"STRONG" FEMALE CHARACTERS IN MEDIA.. 🙄 || Master Samwise React

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[@chillwill2918]

What pissed me off about She-Hulk saying that she was good at controlling the Hulk side of her because she was a woman is the fact that in the comics it's explained that she's so good at controlling her Hulk side for 3 really good and understandable reasons. 1: The blood transplant was from Bruce instead of The Hulk so it wasn't filled as much gamma as it would've been if he was Hulk. 2: her hulk side isn't a split personality made by her mental issues from childhood trauma like Bruce's Hulk side is. And 3: She's a lawyer abd therefore has to control her rage a lot, especially towards despicable people. Any of these reasons would be a way better and more understandable reason than just because she's a woman.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

Wokeism has destroyed a perfectly good character just to hate on Men. 😢

[@vergillives9890]

Plus she actually had bruces help as well and that strong connection also helped her maintain control while assisting him sometimes

[@chillwill2918]

@@gabrielkawa3477 I forgot about that because I try my best to forget everything about that series.

[@chriskoloski32]

Also its very very stupid for her to say she's better at handling her rage than someone who literally watched his father kill his mother, was ostracized and hunted by the military, and also was attacked by his crazed father who wanted him dead

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

But that has nothing to do with being a woman and the Hulk writers wanted She Hulk's power to come from the fact she is a woman.

[@acrab6527]

"A man mansplaining my area of expertise to me" That is literally how the law works. It is you and the other guy explaining how the other party is wrong and doesn't understand the law. THAT'S THE ENTIRE FIELD

[@aredjayc2858]

The writers said they didn't know how court stuff worked, so it checks out

[@faultypillars9697]

Exactly, practicing law is literally going "uhm actually" better than the other lawyer.

[@lucasljs1545]

Haven't you heard that after 2020 questioning something that should be questioned makes you a "denier" "obscurantist"? Get in line, no authority shall ever be questioned.

[@vergillives9890]

Well he defended his client that's the problem

[@devonm042690]

@@Kladyos Doesn't she tell Bruce how in control of her emotions she is with a raised voice and an aggressive tone of voice/body language?

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

Keep in mind, She Hulk is telling that to a man who has spent years being hunted by the government to have his freedom stripped away and made a wepon, people constantly trying to create ways to kill him, can't live a normal life, is astranged from his family, and the only woman who actually cared for him died saving the world.

[@zombiewafle]

Bruce Banner watched his father beat his mother to death because he was an abusive alcoholic and thus why he became such a meek and mild man. HOWEVER: Jen can't get a date as a 30yr old and that's SO MUCH WORSE yo

[@OTheDetective]

Bruce wanted to kill himself

[@TheAnonyomusGuy]

@@OTheDetective oh, I forgot about that. That's another for the list

[@AndragonLea]

@@zombiewafle You don't understand, men she didn't find attractive cat-called her on the streets. That's, like, way worse PTSD than being hunted like an animal by the most powerful nation on the planet for years. Some dudes that had more experience in her field didn't preface their advice with 15 pages of affirmations and "you go girls", which counts as assault.

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

​@@zombiewafle I thought his dad stabbed his mom... Or was that only in Ang Lee's Hulk movie?

[@Papa-Corn]

Moral of the story is don't give spiteful, talentless hacks real franchises to use for their own personal Mary Sue fanfics and misguided activism.

[@krazykorean2525]

that is not a moral and everytime someone uses the term mary sue incorrectly i swear brain cells of the user just die off.

[@creeperizak8971]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[@Darth_Conans]

"What? Keep doing that more?" - Hollywood

[@Mr._Anderpson]

I think part of it is writers write what they know. They write guys as scumbags because they're writers in LA and most of the guys they'll run into are also slimy LA media types. They need to get out of LA and off the internet to realize most guys aren't Weinsteins or the guys on podcasts like Fresh & Fit or Whatever.

[@misantrope6267]

"put a diverse woman in it and make her lame and gay!" :D

[@NyarlathotepCrawlingChaos]

“Reptilians wrote this shit.” Nah, that’s an insult to reptilians.

[@nerfer200]

Only a reptilioid would say this

[@Gamer_Lizard_68]

Yeah we did nothing wrong 😢

[@nerfer200]

Thank you KZbin for deleting my comment "That's exactly what a reptilioid would say"

[@pippasstrongestsoldier8903]

​@Gamer_Lizard_68 October 17th 2016....I remember what your kind did

[@ericbright1742]

Your reptile brain acts on instinct. Your reptile brain knows when something is not acting like a human.

[@ultraman5168]

The whole 'moderately attractive lawyer can't date' angle was really just the creatives telling on themselves for being walking red flags.

[@rayanderson5797]

Yeah I was gonna say, maybe it's not that she's 30. Maybe it's her personality.

[@Szaruta_Rawr]

@@rayanderson5797 The guy that said 'maybe because she's 30' needs to STFU. Not only is it super disrespectful to women over 30 (and women in general), but also shows their immaturity and naivety about dating (and probably the world as a whole).

[@danieln6700]

Her getting no matches or likes on apps is like the most unrealistic part lmao

[@StevenZephyc]

Yeah, i tried it too, after months of getting no matches i registered a new account with an average womans picture and received 30 matches in one hour.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

@@danieln6700Yeah, that's time for a call to tech support, because something is clearly wrong on the technical side if a woman isn't getting *any* hits.

[@cloud8813]

Man, remember when Bruce after being hunted down like a dog all over the world gave up and tried to commit suicide only for The Hulk to spit it out? Man clawed his way out of that crap, helping people, curing diseases in third world countries only for his cousin to just speedrun all those movies where he's been shat on

[@DrakeOola]

Yeah but like the hulk has never experienced the true suffering of having to be catcalled on the daily...

[@whiterosesalchemist]

Being admired by people you don't care about is such a struggle, I'm sure.

[@Virjunior01]

No. Jen never had Bruce's clearance or clout, nor aspirations. They are different characters. Also, she got her transformation literally after 10 years of MCU happened. And ultimately, her "Hulk" isn't about repressed rage at the state of humanity... it's about personal insecurity AND THAT'S IT. That's why the story is so small. I'm sad this post got so many upvotes while completely failing to understand the differences between the Hulks... and that's a subtext here. Jen is not Bruce, they never were each other, and they never faced similar challenges for similar reasons. Jen's Hulk is completely unnecessary to saving dimensions and shit... that's Bruce's story. How are you people so goddamned SLOW?

[@DrakeOola]

@@Virjunior01 Cope harder

[@xdomeman]

​@@Virjunior01because she acts like she's better than him, and she's not

[@niravathu7353]

I think one of the most frustrating parts is that the writers of these characters can't find a way to make a female character who is "strong" or "good" without surrounding them with male characters that are "weak" or "bad." It's like they never got over the "girls rule, boys drool" phase of kindergarten. They are incapable of making a woman virtuous without dragging men through the dirt.

[@jormungandrouroboros4571]

Makes you think when a protagonist's only way to shine is to literally be surrounded by the dumbest and most useless characters, cause if there was even a single character on the same level as the protagonist, they'd have to at least share the spotlight, which can't happen of course

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Then remember most of them follow an explicitly matriarchical religion, whose cultural institutions are founded on immasculation ceremonies that begin right at birth with male IGM. Suddenly, their whole philosophy makes a lot more sense, as does their hatred for regular people.

[@DaShikuXI]

The sad thing is that it goes against what they're trying to achieve. They're telling the world that women can only shine when the men are not, which is saying outright that men are superior to women.

[@dreymak4071]

Imagine how insulting that comes across, "you can only be strong and intelligent when everyone else around you is weak and stupid." Hollywood is saying the quiet part out loud there...

[@wanabid98]

same reason why writing a genius character is hard because writers are not that smart, they couldn't writes characters with great virtues because they themselves are not virtue

[@boodstain]

The problem is a lot of modern writers think being “strong” is being more masculine while also belittling the achievements of others to raise up your own character. Eowyn is a good example of a strong female done right. She isn’t boastful, but possesses great skill. She does challenge the idea that a woman should not go to war, but she doesn’t do it to stick it to men, but rather because she feels it is right/her duty to fight.

[@Virjunior01]

_Apothecary Diaries_

[@WallNutBreaker524]

"String"? I think you mean Strong.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

​@@Virjunior01Frieren.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

​@@Virjunior01Saga of Tanya the Evil.

[@Virjunior01]

@@WallNutBreaker524 both, but Frieren is still pretty hands-off. I'd say that's more just fantasy characters though done well. Apothecary Diaries though is a period piece, and deals with events reflective of actual earth history. Maomao has no magic. She has a curious mind with self-preservation and something like an Asperger's esque need to prove herself right, and it deals with others. Meanwhile, Frieren is damned near a bored minor god. Both shows make up my top two of last year, but Maomao is more compelling as far as relatability for most people. Me? I relate more to Frieren, as even with limited time, most things don't matter to or interest me at all, and so I have missed much.

[@ShadiC636]

They’re good when done right, but most of the time they’re not. Nothing but poor reflections of directors’/artists’ power fantasies and insecurities.

[@KeiosKod]

“Good when done right” is literally everything in story writing. Nothing is intrinsically of such high value that its mere inclusion can raise the quality of a work. The fact is, when you start of writing something while preoccupied with an idea that has no relation to the story, you’re pretty much going astray all on your own.

[@topfranluis1]

Hunger Games

[@Lampoluke]

​@@KeiosKod some stuff just stinks like having main character being the chosen one who is destined to rule. Those things literally only work when subverted

[@midgetydeath]

Eh, they’re okayish when done right. Still pretty cringe.

[@Phrscv]

@@KeiosKod True, but some things are inherently easier or harder to pull off properly. For example, Mary Sue characters. You CAN have flawless characters and still tell a compelling story, you just have to work around it somehow. You can make the character a mentor who is uninvolved in most things, or maybe make the story a comedy, so the stakes aren’t ruined by your character’s perfection. But most of the time, it’s utter garbage. Doesn’t work in most genres, and even then it’s iffy. There’s obviously the opposite too, using different subversion techniques that have been proven to work and make sense in your story has a good chance to make your story more interesting. But it always depends, true.

[@dodowhisperer2114]

i remember reading a quote online that i think relates well to the writing for "Strong Female Characters" "Schrodinger's Feminism: A woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered, until something happens. Then she chooses which state benefits her the most."

[@notaprinny]

On the "women deal with more shit than men": literally earlier in that episode she almost killed some guys for hitting on her. I forget the exact context, but iirc she was about to throw something at them? And then she says she's in control of her anger... which means that she didn't try to kill those guys because she was angry, she tried to kill them because she wanted to murder them.

[@crosscutking4973]

She should have killed them, then Bruce can go like " yeah you don't know what the fuck you're doing get the hell here fuckin listen" and then maybe she could be a character instead of a 1 by 1 woman are great flag

[@LeXofLeviafan]

I mean, she was turning green _right in the process_ of claiming to have great self-control… you can't get more ironic than that 😅

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

In my expierience virtually every claim of workplace sexism against women is actually them being treated equally to every other employ and not being used to it, they being women are used to always being treated more nicely and thus when treated as men they think this has to be sexism.

[@notaprinny]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 Which is why in some cases you'll see a woman actually dress to look like a man and pass, and then instantly realize "wtf, this is terrible"

[@doylethompson1510]

Its hilarious that in my off time, I can read fanfiction that's better written than most hollywood stuff nowadays and mean it unironically.

[@vahlak6554]

I will legitimately read any of the dozens of 'the akatsuki are kittens' fanfics before I would go watch any modern disney swill.

[@BlooMonkiMan]

brutal

[@luckyshot2252]

​@@vahlak6554 I just witnessed a murder

[@BallisticAero]

we're at a point now where a lot of anime have actually started to become more well written and acted works of entertainment than the garbage hollywood is trying to inject into society

[@christerjakobsen8107]

Anime always had masterpieces. Ever heard of Ghost In The Shell? Cowboy Bebop? Legend Of The Galactic Heroes? And those are just the ones I remembered off the top of my head. More recent ones are stuff like Violet Evergarden, Frieren, Vinland Saga, and so on.

[@chrislaurent1137]

3:45-3:50 It’s also funny how She-Hulk is saying Bruce can’t control his anger when she can’t control her anger in the argument…in front of someone that controlled his anger

[@man3son1]

It could have been a great moment if they showed her transform into She-hulk without her realising.

[@liv.H5174]

Wait that a good point!

[@insulttothehumanrace3807]

That scene would have been better if, after She-Hulk destroyed the bar, Bruce just stood over her, folded his arms, and said "Perfectly in control, huh?"

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Yea if Bruce couldnt control his anger the Hulk would beat her up.

[@movespammerguyteam7colors]

Meanwhile the Hulk experienced abuse by his father as a child, later witnesses said father kill his mother, got exposed to a massive amount of radiation that should have killed him from a bomb he made for the government, yeah I can see a possibility of someone having anger management between the government almost killing him and the past traumas. The worst part is this is Bruce’s cousin basically taking a knife to his vulnerabilities, congratulations you have continued the cycle of abuse this man has already experienced.

[@vahlak6554]

Not even getting into everything _after_ he became the Hulk, there. Keep in mind where Widow finds him. The middle of nowhere, in a little village in some rainforest, hounded by the military, utterly miserable and jaded, haunted by the actions of the Hulk when he loses control. The man shoved a gun in his mouth, in an attempt to die before the Hulk could take over again. And Hulk _spit out the bullet._

[@theshamurai32]

That's the sticking point for me, really. You can do this, "I'm a woman who's been pushed around my whole life" bit if you give it context, but here there is zero context to compare it to anything close to Bruce's past. It's like watching some emo teen tell a war vet, "You don't know what pain is like," and undermines the whole point. If they really wanted to do this (and I can't stress enough that soapboxing to the audience is bad form in general, so they really shouldn't have) it should've been to a character that actually doesn't have to struggle for their powers, someone like Adam Warlock that was just created with his power and has never known being truly powerless in a world much larger than you. I still think it would be eyerollingly cheesy, but at least then Jennifer would have had a shred of a point, and not just be slandering Bruce's traumas that she doesn't know the first damned thing about.

[@knightghaleon]

And yet, she claims her life is harder and has more crap in it hahahaha

[@LeXofLeviafan]

​@@knightghaleon Bu-but some random guy said that she's attractive, don't you see?! She's having it so much worse in life! [/sarcasm]

[@victorhernandez5013]

Fun Fact: Most people that worked on modern MCU crap never read the comics or were told not to

[@Darth_Conans]

I seem to recall that when the old X-Men movies were being made, it was actually mildly surprising and controversial that Bryan Singer told his cast to NOT read any comics before filming. Now the industry treats it like it's not only normal but good to be completely ignorant of source material, and so we get stuff like the Witcher TV show because of it.

[@victorhernandez5013]

@@Darth_Conans Yeah but at least some of people that worked on those movies at least knew or loved the X-Men but in modern MCU and some modern media they don't know nor care about them and want to put their politics in it

[@ZanathKariashi]

@@Darth_Conans That's also why Castlevania goes downhill during Season 2+, as Adi Sankar was a fan of the series but after he left Ellis, who happily admits he didn't read anything about the series, made a lot of his writing decisions once he had full writing control to spite Adi, who kept trying to pull him back to keep the characters acting closer to how they were personality wise in the games/lore. I.e. Hector gets completely shit on compared to his game version because he was Adi's favorite character.

[@95onimusha]

Castlevania seems really good to me, i consider the show it's own separate thing and timeline ​@@ZanathKariashi

[@christianlenik5307]

Or called the Readers "Nerds", "Losers", "Fools"...

[@starburst98]

Even superman, the posterboy for "all powerful god hero" has relatable and human moments in the old shows.

[@luckyshot2252]

Like how he's afraid because everything and everyone on earth is as fragile to him as a single tissue is to us he understands that he screws up and has a single twitch unaccounted for and a lot of things he held near and dear are simply gone

[@YAH93]

Yeah. And to add the cherry on top, look at Saitama aka One Punch Man. Even though he destroys everything and everyone with a single blow (except Boros), he has a lot of personality to him.

[@NameIsDoc]

One of my favorite moments of superman was in the new Lois and Clark show (meh show but fun moments). A kid compliments superman's costume and he says with a doofy smile "Thanks my mom made it for me"

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

My waifu is the godess Purple Heart, queen of the literal utopia Planeptune, and shes funny, and flirtatious, and enjoys sweets especially pudding, and is clever, likes to play videogames. Writing a good character is not hard for good people, its very hard for bad people.

[@TheTdroid]

While I am not a huge Superman fan myself, there is also another point about Superman that a lot of these "strong female characters" miss; having villains and antagonists that are actually a threat. Superman has to match brawn with the likes of Doom and Darkseid, while he has to trade wits with the likes of Lex Luthor.

[@Turianz_]

The Peter Pan one is like "women can be stupid and die on a stroller too" lol

[@arakemi1080]

The hulk inside Jen is so scared of her that he obeys her every command otherwise he will suffer for eternity under her Karenism.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

This needs to be top comment. 😂

[@robinthrush9672]

You made me think of the Old Man Logan timeline. I am now trying not to throw up at the implication.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

the sad part is that in the comics hulk felt horrible for turning his cousin into a monster and she assured him that she was fine because she didn't need to go through the same pain he did, it was mutual respect

[@NameIsDoc]

In the comics at least for like 20-30 years undergoing a hulk transformation results in your repressed emotions/personality aspects to come to the surface. For Bruce his fear and rage at the world for his childhood trauma (green hulk) as well as his repressed greed and lusts (Mr fixit) and even his own hate for his intellectual works (devil hulk) all were major issues he repressed into his mind that we're brought forth with his abilities. On the flip side Jen was a massive introvert and a wallflower. Paralyzed in all aspects of her life from fear and embarrassment. prior to the she hulk transformation she was content with living alone never taking risks never having friends and never progressing in her career. When her repressed self was expressed via her transformation she was confident, outgoing and brave. She starts her own legal firm, goes out and has dates and makes friends and helps heroes with super heroics and legal issues. While intitally she couldn't transform back into her normal form she eventually was so satisfied with herself that she could transform freely. It's a crime they didn't do that kind of story that's the empowerment story that hits everyone

[@forgotultag1543]

​@@NameIsDoc I don't even watch super hero movies, and I feel sad the world is robbed of a good movie with genuinely good MC.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

"I can conctrol my anger because I do it infinitely more than you" -she-hulk said, calmly.

[@AofCastle]

I mean, 30 is at least double the age of what Hollywood suits like for their partners

[@luckyshot2252]

Excuse me you seem to have "strawberry jam" on your knife

[@Lord_Numpty]

Triple to sextuple.

[@dsmianblanchard3422]

*ba dum tss*

[@5ilver42]

This guy makes a great point: "You are not enough," is a fantastic story message, "but you can still do great things."

[@LocalMaple]

That is literally Riley’s lesson in Inside Out 2.

[@nef36]

"I think I can control my anger more than you because I get catcalled!" _She says during a temper tantrum at a guy who was abused during his childhood and treated like a monster for most of his adult life, who is currently just sagely letting her rant at him_

[@trstmeimadctr]

You know what medium has a lot of strong female characters who act like actual humans? Manga and anime. 'Strong female character' doesn't mean literal strength, which Hollywood doesn't seem to understand. It means, now get this, STRENGTH OF CHARACTER.

[@vedymin1]

I'd say that depends...i hate tsunderes and all those 304's that will punch a guy or immediately assume hes a perv becouse of random circumstance. Its as if we are made to think that they think themselves a god's gift to the universe...none of you are hot enough shit for any man to waste time on, don't assume anyone would waste time trying to perv on ya x)

[@YTDariuS-my6dg]

I mean even besides that there are also literally, physically strong girls in anime and manga and the fans LOVE them. What's important is that they're just written well. A snarky asshole can still work but only if the authors actually know what they're doing. But RoP and the like doesn't even KNOW that Galadriel is a snarky asshole. They think she's a fucking saint.

[@chidung3326]

@@Kareszkoma Yeah, but those are mostly prominent in shounen, where the target audience are young boys, that's a good way to appeal to that type of audience, and the authors often times admit they are ass at writing women lmao, at least they don't sit on their high horses and pretend they are creating something empowering with their trash characters.

[@vergillives9890]

​@@chidung3326you just give the girls something awesome while having them be useful

[@chidung3326]

@@Kareszkoma There can be many reasons, anime isn't a genre, it's an entire medium, so there're bad, and there're good, just like with every medium. There are a lot of bad male character as well, in those garbage isekai anime, the males are just as badly written as the females.

[@johngray7117]

Guy in the chat saying Spider-Man 1 is campy as if its a bad thing. That's why we love it.

[@allpapiodin]

Part of what the guy didn't understand with the LotR character's being "not enough" wasn't that they weren't enough, but that Sauron had placed all the threats of the realm under his ever watchful gaze, corrupted the powerful of them to his will. The point of the Hobbits being the heroes of the story is that they were seen as such a none threat to Sauron's power that he did not take any precautions against them and thus was not prepared for something he deemed too small and too unthreatening to actually become the greatest threat to his power. To him, if they even tried, they would simply be swooped up by his minions and his ring returned. Even the Hobbits were not enough by themselves without the men, dwarves, and elves to assist and aid them. All the men, dwarves. and elves could stand against the might of his army and could eventually push to his doorstep, as it had happened before, but none would ever be able to resist his corrupting powers of influence thus repeating the cycle. Only something as unsuspecting as a Hobbit could do that and thus raising them from the none threat they were seen to becoming the very threat that dismantles him.

[@Rhodair]

Fully agree. Plus, the corrupting influence of the Ring makes it nearly impossible for anyone to willingly part with it (and likely 100% impossible for anyone to willingly destroy it), so Sauron just literally never suspected the possibility. The closest we got to someone willingly leaving it was Bilbo, who got bullied and logic'd into it, knew it wasn't the last time he'd see it (passing it down to Frodo), and _certainly_ wouldn't of been capable of destroying it. How was Sauron to guess someone would somehow sneak it 99.999% of the way there, and it get accidented out of existence?

[@木原篤郎-b4m]

​@@Rhodair adding to that, the entire last battle at RotK was aimed at misleading Sauron with a more believable lie: that they had the Ring and would try to use it as a weapon. Their entire plan and only hope was that Sauron would only realise what was going on when it was too late. Pair that with the possibility of resisting the Ring for that long (or at all) not even crossing his mind for how improbable it was... Man, just writing this makes me think: just how often do writers even bother anymore to have such a solid justification for things such as a villain's arrogance? And even then, only Mount Doom was unguarded, mostly because his forces were all assembled against Aragorn.

[@corvistein9016]

@@木原篤郎-b4m It can be rare as not many writers go to that Tolkien length of justification but even without going as ham as he does all it really needs to be done believably is have your villain act consistently and work have explanations for why a thing happens. Audiences can be pretty accepting as long as your don't break the verisimilitude by having the villian have an out of character action. It's not that hard to due the basics when you don't need to due much worldbuilding (like with something like GOT or LoTR) a lot of writers here though don't redraft or get there scrpit ran through with a fine comb to iron out glaring plot holes cause no has the balls to go against there genius "creative vision" when in a lot of the best stuff they always had someone who new when to rein them in or let them go nuts.

[@strawkittycat]

I feel like the reason why the 'pity the bullied' type story bits seem so forced and not relatable is because they are written mostly by ex-bullies. I highly doubt many of those who were actually bullied would just toss that into a story/script they are working on, UNLESS it's the main plot point and usually then it's given time and is written well.

[@dontassociate]

Yeah shows like mushoku tensei did a good job at portraying the trauma cause by harsh bullying none of these people understand why they bullied the person so they just make up asinine reasons to make them unlikeable instead of showing their self insert being a pos

[@YTDariuS-my6dg]

Galadriel is literally not a bullying victim, like c'mon, her first instinct is "I will run into a group of half a dozen other kids and beat them all up" and the show portrays it like she was ABOUT TO MANAGE IT?? Bullied kids shit their pants when just the bully shows up, much less the entire posse. I should know, I went through that shit. And sure, I fought back too, but it took nearly two years (at that point in time that would have been a fifth of my life) of constant bullying not just from the kid and his lackeys, but the teacher as well, and I only blew up because the teacher made a show of "making" the bully apologize to me when one time she couldn't hide what he did. So as he sat in front of my desk, when he told me "I won't do it again", knowing full well he wasn't just gonna stop after two years, due to sheer anxiety, fear and anger, I deadass threw the desk at him. It fell on his pinky toe and the little shit convinced the doctor to put his entire leg in a cast. It kept me safe enough for the rest of that year to transfer to another class for the next one. But even then, the anxiety from actually fighting back was god-awful, and I caught SO much shit from everyone. A bullied kid doesn't just immediately resort to fisticuffs. Rings of Power is a fuckin joke...

[@thegreatgonzales6813]

A Silent Voice has the best portrayal of a bully in any piece of media

[@Virjunior01]

Wrong. Plenty stories are written by the bullied. No basis in fact, dude.

[@Virjunior01]

​​@@thegreatgonzales6813I don't think so. It might be anecdotal, but I don't believe so. One of my first friends in Nursery school was a kid wearing arm braces. I'm 41 now, and I will always remember his face and name (Evan). I liked that movie, but it's tainted by obvious shit... Japanese and Korean media aimed at youth are like 80% LEANING ON insufferable bullying to a degree no real teachers, adults or peers would allow, and it's filled in with tropey assumptions (poor writing). Yes, kids can be and are awful, including me. But it will NOT be about a serious disability like hearing or visual impairment. The girl my class teased 30+ years ago was overdeveloped at a young age, growing to 5'10" with incredibly hairy legs long before any of us were ever taught what puberty is. That's still wrong, but that's what teachers are FOR. Even so, we all understand when someone is in a wheelchair, they have trouble walking or can't at all. If blind, they cannot see. If deaf, they cannot hear. There are degrees at play which Japan and Korea don't seem to fucking get.

[@gluttonyfang6674]

In terms of life lessons Female hero back then: Be brave. Be smart. Be good to others. Be humble. Be respectful. Under impossible odds, there's always a way to win. Female hero now: Be yourself.

[@denkerbosu3551]

The men SHE wants either wouldn't want a 30 years old lawyer from the start, or would not want to deal with her after the 1st date. That's why she "gets the creeps"

[@joeschmoe2843]

She has shit tastes.

[@sjmcc13]

That and most of them are not on the dating apps.

[@kanelandes3485]

Shitting On the Hulk is actually so insane when you consider that both on screen in the mcu and In the comics he’s one of the only Characters to Genuinely attempt suicide just for his power to stop him.

[@chronodis]

The only other I can think of is deadpool

[@freedantheeternal]

As someone with a bit of writing experience myself, and reading plenty of literary stories from real authors over my childhood and young adult life, one of the consistent issues with modern Hollywood writing is that they seem to think that character progression and character development are the same thing. Typically character progression refers to the character gaining new tools, skills, abilities, whatever the story needs, to become more capable. Character development, however, refers to the character growing as a person, learning about themselves or the world, learning from their mistakes, changing their perspective or even personality, aka, growing up. The "me versus the world" attitude of the "strong female lead" trope inevitably sets out to claim the character was always right about everything in the first place. They never actually learn anything, only confirm that everyone else was wrong about them, and that's why it is inevitably unrelatable. The character will progress in power, but never develop as a person. They fact they always tend to be angry and unlikable people also doesn't help the matter. It's supposed to appeal to the female audience, according to Hollywood, but literally every decent woman I know would rather watch Chris Hemsworth as Thor just sitting around with his shirt off than Brie Larson as Captain Marvel being a jerk to everyone she meets.

[@Indurok]

I wasn't really sure what the difference was between character development and character progression. I mean, it makes sense now, after reading your definition, but still, thanks for shedding some light on that.

[@durandus676]

There’s a Ghibli female character analysis video about what they do different and right to make compelling female leads.

[@leocarnage1116]

Because Studio Ghibli are goats of making likeable male and female characters

[@Hunfleder]

As for your comment of disliking the trope of giving a bullied background to a character to force sympathy... I totally agree with you. I was severely bullied in primary school, and this trope just infuriates me. As an adult I had a chance to talk with my main bully. His home life sucked quite badly. I forgave him after a long, deep talk, but the whole thing still scarred my for life and led me to also develop some serious issues which I'm still struggling with as an adult. Just using it as a cheap plot device is really degrading. Sorry for venting, but it just had to come out.

[@DenKonZenith]

Rings of Power was exceptionally egregious; Lord of the Rings has a single underlying theme that those who seek power are destroyed by it, while those who love are protected by power. Galadriel in Rings of Power intentionally and permanently did the exact inverse, constantly. That, and the Silmarillion said she built an empire without ever picking up a sword. So much for actual lore.

[@jakeforgey5378]

The Dev's apparently told the writer of the script NOT to read the Silmarillion, but instead reinterpret the 'failing old lore'... apparently thinking that plagarism into movie isn't able to be sued forinventive property theft... I hope Tolkien's family Breaks that studio...

[@arkking552]

@@jakeforgey5378they told them to WHAT

[@jakeforgey5378]

@@arkking552 not read the Silmarillion and just reinterpret ONLY the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit... pretty much they didn't want it to be canon and also wanted to bend canon to their whims with the Silmarillion as "irrelevant" alongside anything that wasn't in LoTR and the Hobbit's books...

[@tecnicstudios]

Literally all they had to do was show the elves working together to take out the trolls and then Galadriel taking out one by herself to show how skilled she was. But no everyone had to be incompetent except her.

[@privateName419]

For she hulks's case....lets imagine for a second she isn't talking to the audience. She is talking to the hulk: * His ead was abusive * PTSD of watching his mum get strangled in front of him * The military chasing him all through his adult years * The Hulk killed his best friend But yeah I guess getting cat-called is far worse

[@jakeforgey5378]

That would have actually been a perfect setup for the old style of Hulk/Big Green emerging = Bomb going off, with She-Hulk now having to deal with a Pissed Off Hulk rampaging, trying to Calm down Hulk AND deal with her issues potentially while Hulk gives her a 'short and weak' version of most of his life...

[@Zolwiol]

Literally my favourite EASILY TOP5 story of all time is a 'secret' gacha game from HoYoVerse called "Honkai Impact 3rd" All playable characters are women but the story is written so universally anyone trying it will identify with the characters because they struggle and actually fail. Most "modern series" forget that heros need to fail to become even remotly relatable

[@thinkingsoutherner9911]

See, the thing is that you understand what genuine character progression and development is. You understand that heroes need to struggle in order to be good characters. Hollywood execs are grossly out of touch with ordinary people and with good storytelling

[@NameIsDoc]

I'd argue that it's more the fault of the writers. They are not trying to tell a story they are trying to get likes on Twitter. They don't understand the heroes journey or why it works they just want to get to the dopamine hit at the end rather then realizing that it's the buildup that causes those hits in the first place.

[@jimberjamber8540]

"I got low. I didn't see any way out so I put a bullet in my mouth and the other guy spat it out." -Bruce Banner Yeah She Hulk definitely has it worse than Hulk lol.

[@adrianaslund8605]

Alien was an example of a good female lead.

[@matthewmatthew981]

Couldn't agree more. Back when they wrote AROUND the differences between men and women with mutual respect for whatever fit the story best, instead of whatever this is.

[@AppleBaron]

Alien is an over 40 years old movie, would be strange to include it as an example of good modern writing of a female character.

[@matthewmatthew981]

@@AppleBaron But he didn't.

[@Voxrar]

One of the reasons that the majority of new stuff has been bad is because the writers themselves think these kinds of stories are actual struggles. Either because they have never studied or seen actual good writing, or they have never experienced real hardships in their own lives and only have their own mild experiences to pull from.

[@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ь]

I can throw another reason. Recently people really focus too much on being dismissive or belittling someone's else personal experience The way Jen tells Bruce that she is more cool and actually struggled a lot too... To tell that to Bruce... It's an attempt like "all jobs are equally important" (Which is false), "all struggles are equally important" Women seemed to not like that their struggles, even majority of times being really insignificant - being dismissed, because there men out there, setting high standard of struggle for them with their own struggles. But excuse me, when you place Hulk near sheHulk, I would care even less about her catcalling and stuff Men that aren't born capable of dealing with men's life - oof themselves and being forgotten Women, that have even less of chance to born capable of dealing with their women life - instead of oofing themselves, chose to take everyone around as emotional hostages, since they have privilege of being protected gender. Question would be, would you really equalize the struggle of a strong man or woman, dealing with real hardships with a struggles of a pathetic man/woman, who fears his own shadow, making his/hers life harder themselves. Hollywood tries to equalize that

[@emblemblade9245]

@@ЕвгенийПершин-е1ьI don’t like it when people use bad, unrealistic writing as an excuse to validate their bad, unrealistic prejudices. Quit living in a bubble

[@ninjatango]

@@emblemblade9245You’re the one in a bubble with no life experience. You’ll grow out of it.

[@Volthoom]

1:46 to quote a black man, "Ma Rey Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue" :D. Meh. Rey could've been salvaged with some proper direction. But that entire trilogy didn't know where the fuck it was going for the entirety of its existence, and that naturally took its toll.

[@thesosoartist4458]

Apparently it did, JJ Abrams gave notes to the next director, he pretty much said no and ended alot of the threads he was given, the Abrams just undid everything he did. I like this one video's idea on how to make a sequel trilogy, the prequels had the good guys on top, the OG Trilogy the bad guys, the sequel Trilogy could've had the forced to work together to stop the annihilation of the Galaxy so they could continue to fight over it afterwards. (Apparently they used some evil group from the og Extended Universe)

[@Volthoom]

@@thesosoartist4458 That is kinda what i mean. Rian threw out everything JJ had going on, and then left basically nothing for JJ to work with in the third movie, so we got "Somehow, Palpatine returned" as a result. Problem is, both world-building and characters were already getting molested in TFA, so i'm frankly not sure if JJ's ideas would've made the 2nd/3rd movie better or worse :D.

[@jpjfrey5673]

*Somehow, Palpatine retur-*

[@thesosoartist4458]

​@@jpjfrey5673 I find it funny if you press the translate to English button it adds the n

[@Turianz_]

My favourite black man

[@CrunchRosey]

When she-hulk was explaining her pathetic first world problems to a man who has literally killed himself because of the curse the Hulk represents to him.

[@CrunchRosey]

@jacksragingbileduct4455 I changed the wording, youre right

[@STGAoe]

“Men aren’t picky” This is true. The vast majority of guys legit will date anyone as long as they vibe well with them ESPECIALLY the more you get older and experience life more. You get over the whole “i want a 10/10 model ahahahah” phase and you’re just more into a “whoever I feel like I mesh well with” state of being Granted some dudes never get past the first point but majorities of guys legit just wanna be loved by SOMEONE as corny and sappy as it may sound lol so they just care more about the whole connection part

[@wrestlerwannabe]

You know what I miss? When they treated The Hulk like a bomb. Way back in Avengers 1, every scene Banner was in, there was a visible tension between the characters. Everyone knew to tread insanely carefully, including the audience. Even Banner was nervous. The only person who would purposefully try to piss him off was Stark. But that’s because he’s a scientist, and wanted to know what’s the point of no return. And from a writing perspective, whenever you saw Big Green on screen, you knew it was serious. I believe that the audience should only ever have 2 reactions when they see The Hulk, either “Oh no…” or “Hell yeah!” Again, Avengers 1 did that brilliantly in 2 scenes. When he’s wrecking shop in the Helicarrier, and when the aliens attack NYC. Movie told the audience, this is what happens when the bomb goes off, and we’re glad he’s on our side. Post IW Professor Hulk is really kind of…meh? I can’t respect the character at all. Because he’s green all the time, there’s no tension between him and Banner. He’s more of a firecracker than a bomb, if that makes any sense. I want the bomb back. I want to be excited, in either way, when I see Big Green.

[@JayTohab]

Absolutely real OP, fully agree

[@kagemunehiraishi]

If you think post IW hulk is meh, i suppose you can wait further character development or movie, where either new hulk can be introduce to gives those feeling like red hulk etc, or something happen to banner himself, which makes hulk return to being a bomb. IW Hulk is meh but he got reasons for being meh. His character development. We all miss the past, but there is always something waiting in the future.

[@emblemblade9245]

Big Greeeeen! I’ve got a bitch of an itch on my left asscheek!

[@CommentPositionInformer]

​@@kagemunehiraishi Character regression would be a better term. Specially considering this entire "heart to heart and understanding" session that they had, which is probably the single most pivotal event in Bruce's entire character... Happened entirely off-screen.

[@redrum86]

Yeah, I was so disappointed with how they nerfed the Hulk in Infinity War and Endgame.

[@dylangreen192]

Here's an actually good recent female protagonist: Frieren

[@danieln6700]

Going to watch that soon. Keep hearing how good it is.

[@Insomnolant1335]

It's so damn boring. Nothing happens in it. It's just worse Spice and Wolf.

[@pforgottonsoul]

i can't watch that show it's so boring.

[@christerjakobsen8107]

To those saying Frieren is boring: you are probably not mentally mature enough to appreciate slow burn shows that ask you to think.

[@Insomnolant1335]

@@christerjakobsen8107 Ah yes, the moron is here to cope.

[@matthewbeddall7182]

20:00 about seizing the power already within you, in the anime 86 one of the characters is confronted on things they said and did/didn't do as a kid, that they internalized and grew up to make them feel like anything they did wouldn't change anything. As this person continued after the confrontation, the charachter started feeling differently on their actions in life, and it changed their whole approach to life. That's seizing a power already within her that works well. A lot of these concepts can be good with good writing.

[@BaeBunni]

The problem is how so many writers don't understand how to make characters relatable. For god sakes, tons of writers have made Superman relatable. He is basically an immortal alien god who can do anything and he is more relatable to audiences than a lot of these "strong female leads."

[@Alex-tc8uj]

Watching this made me remember about a movie called Edge of Tomorrow. Two female characters in it. Best in any movie I've seen so far. One woman with maximum 30 lines of dialogue, 3 of which include "A cup of shut the hell up", and the other being the supporting main character and still being a bigger badass than the main character. Gloriously amazing writing that I haven't seen replicated yet.

[@ZayecValentine]

Ahsoka Tano is a great example of a well written character. Not just female character. She was young, cocky, reckless. And she learns how to become more patients and a skilled Jedi but still have flaws.

[@Insomnolant1335]

And she was a good friend.

[@arkking552]

Good lord I can’t stand young Ahsoka

[@LoremasterYnTaris]

@@arkking552 And that's the beauty of her character, I'd say; she started off as a smug little twerp, and wound up growing and maturing throughout the course of the Clone Wars show to become a skilled, wise and cunning warrior. That, frankly, is the kind of character growth that I live for.

[@arkking552]

@@LoremasterYnTarisoh I know. I like her character growth as well

[@furlosifurfox5794]

This is why "The Hero's Journey" is a cross cultural, cross historic formula. When writing strays from that to such extremes they are just asking for failure...

[@TakiGamesOfficial]

Mainstream writers totally just bypass the heroes journey for female characters. It gives the opposite effect that they think women are too weak and they feel bad, so they just let them have the power from the get-go and call it empowerment. Ironically hypersexualized gacha games like Honkai Impact and Nikke have some of the BEST female character arcs I’ve ever seen in any form of media. They go through the struggles and the depresso espresso and grow as characters.

[@emblemblade9245]

Yeah, everywhere I look on the internet it’s “female sexualization first” so I can’t blame some females for finding those games kind of unapproachable, but damn if the writing and characters aren’t great.

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

The "Might get literally murdered" line in She Hulk is especially cringe since if you've seen actual homicide statistics, its mostly a male issue. They also lowkey made Galadriel weaker in Rings Of Power by making her a warrior rather than being a magic user with abilities nearly on par with the Ishtari(Wizards).

[@Saduckieowo]

About the Hulk stuff, it's even worse for people who are fans of him in the Comics because of how unbelievably broken and traumatized he is, dude is the physical embodiment of fictional personality disorder including *literal marvels Satan* inside of his head and he was abused heavily as a child by his father

[@SwedetasticGames]

Ripley's "mother vs mother" fight with the Alien Queen in that cargo mechsuit in Aliens is peak. That entire fight and relatability of it to any parent, or someone striving to become a parent or has younger nephews/nieces/siblings, it hits to your god damned core.

[@yamiangelous]

Don't forget how the latest disney 'princess' from the movie Wish bombed so hard that people related and liked the villian far more then the heroine.

[@sailaway30]

Disney has not put out anything good for a while. Any general Hollywood barely put out anything worthwhile nowadays if you want great entertainment, you gotta go out, swear stuff like from Korea, India, or Japan, put out much better entertainment for your time and money

[@ShadiC636]

Which is why manga and anime communities must be more inquisitive than ever to send a strong message and not let the same thing happen to their beloved franchises as what happened to the western comic and animation industry.

[@sailaway30]

Yep, 100% agree with you on that one. We need to get heat people out and send a very strong message to the people of Japan in the manga and anime industry. Keep things the way they are.

[@joesapiens2871]

Remember Batgirl? "The suit is literal perfection." "It will be, when it fits a woman." 🙄🙄🙄

[@blazinglightgt8673]

That's Batwoman.

[@starkilr101]

Can’t forget about Alita. She was great. Side note: Sonce when was “seizing power” considered a good thing? Especially considering that these “strong female characters” of the modern era act a lot like villains.

[@NK-ns1bp]

I don't watch Vtubers, but your intro is very hypnotizing. I don't know why. I just keep watching your video again and again.

[@Nioclas64]

The problem with backstories where the MC was bullied is that the writer very clearly was never bullied and likely went to a private school where their idea of bullying in public school is super warped and cringe, the best bullying I have ever seen in a story was in Worm by WIldbow, and it was so painful to read because it rips open long closed wounds, the author was clearly bullied in school because the bullying in his story was way too perfect.

[@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive]

The bullying in WORM was pathetic. She never even got beat up. The sole exception of her trigger event - ugh, disgusting, way to just make "triggered" a thing... - was the only real strong bullying.

[@oscarlove4394]

@@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive well, girls bullying is usually less physical. and iirc she actually did get beat up? she got shoved around, tripped and pushed down stairs and such. Sure she was probably never jumped outside the school gate but she definitely got bullied bad. Also, worm was written back in 2013, the term 'triggered' as we understand it now didn't get into popular use until around 2016 according to google trends.

[@Airsickword]

​@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive bullying doesn't need to be physical. Some people can cause just as much damage with just words.

[@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive]

@@Airsickword Nice way to argue something I never said. I said her bullying was pathetic. Not that words can't harm. I said she never even got beat up as an *_example._* I never once said it was some immutable law.

[@JamesJNothingIsTooSensitive]

@@oscarlove4394 I'd still not call that "bad" bullying. That's bare minimum. As for you assumptions about "triggered" that isn't what I meant in the slightest. But beyond that... it wasn't POPULAR until 2016. It was being used by people in certain circles for YEARS before that. But again... not what I meant anyway.

[@Ichthyodactyl]

I still remember when Captain Marvel was coming out and the shills started pre-emptively dunking on Alita to try, in vain, to prop up Marvel instead. Alita was great, not perfect, but great and despite this, we probably won't see the well-deserved sequel, at least in part due to the mass collusion of review sites panning it in favor of Marvel for reasons that had nothing to do with the quality of the movies.

[@zephyrerazortail5478]

The only issue I had with Alita was that they did the first three stories all at once, basically. It resulted in a pacing issue.

[@Some_Idiot_on_the_Internet]

The suggestion that women are better at handling their emotions is laughable.

[@en4833]

The Star Wars sequel trilogy gets worse when you realise that The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi happen in the span of about a week. She went from thinking the Jedi were a myth to being able to use the Force better than Yoda in a week. In that week, she had exactly three "training sessions." The first "training session" was Luke touching her hand with grass and then running away from her when she used the Force. The second "training session" was her swinging her lightsaber at some random rock by herself. The third "training" session was her confronting her inner demons in the cave. That's it. That's all the training she got.

[@YaBoiTheGrimReaper]

2:44 And she said that to BRUCE FREAKIN BANNER - the guy who was hunted down by every government on earth either to be killed or studied in making weapons/super soldiers, had to cut all ties to those he loved to prevent the risk of them getting hurt by him or those after him, had to literally fight an inner battle within himself 24/7 in controlling his emotions cause if he lost then lives would potentially be on the line, even got to such a low point where he tried to "remove himself from the equation of life", and lost both the love of his life (Black Widow) and the mean he considered his best friend and equal in Endgame. And then theres the fact of the reason why Hulk came into being in the first place, that being the suppressed emotions of childhood trauma he suffererd. Bro had an abusive father that would beat him and his mother, and witnessed his father kill his mother before his very eyes. Yeah naw Jen, you haven't dealt with shit compared to what Banner's been through - bro has looked into the inferno time and time again, only to see himself staring back In other words, she's probably able to better control it because she doesn't have unresolved trauma like Banner did when Hulk first came to be - trauma that would give sentience to a superpower that is fueled by rage and anger

[@leradmuiel7634]

RIP to the bros who had She-Hulk comics. That AllyMc-Hulk show did you guys dirty.

[@oron61]

Bravery is being scared but saddling up anyways. The bravest female character in cinema is definitely Mrs. Brisby from the Secret of NIMH. She spends half of every scene running straight into danger, fully aware of it, and practically shitting herself, in her quest to save her son. In a hysterical effort to save her children, she was more than willing to drown in mud with them.

[@reddragon2943]

The tomato people don't know what is good. they get paid to say Oh yes this is good I like it. OMG, I LOVED The Kate Bishop Hawkeye Show it was so funny. She was so good at being a klutz but still having awesome skills. Loved when she tried to save HawkEye and they had her tied to the rocket and Him to a Pony. I was dead.

[@iech0526]

It’s refreshing to hear a sane woman’s perspective on these things. Earned my subscription!

[@adventofknowledge]

The main problem is that the writers are incapable of writing a 'strong female character' that doesn't do the following; - Doesn't try to be a man without being a man. - Doesn't outright or subtly dunk on men. - Doesn't base the entire story around superficially appearing better than men. - Doesn't embrace feminine qualities. - Doesn't make it about political messaging. The supreme irony of feminism, is that their original goal was female empowerment which resulted in them thinking female empowerment is to make women masculine, and demonise anything with feminine traits by calling it sexist and part of patriarchal conditioning. "Feminism". They literally engage in the definition of insanity as well, they full and well know that its not attractive for the majority of men & boys whom are the dominant audience and still some how keep doing it expecting men & boys to like it. Going even further than the attraction, is the shallow writing which makes it easy to hate because its never about the story or character, its just about one upping men or dumping on them. In the end, all of this shit is just envious and jaded Misandry. Hatred of men.

[@markjacobs3232]

Been going on for awhile, glad the majority is starting to figure these kinds of people out...maybe...

[@Szaruta_Rawr]

The origins of feminism was based on equality, not empowerment. It was started due to the lack of women's rights (to vote, to work etc) in the 19th Century, not to defer them from 'being feminine'. That's half the issue, Hollywood still doesn't know how to write an accurate feminist character without turning it into a 'look at me, I'm better than a man' trope. The message sometimes resonates with women's individual experiences, so it's not exactly wrong, but when they word it in such a rushed, shallow way it can be more damaging.

[@seifer447]

​@@Szaruta_Rawr I agree with you here. Its not that women being equal is bad or that women can't generally handle the same jobs men can. It's that pro-female writing is written as anti-male writing worryingly often. And then male viewers can be led to think that all feminists think they are idiots or evil.

[@adventofknowledge]

@@Szaruta_Rawr This is actually incorrect to some extent. The reason the women's rights movement began was not because of equality but because in the industrial revolution era, men were pushed to throw away moral values (due to the era in the west, this was whats called 'christian moral values'), the employers who were the primary source of education for the male workforce, ceased to teach specific moral values and allowed for deviance, this lead to gambling, going to brothels, heavily drinking and more amongst the work force, including drug use like opium. Over time because men were effectively debauching instead of taking care of their wives and the family, women began to question if men were caring for their interests anymore and rightly so due to the lack of education and moral direction of men during the era. Women believed they weren't which in the working class at the very least they were not, which was made worse by the brothels which naturally put a strain on marriages and families as a whole due to relationship tension and worse. This can be corroborated by the documented discussions and thoughts of women at the time, though this is not what we are told as the 'mainstream' information available was only provided by established women as they often got preference over the non-established (typically wives or sisters/mothers of politicians or CEOs) through memoirs, books etc. Which is why you stated equality as the primary reason. It didn't help that the same employers owned most of the pubs/clubs, gambling shops, brothels, drug dens as well, which is why they began to reduce what they taught men and boys in the factories and other industrial sectors, so they could profit off of it. From this the feminist movement was born, the message was equality which you correctly stated but it was empowerment which was the reason for its beginning. So that they could have a say because men were no longer taking care of them, but in order to do that they had to be empowered starting with the right to vote. But over time, it became envy and jealousy which is why we have what we have today. There were still quite a substantial amount of women against the rights movement because many actually argued it would distract from the family and thus society as women back then did care about the state of things, but they were not the ones with influence at the time so we often get a very biased view of this particular part of history. It is unfortunate that the message to women these days is effectively the opposite of the equality message and seems to rather be about replacement and dominance instead. Which can be summarised as "power". Ironically, this empowerment lead to the sexual revolution, which now today the "radical" feminists as they are called argue that it has in fact damaged women as a whole and was in fact a male rights movement. Of course this is debatable, yet they are right in that it did benefit men but only a small segment particularly, the top 1%-10%. I agree with the latter half of what you said , however the problem with writing that in at all is that it will ultimately always be placed on men as a whole rather than the individual men that caused those negative experiences because its easier to think that the whole group is bad rather than the few. As they never seem to portray surrounding male characters as anything but dirt or weak, so it isn't entirely just how they write the female lead character.

[@Szaruta_Rawr]

@@adventofknowledge I mean if we want to go into the semantics of it, feminism is an ideology that goes back as far as Plato, but from what you're saying 'empowerment' and 'equality' mean the same thing. My point was you stated that feminism now is about women being masculine and feminine traits being sexist - that's radical feminism, an ideology often confused for actual feminism. Feminism has always been about women's rights being equal to men's and the right to choose, including what their femininity looks like. Today's 4th wave feminism promotes body positivity (among other things), which could definitely been seen as self-empowerment. But this is what Hollywood keeps getting wrong with their 'strong female lead' characters which was the main point I was trying to make.

[@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme]

In She Hulks first appearance in the comics, she actually couldn't control the transformation and was on a rampage. But forget learning how to maintain ones mental facilities and being able to control your transformation, she's just automatically good at it. Cause we just have to speed run the 40 years of character development from the comics into this new show for the MCU.

[@gabealmo9725]

The hulk had it hard because everyone was hunting his ass, cut ties with everyone and he was alone before he joined the avengers

[@Charsept]

I feel like katara, toph and azula are better written than anything Disney has done in 5 years.

[@TheTdroid]

To be fair, most of the characters in ALTA are well written aross the board and not just when comparing to Disney's late works.

[@tirdkat6104]

We used to be able to write decent women in the west. Ripley from Aliens is a good example.

[@doom2ruler]

😂😂😂 OMG!! That outro! What the hell was that?! And the video was spot on. My complaint about the Disney era Star Wars movies was that none of the characters were likeable and that Rey, who was supposed to be on the hero's journey, was just magically given everything because "Plot Armor!™" I've been a SW fan since I was a young one and that felt like a HUGE slap.

[@vexedmirage4678]

Fun tidbit: in TFA, Finn is actually the character with the hero's journey.

[@ndr2q]

Still adore my strong female Piss-fox, with soft fluffy fox ears ❤

[@ven173]

"I'm a victim but I have superpowers is the ultimate in bad writing" Holy hell, Alana predicted Dustborn!

[@eXpriest]

There was nothing implied about the darkness of the original Peter pan, Peter literally murdered lost boys who got too old.

[@alexandergreene461]

8:42 30 is a pretty big wall, a lot of women reporting noticing that they’ve suddenly become invisible, others claim no one will speak to them. They’re being ridiculous, of course. Jen or whatever probably had hundreds or thousands of people swiping to meet her, but she was probably so self important she only swiped back on 2 of them, hence two matches. You gotta realize on dating apps women are the ones that price themselves out of happiness due to all of the available choices.

[@Juhno]

I haven't really watched anything that "Hollywood" has to offer us in years. Stranger Things season 4 was an exception...and it's been a year and a half already.. And I must watch Edge of Tomorrow again. That movie was good. Especially because I didn't know anything (just the way I like to watch movies) about it when I watched it. Was surprised.

[@Krendall2]

For the record on She-Hulk, here's how it went in the comics. Jen was a very determined attorney, but was very shy and reserved in her personal life, which is why she was single. Instead of a car accident, Jen was shot in a drive-by because she was prosecuting a mob boss. Bruce happened to be visiting at the time. Realizing she had lost blood too quickly and wouldn't survive to the hospital, he did a quick blood transfusion. Initially, Jen had the same problems Bruce did, the She-Hulk emerged when she was angry. The big difference from Bruce's Hulk was She-Hulk was smarter and both Jen and She-Hulk shared some memories, but not all. Through various comic stuff, Jen eventually is able to control her transformations, and decides she likes being She-Hulk more, because she feels she can be more proactive and she's more confident.

[@ltmuffler3482]

This issue with female writing is the issue I generally take with all the solo leveling style anime where a character becomes immensely powerful and becomes, essentially, the only meaningful defense against an overwhelming force and all the side characters are just plucky worshiping comedic or romantic springboards off which the mc is showcased. Even when the character DOES earn their power like in solo leveling, the disproportionately one-sided relationships with all the supporting - and ultimately irrelevant - cast kills the mc's development and always loses my interest.

[@Spectrum0122]

To your point about bullies, media in general always portray bullies are overt assholes when it's always so unrealistic

[@skybox4080]

If I were tasked with writing a female character for a show or movie, I would be binge watching everything made by Hayao Miyazaki for inspiration. Hollywood clearly doesn't do this.

[@BlueShellshock]

Ironically, animated Mulan did more to "fight the patriarchy" than live action -- she joined the army to save her father, under the knowledge that she could be executed if she was discovered, and the reveal that she was a woman was a much bigger deal. Live action Mulan was just a Mary Sue with so much power she could say "hey, I'm a woman, what are you going to do about it!?"

[@asaiyannamedgokublack]

She Hulk: I can control my anger because of this(immediately pulls out a blunt). Hulk: shiiiiit let me hit that.

[@TECHN01200]

Master Samwise is one of my favourite creators. Legit, if you haven't already, his avatar content is amazing, especially the episodes on Zuko, masculinity and femininity.

[@FaizalKuntz]

Who wanna bet, the one who make bad Female protagonist is probably the person who make Mary Sue-ish protagonist some probably read on Tumblr when you were younger, now they grow up and become modern writers. That's the only conclusion I had since all of them reminded me so much of them.

[@morseapple556]

One of the tropes you will find regularly in tv sitcoms is the husband, while he is able to provide for his family, is regularly portrayed as some level of idiot and the wife is the brains of the operation. Home Improvement with Tim Allen is a prime example of this but is such a pernicious trope that again most sitcoms alot of us grew up with used it and engrained it into us.

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

The best female character I've ever seen in media is Adrian from the Rocky movies, her character growth is amazing, but she never becomes bitter or spiteful towards those who mistreat her such as her brother Paulie

[@Marveryn]

keep in mind when luke was first introduce he was a constant failure. He bot beat up by the sand people. he got push around at the bar. While he did good thing too in the film once he started to use the force he was not perfect either. As he got maul by a snow creature and then he crash land in finding yoda. He fail to save his friends (lando is who save leia and the chewbacca) and plus he lost his arm. So as a character he never had it easy, even with his superpower.

[@InternetMouse]

Smuglana is what a true strong female character looks like. Love everything you do here lana. Wishing you a great day here ♥ 🐀

[@dhunter1133]

A lot of folks forget that Alita: Battle Angel was released at about the same time as Capt Marvel. Yet despite also having a strong female lead - who also happened to be a Latina woman - all the media shills had to say was that Capt Marvel was the "correct" movie to go see, while Alita was the movie for toxic basement incels. And why? Because her motivations were not only to fight injustice and understand her place in the world, but also out of love and the desire to protect those in her life, including her adoptive father and a boy she had a massive crush on. To the activist Twitterati, that was unforgiveable, so they denounced the movie.

[@BMG_Giving]

A great example of a great female lead main character= Underworld.

[@keinen.0824]

Kate beckinsale or whatever her last name is right?

[@imjustvi6279]

I'm new here so I'd like to say I was surprised by the legendary FLOOFINESS of that tail Amazing. 10/10 tail.

[@haruhidaso]

These writing actually reminds me of the Overpowered Isekai anime. It’s just self insert.

[@Furydragonstormer]

At least some of them are good, like Overlord for example

[@eternaldarkbrin]

when the writers understand the characters flaws well, and put them in the story the right way, the Audience will love them that one step further.

[@jerecklacap8867]

We're getting closer to my man drinker, my dudes! 😂😂😂

[@batboy555]

Oh yes. Go away now.

[@emblemblade9245]

Ugh, have some class, please.

[@Zejgar]

Cate Archer is forever in my heart, I am grateful for having had a chance to grow up playing her game.