Stumbling to Disaster: Battle of the Wabash

[@EpichistoryTv]

We hope you enjoy the second and final episode of our Wabash series! Don’t forget, if you want to watch all our videos first, and ad-free, come and join us at Nebula, with 40% off an annual subscription using our link: go.nebula.tv/EpicHistoryTV. Thank you for watching, and of course a huge thank you to all our Patreon supporters. Get exclusive production updates, votes on future topics, as well as ad-free, early access to all our new videos by signing up here: www.patreon.com/EpicHistoryTV. What's been your highlight of this series? Let us know in the comments!

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[@PatrioteQuebecois]

Excellent choice of date to broadcast! June 21st is National Aboriginal Day in Canada!

[@babonianeggstorm8729]

bro no one enjoys this ohio ass accent 💀charles was the 🐐bring him back!!

[@yanbaihuzxzxzx]

Hey, bring the other guy back, been a huge fan of the channel for a long time but it doesn't hit right, something off, seems like it's a completely new channel.

[@Jean_Jacques148]

Can you guys make a video on the Haitian revolution in what was then Saint- Domingue? It produced 50% of Europe’s economy and was a major asset for France. It’d be interesting to see the island mapped.

[@rdf4315]

This is the best History channel on KZbin without a doubt, i can't wait until you guys finally do a series on the Seminole wars.

[@robbercopgamer]

Yes! I am a reenactor of the 2nd Seminole War!

[@rdf4315]

@@robbercopgamer now that cool I've lived in Florida my in entire life and I've never heard anyone talk about Seminole war reenactment, but I've always heard people talk about the civil war reenactment though, where do you guys do the reenactment at ?

[@robbercopgamer]

@@rdf4315 We do a lot at Dade Battlefield Historic State Park, but we also do reenactments at Forts Cooper, Foster, Christmas, and King. Okeechobee and Loxahatchee are also field engagements.

[@rdf4315]

@@robbercopgamer okay the closest one to me is in Okeechobee, I'm definitely going to have to check it out when I get a chance how much does it cost to get in ?

[@robbercopgamer]

@@rdf4315 Just a simple park fee, I believe it's 5 bucks or something. We do all our reenactments in winter.

[@realcheesy6384]

I dont care what anybody says. This narrator is doing a good job. The usual narrator will be back. Just enjoy the extra content, cmon.

[@quicksilver974]

I agree. He did a better job on this video than the previous one

[@ThrottleUp_]

nobody is saying anything...

[@richardlahan7068]

I think they wanted an American narrator for US history episodes.

[@kevinxu3892]

@@ThrottleUp_look at the part 1 video comments

[@kevinxu3892]

This time he’s definitely given me George Washington doing a grand speech vibes

[@megathicc6367]

I like the underated early us history. I hope you guys do a video on the barbary wars or a short series on the war of 1812.

[@matthewkuchinski1769]

St. Clair did exactly what Major Patrick Ferguson did during the Battle of King's Mountain. Instead of fortifying their positions with makeshift breastworks or keeping their forces unified or at least close enough for effective coordination, St. Clair and Ferguson just decided that the ground was secure enough as a defensive position, throwing away the old rule book about bivouacking in a hostile environment. And both commanders also faced irregulars who were skilled in woodcraft, marksmanship, and maneuverability, armies of which can make an unsecure defensive position untenable.

[@suiryuudannojutsu2754]

both Hamar and St.Clair are competant generals but they took a task that doesn"t suit their career. Wayne success because he learned the lesson well and compensate disadvantages with overwhelming forces , better training and scouting .

[@safeysmith6720]

It’s funny how the Americans used gorilla attacks vs the British, but became the British themselves at Wabash. So strange how the lessons at battles like King’s Mountain were not retained in later campaigns by the Americans. Also, it never fails to confound me how they brought children with them on these campaigns.

[@gryph01]

​@safeysmith6720 It was common in that time to have camp followers with armies. They were often the wives and children of the soldiers

[@Mr.LaughingDuck]

Teutonberg'd Romans: "First time?"

[@SolidAvenger1290]

George Washington: Saint Clair, give me back my Regiments!!

[@siechamontillado]

Isandlwana Redcoats: "First time?"

[@chrisscott6727]

😂😂

[@furiacabocla2furiacabocla589]

Teutoburg was avenged..

[@RigobertosTacoShop]

@@furiacabocla2furiacabocla589wiping out almost an entire culture not avenging enough for you?

[@ArchonShon]

I know very little about this conflict. Thank you EpicHistoryTv for changing that!

[@JaxonSmithers]

Me neither. It’s a part of history that I never bothered studying but I’m glad I came across it.

[@pandanemi-0239]

2 Narrators, One for the Old World and One for the New World

[@thevolatiledude6537]

That's a nice was to put it

[@neymarmessironaldo5881]

I like this perspective

[@MikeBison_]

Will we get a follow up video on the Battle of Fallen Timbers? This coverage of early American wars is fascinating

[@eduardovaldivia5572]

The following video will probably be about the reorganization of the army into the Legion of the United States.

[@jeremydevor7004]

This defeat led to Washington telling Congress to that a standing army was needed. When the story of the defeat came out, it was in every newspaper in the US. The attempts to ratify the 2nd Amendment to the constitution had stalled and they could not get the votes to pass it, but after news of the battle the support for the 2nd shot up and it finally passed. As it led to the first ever Congressional investigation, it set precedent for how the government would function. This is perhaps one of the most important battles in American history.

[@redsox258]

This is such a great way to tell the story of a battle. Using these simple animations of units moving around on maps, with narration and other images, it's a perfect format! It makes it very easy to see and understand what happened during all these battles. This channel has a really great format/formula for telling these stories!

[@StarWarrior91]

I’ve read multiple books on this campaign and the Northwest Indian War, and this series has been an excellent retelling of St. Clair’s Defeat. I can’t begin to express how excited I was to see one of KZbin’s preeminent history channels covering this period of early American history. Well done

[@iwanttodie7199]

could you please recommend some books?

[@rrwholloway]

What books would you recommend?

[@nathana.m.1622]

*Early colonial American history*

[@Mottleydude1]

@@rrwhollowayI would strongly recommend “The Frontiersman. A Narrative.” By the late Alan Eckert. It’s a biopic about the lives of the Frontiersman Simon Kenton and the Shawne leader Tecumseh. Eckert covers much of the history of the region from around 1750 the conclusion of the war of 1812. Eckert does make some significant historical errors (mainly in regards to Blue Jacket) but his work is meticulously researched with lots of footnotes for reference. There are other authors who write about this even but I haven’t seen any that goes into the detail that Eckert does.

[@StarWarrior91]

@@rrwholloway Field of Corpses by Alan D Gaff is the best US POV work. The victory with no name by Colin G Calloway is the best native perspective work

[@j95lee]

The failures in logistics was probably less fatal than the fact that most of the soldiers weren’t ready for combat at all. They had the high ground and only managed to kill 20 natives. I’m assuming they were poor shots or weren’t disciplined in their volley fire. 6 cannons for a fort seems a bit low.

[@DTOStudios]

There were no defensive fortifications, and they were caught off guard firing into heavy woods against enemies fighting in small groups and fighting cover to cover. The hilltop was high ground but it was completely exposed with little to no cover. But yes lack of training meant the vast majority of American fire went high, way above the Native troops,massively lessening Native casualties during the Battle. Native warriors recalled shots anywhere from 10-20 feet above their heads shredding tree limbs

[@neymarmessironaldo5881]

I think the casualties are because the indians were in loose formation/or no formation at all. The us shot blindly into the woods wasting ammo while the indians had a big target to shoot at - the relatively compact ranks of the regulars and milita

[@michaelsinger4638]

1/4 of the whole US Army being wiped out in one battle is insane.

[@Prairiewolf45]

And such an obscure event most people aren't aware of it at all.

[@scottanos9981]

​@@Prairiewolf45Goes against the current narrative of Native Americans being peaceful and genocided rather than capable warriors that fought the US government for generations with many victories.

[@lordbeaverhistory]

​@scottanos9981 well usually they were pretty peaceful to Europeans (unless they wandered into their land), and they were the genocided ones

[@ChrisCrossClash]

@@Prairiewolf45 Typical Americans, they just want to forget their defeats, it's the same that say that they won the war of 1812, its pathetic really.

[@scottanos9981]

@@lordbeaverhistory The term "genocide" is insulting to them. They might have been "defeated", but they were fighters to the bitter end.

[@tlangley44]

Love that this channel is covering Native American Wars. Let’s see the Red Stick War next. Don’t forget to mention the Coushatta (Koasati) or the Alabama tribes who were the first tribes to make up the Red Sticks. They always just lump them in with the Muskogee Creeks.

[@gregorygeorge924]

I live near where Ft. St. Clair is. Have always wondered about how his defeat came about. The founders of the town found a ox that had wondered off from Anthony Wayne's army. They named him Ol One Eye. Was the towns mascot until he died. Gave him full military honors and buried him at the fort. Later William Henry Harrison would come here to campaign and led the townspeople to the old fort and showed them where everything used to be inside. Little Turtle even paid a visit in later years. Tecumseh even did some trading here

[@Mottleydude1]

I grew up and lived in that area too. I’m originally from Coldwater. We were taught about the Northwest Indian wars in elementary school.

[@azullis3173]

@@Mottleydude1 From Fort Recovery, it's neat to see the history of the area, which was hammered home during elementary, finally covered by such a great channel.

[@lot2196]

Coldwater here too!

[@Mottleydude1]

@@lot2196 Cool. I was class of 81. You might be familiar with my father who was a Chiropractor there for many years. His office was the building currently occupied by Hospice there on Main Street.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

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[@danman6431]

St. Claire is such a real one knowing the danger he was in and hurrying solders being chased by the Native Coalition. This defeat is really a result of his circumstances.

[@speglord4470]

He was a brave and accomplished veteran of the Revolution. He fought successfully and with distinction at Trenton and Princeton. It's unfortunate he isn't remembered along with others like Knox, Greene, Sullivan, Wayne, Gates, Marion, Morgan, etc

[@MrLuchenkov]

@@speglord4470 Losing a fourth of the Continental Army against a foe with MilTech 7 will do that to you.

[@DTOStudios]

The documentary is very kind to St. Clair. It doesn't discuss how he belittled him second in command, ignored reports of men going missing and reports of large groups of Native warriors skirmishing with pockets and stealing horses, he failed to issue and order to build defensive fortifications. St. Clair made a ton of mistakes himself that compounded the larger errors

[@mojewjewjew4420]

​@@MrLuchenkovWtf are you saying? The video clearly states they were well armed and supplied by the British.

[@MrLuchenkov]

@@mojewjewjew4420 You may want to read again.

[@chasechristophermurraydola9314]

Hopefully this series will continue and eventually reach the battle of fallen Timbers.

[@H33veeJeeV33z_II]

Whoever makes the images of people in this channel is absolutely talented. 🏆

[@bluegaming1346]

Narrator did a great job in this one!

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

​​I actually find the American narrator to be very fitting. Also, the music is great. always on point, always enhancing the experience. Perfect Combo for this one! well done as always guys!

[@jordonez42]

I agree. Old announcer was amazing but I like this guy a lot. I think people will agree over time if they continue these videos

[@siebevandeloock530]

completely agree, he does a great job

[@looinrims]

I like him in general

[@ChrisCrossClash]

@@jordonez42 They better not replace the original, because trust me they will lose a lot of subs if they do, Professional British narrators like Charles Nove just wipe the floor with American narrators,

[@Overworkedandunderpaid]

This dude almost reminds me of the dude from unsolved mysteries. With the pace and pitches he uses. Takes getting used too but not bad. 7/10

[@JaxonSmithers]

Sounds a lot like him actually.

[@deecee796]

Great vid as always, and fantastic narrator.

[@malickfan7461]

Thank you for covering this obscure bit of history. The narrator did an excellent job as well.

[@micahistory]

Great video once again, this channel always delivers

[@redblacktichy7713]

The former narrator's voice and timing was much better. The music also got bigger focus

[@micahistory]

@@redblacktichy7713 yes

[@dyutimandas9772]

@@redblacktichy7713 what former narrator? They presently have two active narrators. They don't have any previous narrators. I don't know where you got that former bit

[@weiss643]

History of battles and wars like this teaches us a lesson: a bunch of angry locals in a forest are most of the times superrior to skilled and equipped army if they are used propertly.

[@ZealShuffles]

Locals fight for freedom. So they are more motivated

[@Jean_Jacques148]

The invaders fight for loot glory and orders but the locals fight for their family, freedom and homes. It makes sense tbh.

[@in5linesofcodeorless552]

Like the 2nd boer war

[@armandbourque2468]

Nobody ever really LIKES home invaders.

[@save7597]

The angry locals were fighting for their home. The invading and equipped army's expedition force was looking for a place to call home.

[@HistoryRebels]

Incredible story telling and visuals as always.. although I do miss the original narrator, Charles Nove!

[@k.k.b.santos5994]

I miss him too..... The new narrator sounds like he came from a show on History Channel.

[@Chris-kr7gg]

Get over it. So petty.

[@k.k.b.santos5994]

@@Chris-kr7gg I don't understand how missing a narrator is considered "petty."

[@Chris-kr7gg]

@@k.k.b.santos5994 That's because you're petty.

[@k.k.b.santos5994]

@@Chris-kr7gg mmmkay. Butt-hurt Cris

[@zee7056]

No disrespect to the narrator, he's solid, but Charles Nove is just...*chef's kiss*.

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I always watch Epic History because all narrators speak loudly, clearly, and slowly, so that it can easily understand by the viewers.

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A series on Basil II from this chanell would be incredible, for me he was the greatest Eastern Roman Emperor to rule from the queen of cities, and his achievements back that claim

[@carsonneeves3222]

I really enjoy the narrator, it feels perfect for the period and the American frontier

[@Ray-tg1sj]

I don't know why the American accent narrator makes this better but he does. The same way the other narrotor is perfect for the European conflicts, this guy is perfect for the North American ones. Keep it up guys, this is the documentary channel we've all been waiting for.

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Great work friend. And the narrator seems to me well fitted for the job in the end. Keep up the great job.

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[@OreogudN]

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[@warhawk4494]

Great work man on a battle that doesnt get alot of attention. Also the narrator for this video did a great job.

[@kingmaegor5297]

The new narrator was jarring in the first but he comes to his own in this video. Sounds great, and I love the history… can’t wait for Fallen Timbers

[@jessesimm4245]

Why are there so few views on this? This is a top tier quality history video and those far worse get many more views

[@zombieoverlord5173]

I imagine it's the topic. Not many are interested in this period of US history. It's usually revolutionary war then straight to the civil war

[@diogocarvalho5715]

I think Americans overestimate the rest of the world's interest in their relatively rather short history. And I guess history documentaries are a bit of a niche anyway.

[@radem1827]

Although I understand the many reactions about the change of narration (i love the original narrator), I am happy that Epic History is producing this (rising) level of quality historic mini-documentaries. If additional narrators means I get to enjoy more videos covering a wider range of topics, then by all means I'm in! Thumbs up for choosing a narrator from the area these events were taking place. Keep up the good work!

[@tylerman39]

Hes terrible, clearly doesn’t understand the narrative and lacks emotion, just reading a script like an AI

[@darrenmaw3830]

This is great, loving to watch about the early years and battles in America

[@dukeofgloucester9366]

This was so intriguing to hear retold. I as an American, never heard of this specific incident. It's nice, as a historian, to get a better contextualization of the early United States. I would love to see you guys cover the earlier Powhatan Wars in the 1600s, the later Tecumseh's War from 1810-1813, and maybe the other Native American conflicts with the United States. I think you guys are doing a great service in documenting these conflicts for your American viewers to learn their history, and you do it in a very unbiased way. All your videos are a joy to watch and learn from.

[@bigsarge2085]

Incredible history.

[@samlloyd3286]

I love the more monthly uploads!! Thank you

[@tuckerchisholm1005]

The respect that early US settlers and generals had for the native warriors always shines through. It's true that they could never live peacefully and coexist, but generals always speak very highly of the braves ability to fight.

[@iustinian-c8v]

I'd love to see The Punic Wars made in your style, great work!

[@isaacjhaile]

Love the local narrators style on a subject little taught in British schools. Awesome quality as ever, epic history TV.

[@ChrisCrossClash]

Why on earth would this be taught in British schools?

[@Willoops]

Please continue with American and Native American history!!

[@mq9047]

I love the American narrator on this not-often-discussed American history. Great video!

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

Hell yes, I live 30 minutes away from Tippecanoe battlefield. I love the Indiana history. Believe it or not many people that live in Indiana have native american in their families. My great great grandma was Lenape. Keep telling the history we need

[@WarhawkYT]

Nice video EHTV, great job with the video!

[@jebbroham1776]

This brilliantly done and well covered.

[@dasberk4971]

I love the new narrator and I like that you guys are covering early American history post-revolutionary war.

[@RoboticDragon]

I would also like to thank Osprey publishing and the artists who helped make these videos.

[@melvinsuria7331]

Hopefully you get to cover the Nez Perce War. It was the war the US fought against the Nimiipuu peoples of the Northwest United States. I read a book about them called The Last Indian War, it was a very interesting read.

[@Chrisander90]

You guys should credit the narrator. That’s one badass voice.

[@ChrisBrackman]

I appreciate you all sharing links to Osprey Publishing's books. I'm looking forward to learning more.

[@xeqoir]

Best history channel, been a Patreon supporter for half a year now

[@amirkelal1094]

Please bring Charles back. We love his voice. Please make videos on WWII and Genghis Khan

[@chasechristophermurraydola9314]

I completely agree with you on that but I would also love to see videos on the Madhist War, The Opium Wars, The Boer Wars and The boxer rebellion.

[@cobbler9113]

This is just a one off change in the narrator.

[@ianrager4]

This is an American narrator for an American video. He still does the Napoleonic wars and all other videos. This is just for the American videos they are currently doing lol. Did you not watch the coup of 18 Brumaire?

[@ChrisCrossClash]

@@ianrager4 But tell me, why do they have to pander to Americans? i don't think anyone would mind if Charles Nove did the narration for every video EpicTV makes.

[@Royalasiangaming]

ppl saying bring the old narrator back like yes that guys voice is made for this shit but this guy still does a great job dont hate this and the op room prob the best history pages on youtube

[@rairaur2234]

The new narrator rocks too, I have to admit! Grear performance!

[@Mottleydude1]

For more detail on this battle I would recommend reading Allen Eckert’s narrative “The Frontiersman”. It’s biographical about the famed Frontiersman Simon Kenton and Tecumseh the great Shawnee leader. In his narrative he goes into a great deal of detail on the Northwestern Territory Indian wars Including the Battle of the Wabash (aka St. Claire’s massacre). On a side note I was raised a few miles from the site of the battle of the Wabash at Fort Recovery, Ohio. Which was built by General “Mad” Anthony Wayne when he invaded the territory and defeated the Native American coalition.

[@Stew-kv8nw]

I had a vague understanding of this battle. Untill now. Well done. As a side note this event would make a good foundation for a movie. Something along the lines of drums along the Mohawk

[@Lightninghawk1144]

Great video, awesome narration/animation, and quotes always make the story feel much more real than a third source

[@niks2017]

I actually like this narrator a lot. The original one might fit the channel a bit better, but this one is really really good too

[@OmniaWolf]

MUCH LOVE FOR THE NARRATOR! YOU GOT IT BROTHER!

[@emanuele_z605]

This channel is just UNREAL ❤

[@looinrims]

Gotta respect General St Claire, the last one to get off the field, defeated but not dishonored

[@ThrottleUp_]

lol he just got his entire army routed and mostly killed...

[@patrickmunneke8348]

​@@ThrottleUp_ Unfortunate circumstances

[@ebonaparte3853]

@@ThrottleUp_Because of a lack of men and supplies…

[@mu0FFpu0FF]

​@ebonaparte3853 he literally split his CAMP in 2. Not down the road, but ACROSS A RIVER..

[@Gideonthestargazer]

Nothing to respect when he imbeziled money from the expedition.

[@JosephZoeckler]

I have found this portion of US history really interesting. Also, Narrator is doing an awesome job! Hope to see more soon!

[@siechamontillado]

This is a great video and the production values are top notch! Can't wait for more videos like this!

[@sebastienhardinger4149]

Great video, really appreciate these less known conflicts

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Epic history tv the best channel for history content in KZbin ❤. We always appreciate your hard work and dedication towards these videos ❤️. Your big fan from Sri Lanka.

[@johnsnow6019]

The narrator is growing on me. Keep it up!

[@Reidumz]

New narrator is actually doing great! Change is always weird but he’s doing fine considering the huge shoes he’s filling!

[@Monarch9704]

Like the new narrator almost as much as the original

[@AbubakarIbrahim-xt7dx]

Love your work love the narrator….would like this narrator for future American history

[@Callsign_Prophet]

16:40 Was a costly battle, especially by the standards of the time but the Battle of Camden in the Revolution was costlier.

[@gjzgodd]

Thank you for your engaging history content

[@romant7204]

Our epic narator is gone, it is a sad day for epic history tv

[@GrooveGalaxy02]

I think he will still be making videos, there’s just two narrators now. This guy is still pretty good tho

[@Turki_SC]

The narrator is great ! Seriously i don’t understand what some are complaining about

[@rafaelcbbr]

A real Master piece!!! Congrats, guys!!

[@michaellaramee1965]

I enjoyed the series! This narrator reminds me of the better History Channel narrators so I am okay with it.

[@BigJoe5.0]

The narrator has done better in this video than the last. Like i said before, we have to give him a chance, he'll be fine 👍

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thank you SO much for this amazing new series guys! You always make My day! 😊😊😊❤❤❤

[@Sriram-ve4ge]

No offense to the new narrator, but Charles Nove was the GOAT🐐

[@miracleyang3048]

He isn't New he's the OG narrator

[@johnfekete3623]

Charles isnt gone lol gotta wonder if Charles is aware of all the appreciation 😀💚

[@cjhouse3646]

Yes!! Give us Charles! Give us Charles!!

[@fintonmainz7845]

Bore

[@jankusthegreat9233]

This is my favorite channel

[@nikobellic570]

This narrator's accent fits the theme of the video. Epic voice. Good tone, cadence etc.

[@ChrisCrossClash]

He doesn't have a patch on Charles Nove though.

[@Michael-ws7rc]

Loved this. And the narrator is great.

[@brokenbridge6316]

I was sort of hoping to see more of this series. Or will we get another episode? Nice video.

[@panayiotisheers9620]

Idk if anyone is complaining about the narrator he’s doing a perfect job y’all let’s learn about this war not start another one

[@Hertfordtownontour22]

Love this 🔥🔥🔥

[@takbongraider4889]

I hope charles Nove is okay. I really miss his narration😔

[@willevans429]

that was very well narrated, didnt know this story

[@nole8923]

Now I know where that fife and drum tune called Hell on the Wabash came from.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

This is My favorite channel of all time!❤❤❤❤

[@drakebolton7131]

I like how this narrator sounds like a college professor. It works well while talking about American history.

[@zetectic7968]

So many basic mistakes: Too late in the season, poorly equipped & provisioned, lack of scouting, dividing force to return & find new supply column, setting camp with forces in 2 groups without knowing where the enemy was. St. Clair was lucky not to have been court martialed.

[@faso4800]

I was unacquainted with the second expedition thank you Epic History