercolor8 жыл бұрын
+cheryl blue Thanks and welcome! Agreed, lets just get to painting.
@richiejourney18407 жыл бұрын
cheryl blue ...sometimes...we need to “sit down and get to work” prepping a bunch of canvases in order “to sit down and get to work” on the actual painting. Sometimes I stretch and sometimes I do not. I hardly ever even get straight to work on pre-gessoed canvas for my oils & acrylic’s preferring to further develop them before the painting starts. A paper canvas that will not lay flat is very annoying to me but that’s me.
@CammeronBarndenZicarus9 жыл бұрын
Very informative for a beginner like myself, i didn't know about stretching until today as my mum informed me. So glad i came across your videos.
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
👍 welcome!
@owingsart9 жыл бұрын
The Mind of Watercolor Hi Steve - You unraveled a mystery for me with this. Thank you. I use the heavier paper or arches board so I never stretch. That said I do a LOT of field sketching and use Stillman & Birn sketchbooks which hold up well, however I should say that I'm not soaking it with wash after wash.
@thefrugalcrafter8 жыл бұрын
that auto stretcher=mind blown!
@starkneked8 жыл бұрын
The Otto paper stretcher works great! I don't always use mine, but when I do, it never fails. It's easy to use.
@Tassycrafty8 жыл бұрын
thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Omg Lindsay- I just finished watching your video then I ended up here:)
@evelynbarney8217 жыл бұрын
me too!
@suecd6496 жыл бұрын
thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich w
@sabineleppanenart30146 жыл бұрын
Tassycrafty me, too!
@2692paty3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, I just started out watercoloring as a hobby, and suddenly I felt very overwhelmed with all the supplies and techniques and everything... I think I need to take it slow, since I don't want to lose my drive to actually do it :(
@LABYRINTHHILL9 жыл бұрын
This was great fun! Now I don't feel so inadequate when I don't stretch. I had already saved the canvas stretcher idea to try just because I was intrigued. Keep up the good work. So delighted I found new and refreshing guidance for my watercolor education. Yep, I'm just starting this journey.
@mindofwatercolor9 жыл бұрын
***** Thanks. Welcome to the journey! Glad to have you aboard!
@andreamto3 жыл бұрын
Very good channel this yours! .... congratulations .. I have seen your videos a lot. I'm resuming the watercolor
@julievalenzuela55006 жыл бұрын
Great info. I have been using Arches paper and works great for me, but I always stretch my 140 lb with staples. hard work but works great. So block paper is not stretch good to know.thanks
@TraciRancier10 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this info. I was under the impression that blocked paper was stretched. I was considering buying that, but instead will try the heavier paper or watercolor board. Thanks!!
@mindofwatercolor10 жыл бұрын
Traci Rancier Excellent, glad I saved you the block cost. I love blocks but they aren't great for very wet painting. Thanks for watching.
@terencemolloy18278 жыл бұрын
Someone who speaks my language! Stapling ruins your board and tape can be a bummer to remove. Just tried stretching 2 pieces of Moulin Du Roy and it was a total flop. Ended up fixing it to my commercial paper stretcher. Nothing really prevents cockling so I just use the thicker paper. Using Strathmore 638g NOT at the moment. Good video.
@mindofwatercolor8 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@valentinabeltran91598 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, i'm a beginner in the world of watercolor, and your videos are getting very useful to me. Thanks!!!
@mindofwatercolor8 жыл бұрын
👍
@katyafransheskahernandezsi65195 жыл бұрын
Your methods are the only ones that have truly worked for me. Unfortunately where I live art supply stores don't carry 300 lbs paper anymore. I guess people didn't understand why it was more expensive or what the use was, so it was probably not a very popular choice. :(