Stubagful Reviews: Years and Years by Russell T Davies

Years and Years is Russell T Davies' six-hour-long advert for Prozac

[@oksanaprokopchenko2851]

I finished the 4th episode of Years and Years late at night 23rd February at my flat in Kyiv, thinking exactly the same: "oh god I can't wait to finish watching it, this shit is too dark for me". Guess what - next day my world got as dark as it gets. Now, almost 2 months later, I finally managed to finish the last two episodes, and then I watched your review - thank god it exists, it made me laugh and smile, and your cat is absolutely adorable. Hugs from Ukaine

[@09philj]

Bizarre detail: Vivienne Rook is the name of the journalist the Master kills with the Toclafane in The Sound of Drums.

[@ramblesrandom]

Silly lady... *_DEAD LADY_*

[@HiperPivociarz]

So Master was the lesser evil all along

[@jackaylward-williams9064]

I noticed that too. It's pretty small potatoes though, when compared to the cybermen parody in the form of Beth's transhuman story arc.

[@charliedawson6318]

I guess Russell just thinks its a neat name.

[@gilesguest4]

I never noticed that even though Years and Years has a lot in common with Doctor Who and Black Mirror

[@jackwarren5608]

Stabagful: WHY CANT TELEVISION BE MORE DARK AND REALISTIC. COME ON TV, GIVE ME WHAT I WANT BBC: Years and Years Stabagful: fuck wait no go back

[@servalan65]

I absolutely loved Years and Years. I love the fact that Russell T Davies has taken current events, shaken them up and turned them directly at the public, screaming, "LOOK WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING!!!"

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

Russell is good at that. Even his Doctor Who episodes are like that.

[@SunniestAutumn]

"But iPlayer does threateningly refer to it as Series 1."

[@SunniestAutumn]

Half the world is dead and nobody can form coherent thoughts as they sip poison from the corpses of the diseased.

[@bostao4216]

@@SunniestAutumn deceased kittens

[@z9ey]

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[@samwallaceart288]

Emma Thompson as a political super villain... color me intrigued.

[@sayachan6069]

I think we need shows like this. Bad dystopian fiction is "Humans are monsters and everything is shit and will always be shit look how edgy n dark we are" while good dystopia stuff is "This could be the future if we don't wake up and course correct! This is a warning of the world we don't want to move towards."

[@emeraldchiptune]

Immediately after watching this video I marathonned the entire series. Verdict: This is exactly my kinda shit. It's bleak, it's dark, it's terrifying, it's a warning. Gives me hope we don't fall into quite the same level of chaos.

[@sheep3370]

Tbh, the only thing bad about Viv Ropl being in power was the camps and one estate being fenced off. Other than that everything seemed exactly as it was before. Could be worse. Yeeeaaah, wasn't really a fan of the last two episodes

[@LI-vt2kf]

@@sheep3370 she had no clue about anything, just using big empty words, like Trump, erdogan, Putin etc. do to fool the people. Her party also „silenced“ people who criticized her. And accusing the media to lie about her. She wanted to cut all ties with other countries, therefore the country was going downhill (everything gets more expensive etc.). No control over population, criminalizing certain areas, because they are poor. Oh and don’t forget that they shat on the housing problem and not helping survivors of floods etc. (because they don’t give a f. about the people) and that’s why many people were homeless. Did we watch the same series?

[@charliedawson6318]

*That* death had to be one of the most difficult thing I've ever seen on TV.

[@neon_lavander]

Its slightly depressing that I didn't find this horificly depressing

[@bostao4216]

Nah it's allright You now have the oportunity to brag about the fact that you are a strong person that doesen't feel existential dreed with dark shit

[@whatshisname3304]

this bad dream is so familiar. it was just the same old same old. it could have been a lot worse. i ve imagined a lot worse.

[@gregf9160]

OK, its may have been "weird" but then real life these days isn't? It was a perfect satirical mirror held up to what's happening right now. I loved it.

[@alfiethomas5632]

I actually cried in fear at the end of episode 1. That family in full panic made me panic which was scary because I hardly ever panic. Then at the end of episode 6 I was crying tears of joy because everyone finally got that glimmer of hope. Basically this series fucked with me

[@spacepenguins8939]

I don’t want to say I had fun with it but I liked it, not perfect but I would recommend it

[@kimba4962]

Thanks for the video, Stu. We still wait for your "'Russell T Davis,' from start to finish' Doctor Who video.

[@anthonyjones403]

i kept expecting the grandmother to start drinking human blood LOL

[@russelltietjen4407]

Anyone else find that the food they're eating in the future is the most depressing thing about this show? Like, they're eating orange peel burgers, lemon on pizza and gooseberry and quinoa sponge! Also, the concentration camps. But also the food.

[@georgebellamy32]

I'd love to see you cover Being Human!

[@rhodriwilliams2599]

Just watched it all in a day and I’m probably not gonna be ok

[@tonyparker7349]

10th Doctor Adventures Vol 3 might brighten things up.

[@iceomistar4302]

Russell T is back to Who let's hope he brings some of this to his new tenure on the show.

[@jonathanskinner7647]

I just didn't like the last episode. It gets wrapped up way to quickly. It definitely deserved to have another episode or certainly a feature length.

[@mayflower2370]

I don't think the happy ending helped either. It seems like it retcons the entire series.

[@jonathanskinner7647]

@@mayflower2370 if was up to me, I would give the revolution another episode, have Rosie die in the process, have Edith die after due to her illness and have the tormented Stephen bring the county together while barely keeping himself together. Give the most flawed character (and best) a true chance to redeem himself.

[@sheep3370]

@@jonathanskinner7647 I didn't like how Stephen was a massive piece of shit, yet the show wanted us to feel sorry for him

[@dbadagna]

They're planning for a second season.

[@RegularCody]

Stuart! Have you seen "A very British Scandal"? It's another good drama by RTD, but based on a true story of a political sex scandal. It's very good, but it might not to your tastes, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on it

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

It is brilliant, and everyone should at least give it a shot.

[@The12thDimension.]

I honestly really liked this series!!!

[@rexlloyd7320]

Stubagful reads my mind Thank you

[@AJSZodiac]

What if it gets even worse....oh boy. Last year was naive.

[@Stubagful]

tru dat

[@nightowl8477]

You've become too complacent, Stuart. If media doesn't challenge you, why is it there at all? For me, Years and Years represents something for those of us sick of television being an echo chamber of inoffensive safety. It's bold, and the few among us who appreciate that fucking love it.

[@skippertheeyechild6621]

It has some similarities to Threads. Although that docudrama is way grimmer. I thought the show got worse as it went on. It has some interesting ideas, and I think it's worth a watch. The acting is pretty good in places.

[@harrisont2004]

Anybody else notice Russell kinda based our future of Germany following WW1. A huge economic crash and co-ellition governments cause us to flee to extreme politics, the leader of which likes the colour red, shouts a bunch and then makes concentration camps a thing.

[@GiratinaofFury]

I think he chose that one because it was a very credible scenario that can easily happen again in our society, a populist government that considers itself and no other the "true patriots" and claiming that it alone, as the outsider of the conventional system, is the people's only hope.

[@harrisont2004]

Giovanni Magnus Eek, it’s pretty terrifying. Although it’s funny, already with Covid and everything we’re in a strange chaotic event that years and years didn’t even fathom lol

[@fintan8145]

A bit unrelated but could you reupload the old doctor retrospectives you did a while back I'd really want to see your opinions on each doctor, especially the first tenth doctor one

[@GiratinaofFury]

I was just pleased that there was a show worth discussing at the moment. With so much junk on television at the moment, from reality shows to pointless political pissing contests, it's refreshing to find a show that actually prompts some degree of thought, one that stimulates ideas rather than strives to numb them. I was curious to see just how far it would go, and whether any interesting twists would come about at the end. But perhaps one of the biggest talking points about Years and Years is its "it couldn't happen here" rhetoric. We've often prided ourselves on being a tolerant nation, Britain likes to think that of itself, given how it won the second world war, but there is a prevailing blind arrogance behind it - that we couldn't get roped into the kind of fascism we saw in the 1930's and 1940's, because we fought it off, and it has created the idea that we "don't do fascism" in the UK, even though it has started to creep into politics. The character of Vivienne Rook exists to demonstrate that - all it takes is a tragedy, and suddenly a desperate people, once proud but now declining, find her words alluring. And yes, it could happen here, it could very much happen here, we have the kind of pride that makes us very susceptible to falling into these traps - even one of the characters justifies some of their actions, claiming we don't hear of the atrocities because "they worked", rather than maybe thinking we don't know them because of the concept of exceptionalism and shame; if all it takes is just some attitude that we can do no wrong to erase our misdeeds from the history books, then we're royally screwed. Also Spoiler Alert below: If they do a second series, then I don't think it will continue on with the Lyons family; their story is pretty much told at this point. Rather, I think it will continue from after Vivienne's arrest, but following another family, and the problems they face could be the consequences of Erstwhile. Because the consequences didn't simply end with the sites going up in flames, you have the survivors, relatives of lost ones, and those who were either wilfully complicit or were "just following orders". I mean, in the final episode Mrs Rook is arrested, but someone else, a lookalike, is in her cell. Simply arresting her wouldn't have ended the problem, she was just a figurehead and an outlet, allowing the truly despicable people to be emboldened enough to emerge from the shadows, and no doubt there will some taking the possible conspiracy theories and turning her into a martyr or an idol. It may take some years to finally quell that kind of monstrous ideology.

[@meris8486]

I found that bit where Viv pitches concentration camps humorously over the top and just laughed for most of it.

[@bnmbg731]

Meris Yea it's how I imagine most left wingers view a right winger

[@mandosucker2046]

@@bnmbg731 Well.. They've done it before and with current right wing politics they seem to be going towards fascism (again...), the US already has camps and it's suddenly the new normal...

[@cordeliathomas8787]

@@bnmbg731no, we don’t - a left winger who engages within left wing circles on a daily basis, rather than from the lense of the dailywire esc media.

[@menwithven2862]

Hello stu my favourite KZbinr I have just spent a little while on another KZbins comment section where I was told that "parasites" will come through the border and rape and murder my hole family. The conversation was originally about daleks but it's mad out there. So thank you for attracting nice people to your comment section who disagree in a healthy adult way. I kinda feel like this is 'QI' and some of the other comment sections are 'big brother' the gladiatorial edition. So thank you honestly.

[@Stubagful]

good. I am glad to hear it, you're welcome :) Yeah I wouldn't bother with people who think stuff like that if I were you. If they're that far gone then there's very little chance anything you say will sway them. I got sick of engaging with people who think I'm some kind of devilmonster just because I have different views to them.

[@menwithven2862]

Thanks. I'm looking forward to your next video!!!

[@Eddiebleakley]

the world on fire? bruh, you weren’t ready for 2020.

[@maxkennedy7430]

April 4th 1984 ...I think... To the Past, or to the Future. To an age where thought is free, from the age of Big Brother, from the age of the Thoughtpolice...From a Dead man. Greetings...

[@spacepenguins8939]

I’d be for a 2nd series, not about the Lyons family as it’d have to answer the Edith question maybe set in the US or China what happened there after Hong Sha leading up to 2032, but due to the ratings drop and the fact RTD not wanting one it unlikely

[@Blueboxdpod]

I really enjoyed it however I completely agree because it’s so damm depressing but I really enjoyed its ideas

[@HiperPivociarz]

Holy fuck... Stu puts up videos in which children are slaughtered on regular basis... and this show broke him... I tip my hat to you, Russel

[@Ben-vf5gk]

I think Russell wanted payback for years of criticising his Doctor Who stories.

[@Stubagful]

For legal reasons, we of Stubagful must point out that these children are purely fictional and no child has ever really been slaughtered in a video. Except for that one kid but in our defence, that was an accident and no one liked him anyway.

[@HiperPivociarz]

@@Stubagful LIES! We all know you trapped these kids in MS Paint to make your point about how terrifying technology is!

[@Ben-vf5gk]

@@Stubagful THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR NOT BEING TEARING UP AT THE END OF TIME STUART!

[@aidenweber7355]

Hey stu I was wondering if you are going to do another big finish video because it has sorta been a while

[@whoguru5]

I second this while I enjoy anything stu puts out his big finish videos really helped me get into them and would love for more.

[@Stubagful]

I bought 10das 3. I kinda feel a bit unenthusiastic about Dr who ATM. Dunno why that is, I think it's series 11-rooted ennui. I will return to it though

[@Stubagful]

oh yeah that and I wanna keep below their radar until I've lost the short trips contest again

[@menwithven2862]

Stubagful honestly I've been feeling the same. When the "whotubers" (I actually hate that term and want to burn it) I watch talk about the really extreme and abusive comments that they see across the fandom I kinda thought it was a bit of a exudation. I watched another video that disagreed with but that was mainly because he wanted things to go back to how things were in the Russel era. Went down into the comments and oh my giddy fuck. Someone was saying that the BBC are anti white, strait, men, which I think we can all agree is arse gravy. He (and I'm assuming he) then went on to say that this could be seen within the daleks as they are a negative representation of white strait men. And the BBC use nazis as a propaganda tool to keep them down. My left tit has just lactated a substantial preparation of self righteous flavoured milk.

[@finnellwilliam]

So pretty much it’s showing what’s gonna happen to us in the next 10 or so years

[@vampiresquid2635]

I watched this show when I was about 13 because I liked RTD's doctor who and it hit me hard then, when I didn't really understand the world as fully. I don't think I could watch it now without spiraling into a pit of hopelessness haha It's a fantastic show, but so vivid and intense I have half the scenes forever etched into my mind. Anytime I think too hard about the episode where Danny drowns and Viktor has to tell the family I start tearing up

[@carealoo744]

Hi Stubagful! Could I please humbly ask You, if you could pweety pweese consider trying to Re-Upload your: 'Doctor Who: 'Doctor Retrosepectives,'' from back on 2013, Again? I remember when I first watched them, but, at the time, your ones for the 2nd, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors, were taken down. Soon, it was reduced to just the 1st and 7th Doctor ones, still standing. Now, all of them are down, except for your 2nd Editions of the 10th and 11th ones. Just asking, because I remember really enjoying them, and I like going back, and watching your older videos. I would really like to see them again, if it's Possible. :)

[@nomar8770]

Who would have guessed that the future was actually worse than what Russel predicted

[@liberal424242]

"What if it gets even worse?!"... Welp, about that.

[@jessica-mh3os]

I finally finished this series, after a couple months. God it's heavy. It's all dread and not much fun, and Viv trying to JUSTIFY concentration camps? It was so disgusting. I feel like RTD took some of those core concepts he wasted on the sound of drums/LOTTL and really used it to its potential.

[@nightowl8477]

Some ideas were still wasted though. I mean, Murial getting her blindness cured? What the fuck was that about? I thought we were going to explore the homelessness relocation issue, but I guess NHS criticism will do.

[@hada__02]

@@nightowl8477I think it was to try and balance out the horrific social issues with possible (if very optimistic) scientific advancement

[@TheEvilChipmunk]

I remember when I was a kid, growing up in "Reagan's America", during the last decade of the Cold War, there was a sub-genre of sorts, of T.V. movies and feature films, themed around "what if a nuclear war happened... like, right now". I could never watch these shows. The reality of a nuclear confrontation between the U.S./N.A.T.O. and the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact wasn't merely theoretical, but was something that could have happened at any moment, on any given day. In fact, such a confrontation nearly did occur, more than once, during the 1980's. That "reality of possibility" made it impossible for me to watch such media (and I could never understand how anyone else could), so I never watched any of that stuff, until well-after the Cold War ended, and even then, not really. I kind'a imagine that's what this show is like, and the discomfort you describe sounds a lot like the discomfort I used to feel. Still, it sound like it's well-made, I generally liked Russell's stuff, and looks like it has a solid cast. So I think I'll try to overcome my overwhelming sense of existential dread, and give it a watch.

[@JoeTrickey]

Stu: Russell, please make an uplifting and easy show next, i’m begging you Russell: It’s A Sin?

[@samuelbarber6177]

See, despite running Doctor Who, Russell has no faith in humanity. He just doesn’t. This is even present in his Doctor Who episodes like Turn Left and Midnight.

[@joelmole3157]

So it's Turn Left the series... oh fu-

[@voladisco]

That's what they called 'em last time. Erstwhile Sites

[@CulturePhilter]

That’s what I thought too. Which is why I made this..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpfFiah5e6aMhs0

[@SunniestAutumn]

I still laugh when people say the episode named TURN LEFT isn't political.

[@TheSmart-CasualGamer]

@@SunniestAutumn Who the bloody hell thinks Turn Left isn't a political story?

[@meatrace]

Hey man, apropos of nothing, but I love your channel and love your voice (literal and creative).

[@meatrace]

Oh and your cat is incredibly adorable, but Cleo? Really? That's like having a dog named Rover or Spot, innit?

[@Stubagful]

she's a rescue cat - 6 years old by the time we got her so it felt mean to change it

[@casualcraftman1599]

Have you seen the Netflix Show Hilda Stu? Because if you want to watch a good light hearted show, watch it. (PS If you review Hilda, DO NOT call it Gravity Falls ripoff, Gravity Falls inspired, or make any other kinds of comparisons to Gravity Falls. I understand referencing what you like as positive example, but the Gravity Falls fandom took it to the point were it's obnoxiously annoying. One fact I should mention is that the Netflix Show Hilda is an adaptation of a graphic novel series that started in 2010)

[@peterthompson1989]

Need to watch it. Not sure if its the fact I dont watch much live TV but have not seen this advertised really. On another note did you ever watch channel 4s Utopia? I bring thing up as read Amazon is working on a remake

[@TheJaviferrol]

Serves you right Stuart for "years and years" of making videos saying you liked grim, depressing shit :P

[@sinanuluc5143]

It was like a mixture of Handmaid's Tale and Black Mirror. And I loved it. I binge-watched it in one day.

[@CouncilofGeeks]

Kitteh!

I couldn't get trough episode 4 had to recover for 6 weeks.

[@callumdalton9560]

" what if trump goes ahead and nukes someone" well the future was predicted in a stubagful video

[@dbadagna]

Thanks for this review! You may also enjoy the 2023 series "Extrapolations," which has a similar premise (though a very different style).

[@Brownievideosstudio]

What’s it on?

[@dbadagna]

@@Brownievideosstudio Apple TV+

[@willgrainger2767]

this is a bit morbid, but stuff like this and “turn left”, where things just get worse and worse, is exactly what i love.

[@dbadagna]

What is "Turn Left"?

[@samuelbarber6177]

@@dbadagnaif you haven’t learnt in the last few months, it is the 11th episode of the fourth series of Doctor Who (after it came back in 2005). The episode was written by then showrunner, Russell T. Davies, who also created Years and Years. Like Years and Years, the episode focuses on an alternate timeline where the character Donna never meets the Doctor, and thus the Doctor dies and the whole world (Britain at least) gets a bit messed up over the course of a few years.

[@carealoo744]

5:51 Exactly! That's what I keep trying to say!

[@ljmerrittproductions3188]

It may be weird but its amazing

[@NoverMaC]

I forced my friends to watch it and they loved it

[@shortangel333]

RTD's Years and Years and It's a Sin just made me realize there's no hope in the world tbh

[@picvegita]

Like the Leftovers, it's a beautifully heavy but powerful and effective drama. Not easy but well worth it.

[@paulflint6254]

Years and years is real life now

[@jartism]

That over the top factor is exactly why I love Russell, all the tropes stu holds in negative regards are positives for me idk

[@RegularCody]

I don't get the Nigella Bllarange joke

[@ZakJordan98]

Far Right UK Politician Nigel Farage

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@ZakJordan98 He ain't far right, no where close.

[@nightowl8477]

There was more to Viv than Farage though. Katie Hopkins was clearly the main influence, with a few nods to Trump and Maggie too. Even Reagan at a stretch!

[@IsaacSigmar]

Hi, I am a patreon and didn't see my name at the end of this video. Don't worry about it. Just please put it in the next video. Many Thanks

[@TheRedCreeperTRC]

I always wondered if patrons actually cared about their names appearing in a list at the end. Thanks for clearing that up.

[@lukeheptinstall2410]

It isn’t the end this has all only just begun

[@messajarjarbinks6853]

you need to watch attack on titan (all of it), im telling you it will be worth it. absolute MUST watch

[@tashtries2408]

its funny seeing everything it got right

[@ConnorKent428]

Drama should challenge.

[@charliewarner787]

Ep 1: 10/10 Ep 2: 10/10 Ep 3: 10/10 Ep 4: 10/10 Ep 5: 9/10 Ep 6: 5/10

[@meris8486]

How come? I thought ep 6 was great.

[@charliewarner787]

@@meris8486 Yeah I know my opinion is pretty unpopular. Had it's moments but I couldn't help but think the last 15/20 mins was a bit complicated and OTT

[@yosafire4982]

Episode one was not that good

[@ramblesrandom]

I'm on episode 3, and shit you weren't joking

[@bluechord2928]

I know the show got better but I couldn't keep watching after the 'trans-human' subplot was introduced. We're just not there yet. There is already SO MUCH misinformation around actual trans experiences that to riff on it for your sci-fi show that implies that this is the logical next step is really not brilliant

[@ender7278]

My cat's name is Cleo too!

[@brendanmccabe8373]

Trump not air striking Iran shows that there is hope in the world

[@simd3082]

For the time being

[@brendanmccabe8373]

Sim D 150 people aren’t dead and also the knock on deaths that would have happened if the air strike had been launched it is some small mercy

[@dbadagna]

Trump did attack Iran on January 3, 2020.

[@reubenl8810]

Watched this show on ketamine. Wouldn’t recommend it to my worst enemy

[@danieljohnson6975]

Binge watching it after this video was erm.... fun???

[@Paul_M_Bradley]

I watched the first episode but clicked off because I realised it just wasn’t good for me. I’ve been trying to work my way out of despair and nihilism for a while now and that show was like all my expelled anxiety concentrated and force fed back into me. So yeah, I’ll pass.

[@TheGameTunes]

You don't seriously think the world will be dystopian nightmare if Farage got in do you FFS...Very hysterical.

[@dbadagna]

Liz Truss wore the same dress as Vivienne Rook.

[@noahbanks5876]

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[@simd3082]

Thank you. Exactly what i need 2 watch now. Shame it include kinda happy gay couple but i suppose mostly miserable humans around them will counterbalance it. Or i can just skip over those parts

[@mayflower2370]

What?

[@simd3082]

@@mayflower2370It just hard 2 see something i will never have.

[@fabianhebestreit3240]

Have you watched the whole series by now and look back at this comment, thinking “oh, you sweet summer child”?

[@nathanaelsmith859]

great review overall but um how is Davies story over the top when the worlds a goddamn madhouse.

[@Stubagful]

yeah true. I just saw a report of a Trump official arguing the kids in the border detention centres don't need soap or toothpaste - its literally happening

[@nathanaelsmith859]

yep, sometimes I wonder are we really the most advance species on this planet or was Douglas Adams on to something with those rat/mice in hitchhikers guide. things that make ya go hmm.

[@bostao4216]

Godamm why everybody gets traumatized by simple shit It happened with Persistence Of Dreams, Rosa, Deamons Of The Punjab, 1984 ,when i murdered my neighbohor

[@DellDuckfan313]

This is not the review I was expecting. I've been watching less of your content because you seem to have a much higher tolerance for horror and creepy stuff than I do. You've been more disappointed with Doctor Who because it wasn't allowed to go this far under Moffat and Chibnall, you've been making those Class videos I can't handle, you have no problem with Black Mirror... but *this* is too much for you? Colour me surprised. Years and Years is so grounded and banal, it almost allows me to connect with and understand the scary future shit. I'd like to imagine that if you took someone from 2004 and showed them today, they'd also be frightened, but there's something uncanny valley about this series that reminds me it's all just drama. Fiction. It's a very British way of doing science fiction: what if today, but worse? Idk, maybe it seems less scary to me because I live on the continent and RTD's dystopian Europe aligns more closely with the skewed British perception of Europe than reality. Same with China and America. There was a time I was afraid Trump might nuke somebody -- the first two weeks after he got elected. Then I realized it's not that simple. Even if he gets re-elected (and he will), it's not the end of the world. It's just America stabbing itself in the foot, as usual. Also, Stu: I'd like to see your review of Turn Left (or other classic Who stuff). I bet you'd have an interesting take on it.

[@mathieuleader8601]

bleak

[@menwithven2862]

I love how RT refers to his time on doctor who in 2008 as being when everything was nice n jolly then when he left everything went to shit. Very politically aggravated rant below. This is just my opinion and I am only 17 and go to a art college. This show makes me more angry than depressed. It's not that I don't find it depressing but it's more that I'm a liberal teen that feels let down and alienated by the current state of the left wing movement. I know that the more angry side if the right use the term "libtard" as a petty argument tactic instead of actually arguing like a adult but i spent the hole time watching this having imaginary arguments with people I don't agree with and losing because they ,and by extension myself keep on calling me, call me over emotional and stupid. I know this is incredibly self destructive of me and should be thinking about your cat instead. But literally every point that was raised in the program I sat there having a inner argument with some binary brained bigot that is of my own fabrication. "For god sake sam just look at the bigger picture" when they say that they don't mean be grateful for what we have and would it be that catastrophic if we aloud in more asylum seekers instead they go on to say what right do they have? Other than the human right to free movement and shelter? Whats ironic now is I am binariesing (yes that is a word shut up) the right which shows my ignorance! Something I find quite reassuring is listening to people with apposing views that articulate them in a way that I tolerate. It's a bit like when your parents tell you to pretend that your vegetables are chocolate. Or watching Boris Johnson on have I got news for you. God this show must be brilliant otherwise we wouldn't be getting so angry over this.

[@craydogdog1530]

Grow up kid! Come be a conservative! Just kidding, I am actually a 20 year old socialist(profice pic is fake due to boredom) so I am kind of in the same position as you in life. Although I am angrier at the right wing movement than the left wing one cause I am hard left-I agree that even if it's not indicative of reality, I engage in a hypothetical discussion in order to understand the other party-However, time and time again, I arrive at the conclusion that I am right and they're wrong then I carry on with whatever the fuck I was doing. Also, does it really take someone imaginary person to say you're "emotional and stupid" to lose an argument? With all due respect, I don't think you should concede so easily. But I do in fact listen to real opposing ideas (mostly from the right) at youtube and reading secondary literature and I am still not convinced by them. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the show so apologies if I have gone off topic. Will the show be worth watching for lefties like me?

[@menwithven2862]

Craydog Doctordroobe give a go I thought it was amazing. It just tackles some really heavy subjects that I feel very passionately about like immigration and so on. The show perfectly articulates my feelings which courses me and my over active imagination to imagine someone disagreeing with the show which then leads to me having a internal argument that I can't win. Still if you have been blessed with a brain that can't out smart or stupid you then definitely give it a go it's amazing!!!

[@RomanHistoryFan476AD]

@@craydogdog1530 The problem is that mindset you have of anyone on the right is evil is wrong, most people on the right are like most on the left are, normal people. They want jobs, peace and believe in human rights. The far right are a small group no one cares about, the same with the far left, yes they do exist. Don't pretend the Left does not have extremes on it's side as well. It is actually dangerous for a political system or a democracy to only have one party or side in it, look at China,North Korea and Soviet Union even modern Russia.

[@Blartyboy]

Comment referencing how the show didn't mention covid something something aged poorly haha

[@johnconstable8512]

boring tv series

[@Bryce_C.]

It was actually entertaining but it was trying to push the gay agenda too much.

[@jedisalsohere]

lmao