Pianoteq even worked on an old iPad mini 4, although with a higher buffer size, and latency. With iPad pro M2, 1T, 16 Gb ram, it performs flawlessely, even with 128 polyphony, at 256 buffer. That is inside a Daw or a host like Camelot, with a lot other things going on. Buffer 128 works the same, no difference at all. By default I allways use 256, there's no noticeable latency and it is safer. On iPad pro 2018, 1T, 6Gb, it performs the same, although with less room or other tracks or instruments at the same time.

@@FaustoFerreira thank you !

@@Claudio_Cunha Thank you!

There is no overall sound quality to differentiate. The quality of the audio interface might make the most difference here. Any Class Compliant USB interface will work. In some iPad models you have the headphones Jack, that might not be the best, but the cheap Headphones dongle from Apple is really good, if you don't want to carry an audio interface. The ones included on some USB hubs are in general very bad, and might not work well with your good interface, so, use a Hub without headphone jack. As for the apps, the sound quality is different from eachother. In all cathegories of sounds, you will find better on the iPad than in any hardware instrument, including Yamaha, Nord, Korg, Kurzweil, Roland, etc... but you will have to pay the right price for the right apps. You will have to configure your rig, explore and set it up the way you need it. It can be more powerfull and versatile than any hardware synth today. But also much more complex and time consuming. The Yamaha is very good, soundwise. But for me the main attaction of those synths is the simplicity and controll part. You have everything at hand, you have a fixed arquitecture which you need to master, but then it gets very easy to navigate. The iPad possibilities are almost endless, you have to decide for yourself what you want: the convinience of a workstation/stage keyboard or the complexity and extra power of the iPad. Both are good choices, depending on your needs and your character profile.

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you very much for your comprehensive answer! I am already using Cubasis on iPad together with my MODX, and mostrecently Montage. I prefer that very much to alternating between instrument and mouse-clicking on a PC DAW, which seems to destroy my music flow. Korg Module is on sale right now, so I will try that. Would you say Earthy EP rather than Scarbee 88? I already have Pianoteq (though not the Rhodes model) on iOS, which is a lot more responsive than keyboard internal sounds.

@@followyourpassion8378 You're welcome. Earthy EP is much better, in my opinion.

@@agsteclas A primeira coisa é mudar o slider "Condition" para cerca de 30. Depois reduzimos um pouco o reverb. Em Action, subir um pouco "Damper noise" e "Key release noise". Em "Note edit", alterar aleatoriamente o parametro "Unisson Width" das notas mais agudas para um valor ligeiramente superior. Ficamos assim com uma afinação um pouco mais imperfeita com um pouco mais de release e um som um pouco mais seco e intimista. Vai depender muito do modelo e do preset.

Hi. Never had any issues with latency, since iPad 2, when Android was impossible to use for performance purposes. I'm very sensitive to latency, that's why iOS was and still is my only choice. iPad Pro 2018 can still handle a full production with 70 plus teacks. The 2018 regular iPad is sure able to handle Korg Module, and some other apps simultaneously.

Thanks 👍. Is it possible that iOS has a completely different sound design and architecture? interesting. Android and pure windows don't get sound like that.

Yes they work differently. The closed system from Apple has a big advantage here. Every part of the hardware and the OS are designed to work together. Android and windows have to deal with severall layers of software and deal with different components from device ro device.

Thanks for watching!

@@pianobis777 Here you have my review about the Numa X 88 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mperZaSfeNx2pbMsi=SZqf_nG-UEYUzwcg But for a short answer, here it goes: weight ( 14 kgs vs 20 kgs ), usb audio and the keys on Numa X just works for me. It is personall choice and subjective. Also, the SL grand uses the TP40 wood, which I don't like, while the Numa X GT uses the new TP400 wood, which is very good, but the weight rises to a back breaking 22 kgs. 30 years in the business destroying my back and my fingers, Numa X 88 ( with iPad runing Pianoteq and other goodies) and Nord Stage compact just saved me.

@@FaustoFerreira as I’m not an professional pianist as you, I changed my Numa X for Dexibell S10 (also TP400w). Since I don’t have to care around. But I wish I could learn how to play like you. Do you teach? How can I get there?

You can have Pianoteq wherever you want, I have it on my two iPad Pro, it works for me. Good that we have choices, no?

@@FaustoFerreira it’s no option on MacBook, just for iPad or windows

@pianobis777 "Pianoteq is an award-winning virtual instrument for PC, Mac, Linux and iOS. It can be used both in standalone mode and as an instrument plug-in in VST, AAX, and AudioUnits hosts." It's in their webpage www.modartt.com/pianoteq_overview?ref=cGFnZT1waWFub3RlcSZleHQ9

@@FaustoFerreira I think you are right : )

Thanks for watching!

You need to watch the complete video. I did try and used them ! They are featured in this video. And yes, they are very good.

@@FaustoFerreira I watched, though I missed that it was those libs you tried... I use those two libs and have created a cpl of different style Rhodes with variations from those.

I agree about Numa Player, I don't even understand why they bothered. About Pianoteq, I don't see why they would do it, they don't need that, they have their own amazing thing.

@@FaustoFerreira But not in their app... 🤪

Studiologic I mean... Pianoteq definitely have their thing together, that's my goto for acoustic pianos.

Yes it does, but so does some real rhodes, it depends on the model, the work done on them, the amp used, the hammers etc... I also like my Rhodes with more bite though.

@@FaustoFerreira I should have kept at least one of the three I owned back in the 90's, one of them an amazing Mk I that I wouldn't mind having around today... 🤪

@jfn467 Personally never had one, allways played with friend's Rhodes, hired ones for big concerts or studio ones. That was enough to scare me off as I understood how fiddly it is to maintain such a sensitive animal. Kind like a dog that requires all of your attention. But hey, now I finnaly have my own dog, maybe it's time to finally get my own Rhodes:) And then my own Hammond B3, and my own leslie, and my own CS80, and why not, my own Steinway concert grand😅

@@FaustoFerreira Haha!! I have a dog too, much easier in maintenance than a B3, which I never owned but back in the days we were two keyboards players sharing the jobs and the other guy had a B3 and a 122, though I mostly used my ACE Tone GT7 and a 760 solid state. The MkI that I had was in great condition, sold it to a jazz drummer (stupid me..) hahaha!! I have played CS80 too, and CS60, back then as well, talk about high maintenance, and soundwise imho, not worth it! But it is for sure a great investment!! One day when I own a house, I will get myself a Grand Piano too, probably not a Steinway though unless kidneys would increase in value... :D

@jfn467 😂 Jokes aside, a Rhodes might be the least scary investment in vintage gear, it's on my near future wish list, with the help of my dog everything is possible!

@@jfn467 Control freak! 😂

@@FaustoFerreira All midi setup and processing done in Midiflow, using virtual midi ports to communicate with AUM, and then AUM becomes a synth rack... Super slick!! (Midiflow has more processing options than AUM, like velocity curves etc.).

Right now I am sketching on a set up for all my hardware, where AUMs midi router grid will be used as a midi patch controller for my ESI M8U eX midi interfaces, kind of like a Conductive Labs MRCC...

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That would be self sabotage. Do you think Hammond Susuki/ Ik multimedia today are honouring Hammond's vision, making a bad leslie simulator? I just think some do it better than others. That being said, the Leslie simulator on new Hammond clones are not bad at all. The one on the XK5 is quite good and effective. Then there's the matter of taste, and the infinite variation in Leslies today, as well as recording techniques and acoustic environments. Don't think they are neglecting it for tradition's sake. They where far behind when Nord, Crumar, Ventilator competitors came up, but now I think they are just as good. Just each one is unique. As is each lealie and leslie recordings.

@@FaustoFerreira Not to the point of self sabotage, but Hammond was never keen on doing the best hammond ever. They adopted it later for popular demand, but not for the belief that it was a key part like leslie himself did since the beginning.

Thank you! Latency is not an issue. For me, anything above 5ms is allready unbearable. Yes, I did sync audios/video manually, because I record everything individually, and for editing purpuses, but I can assure that latency is not a problem. That's why I started with iOS, and not android. 10 years ago Android was impossible to use for me. Don't know about how it works today, but iOS was since the beginning performing extremelly well.

Thank you. But piano as an instrument is still as important as ever.

@@FaustoFerreira true

It would be nice! Motif based even better.

@@FaustoFerreira I agree, the "only" was just put in, because there is a new generation sound engine (Montage). But I would think, the Motif XS/XF engine could be more easily transported to an iOS plattform and would still be a great performers or composers tool. If the app would also feature the Motif sequencer, wow 🙂 What do you think is the reason, that Yamaha didn't do it, yet? - they don't believe in the financial prospects? - too difficult? - they don't want to jeopardise/cannibalise their hw synth sales? And why did Korg come to different conclusions?

@followyourpassion8378 I see Korg as an inovative company, driving music technology forward. Although yamaha have done it in the past, it's for me a more conservative company. That being said, Yamaha is incredible bringing the highest standards in every area, from boat engines to the most exquisite concert pianos. Korg is allready deep in the iOS business, you can have all of the 90's and 2000's Korg synths on your iPad. Yamaha sees the ipad as a secundary device to help manage or control their hardware.

@@FaustoFerreira Thank you very much for this interesting inside. For me and my simple DAW needs, iOS Cubasis (which ironically is Yamaha 🙂) + iOS sound modules have become the solution I use most, though I have Cubase, Kontakt, ... on PC. I just hate switching from mouse/clicking to instrument, when recording.

@@followyourpassion8378 Exactly my feelings about iPad. Many complain about the price of the Apple, keyboard, how big and bulky it makes the iPad, or about the pen. I went iPad only because I just love to use touch screen. And it must be exclusive, with my fingers, or it is a big mess: grab the pen, leave the pen, grab the mouse, leave the mouse, type a few words on the keyboard, manage them on the screen, return to the Midi Keyboard... And many functions you can only access with two or more fingers on the screen, no pen or mouse can do it so easily. For typing long text ( which is rarely) I use an external keyboard, either usb or bluetooth, and it is just fine. People looking for an iPad to use it like they use a MacBook are misliding themselfes: buy a laptop instead. Or have both, for different applications. Me? I only need my iPad Pro for 99% of what I do

Thanks!

You must be talking about Numa X GT. My review is about the Numa X 88, with the TP110 keybed, it doesn't have escapment . And mine is absolutelly fine since I bought it. Anyway, if that really happened to you, I agree, it's not right to treat a paying costumer like that, I would do the same, shouting out how bad their service is. I never had to deal with them, so personally I don't have an opinion.

Thanks! And it makes all the difference, noted and corrected for my future performances. Unfortunatelly it will just stay like this in the video...

With all due respect, you've never played a real Hammond obviously. The B-3X & its Leslie simulator sound more authentic than ANYTHING on the market. This from a guy with 14 Hammonds & 11 Leslies under his belt & a destroyed back. lol.

I also have a destroyed back, from carrying 25+ kgs Rolands, Yamahas, Kurzweils, including flightcases, cables, pedals etc... by myself. Not a specialist on Hammond by any means, but have some experience, as many blues festivals had one for all participants. Love to play on blues festivals because of that! Did some shows with hired Hammonds and recorded on some Hammonds on studio. You see, where I live a real Hammond is an exotic thing, with very few qualified people to maintain it. But I do know about Hammond clones, 30 years on the road. I watched closelly the development of those, and allways thought that the dificult part is the final stage, the amp, the drive, the rotary effect, the propper reverb, the controls, etc... not the dry sound of it. And I still do, although many clones fail immediately on the Chorus/vibrato part, not to mention the percussion, at those the B3x excells. The effect of a real leslie spining on our back is dramatic thing. I really cannot find this drama on B3x. Although I agree it is the most realistic thing out there, I might prefer other less realistic but that comes closer at the final stage to the drama I feel with the real thing. It will allways be a subjective thing. I'm a pianist, what I really know about is pianos, both real and digital, and it's the same thing: there's no consensus among my coleagues, about sound, expressiveness, playability, keyboard feel, etc... You can never get it all with a clone. So you have to choose what you value the most, subjectivelly.

Yes, we need mainstage, and other good software. But contrary to most people opinion, I'm glad that iPadOs is taking is own way, It is a fresh take, light and junk free OS that is still evolving. I'm Using it from the begining, it's getting better and better every update.

You don't. There's something called AUM on the IOS, which is very good

Thanks. I did a lot of analisys in university, Bach, Beethoven, Debussy, Mesiah etc... Did a lot transcriptions and analisys of Chick Corea, Keith Jarret, Monk, Petrucciani, etc... Spent hours improvising when I should be studying and practicing the classics or the jazz standards... Sorry, cannot help you with a specific method, I was allways all over the place, which means, lots of entusiasm, low discipline. That I cannot advise. What I can advise is, try to learn as many techniques possibly, aqquire theoretical knowledge, practice them and allways try to incorporate a new thing in your improvisation untill you master it. And finnaly, just do it. Let it flow, spend your time with it.

@@FaustoFerreira Okay how would you go on about if if you had the chance to? I'm not looking for an easy way, just any help guiding me in the right direction. When studying different composers, how would I do it as good as possible? And just any tip at all that would help me to go in a path of improv, since I love improvising but i'm still unsure about a lot of things, or just ways for me to learn more. And where would I learn techniques or theoretical knowledge. I hope i'm not asking for too much, but like what techniques would you advice to prioritze learning, and what theoretical knowledge is good to look for. anyways thanks for replying, i love piano and i spend hours improvising, I just really want to get as good as possible

@@qMendy I really don't have a better suggestion for you. Untill the 19th century improvisation was common practice in western music. Composition techniques and improvisation where part of the same thing. Nowadays the only serious area that envolves improvisation with a clear method to do that is Jazz. So, why not engage seriously in advanced courses and lessons from respected schools and musicians? I don't know any single tip or trick to make it easy.

If you are refering to the piano I was using, it's Ravenscroft 275.

Thanks. Wurly is really needed. I'll check it out

You get one Steinway model, with a bank of variations.

@@FaustoFerreira thank you! which one did you pick up? For modern music

@@x3a3x3 I have Steinway model D, Model B, Petrof, Grotrian, Bechstein, electric pianos. The Model D should be the first one to get, the more versatile one

@@FaustoFerreira thank you, I’ll add it to my list..

Obrigado!

I entered the store with the idea of spending 3000€ on a Nord Stage or Grand, but something didn't feel right on the keys. But then I tryed the Numa X 88. had my ipad with me. Straight out of the box it felt perfect with ravenscroft, default velo curves. It feels even better with pianoteq. No need to adjust anything. Yes, surprising, cause I'm picky about my keys

Yeah, some of us allready found doors to other dimensions

About one and a half year. Yes, my initial evaluation still stands. Everything working like new. Still love the keyboard feel, it works perfectly with those: "Best pianos on iOS, 2024 update" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpPMlaKqf9t9aLc

@@FaustoFerreira thanks for sharing!

Thanks!

Glad I could help! And thanks for the iPad air suggestion, it seems like a good alternative to the more expensive Pro version, although I would not go for 128 GB if you are serious about iOS.

Thank you! Yes, all these small steps are adding up to a nearlly perfect instrument. Full review available soon.

pianoteq is modeled. Years ago it sounded synthetic, now it's very close to perfect. Every update makes it a little bit better, even the new update for version 8 is subtle but meaningfull. Baby steps. Ravenscroft is still the best sample based piano for iOS. I just miss the extra GB and fuctionality that we have on PC, and the gap is closing, comparing the competition

I agree. I have Ravenscroft and it is the only thing I will play. I have the Piano tech demo but just can't get it to sound as good as R275 no matter how much I tweak it....

The best physical model against the best hybrid sampling available: sampling sounds real ( it is real ), but lacks in expressiveness. Physical modelling sounds synthetic ( it is synthetic ) but gives you the most possible expressiveness in a digital system. Both aproaches are closing the gap nowadays.

You are a great musician. Thanks

@@kamranhamidfar1725 Thank you!

We should share recipes😂

@@FaustoFerreira😂 That’s the only weird combination I have up to now. Hey, there is KingB organ from yonac, it would be amazing if you could also revisit your hammond comparison video with this new one, sadly, blueB3 organ is now out of the market.

@jjptech I will try KingB. Thanks for the suggestion

Thanks! Yes, these pianos help a bit😅

Thank you! My first comment for this video!

Thank you! That will take some time and planning, but that is exactly my goal.

Yes it is! For sure it was the latest available at that time

Thanks for watching!

I didn't change the microphone position for that test, you shouldn't take my voice volume as a reference. And, a computer keyboard is not a musical instrument😁

@@FaustoFerreira yeah I can definitely hear the sound but it's not irritating! i own SL88 Grand myself and never thought the noise was an issue. Before i had a basic Casio CPL100, used it as a MIDI controller, THAT was loud! And slow. Miles away from Studiologic and Fatar keybed.

@@FaustoFerreira Thanks for the super informative review btw, never thought of many aspects you mention about a digital piano vs the real one.

@michaos1 Numa X is noisier than SL

@@FaustoFerreira didn't know! I thought they have the same action. But I just looked it up, mine is TP/40WOOD

Keys bangging the bottom is never an issue on acoustic pianos for two reasons: they are all dampened by a felt on a much more solid suport; even on an mechanically noisy upright, it is allways connected to a corresponding note triggering, allways blending naturally as part of the overall sound. On a digital piano, if you play with loud volume, it is also negligible. But if you lower the volume, or if you use headphones to work at night, you might disturb your partner sleeping in the next room!

Thank you! Your channel is a great inspiration!

Thank you for watching! Modelling in general is getting better and more acurate. It is the future.

Thank you! All the apps and sounds reviewd on these video are modelling based ( as oposed to sample based ). Modelled instruments are mathematical representation of the real instruments, while sample based instruments uses actual recordings of the real instrument. Both have strengths and weeknesses. I'm using ROLI Block, two in fact, stacked together. They are just controllers, all the sounds are produced by the iPad . I hope this gives you a good start in investigating more about this subject.