Studiologic Numa X Piano 88, a flawed Stage Piano or the best Stage MIDI Controller

Studiologic finally did it: my dream Stage MIDI Controller. With my already mature setup for iPad, with so many great App's available, simple one cable USB connection working flawlessly, the Numa X 88 is probably the only solution available at any price point. Why?
-Audio and MIDI interface via USB; Standard MIDI; 4 channel mixer; Pitch and modulation sticks; aftertouch; 14 kgs with metal construction; space for two iPads on top, magnetically attached; Enough assignable knobs and pedals; all in a 88 keys keyboard, while not being the best, works wonderfully for me ( perfect dynamics, heavy weight keys but nimble for fast passages, fast repetitions and allowing for piano and organ style glissandos ).
Of course, it has a lot of flaws, especially in the sounds department. But who cares, they’re there just in case.
My edits for Vintage Grand
-Tone 67; String Res 48; Duplex 32; Ped.Noise 56
-IFX A: Equalizer P1 69; P2 64; P3 65
- Master reverb- Room 1 send 18, P1 60, P2 30, P3 30. Enjoy!

[@davidefuzzati8249]

the most valuable review so far!!! Thanks a lot Fausto for your detailed, in-depth review!!!!!

[@eddie1brazil]

This is the most honest and incredibly knowledgeable review of a digital/stage piano. You pointed out things that most reviewers have absolutely no clue about. First time I heard a numa I was wondering what was wrong. Most reviewers just play through stuff, but you, you actually stop and fully inspect the why’s and how’s of what’s really going on. The best Sit👏👏 I wish every “reviewer on KZbin” had a little bit of your hands experience. The Roland FP series also have the same exact gimmicks and behaves the same, this “resonance, duplex string, release” are just hidden dsp effects and the supernatural is certainly a filter.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks! You're reactions to this review inspire me to continue. Still working on a couple of ideas!

[@jjptech]

Absolutely on point comment. Fasuto makes VERY VERY Smart reviews covering in depth the technicality of the instrument

[@dreamtasterfpv2216]

Thanks..i also wish that influencers advertise only products for beginners because they are not experts for music thats why they are doing this job

[@timhowes7088]

Acoustic piano tech here (35yrs in industry). I play digital pianos on stage sometimes and have never really found a digital piano to make me go “WOW!” …I’m still waiting. Your review is excellent and shows a level of understanding of traditional piano behaviour that is missing in most other reviews, bravo! Whilst I’m not sold on the NumaX, I’m quite impressed at the number of issues SL have addressed well, I don’t need to reiterate, you noticed them! There’s just the one thing that stops me from going out and buying one as a stage instrument… that issue where raising the key from the bed by just 1mm causes the note to be damped. In a real piano, this would be between 4-6mm depending on the technician who regulated it and the age of and the wear in the action. A small thing for some but a a deal breaker for me. Keep up the good work!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you Tim, for validating my points! My tech needy part never really shuts off, even when I just want to connect to the artistic part😅Did you the Numa X yourself? It is mostly noticeable when your fingers are deep into the keys. Maybe not a problem at all for some, and a minor ( but still annoying ) one for me.

[@chrisc8891]

Thank you for the Vintage Grand settings, sounds really good.

[@FaustoFerreira]

You're welcome!

[@sylvainmartin2182]

Thank you for this great and complete review

[@thetenproject]

Such a fantastic video thank you!!! What a comprehensive, sensitive, expert and well articulated review, amazing, and so helpful

[@mfurman]

One more post: I read of all the comments and your replies convinced me even more that you are the best, most knowledgeable reviewer on KZbin (I checked many). You play piano very well too. Subscribed! Thank you.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Very much appreciate your comment. Motivated to continue doing this! Soon posting " Electric pianos for iOS "

[@Vinylistin]

Best review ever about this numa x, very helpful! Mille grazie!!!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Muito obrigado!

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

Beautiful playing

[@DinoFancellu]

I got one, had to send it back. One key wasn't firing when I got to escapement, had to press it extra hard, unlike any other key. Reported it, they tried to tell me that was normal/expected. Didn't offer to repair or replace. Very disappointed with their attempted gaslighting. Got a casio px-s6000 instead. Much happier, slimmer, and zero keybed issues

[@FaustoFerreira]

You must be talking about Numa X GT. My review is about the Numa X 88, with the TP110 keybed, it doesn't have escapment . And mine is absolutelly fine since I bought it. Anyway, if that really happened to you, I agree, it's not right to treat a paying costumer like that, I would do the same, shouting out how bad their service is. I never had to deal with them, so personally I don't have an opinion.

[@1881Gordon]

Beautiful playing and very very good critique of the sound, samples and action. All in all a great review. Thanks for sharing

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks for watching!

[@zaferlamizik]

Thank you so much for this review

[@FaustoFerreira]

Glad it was helpful!

[@drepen5946]

I came just to watch a normal review but this was really educative to me. I want to watch your reviews for every popular model in the market..

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! More reviews on the way!

[@Peter88Montreal]

Another great video.! You have convinced me to go the Numax and Pianoteq route on iPad. I would love to understand your live setup, including Camelot. I have always used hardware and am going at this slowly. I appreciate the value you put on musicianship. We did not practice all our lives only to struggle finding the sweet spot of a keybed and velocity curve :) Thank you Fausto and Happy Holidays , Peter.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you Peter. Have you checked this? kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGKvp5xmrpVnmKssi=EAfJE1yTbpNkcIqD Happy Hollydays!

[@Peter88Montreal]

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you Fausto. Very Informative! Please continue your great work! :)

[@robertmichalscheck3072]

Good playing,your quite the player,admire your honesty

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you!

[@crfmusician]

clear and honest explanation.....👍👍 two thumbs up

[@cliffordmanasseh7458]

Mate, you should review all the piano focussed keyboards out there. your knowledge is very inspiring. I have learnt a lot!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! That will take some time and planning, but that is exactly my goal.

[@mazpassi1423]

Awesome review!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Did you watch my other reviews? Also working on a couple more

[@mazpassi1423]

@@FaustoFerreira will check out!

[@nicojar]

You made the best review for this piano! I really wish you made plenty of them! You're honest, you're smart, you're precise, and there's no BS sponsored by anything. I was looking for reviews about keybeds and, mostly, about Roland A-88 mkII vs Studiologic SL88 Grand, and all I could find were the videos of that one guy, who's very interesting but absolutely subjective and doesn't go at all into details about the keybeds, he just prefers one and skips to other criteria... :( Years after the release of the SL88 Grand, it appears that even if the feel of their keybed is (objectively or subjectively) good, the overall build and the factory checks are bad, and I've found hundreds and hundreds of testimonials of people disappointed, with a broken SL88 in their hands, after less than a year and sometimes several replacements. I'm going for the more durable Roland. Something interesting that I found was that unless you're a pianist and trying to record piano sessions or on a gig, mostly you don't need the absolute best keybed for a midi controller. Just a decent, durable one that has a good level of sensitivity. Which makes light digital pianos, and the A-88, more than ok. Your analysis is amazing, because you bring important and detailed elements of the experience, and you also bring good ideas. Thank you! Nota: the Roland PHA-50 keybed does the same thing as you showed (captors under the hammer, glissando more natural, can be triggered with one shallow hit), you find it on DP-603 and more recent models.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Agree with all that, except… If you are using a keyboard that is uncomfortable for you, that’s going to negatively influence your performance. No, you don’t always need the absolute best, but a good tool nonetheless, that allows you to express yourself fluently, with proper technique. About reliability, well, we will have to wait a few years.

[@dare2win215]

WOW! Can you review my worth as a person next, please? lol. This I probably the most thorough and in-depth review I've encountered! I'm subbing! I would love your insight on so much gear/VSTs: please, broadcast if/when you're taking suggestions.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Sorry I couldn't do that, I'm much better judging gear than people :) More reviews are on the way

[@seand996]

This review is awesome! Just my take if you may, I think some of the things addressed can be resolved on a quick dive on the settings like the resonance, ped noise, etc. concerns. However, i would like to agree that the chorus inserts are a bit crappy. Also, i’m with you on selecting the sound. No numbers to quickly dial a particular sound. Last thing, I wish the studiologic did what modern brands do, to allow the sound to continue while changing the sound pages for a seamless transition.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! That's just my point, you don't have enough to dive in! Especially if some things are wrongly implemented without a chance to adjust. Seamless transition seems to be the norm these days. But pair the Numa with the best software, Pc, Mac or iOS, and you kick every other keyboards ass!

[@briangoodner8680]

Great review! Have you tried the downloadable pianos from their library? People seem to like them better especially the Steinway B210 Tape. I did like the sound of the "Vintage" piano preset you played. Your playing is nice and expressive!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Downloaded and tryed them all. They are very specific: B211 is soft and softer towards the treble, bordering out of tune; C-183 Japan is just too bright; felt piano is just that, felt; A. Forster 1914 sounds like an old piano. None of them offers full dynamic range, nor release samples like the ones found on the internal samples. What they call Acoustic Modeling technology is just fancy words for a smart filter and some ( bad quality ) reverb like resonances. None of them are trully versatile pianos, with full dynamic range and balanced from bass ro treble. The internal sounds make a much better job at that. If I need a character instrument, I have much better places to look for that. Thats what I was saying in the video: give us less strange things, and one or two higher quality pianos, with full range dynamics and this would be not only an excelent controller but also an amazing stage piano.

[@SachaHeck]

We want you to make more reviews :-) Thanks for this. I would like to see you test the Yamaha CP88.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks, I will. I tested it. Love the sounds and the concept. Could be my prefered main live keyboard, but...don't like the stiffness and unrealistic weight and response of keys. Many people do, its subjective.

[@pianistjustforfun]

@@FaustoFerreira CP88 (also YC88): "stiffness and unrealistic weight and response of keys" I totally agree!

[@michaelhglnd]

Before you edited this so much I liked it much better, especially regarding the keyboard action as a controller and the compatibility with iPad's version of Ravenscroft. Still, your review is appreciated.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks for watching! But I didn't get it "Before you edited this so much...". What edits are you referring to?

[@amitev]

Thank you for the unbiased and honest opinion!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks for watching! Far from perfect, both the gear and the review! I just felt the need to address some negative and positive points that nobody seems to include in their reviews, in this or other similar gear. Weighing the pros and cons, Numa X 88 clearly wins IMHO.

[@amitev]

@@FaustoFerreira have you tried the wooden (GT) version? In my opinion it feels more closer to an acoustic keyboard, but weights around 22 kg.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@amitev I did try the GT, its better but didnt have the oportunity to test it deeply. The Weight is unnaceptable for me. Believe me, going from 14 to 22 kgs makes a HUGE diference. Money was not the reason here. Weight was! If not, I would buy a Kawai MP11 SE, best keys on a digital piano/controller ever! Sold my Kawai MP7SE exactlly because of the weight. After two years carrying it around, my back was not happy any more.

[@user-po6pk2qu4u]

Glad I came across your review, exactly what I was looking for, thank you! I just did an extensive stage paino test, but the Numa X and GT were not there. The Yamaha P 525 (new Grand Touch S keybed, quite a difference with the older P515 keybed)was the winner for me in terms of touch and playing experience, the best stage piano keybed I ever played, but it has no pitch bend controls and mediocre extra sounds. . Oh how difficult it is to find an ideal instrument suitable for home and on stage. If you have any suggestions please let me know, I may have missed another instrument.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Unfortunatelly even other very interesting propositions miss the modulation/pitch wheels. Kawai Mp7SE is getting old now, still amazing keyboard, good piano sounds ( Mp11se is not portable at all ) Other choices: Kurzweil Sp7 Grand, Dexibell Vivo S10... and that's it:( for keyboards combining Mod/pitch wheel, good controller capabilities, low weight, good keyboard action, and acceptable piano sounds, that doesn't look and feels like a toy. The Numa X ticks all of the boxes, being one of the lightest and more affordable of this short list. If you find out something I don't, please let me know! Merry christmas!

[@user-po6pk2qu4u]

@@FaustoFerreira Yes, I can still explore the Dexibell S10, unfortunately it is quite pricey, but a good package. Not available anywhere near me by the way. And as you say elsewhere in your comments, it would be nice if Kawai finally announced the MP12. I'm definitely going to give the numa X a try despite the shortcomings you discuss in your video. Thank you, Merry Christmas to you too!

[@tonylancer7367]

Like many of the comments above and below me, Mr. Ferreira, this review is absolutely wonderful. I'm very impressed with how you dive into the details of the market talk "acoustic modelling technology with realistic sympathetic resonance" and show that it's nonsense and especially helpful for people like myself who almost never played a real grand piano. I remember looking at this board and thinking that because the keys are not graded, it's going to be a problem, but it seems that even for you, it's the least of your worries, so I wonder how do you compare this to (I know I sound silly doing this but do forgive me) a P-125 (GHS) action? It's the action I know best (because I've played it for quite a while), and I haven't had a chance to play other weighted actions (That's somewhat of a lie, I've played a Nord Piano 5, and that action there, not sure what it is, but it is super amazing, but I only played it for about 20 minutes in the shop when they allowed me to). I feel maybe faders would work better than rotary encoders, it's probably just me, but maybe the encoders are inspired by the Nord keyboards. Again, great video, looking forward to other videos you make!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks for your words! The P125 feels more plasticy in the sense that you feel more artificial tension than real mass inertia, which is what you get with the Numa X. Of course there's much more than that, but you have to wait for my next video!

[@DavidIzquierdoAzzouz]

19:00 very interesting you've already noticed that, it's actually one of the many reasons I've returned my X GT and replaced by the FP90x, the PHA50 behaves better for piano playing IMO, also I've found whites and blacks are better balanced in the latter despite having the same pivot length almost. Sounds are kinda poor also, but that's secondary for me since I wanted it as a MIDI controller mainly. Thanks for the nice and honest review btw

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! In fact, just changing the positioning of the sensors makes a big diference. Maybe putting the sensors over the hammer stick instead of under the keys adds a bit of construction complexity, but Kawai did it in the medium range MP7SE and others. And Nord adopted it for its flagship piano, Nord Grand! ( with some modifications, mainly removing the escapment and giving it a hard bottom.

[@rasputozen]

Best review I've seen on this! One thing I've always found missing from digital piano reviews though is comparing the midi response between keyboards. The keys on every digital piano are ultimately generating values between 0 and 127 to simulate the "velocity" of a hammer strike on a real piano. And then that 7-bit value is fed to a synthesizer to make a sound. So it's really among the most critical features and functions of any digital piano, and yet it rarely gets more than cursory attention. Every digital piano goes about this differently, and many don't even hit all 128 values! It would be nice to see a head-to-head between keyboards with their midi-outs plugged into midi monitor software (there are many free ones) to see how well, and under what conditions, they trigger those 128 values.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! What I've seen in other reviews is that the keyboard response is allways treated with subjective or simplistic terms: like/dislike ; heavy/light; escapment/no escapment; balanced/unbalenced. While in the end it is allways a subjective affair, I tryed to bring some objectiveness to the table, specifically the characteristics that allows us to use proper piano technics. I've done those Midi tests. While Midi range is only 7 bits, 128 values ( including 0 ), the velocity gathered originaly from the keyboard is unlimited , it is the translation, or velocity curve that can go wrong. The problem is that most velocity curves are presets, with simple options like light/medium/heavy. The curves should allow for more complex editing, as diferent software/modules respond diferentely. Thankfully, Numa X has a further value editing for adjusting sensitivity, and comes allready very well balanced on the majority of the software I use. My usual setting is SOFT/ KBD sensitivity -9%, wich makes me fight in a very natural way to reach 127, while helping me to keep my overall playing very fluid.

[@rasputozen]

You're right that the translation from the analog hammer simulation to the digital 7-bit value is what's important. And that's what I think should be tested. The velocity curve is critical too as you point out, and having the ability to adjust it easily to accommodate different techniques, playstyles, feel and software can be critical for some applications. Still, the actual sensors can be lacking and won't use the full dynamic range of velocities (128) (though internally as you point out, the raw translation could be much higher than 128 before it gets normalized to 0-127 at MIDI-OUT), or won't have a consistent enough sensitivity across its range to map to a pressure-range that a normal player would exert on the keys. Many keyboards have trouble with a natural pianissimo, and in this review it seemed like the GT X can have this problem at least for some patches. Ideally, in a balanced velocity curve, the lightest press will yield a 1 and the heaviest a 127. Of course all players will have different expectations for what "lightest" and "heaviest" mean there, but I think experienced players testing this aspect will be able to determine if it's hitting all of the values in a proper way for most players, with no velocity gaps being skipped or overly finicky to hit.@@FaustoFerreira

[@FaustoFerreira]

@rasputozen I got hooked to photography recently, and can make an analogy to dynamic range: while pictures top on pure white of paper or maximum luminosity from a screen, even in HDR, the real world light has no limit ( maybe sun light?). The same way, an acoustic piano doesn't have a limit ( maybe Conan smashing a key with his axe? ). However, with a top velocity of 127 and maximum decibells ( electronically they don't even relate to acoustics ) you will have to define where to draw the limit. This is where it gets impossible to fully simulate an acoustic instrument, it will allways be a compromise. That's why it's important to have the most editing possiblities, at least you should be able to adjust the curve and its fortissimo (127) limit to your own preference, and that's highly subjective! As for pianissimos, I don't see a reason to screw that one: zero is zero. And that is also true for acoustic pianos: there is a point where the note doesn't sound anymore, and that's a very objective reference.

[@rasputozen]

Yes, you're right that 127 will always be an arbitrary maximum compared to the infinite response of an acoustic. However, you and I as musicians know that there's a point (more or less) where hitting the string harder makes no more musical sense, and you're mostly just damaging the instrument. We can call that 127. Likewise, 0 would be the highest amount of pressure that DOESN'T trigger a hammer release (and consequently makes no sound). Now what should the other 126 values be? The obvious answer is the equal subdivided steps from those 0 and 127 velocities defined above. This is what a neutral, default velocity curve should be. It would demonstrate the full dynamic range of the keyboard's velocity response (normalized to 127 steps). Of course other velocity curves that focus in on certain subsets of the full dynamic range can be useful (and it would be a nice feature to include), but they don't replace a neutral, full dynamic range curve, which is critical for using the keyboard as a midi controller with external synths, where any bias to any part of the full 128 value spectrum results in a limitation on the external synth's expression.@@FaustoFerreira

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@rasputozen Is it that simple? I raise a question. Is mathemathically linear velocity curve perceived as linear to us? Are acoustic instruments, linear? Lets explore this. I'll come back to you when I have some conclusions.

[@InciensoWorship]

I own the Numa X Piano GT and im happy with the keybed action. Yes i agree with you about the internal sounds i give it a 6.5/10. I believe they are good for back up if my macbook goes down which i use MainStage 3 as my main sound, i use pianos like Noire, omnisphere, keyscape ect. This keyboard is king as a midi controller. Best out there. I give it a 10/10 for midi controller use and a 6.5/10 for internal sound use.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks for sharing!

[@InciensoWorship]

@@FaustoFerreira Great video tho 🙌

[@alexp2082]

Hi! Could you please say if the knobs and mod sticks can be programmed to work in DAW and Kontakt? Ty

[@jjptech]

Hello... Me again... After testing the X Piano today, your review title made a LOT of sense. It is definitely flawed stage piano, but the best midi controller I've ever played. The organ sounds and it's vibrato/rotary makes me want to drill my ears. Even the worst cheapest organ plugin you can imagine is better than the organs included on the Numa. The pianos are descent and have a nice character to it, pianos are definitely usable but no more than that. Now, in the hardware section, I started to hate the keys on my good old Sutdiologic SL73, this keys are way WAY easier to play, even that they are not lighter, they have way les inertia and the keys feel more solid. The onboard audio interface is awesome too. Compared to any midi controller, this is the top of the top. Compared to any stage piano, the sounds are just toys.

[@jjptech]

I have to add that the "rotary" on the organs is just some kind of vibrato joke. I am still thinking if upgrading my SL73 worth it. Or I just stick to the iPad

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks! Good to know I'm not alone in my evaluations!

[@FaustoFerreira]

It's true. But these keys are very good for piano, but less so for organ. Use a cheap 61 keys controller and your iPad for organ playing! Check my review for Hammond on iOS

[@RadekPilich]

Quite educational, thanks. As a synth guy, I was quite dumbfounded about the piano parameters effect on sound. Now I understand why. Btw. my Numa has quite a lot of resonance in the steel cover, so it's not only the keys being noisy, it's the piano cover itself resonating in my case.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Its true, the Numa X 73 has a little less and diferent resonance than the 88, because the cover is obviously smaller, and everything is more compact.

[@kurzweilshiromako]

Thank you for your detailed review. The best digital piano ever for me was the Kurzweil K2600. Despite the only 4MB samples,16-bit D/A and only 3 velocity layers, the velocity curve and sound source were adjusted properly, so I was able to play very comfortably. I still own it, but I don't want to take it with me anymore because it's too heavy to take to gigs and I'm worried about it breaking down when I move it. I decided to buy a Dexibell SX-7 instead and use the keyboard at the site. The SX-7 sounds great, but I found that I had to fine-tune the velocity curve to match the keyboard to get the results I wanted. I don't have that kind of time at a real gig. Therefore, I am considering purchasing Numa X Piano.This review was a good reference for that.Thanks.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks for your comment! Kurzweil, Yes!!! They where the most playable, advanced, tweakable, better sounding keyboards at that time. It's a pitty they couldn't keep up. I must say though, that their triple Strike piano still sounds fantastic. With some clever VAST programing I could get amazingly realistic pianos with amazing playablity, hearing some recordings of old concerts today I couldn't believe how good they where. There where something about its overall sound quality that allways melted my heart. And VAST was and IS almost infynit in its possiblities. I used the PC3 a lot, that allready was 24 bit. PC3 and K2600 are still amazing instruments today!

[@kurzweilshiromako]

I also own a PC3, but I prefer the K2600. Similar to what you said, I also think VAST is still the best system. What do you think of the current Kurzweil, K2700 and PC4? Do you think the quality is worth the price?

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@kurzweilshiromako I think they are priced very well, actually. However, other brands developed on their less intimidating architectures, achieving good results without being so overwhelming complex to use. Kurzweil felt behind for a few years, specially about sample memory. PC3 was still using the old samples sizes when all others where getting to the GBs. VAST was not greatly improved, or made simpler to use. Now they release their SP7 Grand with Authentic Timbre Synthesis Technology, parting away from VAST, instead of perfecting VAST and improving its UI. But the real reason I didn’t get a K2700 was only the weight: 20 years ago I would go for it, as I did, but now, every keyboard I use has to weight less than 16 KGs. If I had this rule 20 years ago, maybe my back would still be fit, so an advice for younger pianists/keyboardists: protect your back, you will always need it until you don’t! If they launch a K2700 or k2800 76 or 61 I will get one for sure! And the PC4 just looks and feels cheap, hardware and keyboard, although the sound and power is there.

[@kurzweilshiromako]

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you for your kind reply. I completely agree with your opinion. VAST used to be a revolutionary system, but it's dying out due to UI and manual inadequacies. Many of the functions added from K2600 to PC3 were not explained in the manual. Considering the size of their company, I think it's inevitable that they can't devote a lot of development resources to that, but it's very disappointing. I'm an amateur musician living in Japan. Twenty years ago, I took the K2600 with me wherever I went, playing all genres of music, including rock, pop, R&B, and fusion. When I repaired a K2600 due to a broken mainboard 5-6 years ago, I was told that it might not be possible to repair it in the future because there were no parts. Since then I have been looking for a replacement instrument. It can be played properly as a piano, the other sounds are also practical, and it can also be used as a controller. The closest is the Nord Stage, but the Nord's piano is less appealing. The rest were Kronos?, Montage?, and Fantom?, all of which I couldn't buy due to the quality of the keyboard or the weight. I'm not a classically trained piano player, and I don't have the opportunity to play solo, so I don't need an 88-key keyboard. There is no resistance to covering the lack of range with the transpose button. Rather, a lightweight body that is easy to carry, an easy-to-operate interface, and a high-quality keyboard (aftertouch is also a must) are more important. Considering them, I think the combination of Numa X Piano73 and iPad that you suggested in the video is the best. thank you.

[@mfurman]

Great review, as others said. You tell how things are and pay attention to details (I very much care about key noise). I am curious if you have any experience with Yamaha P-515. I would be very much interested in comparison of NWX action with Fatar actions. I only use piano sounds.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks for your comment! Only tried NW-GH3 on CP and YC88. They feel stiff to me, cannot play fluently on them, and I usually play on different acoustic pianos, even concert ones, some lighter some harder, but the NW-GH3 feels unrealistically heavier then all of them. I know NWX is a little different, maybe lighter, more similar to Fatar TP400W. Heavier keys doesn’t necessarily mean better. Hope that helps.

[@mfurman]

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you for your insights.

[@woeye3251]

Thank you so much for this review. I have the 73 version for portability reasons. It's basically my travel piano when I am not at home. For whatever reason there are no fully weighted 73 key midi controllers out there - so the Numa X 73 was a no brainer for me. And I agree that the internal sounds are meh. But it's manageable with the iPad as a sound module. I wonder, however, how the new Stage 4 compares. Because afaik it also uses the new Fatar TP110. But has much better onboard sounds.

[@josuter3808]

Could you expand on using the iPad as a sound module? Is there an app? Is it expandable? Is the iPad connected in-line with the computer interface?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Well, I guess that for more than 4000€ you will get something amazing :) Sound wize there's no comparisson, the Nord is the top, for hardware keyboards. But pair your Numa with the best of iOS and it smokes the Nord! Pianoteq, Ravenscroft, Neo Soul Keys, Hammond B3X, thousands of amazing powerfull synths, we are finally arriving there!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Just wait for my next video, I will try to help begginers to start this journey through iOS music.

[@bomlemons]

Many thanks!! for a great review. A lot of details that you mention about the keybed and key action are very useful. I looking for 73keys with built-in audio interface that can provide the good piano hammer action. I don’t care the sound onboard too. And Numa X 73 is my top list now. So, I would like to ask your opinion. Are you still satisfied with the Numa x? Or is there something more interesting that I should look at? Have you ever compared with the keybed on yamaha cp/yc 73? Thanks!!!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks! I tryed them all, I prefer YC in every aspect except for the keybed. But I prefered Numa X keybed. So I bought Numa X, and still happy with it. I'm using Numa X + Nord Stage 3 Compact, but if Yamaha would have a YC 73 or 76 with semiweighted keys that would have been my choice over the Nord. YC 88 is too heavy for me, both keybed ( I would call it stiff and unconfortable )and overrall weight. I see the YC61 as a good complement for the Numa X, with a averral weight similar to just one YC/CP 88, or one Numa X GT. I would also consider Kurzweil SP7 Grand, with the same TP110 keybed and 16kgs. But Numa X is still winning for me.

[@bomlemons]

@@FaustoFerreira That's nice. You made my decision so much easier. Cheers!!😁😁

[@FaustoFerreira]

@bomlemons Glad I could help!

[@crfmusician]

is there any sound quality difference between this piano and the GT ? or it just the weight ? planing to buy it, but still hesitate between this and the GT

[@arikast]

Excellent information, thank you!! Like you, I never liked Fatar actions (except on the Nord Stage 88, for some reason that one is great). I'm considering Numa X now based on your video. I wondered if you tried Roland's PHA-4 action as found in RD-88 or FP30X? I ask because while I've never tried the Numa X (I tried the GT, but not the non-GT), I did try the Roland FP30X which has the same action as RD-88, and I thought it was excellent. Not great for repeated notes, but great for "throwing" the hammer without having to fully press into the key, like you said for Numa, and well balanced so even though the keys are heavy, they require very little effort to push. The RD-88 also has built-in audio interface, like the Numa, and I also really appreciated the longer pivot length of Roland's keys. Here in the US the RD-88 is considerably cheaper too, so I wondered if you had any thoughts about the Numa TP/110 action versus the Roland PHA-4. I unfortunately have not found a store that carries the non-GT version to try. (Incidentally I did not like the GT action much, I thought the keys had too much resistance). I'm leaning towards the Roland, but wondered if you've tried them both. Sound is not important, will use the audio interface. Mainly concerned with the action.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Glad you give my advice such a great credit, but in the end only you can choose whats best for you. I had the same dilema, and here they cost more or less the same. I also like RD-88, the keys are also good, but I never felt connected with them. I felt this connection imediately when I first tryed the Numa X, and I still do. But this is subjective, you have to try it for yourself. All the positive points coming from the most objective possible analisys means nothing if you don't connect with the instrument. I also prefer the deeper body of Numa, it allows me to sit my iPad on it. And because it's metal construction, it even glues magneticaly to it! And you have great accessorys to old your laptop and a great music stand. The Roland feels and looks like a cheap plastic toy, although I know it's a proper instrument. Numa X just looks and feels a little bit better. The 4 ins also played a big role in my decision, it's handy on stage and even in the studio. Sound wise, the Roland has great synths, good Rhodes, but their ac. pianos... More expression pedals is also important on the Numa. But overall, I can not say that one is a better value than the other. I just made my choice. Now you have to make yours.

[@arikast]

@@FaustoFerreira Thanks for that context around your decision. Totally agree with you about poor quality of RD-88 accoustic piano sound. I actually tried the GT again today and this time liked it a lot, actually thought it was the best. So now am leaning towards either that or the non-GT, but would have to buy non-GT blind since I haven't found a place to try it. I hate to buy and return, but may have to. Would you consider the feel of GT vs non-GT to be somewhat similar? BTW regarding your gripe about the internal audio interface overriding your external one: I think ipad OS only supports one audio device at a time (unlike Mac OS where you can choose), and ipad algorithm is last one plugged in wins. So the solution is every time you turn on your Numa, then unplug and re-plug the external device so that it becomes "most recently plugged in" and it therefore wins. That's what worked for me anyway when I had similar issues using ipad with multiple audio devices on same usb hub.

[@FaustoFerreira]

I rate Numa x as the best light weight 88 keys keyboard ( under 15 kgs ). I rate Numa X GT as one of top 3 best 88 keys keyboard. ( but too heavy for me to carry alone not hurting my back ). For audio over USB, thanks for the advice, but it's still too fiddly. I just use now the included Midi interface of the Universal Audio with standard Midi cables in the studio. Thought it would increase latency, but if it does, it is unnoticeable.

[@amitev]

11:32 I just tested this on a Casio PX-560 and it works in exactly the same way - when you hold the key for longer, the release sample isn't applied after the release.

[@FaustoFerreira]

That's why Ravenscroft for iOS is so perfect: even if not the full PC version, every modeled components are just perfect! And on Nord Keyboards, it was the release samples and string resonance that make them so realistic, even if not many people realize this.

[@Zoco101]

Thanks for the detailed appraisal of your X88. You didn't mention that the action isn't actually graded. That is one thing that discouraged me a lot from getting the X73 model as a travel piano. The other factor is that in comparative reviews, the sounds don't hold up. I can't imagine buying a Yamaha CK88/61, but its sounds blow away the Studiologic X models in my opinion. Since I can't get the exact action or the exact set of sounds I want in a 73-key piano, I bought the P-121 (the smallest Yamaha portable piano) as my new travel piano. It has the same modest GHS action (graded at least) as the CK88, a basic set of features, nice built in speakers and a pretty CFiii piano tone which I'm well acquainted with. It's very cheap compared to all the stage pianos, and it weighs just 10kg. I know that a lot of people hate the GHS action (I did too) but it is better implemented in the P-121 than say on the P-45. I have played them side by side. There are better actions, but it has improved. If you can comment on the non-graded aspect of the Studiologic X73/88, that would be very welcome. I play a lot of ragtime and stride effects, so I'm very curious about how to avoid thumping excessively without a graded action.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Remember Roland A90? Great keys right? When I bought the RD700 ( the original one), with graded action, I was so pissed, this turned out to be a big downgrade! Since then I've been comparing graded vs non graded and it doesn't seem to matter that much, in any case. The same for the escapment effect: they are all fake implementations, that doesn't feel at all like the real escapment on real pianos. What really matters is if geometry of the keys fit your playing style, and the velocity curves available and precision fits your style. For example, Roland A88 seemed to have a very nice keybed, phisically, but none of the velocity curves where correct for me, and believe me, I tryed everything. So if the Yamaha fits you better, just go ahead, for me it didn't. Anyhow, I think we all can adapt pretty fast to anything, as pianists we are used to play everyday on different pianos, so we do adapt, though for me, playing the Numa x required no adaptation period at all. In the end, features matter, and the Numa is packed!

[@Zoco101]

@@FaustoFerreira Thanks for your reply. It's nice to get your opinion on graded action vs non-graded.

[@luciaschoefberger]

Thanks for this amazing review! I have a question. I'm sure you know the Yamaha p-125 series. Would you say that the piano sounds on that one are better than on this one? I know it's a different price range, but just regarding the piano sounds? Thanks

[@FaustoFerreira]

I know P-125 very well, its the keyboard I recomended to my piano students who can't afford a real piano or a better digital and don't want to deal with controllers, software, speakers, etc... Recently I started suggesting Kawai ES120. Price/quality they are on par, but this new Kawai has better keys. I still think that Numa X have an edge sound wise. It's definitely more effective, even with all the shortcomings presented in the video, especially in a live situation, with a band, most of the flaws that I can spot in the studio, just washes away, and end up with a very efective sound. The P125 is just... blend in that situation. Anyway, I almost never use the Numa X internal sounds, but when I do, they work well! Cannot say the same about P125. Kawai ES120 works also better in a live situation.Also better for serious piano study, better keys and better piano simulations.

[@GuitarKilf]

@FaustoFerreira Please would you be kind enough to tell me what headphones you have used with the Numa piano and which is he best you have tried and loudest I know nothing about headphones and I'm confused by all the specs

[@FaustoFerreira]

It' subjective and according to its function. Should it block completely the sound from outside? Or its own sound ( for recording voices with a high sensitivity studio mic )? Do you prioritize fidelity, power, bass, what kind of music are you doing, or listening? Is it for mastering, mixing, or just piano playing? I like Audio-Technica. Even the less expensive are very good.

[@stevec.1802]

Are some of the observations you’ve found be corrected with a software update? I would hope the manufacturer would be receptive to your review and make corrections to whatever can be done on the numa x series. Thank you for an excellent presentation and unbiased review. 🎧

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you for your nice words! Yes, many of these faults could be corrected only with software updates, and/or new and better downloadable samples. Don't know if the manufacturer is listening or not, I hope so!

[@stevec.1802]

@@FaustoFerreira Fausto, I would hope they are listing to proline reviews like yours to keep improving their already excellent technology and products. Thank you for pointing out the positives as well as what could use some attention to improvement. 🎹🎧

[@mrdavies7894]

Great analysis and explanation of you criteria, thank you! Just curious if you’ve tried Dexibell? I find their pianos are very close to what you describe, though their keyoard action is sadly lacking. My solution: Numa X GT with Dexibell SX8 module. With which I’m extremely satisfied!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Great solution, Dexibell has great sounds! Numa X GT has great keyboard action! But why not Dexibell Vivo S10 ? It uses the same TP400W action from Numa X GT. If you love Dexibell sounds, you can have that combination in one unit, keeping the weight down about 3 kgs.

[@mrdavies7894]

@@FaustoFerreira , from what I understand, the S10 is _not_ using the same keybed as the GT. Which I’m really disappointed by! But if I’m incorrect and the S10 is actually using the same keybed as the GT, I will very happily switch back to Dexibell! Can you confirm whether it’s the TP400WEs (wood keys with escapement)?

[@FaustoFerreira]

That's a good question...I don't have the answer for that. StudioLogic mention the escapment in their site, but still calls it TP400W ( not TP400WEs). Dexibell doesn't mention the escapment and also calls it TP400W. Not having access to an S10 to compare, I assumed the keybed was the same. S10 Also lacks reviews online that covers this specific topic.Suggestion: control your GAS ( gear acquisition syndrome ) :) lLet it come out every two years, explore what you have if it works for you, practice and play as much as you can. Trust your feeling, which seems to be very accurate. Don't change your mind with every comment on internet. With Numa X GT and Dexibell module you are allready in a very high level. In a couple of years something revolutionary will come again...

[@mrdavies7894]

Well put, Sir! 😃

[@mrdavies7894]

@@FaustoFerreira , from Dexibell: “Our S10 is using TP400 Hybrid keyboard with aftertouch (that is a feature requested by professional players), but without escapement simulation.” There ya have it. ;)

[@carlosmiranda6419]

Hi Fausto, great review. I'm planning to buy a Numa X 88 GT, but I'd like to hear your thoughts, don't you like the keypad action? is it to heavy? too noisy?...do you think it won't help if I use it to play blues or jazz?....Thanks.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Numa X GT has better keys than Numa X. The rest is exactly the same. Numa X 73 wheighs 11kgs, Numa X 88 14 kgs, and Numa X GT 22kgs. For me, a normal, fit person, not sport oriented, the difference between 14 kgs and 22kgs is huge! Many times I need to carry it myself, sometimes there's stairs, sometimes the parking is very far, and we allways have to carry with us the cables, the pedals, the bench, the support, the carry case itself, etc... If you allways have roadies to carry your gear, or if it is to just sit on the studio, go for the GT for the better keys. If you want the most portable package, go for the Numa X, your back and knees will thank you!

[@mruk_exe]

This is fantastic. I was about to buy it but now I'll think longer. Does it charge the ipad when you plug it in with the usb?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks! You have Yamaha CK88, light and plastic and Kurzweil SP7 grand, at this weight cathegory. None of them have the Numa's 4 way mixer. Don't know any that charges the iPad. I just use a PD Hub for that, I never use the iPad battery for intensive work. Check here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGKvp5xmrpVnmKssi=rVbimPmfSe7X0BBY

[@ekstrapolatoraproksymujacy412]

waiting for fatar to make a keyboard with pivot length shorter than the key itself

[@FaustoFerreira]

😂

[@PierreRipplinger]

Nice song you play at the beginning of this quite interesting video. Is it your composition? It reminds of some Satie pieces. Shazam couldn't find relevant results.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you. Yes it's my composition. I will launch them, stay tuned!

[@PierreRipplinger]

@@FaustoFerreira 👍Nice job! Subscribing for updates.

[@thomascordery7951]

The concern with key noise makes me wonder,how does that noise compare to an acoustic piano?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Keys bangging the bottom is never an issue on acoustic pianos for two reasons: they are all dampened by a felt on a much more solid suport; even on an mechanically noisy upright, it is allways connected to a corresponding note triggering, allways blending naturally as part of the overall sound. On a digital piano, if you play with loud volume, it is also negligible. But if you lower the volume, or if you use headphones to work at night, you might disturb your partner sleeping in the next room!

[@alexp2082]

Can the knobs and mod sticks be programmed to work in DAW and Kontakt? Ty for the review!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Numa X is great to play instruments, specially pianos. Mod sticks and pedals are assignable, but for Daw control you would do better with a dedicated controller. Add an inexpensive Korg NanoKontrol and you're set.

[@lisbonvip9172]

Thank you very much for this comprehensive and high quality review! A highly professional and extremely detailed method of reviewing this stage piano! I have received more than comprehensive information about the Studiologic Numa X Piano 88. You have provided many more answers ahead of time that I would inevitably have in the future. P.S However, I do have a few questions. How do you rate the capabilities of the Numa X Piano 88 in the context of a midi controller for DAW? Is it possible to set up a transport for playback/recording through it? Can encoders be programmed as CC controllers? Thank you!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Did my best! Short answer to your question: specifically for DAW, although you have a dedicated CC assignable knob, assignable joysticks, and 3 assignable pedals, which can be usefull for a few hands on ( and feet on ) control over synths, I think you would do better with a dedicated DAW controller or a small keyboard controller with assignable faders and transport buttons, as they are very inexpensive and most come allready with specific mapping for specific DAWs. Use the Numa for propper keyboard playing, with a good amount of expressiveness controls, with all the added bonus features!

[@martoneill]

Great review - thank you. Did you prefer the action on this version over the GT version (which I understand is their higher end action)? Or did you choose this because it is lighter and less expensive (or some other reason)? Would be grateful for your thoughts on this vs the GT. I’m currently trying to decide what keyboard to buy to go with my home studio (amateur), where I’ll be connecting to Pianoteq (so weight, audio interface and onboard sounds aren’t of much use to me). Thanks for all your work :)

[@FaustoFerreira]

Gt is even better! Weight was my only reason to choose the Numa X vs the X GT. But a very heavy reason for me! It makes a big difference carrying it around. For the studio, you should also consider Kawai mp11 SE ( the best for me, just waiting for the mp12 ), VPC1, Yamaha CP88, YC88, Roland RD2000, Kurzweil SP7 Grand ( uses TP110) and a few more. In my opinion, Kawai is the best of the best for pianistic realism, but extremely heavy. MP11SE is better than VPC1, but more expensive and even heavier. VPC1 is just a controller. At this level, they are all good and any choice is very subjective. The Numa X is the only keyboard untill now that is able to combine low weight with a very acceptable keyboard action ( for piano playing ).

[@martoneill]

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you - that’s a really helpful reply. I’m doing my best to find stores where I can go and test different keyboards out. Not always easy but very important I think! Thanks for the suggestions of keyboards to explore - I’ll add them to my list :)

[@ispianist]

​@FaustoFerreira Yamaha Cp88 and roland rd2000 uses completely different keybeds. They do not use fatar keybeds. I own the cp88 and the studiologic Gt and the Yamaha feels cheap compared to the GT.

[@FaustoFerreira]

I agree, I prefer the GT over the CP88 also. And Kawai even better. But it is allways a personall choice. I mentioned that Kurzweil SP7 Grand, uses the same Fatar TP110, Roland and Yamaha uses their own keyboards. Still, there are many people who loves them, I just felt it would be fair to mention all the other popular choices, regardless of my own tastes, which I think was quite clear, in order: Kawai MP11SE, Studiologic Numa X GT, and Numa X for the best balance between Weight, features, keyboard action, price and built quality.

[@ispianist]

@@FaustoFerreira That's a very accurate description of best keybeds for me as well.

[@chrisc8891]

Thank you for your review. I got the Numa X Piano 73 and Im very happy with it. I would like to use my iPad Pro with Vb3, etc, but the output of the iPad seems to be much lower than the Numa presets in comparison (I had the same with my Yamaha MODX before). Did you find out the same or do you have any idea? What master equalizer settings would you suggest in a band? In a long and review by an experienced musician, I found the following settings: +4 low, +5 mid gain, 450 mid freq, +12 high gain Thank you for your assessment

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you Chris! Good choice of Apps! Add Vtines ( Rhodes ), Poison-202 ( simple but powerful synth ), Korg Module ( covers all other needs ), run them through Camelot and you are completely covered for every life performance you need! You have independent level control on the Assignable Knob( left/bottom ). Long press the knob and switch between USB Audio Level And Audio IN Level. Be aware that the iPad levels are affected also by the main iPad volume buttons, so adjust your iPad main volume, and individual apps. As for the Master EQ, It's not meant to be used that way. I adjust the eq in every different situation, according to the acoustics around, the type of band, the monitoring, etc... It can change dramatically, its never a fixed thing. Be aware that it also affects all your inputs. If any, I start with +1, +3, 1200hz, 0. I also find that every Sound on Numa needs different EQ's, so if needed, I use a Effect slot with an EQ for permanent adjustment of each individual sound.

[@chrisc8891]

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you for your reply that helped me a lot. iPad volume now works fine. I have also Camelot so I will set up some ipad apps to complement the Numa X.

[@chrisc8891]

@@FaustoFerreira I like CamelotPro but I found a better way for myself. However, I only need one instrument from the iPad at a time. I use LogicPro on the iPad and have about ten tracks with different instruments in a project. Before each song I select the appropriate track in Logic and the preset on the Numa X. Works great and gives me an enormous selection of sounds from LogicPro. In particular, I use VB3m, OB-XD, Logic ES2, Pianoteq Wurli and Logic's StudioHorns.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@chrisc8891 That's another way of doing it, and the only way if you like or need Logic pro sounds. I don't, I feel I allways have better on dedicated Audio Units.

[@creativport_mike_sohlmann]

Which Soundsystem you would propose for the GT version? Thks for help

[@FaustoFerreira]

Yamaha HS5, HS7, HS8. The bigger the number, the larger the woofer. If you just need it for the piano, the HS5 are perfect. If you want it for general purpose studio work, then HS7 are a good choice, however, for that you would want a sub also. Go for HS8 for studio work if you want to simplify things ( not using a sub ). But it depends on the size of the room, the distance of the speakers, the kind of music you produce, etc.. Just for playing piano, in a small/medium room, with the speakers very near to you, the HS5 are perfect. Always buy a pair, a “Matched pair” if you can.

[@creativport_mike_sohlmann]

@@FaustoFerreira thks for help💪

[@juancubop]

Did you tried a different velocity afjustememt. Probably on the hardest setting is different?

[@FaustoFerreira]

I allways adjust the velocity to my taste. Never use the hardest setting, as they tend to be almost impossible to reach the highest values without breaking the keys or your fingers, and make it almost impossible to be nimble. I need control and wide dynamic range. On an acoustic piano this doesn't happen, because of the almost unlimited dynamic range, I can play in the heavyest keys out there without a problem

[@spacedoodle6989]

Does anyone know, is this the same piano sounds engine as they're using on the GT model?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Yes, only differences are the keys, side pannels and weight ( 14 kgs vs 22 kgs )

[@DavideRuggerini]

Could you tell me if FC7 yamaha could work with NUMA ?

[@FaustoFerreira]

To be honest, I just use expression pedal on the Nord Stage Compact and the Hammond XK5, as I use the Numa mainly for piano playing. But I tryed Korg XVP20 and Roland EV5 on the Numa X for a few gigs that I could use just the Numa, and they worked perfectly. I supose the Yamaha FV7 would work the same, but can't say for sure.

[@amitev]

Hello Fausto, what kind of USB hub are you using? I tried to connect my keyboard to a USB station with power supply and connected the iPad to it, but the MIDI was not recognized, even though the iPad got charged. I tried the same with an android device and it also didn't work, so I guess it's the USB station.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Hello! Are you sure you are using a USB Hub? Or just a charging station? I've been using severall diferent USB HUB's with iPads since iPad1, allways worked. In that case, I had to use also a Camera Connection Kit, or later the Lightning to USB 3 connection, wich allready had PD. Today, with USB C on iPAD Pro, any hub on the planet will work. Check the cables, buy good ones, never cheap chinese, and make sure they handle at least 60w and 5 gb/s data tranafer

[@amitev]

@@FaustoFerreira it's HP docking station. I connect it to my iPad 9 through the lightning interface. And I tested it with Garage Band.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@amitev Get MIDI Wrench on App Store, and check if MIDI is coming in to the iPad. Again, check your cables, get redundancy cables. All these years, the only problems I had was with damaged or inapropriate USB cables.

[@amitev]

@@FaustoFerreira thank you very much for the great tips!

[@dominikkreutz1191]

I know it is a long stretch asking this one year later but do you remember which firmware version you had installed when doing this video?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Yes it is! For sure it was the latest available at that time

[@guyjordan8201]

My understanding is the Numa X used modeling not sampled soundss. What am I missing here?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Numa X uses modeling for EPs. For APs, they use modeling just for some noises and resonances, but the core of the sound is sample based. Its not diferent than other manufactures allready do since long, each with a different fancy name. The only fully modeled pianos are from Roland ( V-piano, Rd-2000, Fantom ) and from Pianoteq ( software only ).

[@duncancarter3186]

Good morning Fausto, Wish i could play as good as you! What is the name of that beautifull classical part you played at 4:25 ?? I like to practice that! Also maybe do you have tips to be as good as you.....have a nice day !!

[@FaustoFerreira]

Double thanks! That is my own composition, called "Adufeiras" ( portuguese women who plays the dufe, or Adufe ). I'm considering some practice tips videos. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@duncancarter3186]

@@FaustoFerreira meastro....yesss, very nice composition.....🤲🤲🤲🤲...and your own....thats why i could not find it in the classical beginnersbook 😂🙈🙈.....Chopin, mozart, beethoven , Fausto😃🤟🏽🙌🏽👌🏾

[@mfurman]

I would like to ask a question, please: is TP/110 action graded?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Not in the Numa X. In all my experience with multiple keybords all over the years, I found that Graded or Let off simulation doesn't help much if the keys doesn't feel good by themself. Fortunatelly the TP110 does!

[@mfurman]

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you!

[@stevec.1802]

I forgot to mention. Why didn’t studiologic/fatar put the power supply inside the numa models? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@FaustoFerreira]

Simple: economics. Power is diferent in many parts of the world. Not just the sockets, but also voltages, wich require diferent power supplyers. When included internaly, they have to manufacture diferent devices for diferent places. With these solution, they make the same device for everywhere, only the power supplyer change.

[@stevec.1802]

@@FaustoFerreira an internal power supply would still be preferred especially in America. Hopefully the increased cost would be minimal. Never had to use an external power supply on my Roland or Korg gear for gigging.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Agree! Would prefer internal also. That’s a small compromise that I’m used to take, since I started using iPad and controllers ( they usually come with external power supply ).

[@stevec.1802]

@@FaustoFerreira yes- I can understand that in todays world of iPads etc. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@quinten5339]

You should take a look at the casio px5-s. I believe that is the actual best Stage Midi controller coming in at just 11.1 kgs. It often can be found for very cheap online used

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank for pointing that out. Still I value a lot the audio interface in the Numa X. No Stage piano in the market, no matter what price, can substitute Pianoteq or Ravenscroft for iOS, and all the amazing instruments, organs and synths, and flexibility that this system is offering right now. In this context, the Numa x just closes the loop for me. Would not do serious gigs with the internall Numa X or Casio sounds.

[@jeffconley819]

@@FaustoFerreiraso I will be starting piano lessons very soon. I have not yet purchased a keyboard . Any suggestions on a quality keyboard that also can produce other sounds. My $ limit is probly up to $2,000 US.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@jeffconley819 Kawai MP11SE forthe best piano playing experience, very heavy not portable. Numa X GT for the next best piano experience, more portable but still heavy. Kawai MP7SE, good piano experience, portable, still heavy, same piano sounds, some of the other sounds are pretty good.Yamaha CP88, good pianos, stiff keyboard, many like it. I dont. Yamaha YC88, amazing sounds and layout, but the same stiff keyboard. Nord piano new, Nord Stage 3 used. I dont like the old Nord keys, but you might. Still the industry standard, amazing sounds overall. Don't know the prices in US, all of these can be around 2000€ in Europe. Numa X 88 for the best compromisse, including portability.

[@ThomasSielaff]

Does this review also go for the GT?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Yes and no... Yes, Sound and features are exactly the same. No, keybed quality and weight are very diferent: Numa X is light at 14 Kgs and has a very acceptable keybed. Numa X GT weights 22 kgs ( too much for my back ) and have an extraordinary keybed. Gear is allways about compromises ( weight, price, features, construction quality, functionality, etc.. etc... ). For me, the Numa X 88( non gt ) stricked the better balance. If weight is not a problem for you, go for GT.

[@isaacbriefer4208]

Great review! I’ve got an sl88 Grand and I’m curious if you know how the tp110 compares to the tp40 Wood in the Grand.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks! Many people are very critical about Fatar keys, on Nord, Studiologic and other brands. I'm one of those. The new TP110 and TP400W are the only weighted keys from Fatar that I like so far. And I like them a lot!! So, that excludes the Studiologic grand. It is allways a subjective evaluation, but the correct geometry and response is there, in this new generation , this coming from someone used to play on acoustic grands and uprights. They allow proper piano technics, like glissandos "piano style" and stacattos, and some other subtleties, in a proper pianistic way, negated by TP40W and older Fatar models. Although subjective, this is my most objective evaluation: they work well for someone coming from an academical piano education. SL88 Grand is of course better than SL88 Studio, but these two are even better now.

[@joshtackett]

Are you saying you’re using the sound from the iPad with just a single usb cable? If so, what piano sound are you using?

[@joshtackett]

I just got the Numa X GT and I’m not super happy with the onboard piano sounds. Considering maybe getting Ravenscroft 275 for iPad or something like that. The other option I considered is returning and getting the Yamaha P-525

[@FaustoFerreira]

Hello Josh. Yes, that's how it works. Check my "Pianoteq vs all the rest" and "iOS music production and live performance" videos here kzbin.info/aero/PL6ZEVLTdz6SYBO7UCSLCoijrBZ99nuseh&si=WxYYuHbXmx7d4ptY

[@jamietopolski4019]

It would be terrific if Studiologic (or some other company) sold a 73 key MIDI controller with the TP/110 keybed. I have no need for the built-in sounds on the Numa X.

[@FaustoFerreira]

You have the Numa X 73. It's more expensive than the SL73 but you gain also the super usefull audio interface, and mixer. I guess if they would launch an SL73 with TP110 keybed, and audio interface and mixer, the price would come very close to the Numa X. In this case, why not going the extra mile and include some sounds? The audio capabilities are allready there. I just think they could have done better on the sounds in general. It's a very good controller, although highly priced for that. The Numa X 73 is more than double the price of the SL73, but in my opinion, also more than twice as good ss the SL, as a controller.

[@jamietopolski4019]

@@FaustoFerreira I always worry about a keyboard that tries to do too many things (e.g., mixer, audio interface). As the number of features and capabilities increase, I find that it is more likely that something will break or fail. And when something breaks or fails, then you are without your keyboard, mixer, and audio interface. That is why I like a "dumb" MIDI keyboard controller and an iPad for the instruments. It is not too expensive to have a backup iPad and almost every keyboard has a MIDI-out connection.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@jamietopolski4019 That's an option. I use the iPad and controllers to have a combination of portable, powerful, with big improving potential. Until the Numa I was allways using an external audio interface. In a 10 years using the iPad live, I only had once a problem, and it was the hub, and an usb cable, easily replaced, allways have a spare. My redundancy was: ipad Mini ( first 3 and four ) , and/or a first generation iPad air, than Pro, than Pro 2018, now Pro M2/ plus Pro 2018. As for the keyboards, using USB since then, no need for DIN MIDI. For redundancy, the second tier keyboard is also prepared for doing the job. Otherwise, an A800 PRO is allways ready in the trunk, just in case ( I will not carry two 88 Keys, either controller or stage piano ). Audio interface and hub also with me, in a small bag, just in case. Never needed any redundancy yet, just this time with the HUB and the cable, in hundreds of concerts.

[@jjptech]

Hello Fausto, Do you know if the iPad recognizes the Audio Outs of the Numa X Piano as an audio interface when you connect it to the USB of the iPad?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Yes. The Numa X audio interface works like any other audio interface. I rarelly use the Numa's internal sounds, I use my iPad as an high quality sound module ( with pianoteq, Ravenscroft, Vtines, Hammond B3-X and hundreds of amazing synths ), with only one USB cable for MIDI and Audio. The output signal goes through the Numa main outputs, and you can mix the internal sounds with the iPad sounds, plus the 4 inputs in the Numa X.

[@jjptech]

​@@FaustoFerreira Thanks! That is precisely what I want to do, connect everything through the internal Audio Interface. Do you know if the Knobs on the Numa X Piano can be used to send Midi CC data?. I was reading the manual but it doesn't mention anything of that 😕 Right now I have a Studiologic SL73 + iPad setup, and it's a mess for Live gigs because I have to connect a powered HUB + Audio interface + the SL73 + an extra control surface to control a few midi CC parameters, the iPad Charger, and the charger for the USB HUB... About the issue you have of Audio interface override., you can use the 5-Pin midi out jack to connect it to your computer instead of using the USB, in that way you will avoid the annoying override issue you are having when you connect it to the USB cable. It's a bit messy but kind of works

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@jjptech Yes, each of the four Numa channels can be used to control external instruments, and you can then assign any CC to the main channel knobs, although I prefer to use the iPad directly as a control surface, because it allows you to just magneticaly stick two iPads on the metal body of the Numa, or on the stand. For hammonds or synths, I prefer to use Roland A800Pro or Nord Stage 3 compact anyway. Thanks for the MIDI cable sugestion, it works, but its a workaround, not the elegant solution that would be simple to implement on a firmware update. One sugestion for you, I've had the same mess on stage, but a little bit simplified: a powered and PD ( power delivery ) HUB that powers not only the iPad, but also all the other stuff ( just make sure you start with a fully charged iPad, otherwise it may warm up too much, and starts reducing power delivery, that can cause problems ). This way, its just one power cable to the Hub! Good USB cables, powerful power supplyer and a good PD HUB are essential requirements. For the Numa, unfortunatly, you also need to connect its own power suply, as it is not USB charged.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@jjptech And another thing, Apple's own Headphone adapter Dongle ( both Lightning or USB C ) are surprisingly of extremelly high quality. Most technicians on stage cannot distinguish if the sound is comming from a proper Audio Interface, or from the dongle! I've made the test, doing sound test with the audio interface, and then secretely switching for the dongle, and they said it was the same for them.

[@jjptech]

@@FaustoFerreira Thanks for the tips. I really appreciate it. My issue right now is that I am using an iPad 8 which needs that stupid Lightning to USB converter with it's own charger and then the charger for the USB HUB. I was planning to use the internal Headphone Jack but in this kind of under powered iPad, the headphone jack for some reason punishes more the CPU, I have to increase the Audio Buffer in Camelot Pro from 128 to 256 when using the integrated heaphone Jack. I definitely need to upgrade to a more modern USB-C iPad and to the Numa X piano. It seems to be perfect for me. On one hand it incorporates the Audio Interface, and on the other hand, If I understood correctly, I can use the few knobs as Midi CC to control the few parameters I need to control in My Simple Gigs. Again, thank you very very much for this smart reviews.

[@jonos138]

Great review all these things plus the simulated let off which is an overdone mechanical feel to the point of annoyance, are the reasons i would not purchase studiologic. Kawai yes.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you! Not sure if I follow your logic. Kawai has simulated let off, not an " overdone mechanical feel to the point of annoyance" for me, but clearlly an artificial feeling . The Studiologic doesn't have it

[@jonos138]

Sorry, i mistakenly thought it was the numa xpiano GT. That has the annoying let off. The Kawai simulated let off is fine and very smooth, unlike the GT.

[@FaustoFerreira]

If you are not concerned about weight, and don't care about the easy USB Audio/MiDI connection on the Numa, than the Kawai its a good choice. The 14kgs of the Numa 88 ( not GT ), and surprisingly good feeling and playability of the TP110 keybed made me choose the Numa 88

[@jonos138]

@@FaustoFerreira Yes, completely understand. Basicaly comes down to personal preference. I just need a studio piano, not for transporting. 👍

[@Uri1000x1]

The Numa X manual says it has various features but doesn't show how to use them.

[@FaustoFerreira]

What features are you reffering to, specifically?

[@Uri1000x1]

@@FaustoFerreira All the features that I can't figure out how to use by referring to the twenty-seven page user manual.

[@FaustoFerreira]

In fact, the manual was not on my radar for the review. I guess I'm another lazy guy that skips the manual and just start pusshing the buttons untill I get what I want... Eventually I did it without reading the manual ( as I allways did, since my first keyboard, the Korg M1 , 35 years ago). But I agree with you, the manual does look a little bit lacking... I suggest you do the same, you might find out that the manual is usually something you should have around, just in case, but rarelly needed...

[@Uri1000x1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXOrgGuDj5h3rZY

[@anteroalberto]

What software you have in yr ipad?

[@FaustoFerreira]

If you are refering to the piano I was using, it's Ravenscroft 275.

[@ricardoterto3939]

Gostaria muito de ver esse vídeo traduzido para Português, adoraria... Excelente dia para todos

[@FaustoFerreira]

Obrigado pela dica Ricardo! Também gostaria de usar o Português, mas sinto que não chegaria tão facilmente à maioria do público interessado neste assunto. Talvez no futuro, com mais tempo disponivel, passe a fazer duas versões.

[@mfurman]

I would also like to ask why this digital stage piano (Numa X 88-Key Stage Piano) would be better than SL88 Studio, as a MIDI controller.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Again, SL88 studio uses Fatar TP100LR keys, , Numa X88 uses the much improved TP110. The Numa X has audio interface, with 4 line inputs, for In/out audio and Midi through USB. This is usefull to me in a live situation, where I connect the iPad Pro to the Numa with one USB cable, and that's it. Less hassle, less things to go wrong. Internal sounds might be usefull, in case your computer or iPad doesn't work, or just want to simplify things. You might like the SL better, who knows, each has is needs and his own preferences.

[@mfurman]

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you. Once again, your reviews are great!

[@aTouchoClass]

Hey please check the melody on Round Midnight, you play it wrong, the third note should be an F not Gb.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks! And it makes all the difference, noted and corrected for my future performances. Unfortunatelly it will just stay like this in the video...

[@amitev]

Do you connect the iPad back to the Numa Piano?

[@FaustoFerreira]

I'm a heavy iPad pro user, have two, 2018 for stage and portability, and M2 has my main computer. I rarelly use the Numa X without them. Just a USB cable and its done. Allways use a Hub with PD ( power delivery ). This way I never have to worry about battery charge.

[@amitev]

@@FaustoFerreira how exactly do you connect them? Is it just a single cable from the Numa to the iPad?

[@FaustoFerreira]

@amitev One single USB-C ( iPad ) to USB B ( Numa X ). Buy a good one on a good electronics shop. Or You can use any USB HUB to connect a lot of things to the iPad ( more keyboards, audio interface, monitor etc... ). Use a PD HUB. This way the HUB is charging the iPAD and feeding the devices that needs the power.

[@amitev]

@@FaustoFerreira so both MIDI signal on one direction and sound (USB audio) on the other direction will be transferred on the same cable, right?

[@FaustoFerreira]

@amitev Both MIDI and Audio are bidirectional over USB. And both goes through a single cable at the same time. Tradicional Midi Din sockets are indeed unidirectional, where you need one cable for output, another for input. Analog audio is the same. USB just makes it easy! Everything goes at the same time in both directions! With a Hub you can even have video at the same time, to connect monitors, câmeras etc

[@brunolacerda4611]

What about Dexibell vivo pro? In comparision

[@FaustoFerreira]

As far as I know, only the S10 use the wonderfull TP400W keybed. But that is 20 kgs! All the others have TP40 or TP100lr, which I'm not a big fan, I'm preparing a video explaining technically and objectivelly why. Those new Keybeds from Fatar ( TP400w and TP110 on Numa X ) are indeed huge improvements over the earlier Keybeds from Fatar. Wheight is of paramount importance to me. If not, would not chose any of these, would stay with Kawai MP11SE for Studio use. For gigging, Numa X GT and Vivo S10 are allready too heavy for someone who cares about his 30 years experienced back, carrying heavy keyboards. Not anymore with Numa X 88! Save your back, your future you will thank you! Numa X is a back saver, with good enough action, packed with features!

[@brunolacerda4611]

@@FaustoFerreira thanks for answering. But if you use primarily as a midi controller, why you don't just get the Numa SL-88 grand? Is there big difference between TP100 from TP100lr?

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@brunolacerda4611 The Numa X has the lovelly new TP110, not the older and horrible TP100 as I mentioned on the previous answer. The SL88 Grand has the old TP40W, not the amazing TP400W found on the Numa X GT and Vivo S10. Again, the only reason not to go to the higher-end models is WEIGHT!! With 14 kgs and a very acceptable and playable keyboard, the Numa X don't have rivals. The SL88Grand is over 20 kgs, and the Sl88 Studio has the inferior TP100LR.

[@brunolacerda4611]

@@FaustoFerreira tks. That's a shame the brands not to offer better keys in their products. I have Dexibell S3 pro and the keys really sucks. But it has infinite more functionalities than this one.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@brunolacerda4611 Indeed! The S3 pro really sounds good, and definitely is a good controller too, and it is light, as light as Numa X 73, but those TP100 LR keys just ruins the experience. Here's my perception -TP100LR, wrong geometry, too much artificial weight, dificult to employ good piano techniques, unnatural. -TP110, lighter feel, but much more natural, better geometry, enabling all the good piano techniques. Also light to carry around. The absence of graded keys or escapment simulation does not seem to make a big difference here. I play good acoustic pianos almost every day, some are lighter, some heavier, but somewhen everybody just wrongly associated heavy weight to good action, and that is completelly wrong, when the geometry and the correct velocities curves suffers from it. Kawai, and now Fatar with TP110 and TP400w are the only ones in the right track.

[@butordanmusic6834]

What is the use of the Pedal Noise? To me it is annoying when plugged in to PA system.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Like it or not, pedal moise is part of the sound of ALL acoustic pianos. Of course you can allways turn it off on a digital one. Faulty design, or baddly implemented, the fact is that all those "noises" and resonances, wanted or not, defines the caracter of an instrument. Take the Hammond sound for example: the key click in the begining and end of a note, is a problem that Hammond himself tryed to solve, but never managed. No digital clone would be complete without it! Distortion on guitars, that we take for granted, came first from damaged and oberdriven amps, not intended to distort, but by the need of putting it louder, and had no meens to buy a proper "clean amp".

[@seand996]

In addition, you can adjust the volume of the ped noise 1 click away. Got a numaxpiano88 gt by the way.

[@michaos1]

2:28 doesn't sound noisy to me at all! :) Some computer keyboards are noisier!

[@FaustoFerreira]

I didn't change the microphone position for that test, you shouldn't take my voice volume as a reference. And, a computer keyboard is not a musical instrument😁

[@michaos1]

@@FaustoFerreira yeah I can definitely hear the sound but it's not irritating! i own SL88 Grand myself and never thought the noise was an issue. Before i had a basic Casio CPL100, used it as a MIDI controller, THAT was loud! And slow. Miles away from Studiologic and Fatar keybed.

[@michaos1]

@@FaustoFerreira Thanks for the super informative review btw, never thought of many aspects you mention about a digital piano vs the real one.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@michaos1 Numa X is noisier than SL

[@michaos1]

@@FaustoFerreira didn't know! I thought they have the same action. But I just looked it up, mine is TP/40WOOD

[@DougGray-xf3hz]

Thank you for this review, at last a comprehensive and objective assessment of this piano. I am particularly interested in your comments about ‘rebounds’ on the key press (at 7m48s into your review). I had hoped the TP110 keybed would have fixed this but it appears not. The predecessor of this action, the TP100 is fitted to my SL88 Studio MIDI keyboard from StudioLogic. I absolutely love my SL88 except for this one issue. Here is a video of this action: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZC5hWN_pbJpbM0si=yEZYrc99ofXtwdLh Clearly the thump from the key press comes from the ‘hammer’ arm hitting the buffer strip, I believe the ‘rebound’ stems from this buffer strip not absorbing the energy of the strike and giving it back as a rebound. I am thinking a better material for the buffer such as felt rather than a rubberised material would help, so I may try modifying this. Usually not only is a premature note off sent but an additional note on is sent due to the pressure being held on the key. This secondary ‘note on’ is usually at a lower velocity so is not always obvious. The best way to assess this is using the ‘fixed’ ‘touch’ setting. Set the fixed level at a useful velocity value. With this setting the rebound ‘note on’ is just as clear as the initial ‘key on’. I’d be interested in your comments as to how you deal with this problem.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you for watching! About the rebounce, I just live with it. It happens from time to time but it is not a super distracting issue. And the problem is not the repetition of the note, but the premature silencing ( I never use fixed velocity's, why should I? ). Two things contribute to this: the undampened hit of the hammer and the short pivot length. Because of this it happens more frequently when you press a key near the inside limit, where an increase of resistence and rebounce effect is very noticeable. In the end, it's an issue, but in real world playing it's just happening here and then, and most off the times it's masked by the normal use of pedal. The main point I wanted to make on this video is this: despite some flaws, the TP110 allows you to use proper pianistic technics in things like stacattos, glissandos, repetitions etc... no more glissandos with the palm of your hands ( that's for hammonds ), or stacattos that you have to press the key completelly down, or impossible repetitions. The weight and inertia feels right and the velocity curves are also very well implemented, with extra "sensitivity" parameters to better sculp them to your preference.

[@DougGray-xf3hz]

@@FaustoFerreira Thanks for the reply. Yes your message is clear, and well demonstrated. I only wish I had your keyboard skills. For me the rebound issue is not so big and can be fixed with a change in fingering precision. I don’t fixate on this but it does occur and you have named it. Furthermore, note off samples can sound very authentic and almost completely mask the issue. I don’t suggest fixed velocity for playing, what I have found it useful for is assessing the ‘note on’ triggering. Also, by setting a particular fixed velocity, it is possible to review all the samples in that layer.

[@opticalman6417]

are the keys wooden ?

[@FaustoFerreira]

No!

[@briann5001]

Kawaii vpc1 would be the best no?

[@FaustoFerreira]

Yes, but... Needs two to carry it, as a controller, only good for piano playing, no mod weel, pitch weel, or any knob. To sit on the studio, it would be the best, if it wasn't for the MP11SE, with even better keys ( longer pivot point ), and more versatile as a controller. Also sounds pretty good!

[@habacucgarza1509]

I own the Numa X GT and very disappointed with the sound quality. Most sounds are below average.

[@FaustoFerreira]

I use it mainly as controller. We have now a lot of good pianos, synths, Hammonds on iOS, I really don't have the need for its internall sounds. When I do want to simplify, the pianos and Rhodes with a few tweeks works well in a low reponsability situation.

[@giannigiudici9783]

Hello Fausto, also here sometimes you use objective statements like "The Organs are Bad"" instead of "I don't like the Organs'' that would be a totally respectable opinion (despite I don't share it :-). The reason you like the Vintage Grand is probably due to the mellow character, as it is made from a quite old Steinway B and the sound dynamics is done exactly like all others, not layers etc. Sorry but there are no ''monocyclicle loops'' as you say, as Piano sounds do not have mathematical harmonics and a single cycle loop is simply not possible. For the release samples you are right, they are not a key off for a number or reasons too long to say here. The real Rhodes are all different and the ''barking'' you mention on the mid hi range is for me more an exaggerated fashion of some electronic simulations, not always true on the original instruments: I had several ones and now I have a very well tuned Mark I Suitcase, barking where it should and not all over. What I like and agree is when you say that one thing is the analysis,and another is if you like to play an instrument or not, that strictly personal and always free of any possible criticism. You can surely disable the Audio interface and keep using the X Piano as a MIDI device, if I well understood your comment (sorry if not) on almost all computers. I also suggest to test the Favorites, as they allow to select a complete Sound-Program with just one button (as you correctly mentioned to be the best way to go) but also seeing them ''before'' selecting, unlike many other instruments. Sorry to make it long but I promise to not write again here, ciao and keep playing and analyzing. Gianni

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks Gianni! I really apreciate the time and effort you employed in this comment, it is so far the most valuable critic and contribuition for my videos. I will take all you say into account. " the organs are bad" I know, its not nice the way I put it, and I might even be wrong, it just came out like that, I don't use writen scripts, just guidelines. So much to improve in my comunication! Although I have a Master Degree in electronic music, I never really worked on that field, developing an instrument, but know enough to appreciate the work behind GEM, Sudioligic, etc... and to have a clue about all the compromises needed to deliver an instrument like Numa X at that incredible price point. I know monocyclical should be corrected to very short loops, which I know its not the case here. As for Rhodes, I also umderstand that many digital simulations makes the bark "all over the place", but I still feel that in Numa they are a little too shifted to the left part of the keyboard. My experience here with the real thing is limited to a few instruments, so I might be wrong again. And I should have been more clear in the end, that despite all of the limitations and constrains, due to design orientations and economics, outside of analitical scrutiny, the sound just works admirably well. In fact, after the review, I find myself using less and less my pluggins, as I get used to the effectiveness of the Numa internal sounds. Thank you very much, keep up the amazing work!

[@giannigiudici9783]

Dear Fausto, I am glad you my intention to cooperate and not to pontificate or argue in any way Subjective statements are often considered objective or vice versa and I feel the same when someone says that a Music piece is a masterpiece and another one says it is a disaster: they are probably both wrong, at least approach wise. Thanks again for your kind feedback and keep working as you are doing. I left a similar comment on your i PAD E-Piano videos, with the same positive intent. Music and Sounds design are a never ending story, as almost all, while life ends and we have to use our time for that it deserve it, as watching your nice video :-) Ciao !

[@russellmirams8923]

Ciao Fausto. I have just taken possession of the Numa xpiano 73. As soon as i turned it on and played the first piano sample my heart sank - it was not the sound i was hoping i would hear 😟. I don’t know whether I’ve got something set up wrong (although I don’t believe i have as even just monitoring through my heaphones i still sounded “bad”. All the pianos sound like they have reverb/delay on them. Yes - I have turned off the master reverb and delay - in fact everything i have turned off and i just don’t seem to be able to get a “dry” sound…….. is this correct, should it be like this??? I wondered if there is something wrong with my particular piano and maybe it needs to be returned - but i suspect that is unlikely. Interestingly i downloaded the Numa app yesterday and the pianos on that sound fine to my ears. I just listened to them making the sound by using the ipad keyboard. They don’t sound echoey or muffled like what’s coming from my keyboard. So I don’t know what to do. I have paid alot of money for this keyboard and i feel massively disappointed right now, that it feels like I’ve wasted my hard earned money on something that looks and feels very nice but that doesn’t actually sound that amazing at all……….

[@FaustoFerreira]

First lets take the obvious out of the way, your sound system . Is it good? If you trust it, make sure its not MONO ( a mono amp, even specialized in leyboards, are usually mono ). If using a mixer, make sure the streo is done properlly, Left channel is panned left, and right panned right. Check your headphones connection, usually a bad adapter is the problem, easy fix. Long press Select/zoom 1 and adjust STRING RES and DUPLEX to 0, and turn of all insert Fx and master Fx to experiment sound without any reverb or string resonance simulation. Finally , try VintGrand, I like it a lot, maybe you do to. Numa App is completelly different from Numa X, different engine, different samples. I mainly use it as a controller. Use Ravenscroft 275, Pianoteq, or Pure piano to get amazing piano sounds from your iPad to your Numa. Check my pianos comparison here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zpmxm5aZgtCXgZosi=kTv426DymSM_i9e3

[@russellmirams8923]

Thanks Fausto. I’ll check those things out although i know my headphones are ok. The audio interface i use is the SSL +2 and I’m confident that’s working as it should because i bought it new. It may be the a cable problem - unbalanced ? I had a splitter cable - quarter inch into the AI and 2 quarter inch from L&R of the keyboard. It is probably (hopefully)something simple that i’m doing wrong or have set up incorrectly. Thanks for your time in responding to me. I’ve subscribed to your channel and enjoy listening to you talk about music and musical instruments. Good luck with everything……..Russell

[@janntucek]

Good content on the GT. I commented on this extensively on other channels and the fact is that SL need to make this machine for the player. Let us wipe all the factory content that rely on 'trickery' and load our own samples. Studiologic team: wake up FFS, great keys but leave sound design to the player as CLEARLY you have no idea what you are doing.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks. I wouldn't go that far. Yes there's room for improvement, it would be nice to import our own samples and if we could have more access to synth parameters... But did you check the price, and how effective it is? I tryed before buy, and still bought it. I see it like this: it's an expensive 88 keys MIDI controller, worth the money. And it'a a budget usable stage piano. I'm picky and go to details like you, but I still think you get with it a little bit more than you pay for.

[@janntucek]

​@@FaustoFerreira Okay, thanks. Down here it's $3K plus so as a ROMpler I'd argue it's not worth it as a standalone piano. I'll reiterate that the action is very good (being FATAR it shoud be) be if we're paying for the keybed only (and let's face it that's what sells it) then it's overpriced by half at least. The interface, locked software and other striking limitations are embarrassing in comparison to its competition. SL / FATAR have a reputation of completely ignoring the feedback from its own consumer base and this has not changed.

[@FaustoFerreira]

@@janntucek Are we talking about the same keyboard? My Review was about Numa X 88 ( non GT ). I bought it new in Portugal for 1100€. The keys are very good, GT is better but goes to 22kgs and thats too much for me. But the price here for the GT wouldn't scare me either, at 1500€. As far as ignoring consumers, I got to comunicate directly with the main responsible for sound design for Studiologic. Understood some of the compromises that had to be made, and left my own suggestions which where taken in a polite and colaborative way. Hope some of them they come through!

[@janntucek]

@@FaustoFerreira Thanks you but I'll again walk you back to Studiologic and their marketing and delivery of a flagship product. If "compromises" had to be made why lock the unit down? Why not open the source / software to use case for the player if they know it's going to cause consternation? I mean it's 2023 right? There's just no excuse for a company like FATAR to do this. They've got a track record of cloth-ears for their customers and any supposed feedback is just shelved. It's just not me disappointed here; this is mirrored by many users - SL has no forum (no surprise) so we have to take to YT / Redit to get any traction. And lastly to solidify my point, SL have released '2.2 Tines' addressing none of the programming, interface or sound deficiencies that are requested by users! I mean, what? Their release is: "Our musicians and developers worked hard to write new high-res Tines". Seriously, why? There's a million better sets already out there; again they just ignore the market and play clubhouse. Rant over.

[@spiritus.romania]

As far as I know, they don't use samples, but physical modelling instead.

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you for your input. Their acoustic pianos are what is generally called Hybrid. They use samples for the base sound and modeling for the other components of the sound. Electric pianos are indeed completely modeled. All other sounds are also sample based.

[@eddie1brazil]

This “modelling” gimmick, is just a filter on the main sample with hidden dsp (damper, resonance, noise) on top. It is so clear on this review.

[@peterdolwen]

They don't use samples.

[@FaustoFerreira]

I present here a lot of opinions, wich anybody can differ. I also present some facts. One of the fact is that most of the sounds,'except EP's are sample based. This is a FACT. Terms like "Acoustic modeling format",(Studiologic), "Super natural"(Roland) or "Harmonic imaging" might be confusing and misleading, and they are! Check it better please. If there's something you don't understand on the technical side of things, feel free to ask for clarification. Thank you

[@TamirOrkobysPiano]

Its not samples. Its modeling. Computer manufacturing the sound from zero (like Roland high end dp's, pianoteq, arturia v pianos). The kawai use samples of real piano. That the deference

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thank you Tamir! But you're half right... Acoustic pianos are hybrids, uses samples with modeling for string resonances, etc... The Electric pianos are indeed fully modeled!

[@TamirOrkobysPiano]

​​​@@FaustoFerreira also the accustic ones. Ask me how i know? I did a review on the numa player which have 4 pianos and meny more sounds. And weigh onle 30 MB. So there is no chance to have samples there. Its full modeling. Believe me. Full modeling no samples at all! kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4ivi2SInL6CqK8si=aZrHHd38IEqPKny8b Basic sample only 1 layer of recording will require at list 300mb so.. there is no samples in this

[@FaustoFerreira]

Sorry Tamir, you are getting it wrong, based on wrong information and wrong assumptions. Numa Player is at least 334 Mb on my iPad, and no, you don't need "at least 300Mb" of samples to have a piano sample ( the biggest Nord Pianos are around 200 Mb of samples). And the samples, and arquitecture on Numa X are not the same as Numa player, you cannot make a conclusion based on that. You could talk directly with Studiologic developers, and clarify your mind. I did, and it and they where super helpfull. If there are opinions on my reviews, they are my opinions, you might agree or not. But the facts are facts, and I'm very carefull with facts.

[@steffanjansenvanvuuren3257]

"Filtering artifacts" there is no such thing as filtering artifacts.

[@FaustoFerreira]

You're right, bad choice of words, there is only "filtering", wich I consider that should only be used very subtly, to smooth out the velocity layers transitions for example, not to simulate p or pp dynamics from a MF or F sample. Playing pianissimo on the Numa sounds just like that: a forte sample that was filtered by a low pass filter.

[@b00ts4ndc4ts]

Beautiful playing

[@FaustoFerreira]

Thanks!