Double Stroke and Closed Rolls

[@evcricket]

Apart from all the other reasons, I really respect how you acknowledge your teachers and how they helped you get to where you are.

[@stalliec]

Fantastic. If you are scrolling through drum technique videos, know that there is a lot of "garbage" out there, and know that here you have found the REAL DEAL, an authentic, professional source. Thanks Rick.

[@hugostos09]

The best snare drummer on planet Earth

[@johnnyxmusic]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. The depth of your knowledge is matched by the generosity and your willingness to share all you know. I have to say, I’m just getting into drums. And I really am mad for those tight little rolls at the edge of the drum head. Because then you really come to see how dynamic that skin is and the whole idea of dynamics is one of the most interesting things to me about playing drums.

[@cjambass6881]

Excellent instructional video. Multi-layered.

[@mogollonsalcedo]

Great lesson and explanation, many thanks!

[@MP-ju4ol]

In this truly Strange time I’m glad you have time to teach more. You truly are a great teacher............a great legacy. I hang around teachers a lot......

[@rickdior]

Thank You That really means a lot to me Rick

[@vincentsantarelli6915]

the wealth of knowledge you are passing on is first class.many many thanks Rick

[@jaywebler4904]

I am glad to see "The Roll" by Emil Sholle listed. This was very helpful to me in my Air Force Band days. Thankfully I was able to get a new book after loosing my mine some 30 years ago.

[@StraightNoChaser86]

I love the comment about inconsistent conductors!

[@cjklz]

Instant top classic pro video.

[@gillianshaw9403]

A first class lesson! So thorough...so helpful!

[@rickdior]

Thanks Gillian So glad that these are helping you Rick

[@hakankara9908]

You are a very good teacher and you really make it seem easy. I really appreciate what your doing with this channel. Thank you 🙏

[@alwilliams1997]

Great tutorial, cheers Rick

[@arthorvonblomberg1624]

Excellent very informative and inspiring THANX!!

[@SalMichael]

Beautiful,Thank you Rick!

[@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah]

Thanks for the great instructional video! OK... He's a challenge! Acoustic guitarists never seem to play a steady rhythm! 1, 2, 3, 4, seem to be in different places... On June 30th, at my church we played America The Beautiful and Battle Hymn of the Republic, and I had a pretty hard time playing rolls, because the Guitarists uneven rhythm (They all seem to be like that, unless they play another interment as well as acoustic guitar...) I pulled it off, but it was clumsy in our practices... I deal with this challenge playing drum set by playing "linear" (Hi Hat on off beats, or similar loose patterns) OH!! And what about the BUDDY RICH, OLD TIME, NEW ORLEANS, WHIP CREAM ROLL?!?!?! This is described by Ed Shagunessy as dragging the sticks across the head. This roll yields a varied tone, as opposed to a specific tone if you only play one one spot of the head. The whip cream roll also works good on loose toms like a floor tom. You call this "deflection", but the whip cream roll is different animal due to the more complex tone kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaqvYpaGqZySas0&pp=ygUPd2hpcCBjcmVhbSByb2xs @24:27 You have a lot of neat sticks. I notice you don't have any Tom Gauger type sticks with a tiny tip and a longer, forward weighted shaft. I associate those with orchestral playing. The Promark Billy Cobham 808 in red oak is the closest to what you are calling "Barrel Tip" I have seen in a music store. I like the Promark 707 which is smaller. There is a Phil Collins model, that is shorter, with a ball tip like a 707

[@2007christian]

Great, thanks!

[@canturgan]

Great lesson. The only problem is the high frame rate of your camera, it makes it difficult to see the sticks. If you use a slower shutter speed (1/30th sec) it would be easier to see the sticks. Thanks for the videos.

[@rickdior]

You can slow the video down on youtube and see exactly what I am doing.

[@armandocairo5444]

Great…Thanks Rick!

[@rondeangelis7384]

superb Rick. i will now work on not using arms in closed rolls. 👌

[@rickdior]

Thanks Ron

[@stevehannon9979]

Hey Rick, Great lesson yet again. When I was younger I looked down on the buzz roll I thought it was a way drummers cheat so they didn’t have to learn an open double stroke roll. It did not take long to completely changed my mind on this issue. Listening to Gadd straightened me out. Choosing the correct meter is a challenge. If I am playing 16th notes double stroke at 160 and I want to go to a buzz smoothly I obviously can’t do 16th notes Would love to see a vid dedicated to this issue This is not obvious to me I think I always assumed buzz rolls were not in time but it is supper important that they are Thoughts ? Keep up the great work I share with my drummer friends

[@rickdior]

Hi Steve You may want to watch my classical snare drum video playlist and the entire Playlist for the book Advanced Snare Drum Studies by Mitchel Peters. I play the entire book and talk through the first few etudes.

[@stevehannon9979]

Thank you Rick very quick response You are out of Cali right Forgive me if you told me

[@lawrencemurphy7542]

Love that White Marine Pearl Snare. Sounds great. Is that a Pearl Snare? Also your lessons here on KZbin are the best. Thanks for your time!

[@rickdior]

Thanks Lawrence. That is a pearl Philharmonic Snare Drum with a calf head Thanks Rick

[@DrummerGuirtaristman]

i thought my double stroke rolls were closed rolls for years now, thanks for clarifying the difference

[@rickdior]

Glad I could help clear that up Nathan

[@renattodibella5634]

where i can get your book?

[@stefanosuzuki4444]

Hi Rick Dior! Many thanks for your videos. It has been since 2012 watching your videos. Just wonder if the intro snare drum pattern is a "marinera". Souned like it. If not, please check! KR

[@rickdior]

Hi Stefano It is influenced by that pattern but I am improvising for the most part. Thanks for watching.

[@ambroulard]

Hi Rick,, your rolls are beautiful!!! I’m really struggling with my double strokes right now and I have just one simple question- Another fairly well respected but younger teacher online emphasizes that you should use the thumb AnD the index finger to squeeze the second note of the double to make it as loud as the first….. I can do that at slow tempos to medium slow BUT frankly my left shoulder gets tired if I practice too much Or try to increase the tempo-- ( traditional grip). -when you play your doubles it appears your index finger is just barely touching the side of the stick which suggests to me your thumb and wrist are doing most of the work- ( with some help from the 3rd finger of course to lift the stick)-- Any suggestions? Any advice would be greatly appreciated, ThankS!!

[@rickdior]

Hi I am assuming you are talking about the traditional grip with my left hand. I do not squeeze anything. What I do is use my last 2 fingers as regulators and they move up as the stick bounces between my 1st 2 fingers and my thumb and the bottom fingers. My grip is very loose. You want to avoid a tight grip as this inhibits rebound. The 2nd note will be as loud as the first as long as you are using those last 2 fingers and closing down the space between both groups of fingers. As you go faster that space becomes smaller. It's like bouncing a ball between 2 walls and if the walls get closer together the ball will bounce faster.

[@ambroulard]

@@rickdior You have NO idea how much that helps--. I can see that your grip is really relaxed and as I said this pressing with my thumb and index finger to cause the second note to be the same volume as the first note was starting to annoy my left shoulder-- I will keep at it,,, I’ve also watched your bass drum and HI hat video-- and that is going to take a lot of work for me as well as I’ve been a heel down player for a very long time-- I’ll do the work and thanks again!!!

[@rademasi]

Great stuff, Rick. I’m working on this lesson this morning and experimenting with moving my fulcrum (with matched grip) between index and middle finger. Does it make any sense to bary this, or is it better to stick one? To strength the index fulcrum I was taught to do the closed/double strike lightly with just index and thumb, so no fingers. I used to do this but seem to have gotten in to a bad habit of unintentionally letting my pinky finger off the sticks. Is it better to always practice with all fingers on, or is there merit in switching around? Thanks again for all of your incredible posts.

[@rickdior]

Hi Ralph Do not lift your pinky. Keep those 3 last fingers together. lifting the pinky creates tension in your hand. Use your first finger and thumb to hold the stick, not your middle finger. Take care

[@Metzok]

Thanks Rick! Do you define any different movements/gears of the double stroke when the tempo increases and more of the arm/elbow becomes incorporated? Or do you see it as a natural thing that just happens as a part of relaxed development?

[@rickdior]

Everything stays the same but I might use slightly more forearm/wrist movement for louder/faster doubles

[@Metzok]

Ok, thanks for your reply!

[@Jongraphs8600]

How long have you been playing?

[@rickdior]

50 years

[@verawright2157]

Years ago at high school I was taught never play on the center of a snare. Plat about three inches at all times

[@verawright2157]

Sorry made a mistake. It's play at all times about three inches from the rim. For more volume use your wrists and fingers. As a woman I played for years and had a lovely smooth rolls very young. Great explanations. You know your "stuff".

[@Tan-hb3qu]

Great tutorial but need more explanation on left hand.

[@jamessholtz6016]

Double stroke roll has been referred to as a "Field Roll" too.

[@jgillott]

Also "The Long Roll". See N.A.R.D. chart.