Strymon TimeLine delay - Advanced Looper MIDI Control

[@SuperStoopid08]

I can't believe this has been up for over 2 weeks and no one has commented on how awesome the 2nd loop example is... I've had my Timeline for a couple months now and its versatility still surprises me everyday. From your products, to customer support, and these videos, you guys rock.

[@saintannsbeach]

Awesome video! Thanks. I’ve been searching for a good looper with solid midi functionality and the ability to add delay before and/or after the looper. Even 11 years later this is the best option.

[@BlackmountriseChOfficial]

amazing! absolutely gorgeous soundscapes over here!

[@mithunselvaratnam4655]

Amazing. The ability to loop post-delay is so cool alone, not to mention all this MIDI stuff. I have the Akai headrush, and it's a great pedal, but you can't do delay and loop at the same time, which holds it back.

[@xKYLAFORNIAx]

You definitely found the best guy to demo this! Kuddos for featuring State Shirt on your channel

[@strymon]

Thanks so much!! We are lucky enough that State Shirt actually works at Strymon :D

[@johntguitar]

I just received my TImeLine yesterday and this is exactly what I was trying to set up. Thanks for the video and for an AMAZING product!!

[@thegreatma]

so this is the guy behind strymon's first video clip of the timeline! wonderful playing!

[@lifesynthtance]

The talent, the sounds and the Timeline..... just awesome !!

[@drubarlow]

I watch & listen to videos like this & wonder what the 2 people who disliked this video were hearing. Simply stunning guitar playing & effecting!

[@suitandtieguy]

i could listen to this guy play all day.

[@tested211]

Fantastic playing and use of effects. Timeline sounds fantastic here too.

[@leoernestofer1]

Loop Number 2, what a genius Ethan!

[@stateshirt]

Thanks so much, glad you dig it! :) :)

[@pfloydguy]

my absolute favorite delay pedal/looper

[@strymonsupport]

Presets are recalled on both the TL and Mobius when you send the correct program change from your MIDI controller. We mapped our presets sequentially so for example, to recall preset 00A you need to send program change #0 from your MIDI controller. For preset 00B you need to send program change #1 and so on and so forth. So to recall two patches at once from the TL and Mobius, you need to make sure that they are both in the same preset location to be recalled from a singular program change.

[@TechMetalRules]

This is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!

[@EddiArtsCom]

Very nice review. wish every review on you tube was like this one.

[@Patrick-857]

If you work with a DAW you can sync the Timeline looper by getting the DAW to send out a PLAY message every four bars, or however long the loop is. I recorded a song in which both my Timeline and BigSky were fully automated by the computer, stacking reversed loops over and over in sync with my DAW until it was a wall of noise. these things can do anything.

[@sloanstudios]

Love the Taylor solidbody, I have the custom series in walnut and it sounds just as perty.

[@FLIPERIUS]

Ufff tremendo trabajo con esos loops!! Excelente el timeline, no me deja de sorprender!! Felicitaciones!

[@swamplifecontrol]

Hi - Is there a midi cc # for fx pre / post looper ? Looks like you were changing it by hand in the 1st example.

[@strymon]

Yes, sending a MIDI CC# 96 with any value will toggle between having the looper set to either Pre or Post delay effects.

[@swamplifecontrol]

Yes - ! - thanks - found the manual also !

[@mattdag69]

Ethan is amazing

[@Piplodocus]

The Timeline and Big Sky are awaiting money on my ever ending guitar shopping list. Last night I was thinking maybe I should shell out for a looper first as it's probably more useful for my band as I do have a decent delay & reverb but no looping ability, and hence gained a 4th new pedal back on my shopping list. By the time I went to bed I realised the Timeline has one so now it's just back to three but with the Timeline jumping back up in front of the BigSky! So many pedals and so little money (and space n the pedalboard)! ;-)

[@Piplodocus]

BTW, to save me reading the manual, can you assign patch changes to the looper functions or are they fixed to particular MIDI CCs? I have a ground control, but use mine in the 10 presets, rather than 4 patch + 8 CCs modes I'm guessing is used in this video. That'd be nice as I don't want looper functions most of the time so like my 10 patches per bank setup. If I could change to a "loopy bank" that definitely beats having lots of unusable buttons for the large majority of my live sets!

[@Piplodocus]

Piplodocus Don't worry, just read the manual. Guessing not from that, but I equally found the video of the instant easy way to enter looper mode with the built in buttons. Not the ultimate, but certainly super easy and probably enough for what I'll likely use a lot of the time. Shame I'd have to rule out the GC for the advanced functions and have to use a FCB1010 or something for bank specific extended functions (but that'd rule out the Voodoo labs pedal switcher/GCX so I'll stick with basic). Still, I can do more stuff easier than I'd originally hoped, so still a big win!

[@strymon]

Hi there, we didn't use an amp for this demo, we used a Damage Control tube preamp. Thanks! :)

[@TheProPedalShop]

I love that I've had my Timeline for about 6 months and every week I find something new and awesome about it! Side note: are you just in drop D? Love that low end. Thanks!

[@DestinationUnknown4x4]

Wish you guys would do a setup video for this. I have my ground control setup with the gcx looper and basic stomp boxes

[@strymon]

Thanks for the feedback! Hopefully we can provide this in a future video. For now, you just need to assign the switches on your Ground Control to send the MIDI CC messages that control the TimeLine. These can be found on page 24 of the TimeLine's manual available on our website: www.strymon.net/documents/TimeLine_UserManual_REVD.pdf

[@strymonsupport]

The extended looper controls like Undo and Reverse can only be accessed via MIDI. They're not available in any of the menus on TimeLine. You can control the delay speed via an expression pedal or via MIDI on TimeLine. :)

[@calimusic2007]

Nice video. Could you do a walk through of how you programmed/mapped the GCX?

[@strymon]

Thanks! I'll pass along your request to our Support team :)

[@thisriver]

Please help with this question: Can the Timeline (in looper mode) quantize loops to an incoming midi clock? I'm trying to sync loops to synth and drum machines but have failed miserably.

[@strymon]

Hello! The looper cannot be synched to incoming clock.

[@thisriver]

@@strymon Hey Strymon, thank you so much for your kind answer.

[@jmaz1100]

killer guitar looping!!!

[@alandobson1332]

How do I use the One call OC10 Crockadile Tail looper with my Timeline, Big Sky and Mobious? I need a from the start guide. Programming mapping etc. Thanks

[@vvlvmusic]

Ordered mine, so I guess I'll find out soon anyways... Still, more info and MORE VIDEOS would be awesome. This thing is addicting.

[@donhsi]

well produced video & audio! would suggest a video slider to get smoother video movement.

[@strymon]

Yep you can use the Ground Control Pro for patch changes as well!

[@mwood487]

I wish this was more than just a demo!

[@shihku]

Ethan, can you explain how you made the speed change to create that amazing sound slicing effect @ 2:40 (2nd demo) ??

[@Grusengrein]

insane man... blown away.... thank you for making this :)

[@vvlvmusic]

Is there also a way to pitch the loop as can be done with the EHX Hazarai? So far that's the only thing I'm missing (not that it'll keep me from ordering one).

[@tordenblod]

Hi. I love the timeline, it sounds amazing! I've tried to copy this setup, using the fcb1010, followed all instructions for both the timeline and the controller, but the timeline doesn't receive the cc's that I'm sending. I assume that you have set it up with control changes!? I tried to send cc's from maxmsp to check that I'm sending the right commands to the timeline, which I do, but it still will not receive the commands. Both have the same midi channel and continuous controller are set to on...hmmmm. What am I missing? Hope you can help out, or make a more detailed video on this setup. All the best T

[@strymon]

Hello +tordenblod, sorry to hear that you are having trouble with this. If the pedal is receiving the correct MIDI CC messages to control the loop on the MIDI channel it is set to, there is no reason it should not respond. One thing to note is that if the pedal is not set to LOOPER mode (holding down the TAP footswitch for a few seconds), you will not get any visual feedback from the TimeLine. Are you playing through the TimeLine when sending these MIDI messages to verify if it is working properly? Also, make sure that the BYPASS mode of the TimeLine is set to BUFBYP for the looper to work when your delay presets are bypassed. If you continue to have trouble, please send us an email to [e-mail] with details on the settings and a recording of the MIDI messages being sent out of the FCB controller using a problem like MIDI Monitor (Mac) or Bome's SendSX (Windows) for us to verify that the messages are being sent correctly.

[@strymonsupport]

That's not a feature at the moment but we appreciate your feedback! I'll certainly pass that along! :)

[@JasonFink55]

Wondering if you have implemented looper Feedback control with the advanced MIDI capabilities. This capability is so often absent on the stompbox loopers, but a much used feature on my Echoplex Digital pro and Looperlative LP-1.

[@strymonsupport]

You can send the TimeLine and "Undo to Initial Loop" MIDI CC that will erase all looped layers back to the first one you recorded. :)

[@strymon]

Hey there! Grab the Factory Presets PDF at our website, it has the settings for that patch. It's factory preset Bank 01 A.

[@strymon]

Should be able to. I think the HD500 can be used as a MIDI controller so it should be fine.

[@Andy8Tran]

What's your Melt Away preset? Sounds amazing! You guys have a great camera too :)

[@MegaBrebis]

Nice! Are those preset by default in the TL? If not where can I download them?

[@strymon]

Glad you enjoyed the video! All of the presets used in this video are factory presets except for the 'SWELLD' preset at the beginning of the last section of the video. We unfortunately do not have the settings for that one I'm afraid.

[@adamhanney]

Fantastic demo. I have one question though: every demo of the Timeline looper that I see, the loops always have a delay effect on them. Is it possible to use the looper without a delay effect as well? Or only access some of the knobs, ie. Filter, Grit, & the modulation controls?

[@strymon]

Yes, you can use the looper on the TimeLine without using any of the delays on the pedal.

[@adamhanney]

strymon Thank you!

[@OverJam52]

Would you be able to access all those functions with a FCB 1010? Those loops are astounding...

[@strymon]

I'm afraid there isn't a loop sync or quantize feature for the looper on TimeLine.

[@nicozedled]

Hi, how do I know if it is possible to control the TIMELINE using the midi controller BOSS FC 50 or ROLAND FC 200? The timeline is compatible with boss FC50 or roland fc 200?

[@strymon]

With any MIDI controller you plan on using with our pedals, it is important to verify that the controller can be programmed to send Program Change messages to change presets and MIDI CC commands to control the different parameters of the Strymon pedals. Check this in the manuals for the Boss and Roland controllers and follow the MIDI Reference section on page 24 of the TimeLine manual to program your controllers.

[@nicozedled]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

[@johntguitar]

Just wondering if the patch changes could have also been from the GCP? I'm assuming yes but just had to ask since it wasn't done that way in the demo. I'm considering putting my TimeLine in the rack.

[@stidic]

Great! Does this work with every midi controller? also with the mcmillen softstep controller?

[@PeregrineTrousers]

I have a Timeline with Strymon three switch remote. I have trouble getting a clear start and end to the loop, can this device help? Nice playing btw.

[@strymon]

+PeregrineTrousers If you have the Strymon MultiSwitch, you should have instant access to the looper controls when EXP MD is set to LOOPER. A MIDI controller will not give you better timing control over your loops. If you need help with this, please shoot us an email to [e-mail] with info on the problem along with a video that shows exactly how you are using the TimeLine with the MultiSwitch and how you time your presses to record and playback.

[@PeregrineTrousers]

I think the problem maybe due to stopping the loop by hand. This is dictated by the way I have the imeline set up, so need a hands-free operation is essential. There is no metromone for tighter timing, I assume that's the purpose of a flashing LED. What is the duration of the loop time? Thanks G

[@strymon]

+PeregrineTrousers The blinking LED on the TimeLine only provides a visual for the delay time and is not related to your loops. The total loop time is 30 seconds stereo or 60 seconds if set to HALF SPEED before recording with the MultiSwitch or sending a MIDI CC message that controls HALF SPEED. For best results, hit RECORD for the first note of the loop, then, hit PLAY the moment you want the riff to play back. So, if you are counting 4 beats per measure (1, 2, 3,4), hit RECORD on '1' of the first measure, then, hit PLAY on '1' of the next measure.

[@michelesettimo]

will you do a video about setting the tap tempo function on the ground control pro?? I have some problems with my timeline and I hope you could gime me some advice...

[@strymon]

There is no pitch adjustment, though you can switch between normal and half speeds. Thanks :)

[@venkiee]

Any suggestions on Midi Foot controllers as the one you are using is very expensive indeed...

[@strymon]

There are many options for MIDI controllers out there such as products by Disaster Area Designs (DMC controllers), Behringer (FCB1010), RJM (Mastermind series), and many others.

[@strymon]

Bjørn Sigvert As long as you can program it to send the specific MIDI CC commands or Notes for the looper from the manual on page 24, it will control the looper.

[@strymon]

As long as the MIDI controller can send MIDI! ;) Seriously though, if the controller can send the appropriate MIDI CC's and PG's then yes.

[@Desperado665]

If I want to scrap a loop and start all over do I just press stop and then record again ? Also does undo do that same function ?

[@strymon]

To start over you will want to press stop, but Undo will just undo whatever was last recorded :)

[@strymon]

Yes, you can use it to recall presets. :)

[@strymonsupport]

Hi Michele, we may be able to get something up like that in the future. I got your email and responded to you today with some follow up questions so just get back to me when you get the chance. Thanks!

[@rockroll6249]

Will this work with Axe-Fx II midi controller? (please say yes)

[@strymon]

As long as that MIDI controller can be programmed to send the MIDI CC's that correspond with the Looper controls, it will work with TimeLine.

[@coolerguy555]

This is what makes Silversun Pickups's unique sound huh?

[@KEPHALLE]

i'm no midi expert, but to get things straight: in this case the first 2 rows of footswitches send CC to looper functions, whilst the lower row sends PG to change patches/banks on the Timeline right?

[@dedatolo]

Question (probably a little unrelated): I own a TimeLine and a Mobius, would it be possible to access at the same time one preset in TimeLine and one from the Mobius to create a new one in the ie.Ground Control Pro or any other MIDI footswitch ? Like TimeLine 54A + Mobius 66B...does it depend from the MIDI footswitch I choose ? Thanks.

[@itisthomas]

what's the settings for the "melt away" preset?

[@jimtuerk]

Is there a way of accessing the half-speed and reverse functions without a MIDI controller?

[@elephantricity]

Can you do all this without the remote controller?

[@criminalrobots]

Is it possible to sync the loops recorded or something close to quantized loop?

[@MAC100PROOF]

How did you configure the gcp to do tap tempo?

[@strymon]

Are you referring to loop example 2? If so, that is not controlling the delay time but the looper speed. You can control the delay time though by using CC 93. Please refer to the GCP manual if you are unsure as how to program it to send different CCs.

Can Timeline sync with Beatbuddy?

[@strymon]

TimeLine will sync to MIDI Clock that it receives at the MIDI IN port. It is not clear if the Beatbuddy will send MIDI Clock as the manual does not mention this.

[@goldenmonkeycolor]

how did you get the opening riff to get a super deep bass sound all of a sudden? dirt pedal?

[@strymon]

Are you referring to the bass sound at 2:49? That is due to switching TimeLine's looper to half speed. :)

[@claytushaywood3823]

+strymon interesting. it kinda sounds like the original loop is still going with it. can you half speed and full speed different layers of loops?

[@strymon]

+Clayton Keibler The HALF/FULL SPEED toggle affects both the playback and recording of the looper at once. You can toggle this to HALF SPEED for one overdub and then toggle to FULL speed for a different overdub for interesting looping results.

[@criminalrobots]

thx for prompt and honest answer , Cheers

[@johntguitar]

Thanks for the quick reply. :-)

[@strymon]

Thanks so much!! :) :)

[@strymon]

Indeed you could! :)

[@tempjohn1111]

That was nice.

[@Stillblissstudios]

Amazing.

[@FernandoHStahelin]

killed it

[@guitrain]

damn this guitar playing is tasty tasty! so is this pedal.

[@strymon]

+Jason Chaffee Thank you :D

[@stateshirt]

Thanks so much Jason!! :) :)

[@strymonsupport]

Sorry but I don't know of anything specifically that may help you here. You could try asking mon the Gearpage forums to see if anyone else has any tips or products you can try! :)

[@FRUPSABLE]

Oh my god, that thing is awesome, and I'm a drummer :P

[@criminalrobots]

well....thought of it being a good idea, as to be used in our "techno"-livesetup...it wont make it if not synced with the machines runnig...but still lovely and great sound....maybe thinking it over?... ;)

[@Highmagic]

I wish there was a bit of instruction on setting it up :(

[@strymon]

Feel free to email [e-mail] if you need help at all!

[@Highmagic]

Hell yea!

[@MOVEONOUT]

we want this :(

[@strymon]

No. Without a MIDI controller you can access looper mode, record/overdub, play, and stop and that's it.

strymon why can't you add an undo/redo feature by press/hold a few seconds. Undo is a very important feature. How can you fail on that?

With only 3 buttons, tc helicon (play acoustic )managed to put all these functions including erasing the looper,...

[@stevegriffith1363]

Okay but you didn't show how to set it up? I'm not buying another thing that doesn't have a good video or easy to follow guide of how to set up all the midi stuff. Yes it sounds great but if I cannot understand how to hook it up it's worthless to me.

[@strymonsupport]

Sorry but no there is not.