Strong Induction // Intro and Full Example

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Dr. Trefor Bazett

Dr. Trefor Bazett

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@danielerhabor3241
@danielerhabor3241 7 жыл бұрын
Easily the best explanation on Strong Induction so far. My test is in an hour. Wish me luck.
@danielerhabor3241
@danielerhabor3241 7 жыл бұрын
Assuming the Fibonacci sequence prove F(n) < 2^n for n = 1,2,3... by strong induction. I think I got the base case but I couldn't algebraically manipulate the inductive case to prove it. I failed you sensei.
@BADR567567
@BADR567567 6 жыл бұрын
MY TEST AFTER 1 HOURE TOO, i will not failed you sensei @@danielerhabor3241
@danielerhabor3241
@danielerhabor3241 5 жыл бұрын
@GeishaTheSerpantClan professor looked at everyone's papers and realized no one was making sense so he just said "just use regular induction". So I survived.
@mayankjangid1543
@mayankjangid1543 4 жыл бұрын
Literally, this is the best explanation ever!
@nafisaumar8559
@nafisaumar8559 3 жыл бұрын
This is me rn
@DanT-iu6oc
@DanT-iu6oc 5 жыл бұрын
Are math professors incapable of explaining this concept? Are their memories wiped right before being put in front of a class? I'm paying 100k tuition that a 10 minute YT vid just completely beat out.
@nolanrudolph5463
@nolanrudolph5463 5 жыл бұрын
I feel this comment down to my fucking bones dude. Amen!!!
@uri_1199
@uri_1199 4 жыл бұрын
yo got robbed bro
@F7FD
@F7FD 4 жыл бұрын
LITERALLY. at this point i only go to uni for the degree. all of my "knowledge" is from youtube
@1Hydraulic1
@1Hydraulic1 4 жыл бұрын
unfortunately professors in universities are hired on their research capability, not their teaching ability
@jake_3745
@jake_3745 4 жыл бұрын
im always so flashed when i see a number like 100k for a university... america is doing something wrong
@enzoporte
@enzoporte 2 жыл бұрын
10 minutes to explain what an old university proffessor could not in 120 minutes. Thank you very much for making this video. I hope you know how much you have been of help to many people by putting effort into your teaching :)
@Luis-tf9pb
@Luis-tf9pb 10 ай бұрын
It's in fact the best explanation, with no complicated definitions, just straight to what is really important!
@FenjaminBranklin95
@FenjaminBranklin95 4 жыл бұрын
You are the type to be accepted at the gates of heaven. Thank you so much.
@combinedmathsbysachithband5680
@combinedmathsbysachithband5680 3 жыл бұрын
i dont know what kind of idiots dislike this beautiful simple explanation.thank you sir
@connorkelly865
@connorkelly865 3 жыл бұрын
Probably all the Profs realizing he's doing their job for free lol
@jelenavaryukhicheva1197
@jelenavaryukhicheva1197 2 жыл бұрын
That was a much clearer explanation than MIT video I watched before on the same topic.
@novelas3536
@novelas3536 2 жыл бұрын
I love this. I needed a more rigorous approach to this topic.
@malcolmhollett8638
@malcolmhollett8638 4 жыл бұрын
Not only did he explain one concept professors can't seem to explain, he managed to explain 2!! Mathematical induction and strong induction... How the ....
@ymingxi
@ymingxi 6 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation that i have ever had !!!
@sarahwhite4227
@sarahwhite4227 6 жыл бұрын
Wow! Honestly, video was so clear and easy to understand! I went through many textbooks and videos and this is definitely the best one! I am definitely subscribing
@bizarrapmusic
@bizarrapmusic Жыл бұрын
Jesus man, thank you so much. It wasn't that difficult or different of a normal induction after all. I don't know why they always try to explain things in the most difficult way possible on the books, i mean seriously, it's like they trying to prove that they can use a bunch of elegant words and things to say "look im smart!!". Again thank you!
@a_ghoul
@a_ghoul 5 жыл бұрын
wow you are really good at explaining these things! Thanks. So know the way that I understand it is that for some problems you can't just assume to step of the ladder that you are on, but all of the ladder steps below you that you've already climbed up. Very cool.
@EricTighten
@EricTighten 3 жыл бұрын
God, this is way more clear than my professor's lecture! Thanks!
@DrTrefor
@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that!
@adamgimbel9128
@adamgimbel9128 2 жыл бұрын
Best video I have seen so far! very enthusiastic and well spoken. Thank you sir.
@StradexEngine
@StradexEngine 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I was reading a book about discrete maths and I was having a hard time trying to even understand Strong induction!
@T0ra99
@T0ra99 Жыл бұрын
Zybooks be like
@johannashaw7807
@johannashaw7807 6 жыл бұрын
Very clear and easy to understand explanation for strong mathematical induction, thank you so much!
@kingofgods898
@kingofgods898 3 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced math professors make stuff like this seem harder than it is just so they can feel smart.
@charlietran5605
@charlietran5605 3 жыл бұрын
Dr Bazett, thank you so much! Your explanation is so clear and simple.
@DrTrefor
@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@TrojenMonkey
@TrojenMonkey 3 жыл бұрын
If this is the best explanation there is, the future is bleak. When you brought out 2p+1 +2(2q+1), I was truly lost. I have no idea where you sprung that from. "We can write them in the familiar 2p+1...", what familiar way? By whom?
@wm1pyro604
@wm1pyro604 2 жыл бұрын
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@galencollins7936
@galencollins7936 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks- this video is helpful. I understand proof by induction, but I am having a tough time understanding strong induction or knowing when to use it.
@tomashaddad
@tomashaddad 4 жыл бұрын
that step where you use the IH is fucking beautiful and made everything click, thanks
@aashsyed1277
@aashsyed1277 3 жыл бұрын
You a STRONG explainer.
@PLP0321
@PLP0321 7 жыл бұрын
I've watched many videos and this seriously is the best explanation. Thanks again!!
@hannaranah
@hannaranah 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! :D My professor had me very confused about this, you just saved me a lot of frustration.
@DrTrefor
@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@marcschmidtpujol550
@marcschmidtpujol550 Жыл бұрын
Great! My teachers first example for strong induction was to show that any natural number n can be expressed as n=r*2^s, with r odd and s natural. I don’t understand why he did that… even he said it might be hard to understand. Thank you very much for the vid!!
@lihongming1
@lihongming1 7 жыл бұрын
This helps so much, thank you! Looking forward to seeing more videos about discrete math from you!
@Kyle-xk2rb
@Kyle-xk2rb Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. My textbook doesn't cover this very well.
@boxoftruth2903
@boxoftruth2903 Жыл бұрын
man I love you. Clear and concise explanation cleared everything up :)
@elischrag8436
@elischrag8436 3 жыл бұрын
8:42 how could 2a sub k possibly be odd?????? It’s literally being multiplied by 2. Someone explain???
@Tony-yn5rr
@Tony-yn5rr 5 жыл бұрын
I HATE INDUCTION I HATE IT HATE IT HATE IT
@delightfuladebiyi9096
@delightfuladebiyi9096 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@fuadbaghirli246
@fuadbaghirli246 Ай бұрын
me to bro
@mostafakamal430
@mostafakamal430 4 жыл бұрын
This make complete sense and I understand the concept but all the problems that I have to do is so hard to solve. It deals with induction on trees, nodes and some other bullshit stuffs!!
@slazter274
@slazter274 6 жыл бұрын
I really like the explanation, However u've marked, 2ak as odd, which should be wrong? AK is odd, but 2*(k+1) = 2k+2, which is divisible by 2, therefore even. Or mabye you just meant to drag the bar under it to just mark out the ak part. Anyways, so far the best video i've found on explaining the difference between Regular and Strong Induction,Thanks alot!
@sanjayabudhathoki2742
@sanjayabudhathoki2742 4 жыл бұрын
9:35 Just a thought, isn't 2(ak) always even because of we multiply any number by an even number, it's always even
@ramyhuber8392
@ramyhuber8392 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree, my understanding is that 2 times any integer (even or odd) is always even. I stopped video here to mull this over. Is this a mistake in the video. Odd plus odd is not always odd, odd plus even is.
@QuixoticMcGee
@QuixoticMcGee 2 жыл бұрын
@@ramyhuber8392 I think he meant that Ak is odd because he writes it correctly in the next step.
@amadif1793
@amadif1793 Жыл бұрын
Such a clear and engaging explanation! Thanks!
@maanasperi9989
@maanasperi9989 4 жыл бұрын
umm at 8:55 wouldn't 2 times anything be even? Or are we just assuming 2 * ak is odd for the sake of the example?
@fleetinggreen8565
@fleetinggreen8565 4 жыл бұрын
I think he's pointing out that a_k is odd due to the induction hypothesis, not 2*a_k
@chantalespinosa5184
@chantalespinosa5184 2 жыл бұрын
i just asked the same question
@ruveydayilmaz4894
@ruveydayilmaz4894 5 жыл бұрын
9:28 looks like I gotta pee
@kat1345
@kat1345 5 жыл бұрын
lMaO
@henri1_96
@henri1_96 4 жыл бұрын
:DDD
@prrmrr7358
@prrmrr7358 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for such a clear explanation!
@speedysenu4183
@speedysenu4183 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you. Such a clear explanation!
@nadaabdulla7556
@nadaabdulla7556 5 жыл бұрын
I’m sick of number theory, actually I didn’t know that math is like this ..
@riaparikh1329
@riaparikh1329 3 жыл бұрын
such an easy explanation!! thank you
@chantalespinosa5184
@chantalespinosa5184 2 жыл бұрын
how is 2ak always odd, when ak itself is odd? uneven * 2, is always even? 8:41
@anonymousplayer9776
@anonymousplayer9776 9 ай бұрын
he meant ak is always odd
@steven9492
@steven9492 3 жыл бұрын
excellent video my guy
@md123180
@md123180 5 жыл бұрын
Khan: nope. Trev: nope. Patrick: nope. About 30 other confusing videos: nope. Trefor: yup. I don't like it, but I get it now.
@wangyun9360
@wangyun9360 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Bazett, thank you for making this great video! I have a question regarding the example on 6:58 about the base cases, why do we need a1 and a2 instead of a1 only?
@ita6444
@ita6444 Жыл бұрын
Because the sequence is defined by the two previous values so to to find the next one you have to know the two values that came before. So unless you have two basis values you can't go forward
@pianofreak247
@pianofreak247 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. Helped a lot
@RyanTorrecampo
@RyanTorrecampo 6 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! Thanks for making this video extremely easy to follow.
@dnavas7719
@dnavas7719 5 жыл бұрын
At 8:20 why are the 2 lower levels those instead of "a_k-1 + 2a_k-2" ?
@dnavas7719
@dnavas7719 5 жыл бұрын
@@DrTrefor ahh makes sense, thanks!
@arnavgupta9509
@arnavgupta9509 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation!! Thanks
@RizqChafikElIshaki
@RizqChafikElIshaki Жыл бұрын
you are the best thank you so much, may allah bless you.❤
@davidFbeckham
@davidFbeckham 6 жыл бұрын
Really well explained! Thank you
@dancho8161
@dancho8161 Жыл бұрын
this video helps me sooo much, thank you.
@turokg1578
@turokg1578 Жыл бұрын
are there any use cases of this over mathematical induction except recursivie definitions?
@charlesedeki--mathcomputer7198
@charlesedeki--mathcomputer7198 4 жыл бұрын
Please what is the name of the software you are using for the video, its great way to present lecture, thank you.
@aaryaanshaik2103
@aaryaanshaik2103 2 жыл бұрын
you suggest that 2ak must be odd by inductive hypothesis, but if ak is odd wouldnt 2ak be even?
@CreamyFucker
@CreamyFucker 2 жыл бұрын
I think the brackets are meant to only surround the ak and not the 2 coefficient. In that case the 2ak would be even and the a(k-1) would be odd. An odd plus an even is an odd so therefore a(k+1) is odd.
@shreyakapoor2002
@shreyakapoor2002 4 жыл бұрын
Thank god u are here
@justynfogarty6209
@justynfogarty6209 6 жыл бұрын
This was such a great lesson, thank you.
@user-su7zk3ve7z
@user-su7zk3ve7z 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much!
@capybara-k6g
@capybara-k6g Жыл бұрын
8:45 you assumed that a(1),...,a(i) is odd, not a(i),...a(k). So if a(k-1) and a(k-2) are in the interval a(i),...a(k), then the inductive hypothesis doesn't apply??
@alextitov1416
@alextitov1416 Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@sofieooms8990
@sofieooms8990 6 жыл бұрын
wow thank you, this was really easy to follow
@김창성-x2y
@김창성-x2y 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! This helped me a lot!
@gabeb6834
@gabeb6834 6 жыл бұрын
Big thanks man!
@tomificationness
@tomificationness 6 жыл бұрын
this helped a lot for graph theory!
@btobin86
@btobin86 5 жыл бұрын
So assuming that ai is odd for 1
@selimcanpolat8664
@selimcanpolat8664 3 жыл бұрын
i don't think we can conclude that consecutive terms a_k-1 and a_k are odd just by looking at the inductive step
@CalleTful
@CalleTful 4 жыл бұрын
Good video! Where does this 2p+1 come from?
@tomashaddad
@tomashaddad 4 жыл бұрын
definition of an odd number is 2p + 1 for p in Z, likewise even numbers are 2p for p in Z
@MustafaBerkeGureltol
@MustafaBerkeGureltol 4 жыл бұрын
A Dr. looks younger than I do lol
@adamkolany1668
@adamkolany1668 2 жыл бұрын
Well, we used to call that ordinal induction. Can you show me some sources in literature on set theory (Kunnen, Jech, Bar-Hillel, etc ?) where this "strong" also is used?
@MagnusTheUltramarine
@MagnusTheUltramarine 3 жыл бұрын
So K in this case is any random number between (1, minimum number) and the maximum number (for example: 11) So K could be in this case 9, and i is any number between 1 and 9 and P(n) is Ak = Ak-2 + 2*Ak-1 Is this correct?
@kenneth078
@kenneth078 2 жыл бұрын
what is the difference of that between weak mathematical induction?? basically it is the weak induction with an additional “step 2” stated out of nowhere. Am i missing sth or what? I don’t understand.
@MuffinsAPlenty
@MuffinsAPlenty 3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean when you say that strong induction allows you to prove a more general set of claims than regular induction? The two methods are equivalent, so any claim you can prove with one can be proven with the other. (Though it can be a lot less obvious how to prove something with regular induction than strong induction.)
@bradwang3648
@bradwang3648 6 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, thank you!
@wm1pyro604
@wm1pyro604 2 жыл бұрын
great video thanks - the only thing I don't understand is what the limit on my k should be ("k is greater than or equal to...")
@ajakororo5366
@ajakororo5366 3 жыл бұрын
8:36 how is 2 times some integer odd?
@davidfarah
@davidfarah 3 жыл бұрын
He meant the integer without the 2
@williamgriffith2822
@williamgriffith2822 2 жыл бұрын
i love you more than everything bro
@perturbant1917
@perturbant1917 Жыл бұрын
thanks
@al7aroDos
@al7aroDos 6 жыл бұрын
Do you have something about structural induction?
@jean-michelcid9594
@jean-michelcid9594 6 жыл бұрын
thanks. great content
@angelaituriaga9179
@angelaituriaga9179 6 жыл бұрын
How do we know how many base cases we should be proving?
@umadbroyo2388
@umadbroyo2388 5 жыл бұрын
Question: how can you assume a_(k-1) is odd when k can be equal to 1, so k-1 can be 0 and our base case doesnt proof for value being 0?
@KennethKreindler
@KennethKreindler 5 жыл бұрын
i>= 1 no?
@seanli6339
@seanli6339 5 жыл бұрын
can u make one on structural induction with recursively defined sets
@benphillips93
@benphillips93 3 жыл бұрын
I have n = 7a - 3b where n is greater or equal to 1, any ideas?
@vinayak186f3
@vinayak186f3 4 жыл бұрын
Induction is interesting ...
@MO-xq2wm
@MO-xq2wm 4 жыл бұрын
Why does it seem like all our teachers are just useless??
@TDefton
@TDefton 6 жыл бұрын
How is 2a_k odd if the definition of an even number is 2n (where n is any integer)???
@TDefton
@TDefton 6 жыл бұрын
Oh nevermind I just saw your comment. You're saying the product is a_(k-1) + 2a_k is odd. Gotcha
@RainyDay_xoxo
@RainyDay_xoxo 5 жыл бұрын
If you assume a_i is odd, for i equal or larger than 1 and equal or smaller than a_k, how can you then claim a_k-1 and a_k are odd? You havent assumed anything about k, right? Only about i.
@matthewlev1342
@matthewlev1342 6 жыл бұрын
I still dont get the difference between this and standard induction?
@rocketleague2136
@rocketleague2136 5 жыл бұрын
thank you very much
@Mahi_013
@Mahi_013 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@MakingVidsBreh
@MakingVidsBreh 3 жыл бұрын
What is your conclusion?
@loganshawkins962
@loganshawkins962 2 жыл бұрын
Could you make another video you lost me at P(1)
@civenge1802
@civenge1802 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't 2Ak even? 2 times an odd number is an even number.
@DrTrefor
@DrTrefor 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry, my underline is meant to only be the a_k not the 2a_k
@civenge1802
@civenge1802 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrTrefor Thanks for the clarification.
@alonsovega7667
@alonsovega7667 6 жыл бұрын
U must also emphasize the fact that k-1 is between your least element of your set and k.
@amorfati4559
@amorfati4559 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man.
@nouf9183
@nouf9183 7 жыл бұрын
I love you sir
@VoxScripts
@VoxScripts 7 ай бұрын
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@raylauffer2224
@raylauffer2224 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Rita-rs5qi
@Rita-rs5qi 5 жыл бұрын
why do some people use k+1 while others use k-1?
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