Struggling with Push-Pull and Double Stroke Roll? Here's How to Fix It...

A lot of students who first start with me mention they struggle with doubles, so over the last decade, I have been working on different approaches to solving this problem, and this video shows a bunch of the key steps required to get doubles improving, conditioned, and integrated in to your playing.

[@lethargictroutable]

Matt is my Mentor and I can honestly say his lessons have been an absolute game changer for me! I've been playing for 10+ years and always struggled with accuracy and speed around the kit and since working with him on a 1-1 basis my playing has come on leaps and bounds! Keep up the good work dude this lesson is awesome!!!! Love ya Broski! (It's Tony btw 😂)

[@mrudulkamble3266]

That solo at the end was actually pretty good and so chill at the same time ! Love it

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks for checking it out, hope you got some value for your time spent!

[@VON_RHEDBEARD]

You have a great teaching ability! Highly appreciated sir

[@finr95]

Thanks for breaking things down. I hope your channel continues to grow, we need more teachers like yourself.

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks for the kind words. Appreciate it!

[@Pericles777]

I learned this and didn’t realize I was doing it. Accenting the second note of doubles just sounds so good 👍🏼

[@minime5380]

Hey Matt, just stumbled across you at last, great lesson thanks. I’ll be mailing for the cheat sheet for doubles and some info on courses 🙏👍

[@carlosbowling1959]

Very helpful you demystified everything

[@00p13p]

Best video on this topic ever

[@jcgm666]

Wow! I think its the best push pull technique video i've seen

[@swcre8s]

Great video and really cool tips! Thanks!

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks for checking it out and for commenting... You are helping get this video out there! Any q's hit me up!

[@caferrara]

So many poseurs giving drum instruction, but this guy can really do what he teaches!

[@janseendiguiseppiThomasMC]

everyone knows one you've seen whiplash you are qualified to give lessons 😂 jk this guy is great! ❤

[@indiansabertheband]

best video for push pull thanks matt

[@Alaaaan1000]

Good stuff! Thanks Matt 🥁

[@infinitydrumming]

My pleasure!

[@renangucyener3684]

This is amazing. Thank you!

[@infinitydrumming]

You're very welcome!

[@michaelshur]

Excellent teacher, thank you!

[@infinitydrumming]

You're very welcome!

[@coopercooper8406]

Just discovered Matt. Sometimes the algorithm is my ally. Great lesson. Definitely a new sub.

[@infinitydrumming]

Awesome, thank you! Glad youtube brought this to you. Let me know how you get on at [e-mail] of you want.

[@dageonyar]

Great stuff ty. Got Syncopation book ready to roll (pun intended lol) Liked and sub'd., Look forward to your next videos.

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks for subscribing. More to come. How would you feel about a video breaking down bass drum doubles? 😊 Syncopation is a great resource. I have another way of using syncopation page 38-45. I'll have to drop that sometime. 😁

[@johndiraimo1444]

The purpose for learning the Free/Full stroke is to allow the student to understand the full rotation... the "plain" if you will, of the stick. The 4 basic strokes need to be understood and practiced slowly so that one can understand the physics and feel them in the hands. Similar to the double strokes where you pull the second double out. Joe Morello's book Master Studies I addresses these issues and strokes. It's not the whole equation but it's an important one.

[@RogerSmith-sm9en]

Hey Matt, really enjoyed your take on push pull. Subscribed! Id love to check out your doubles cheat sheet. Cheers

[@infinitydrumming]

You got it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@jeremyboesmans]

This is the the exact video I was looking for,I really struggle getting speed with the push pull, I'm way too robotic, thanks Matt!!!

[@infinitydrumming]

Glad it helped! Hit me up at [e-mail] for a feedback video on your doubles.

[@JeDaCheese]

I feel like some teachers create the 'point to the ceiling' style methods just so they can push out another video. This however was bullshit free and to the point. Thanks

[@infinitydrumming]

Glad it helped you out. Keep an eye out, I have a few more of these techique simplifiers coming soon.

[@millie179]

Superb explanation... 👍👍👍

[@infinitydrumming]

Glad you liked it

[@216stitchdanger]

You have phenomenal skill and teaching ability! This lesson connected with me. I look forward to seeing what else you demonstrate, definitely subscribed. Thank you

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks for subscribing and for the kind words. Glad you found ilthe lesson helpful!

[@alibardgett1493]

Great video Matt 👏😎🥁

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks Ali! 🙏

[@tomwellander8781]

Doubles cheat sheet, please. I loved the video, yours is the best explanation I have watched. Thank you!

[@infinitydrumming]

You are welcome to it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@SingerDuoScreens]

Great explanation

[@infinitydrumming]

Glad it was helpful!

[@paulkirkwood1748]

Tremendous lesson! Great work!

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks Paul! If you want some feedback on your application of the lesson, drop me an email at [e-mail] with a video of you playing doubles, and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy drumming.

[@paulkirkwood1748]

I'll do that! Thanks a lot mate

[@gonch72]

Great video

[@infinitydrumming]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for subscribing too!

[@gavinremedios7953]

Thanks, exactly what I wanted.❤😂

[@gasb2g61]

Great video, Matt! I have got caught up too much in spreading myself to thin on the drums. I am trying to master too many things while trying to learn songs for gigging in the blues and blues rock band I am in. Time to wind things back so I can improve what I need for the current music I am playing and once that is to my liking, then commence one other thing to master/get better at, one at a time without other parts of my playing suffering.

[@gasb2g61]

Any chance of getting the doubles chear sheet please Matt?

[@infinitydrumming]

It's easy as a working drummer to get bogged down with the material we need to play for sure. The great thing about technique just like time is it has a big bang that benefits everything, so it's a great thing to spend time on. Let me know how it all goes for you. 😁

[@infinitydrumming]

​@@gasb2g61 You bet. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@brmperc]

This is really helpful. I'm teaching a student right now who is getting confused with that usual way of approach. I'm going to try this with her at the next lesson! Oh, and could I get that doubles cheat sheet?

[@infinitydrumming]

You bet. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles Cheat sheet over to you.

[@SonorGeek05]

Thanks for breaking this down. I'm guilty of improper hand technique.

[@milesnicholas8124]

Hi Matt. Excellent video. I have some suspicions about my second finger fulcrum on my right hand so would love the doubles cheat sheet please. many Thanks

[@infinitydrumming]

You got it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you. If you want some feedback, drop me a short video of you playing doubles too. 😊

[@pangeaproxima3681]

Awesome!

[@wingchun-simplekungfu7584]

Inspiring and great lesson. Wow. I’ve still got my syncopation book my dad bought me in the early 70’s. Same book as yours. My teacher then had me doing some exercises which may have limited my learning. Like , holding coins against the stick with my fingers. To make sure my grip was always firm. I always used heavy 5C sticks. Now having better success with lighter sticks. Just need to unlearn my bad grip habit . Thanks man

[@infinitydrumming]

There are alot of methods that can actually make things harder rather than easier. It's important to stay as loose as possible with the grip while maintaining accurate control of the direction the stick. One cool tip, on those days you find your hand are dry or cold, use Mr Zogg's stick wax to create some tackiness, so you don't have to grip the sticks too hard to maintain control. 😁

[@Lafayette_19]

Doubles chest sheet, please. Fantastic explanation, thank you!

[@infinitydrumming]

You bet. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@jasonshort1437]

I love how you used that Ted Reed exercise for developing doubles.

[@jasonshort1437]

Also, you are right... That exaggerated drop catch thing always seemed a little goofy to me.

[@infinitydrumming]

Glad you found it helpful. 😁 Happy drumming 🥁

[@infinitydrumming]

I have another Ted Reed variation coming soon btw

[@user-hb4ek5hk4p]

Doubles cheat sheet. Great lesson!

[@infinitydrumming]

Sure thing. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@craigsmith6045]

Man your approach is so good. I’m having problems with ghost notes landing quietly and smooth after a good back beat. Toto Rosanna sounds horrible after I land the Back beat landing the ghost note on the snare doesn’t sound smooth enough

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks Craig. This is a common issue you are facing. I could do a little video on this. But if you are open to it, I'd be happy to get you in for a free 30 minute session and I'll show you exactly how to solve that with around 5 practise sessions of 20 mins.

[@roewest]

Hi Matt, great video. I'm very interested in the 'double whip' technique you mentioned. Did you already make the video you hinted on?

[@infinitydrumming]

I didn't yet... But that is something I will go over in a future video for sure.

[@reilley1584]

Doubles cheat sheet. Thanks for the lesson!

[@infinitydrumming]

You bet. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@8020drummer]

Great video - I’d call your attention to 7:37, where your hand looks pretty much the way I strive to make mine look when I’m doing doubles. I don’t draw a distinction between doubles and drop catch at the beginning, because I think it’s about energy management. But I would give students the very advice you caution against at the beginning as a means to get their hands doing what yours are at 7:37. With all due respect, it looks like you’re dropping the wrist below the axis of the forearm - which is no criticism because I think this is a Good thing - because your hand can feel how much energy is needed to put into the stick to get an even bounce back. I agree that once you’re specifically working on doubles as independent from push pull, you need less energy, so the “drop” wrist motion can be more attenuated. The other difference in our approach is I don’t emphasize fingers at all, because one of my first teachers over emphasized fingers and that caused me to “force” the stroke by pinching it, instead of working with the energy of the stick. I’ve seen many students get caught in similar quagmires, and I wonder if simply practicing singles is an easier way to get students to incorporate the fingers without overemphasizing them. I like the approach you do leading up to 7:37, and the sound you get with your doubles, so I think it’s just about different coaching cues getting out students to a similar place.

[@jimbarcelona1078]

I'm a traditional grip drummer for years since 1962 so I'm 70

[@jimbarcelona1078]

My doubles , paradiddles, padaflafla as well. Again only traditional

[@infinitydrumming]

Pataflaflas are great fun!

[@kevincoggins3409]

Doubles cheat sheet. Thank you.

[@infinitydrumming]

You are welcome to it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@dominicfox7491]

This is ace. Could i have the doubles cheat sheet please? Thanks

[@infinitydrumming]

You bet. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@kevinkoop3615]

Hey Matt, I found this video very helpful... "liked" and "subscribed" If you could point me towards your "Double Cheat sheet" document I would appreciate it.

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks so much for liking, subscribing, and commenting! Sure thing, drop me an email at [e-mail], and I'll get that straight over to you! I'll send you a full video breaking the cheatsheet down too.

[@kevinkoop3615]

@@infinitydrumming - Thanks Matt... email sent. : )

[@drummin4jesus175]

1st off I play traditional grip with the left hand. I have a good double stroke roll. Clean and even. My problem with doing the push pull is I cant seem to get the speed I would like.

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks for sharing! I can do a video on speed development in the future. Or if you want to chat with me directly about this... Drop me an email at [e-mail]

[@hauntedhose]

Subbed

[@infinitydrumming]

Thankyou! 🙏 Lemme know what kind of topics you want to see lessons on in the future here.

[@RadgeCanary]

Doubles cheat sheet? Yes please!

[@infinitydrumming]

You are welcome to it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@BONNIEINBITS]

Great vid. Cheat sheet please.

[@infinitydrumming]

You got it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@lawofficesofjeffreym.jacob9466]

Doubles cheat sheet

[@gasb2g61]

Me too please Matt. Cheers

[@keesel]

Send the cheat sheet page 28 Syncopation by Tom Reed

[@infinitydrumming]

More than happy to send it to you all. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to all 3 of you.

[@JDPelayoPetit]

Doubles cheat sheet please!

[@infinitydrumming]

You bet. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@michaelfraters831]

Where can I get the doubles cheat sheet? Thanks

[@infinitydrumming]

Just send me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@philmayne3308]

Hi Matt can I get the doubles cheat sheet? Phil

[@infinitydrumming]

Of course. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@jeffreywegener8841]

Great . This is exactly why Tommy Igoe doesn’t talk about upstrokes . If you bully the first note you get “ the lawnmower roll “ I love this stuff but even Gordy Knutson who uses graphs & that stuff has said if you can do a double stroke well you’re utilising push pull . I find my former biggest flaw was not being loose enough & letting the sticks do the work . Sorry I don’t think improving facility happens with dedicated and regular practice but perhaps wisdom does .

[@GraphicMill]

Matt, that was great and a much better way to explain and teach the double stroke roll. You need to post more content. I’ve always struggled to get a double as clean as you have it down. So I’ll work on this lesson. A double cheat sheet you say? I’d be interested in that. And maybe, break down that double stroke solo you did at the ending. Basically the transition from the roll to the toms and back again so smoothly. 👍

[@infinitydrumming]

Thanks for the kind words. Happy to send you over the cheat sheet and do a personalised video breaking down how to build up your orchestrations. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@user-lf3qm8nw3w]

I have done all the damn practice techniques but I can't break the barrier of doing it fast .what the hell am I doing wrong

[@infinitydrumming]

I understand your frustration. The two things that help are focusing on perfecting your motion slow and spending 5 mins every day going slow to fast and doing sprints and jogs. Additionally bursting with subdivisions helps a ton. I will do a video on this soon here. But if you want further help, reach out to me at [e-mail]

[@CnaqeIyez]

Doubles cheatsheet

[@infinitydrumming]

You got it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@williamthompson5078]

Double Cheat Sheet

[@infinitydrumming]

You are welcome to it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@einarabelc5]

Selling Moeller as a new thing..😂😂

[@infinitydrumming]

Not at all. I teach that you need Moeller to do it. However, the double whip has a specific emphasis on the second stroke not present in the classic Moeller motion.

[@user-qv7dx3im1p]

Too wordy

[@p.diddle]

Doubles cheat sheet

[@infinitydrumming]

Of course. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@CnaqeIyez]

Doubles cheatsheet

[@infinitydrumming]

You got it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@davidmartin9758]

Doubles cheat sheet

[@infinitydrumming]

For sure. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.

[@AshDixon66]

Doubles cheat sheet

[@infinitydrumming]

You got it. Drop me a quick email at [e-mail] and I'll get that doubles cheat sheet over to you.