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@alexartamonov20103 жыл бұрын
Being an avid cyclist (a roadie) I immediately took an interest in that book! That was a pleasant surprise, finding this topic on a channel about woodworking!
@MrArik863 жыл бұрын
You missed the opportunity to say: "...they braced themselves to see my arms be shredded down to *Stumpy Nubs*..." Other than that, I follow your videos with great enthousiasm and have learned SO much. Thanks, from a European who has moved to the U.S.
@Argonwolfproject2 жыл бұрын
How about a cotter pin at the end of the blade shaft to prevent the nut from coming loose?
@jamesederer35652 жыл бұрын
You bet champ. Just spent an hour clicking and resetting Just enough to count. Probably added 30 clicks or so. Keep on keeping on brother.
@dhy53423 жыл бұрын
When dados are outlawed, only outlaws will have dados.
@rudyschwab77093 жыл бұрын
They'll get my dado set when they pry it out of my cold dead hands.
@jaredmar103 жыл бұрын
@@rudyschwab7709 *nubs :)
@marktye3223 жыл бұрын
@@rudyschwab7709 …when they pry them from your cold, dead nubs…..
@johnepperson88673 жыл бұрын
28th Amendment to the Constitution : The right to bear dados.
@billparrish43853 жыл бұрын
Only the 'fully-semi-automatic' dado sets should be banned, the ones with the 'high-capacity clips' -- you know, the 'dado sets of war'.....
@heidbumbee16893 жыл бұрын
I'm UK Scottish. I just welded an extension on to the arbour to take dado's and that works fine. I just have to dig the dado's out of the ceiling every now and then.
@suburban4043 жыл бұрын
Too funny!
@CitizenAyellowblue3 жыл бұрын
😂😂
@johnepperson88673 жыл бұрын
LOL !!!
@johnmanning45773 жыл бұрын
...coffee out the nose!!!
@robertgordon55623 жыл бұрын
Scottish ingenuity!
@donkmeister3 жыл бұрын
Here in the UK we also have the dado set's angle-grinder cousin: the wall chaser. I own one, it's the best tool to use if you absolutely positively want grit and dust to appear in all sorts of places around your house that you thought were completely sealed off from the room you're working in.
@pumpkinheadghoul2 жыл бұрын
I had to google "the wall chaser" to see what it was. Oh yeah, that's SOOOO much safer than a table saw with dado blades.😏 (Yes, that was thick with sarcasm.) I am curious though, what would you use such a tool for? I mean, it's obviously not for sawing a piece of wood in half. While it's a pretty cool looking looking saw, for me I can't imagine ever finding a use for such a tool. Yes, I know I'm like a year late with this response, but I didn't want to go two years. Oh, and pretty cool screen name, my friend.
@CornishColin2 жыл бұрын
@@pumpkinheadghoul It's used for cutting a channel across brick walls so that the plumbers & electricians can conceal pipework & wires/conduit etc.
@johnnyshinnichi1785 Жыл бұрын
@@pumpkinheadghoul Yeah, rather than having walls made from wooden battens and plasterboard (what you call drywall) like you do. Over here we decided it was better to have internal walls made of solid brick, so we have to demolish the house with those wall chasers if we want to install new cables/pipes etc. And donkmeister wasn't kidding about the dust. It took us two years to get rid of it all when we had the house rewired!
@ralphiewigs22083 жыл бұрын
They can have my dado set when they pry it out of my cold, dead, and very splintery hands.
@kenoliver89133 жыл бұрын
Much easier to remove the hands with that dado set ...
@twatmunro95633 жыл бұрын
That should be easy due to the lack of fingers, right? ;-)
@bobd67453 жыл бұрын
“End the debate forever”? You have woefully underestimated the power of the internet! Thee is still a significant debate on whether the earth is flat.
@bamahama7073 жыл бұрын
Significant to WHO?
@dannywilliamson33403 жыл бұрын
@@bamahama707 The flat earth kooks
@bamahama7073 жыл бұрын
@@dannywilliamson3340 And they are in charge of WHAT, exactly?
@dannywilliamson33403 жыл бұрын
@@bamahama707 The "secret knowledge", they would say.
@chucklindenberg10933 жыл бұрын
Can we seriously have a debate now about how much influence so called "flat earth kooks" have on the internet? Oh wait second... damn....
@wiedapp3 жыл бұрын
Be advised: Long text following! Non native speaker writing! Well, at least in Germany Dado sets are not straight out forbidden by law, just by the national work regulations for >>commercial use>in work placesabsolute nobody else
@meanders92213 жыл бұрын
Very knowledgeable and clear explication. That's how I knew you were a non-native speaker :)
@uglybobhere3 жыл бұрын
These endless nonsense For Your Own Good "safety regulations " are sweeping America too :-( but for now. MY DADO STACK STAYS. Have a nice day.
@wiedapp3 жыл бұрын
@@uglybobhere Well, in Germany any employer is mandated to make sure his/her workers have safe and appropriate tools and machinery to work with. And a safe work environment as well. Furthermore they have to make sure these things stay that way over time. In case you didn't know: Here the employer supply's the tools for the job. The employer even needs to supply the safety equipment (PSA), like gloves, safety footwear, helmets, safety goggles, etc. If you change jobs, you need to give back the tools, but your PSA is of no use to them, because of sweat and what not. If you loose a tool or it gets damaged during use, the employer needs to replace it. But don't let that fool you: If that happens too often or there is a pattern, you need to justify every replacement and explain, why tools break regularly. That can be indicative of wrong use or the wrong tool for the job. If on the other hand you fail to justify properly, there can be reprimands for that. But that's up to the employer on a case to case basis. So, it is in the best interest of the employer, that you use quality tools and that you use them appropriately. If a tool has a manufacturing defect and it hurts you as a worker, then the manufacturer has to pay, because they sold something unsafe. If the tool is damaged while in use and you don't stop using it and because of that you get injured, your employer's business insurance is on the expensive hook. The very same applies to when you as a worker modify any tool or machinery in a unsafe way and something happens, the employer's insurance has to pay for your ignorance and dumbness. But your employer's insurance fees will likely rise and he/she could be paying huge fines. So it is in the best business interest of your employer as well, that every tool or machinery you use is safe and inspected regularly. With something like "bring your own tools" like is custom in the US (at least that is the last I heard), that is not possible. Yes, safety slows down many things, but better that, than some heavy, life long injury.
@madman66483 жыл бұрын
Felder even sell there one dado blades for hobbyist
@wiedapp3 жыл бұрын
@@madman6648 Felder does build what the customer wants, more or less. If a customer wants the machine to accept dado stacks, they make it so. But not everyone is able to put a Felder in their workshop.
@thenorwegianmaker3 жыл бұрын
So, living in Norway, Europe, I actually imported a Grizzly table saw from the US in order to use a dado set.
@CzKaa3 жыл бұрын
Yes , because isn't possible to mount dado stack to standard european table saw. It is sad ... :(
@sarahhardy86493 жыл бұрын
Sitting here eating a kinder egg, considering how Stumpy is making fun of us for being too cautious over spinning blades……🤣🤣🤣
@StumpyNubs3 жыл бұрын
The other day I saw someone commenting about those eggs, saying it's illegal to have something inedible inside something edible. I wonder what that guy thinks of cherry pits?
@patrickd95513 жыл бұрын
@@StumpyNubs shut up ..... If those numbnuts in Brussels hear about pits inside fruits I'm sure they will find a way to ban those to save children or something. But lets face it. Every country has it's fair share of ruling idiots and equally stupid laws. (I could poke at the states, but it's not fair to verbally abuse the elderly. I was raised better)
@patrickd95513 жыл бұрын
@Dean Clark you're missing the sarcasm here 😉
@danhartman90873 жыл бұрын
@@patrickd9551 I cant give you enough "thumbs up". You nailed it.
@two-sense3 жыл бұрын
@@StumpyNubs Avacados
@briansaeger55803 жыл бұрын
I worked for a company that made high quality bookcases, audio-visual cabinets, etc. We had dado sets in radial arm saws to cut dados for permanent shelves. I spent over 20 hours a week cutting dados for two years and never had an inkling of the setup being dangerous.
@Naturalchorus2 жыл бұрын
The radial arm saw is the way more dangerous part of the equation than the dado in it! those things are crazy.
@mike_nolan2 жыл бұрын
@@MK-lh3xd lol
@carpocraftguitarscarpentry84692 жыл бұрын
not likely to spin out like a table saw.
@stadleroux2 жыл бұрын
@@aprildegele1510, 🙂once you've got used to the self-propelling nature of the blade making the cut a RAS is in fact a very satisfying tool to use. It is just as dangerous or safe as any other power tool with pointy bits moving at speed and it's not as if the blade could suddenly come off the arm and jump out and into your chest. 😏😉 In cross-cut operations the wood is firmly pressed against the fence and you're moving the blade, which is MOUNTED on its carriage, towards you. Note, towards you, not right up to your body. Compare that with a table saw, where your hands are used to control a piece of wood around the blade. The blade might not even come close to your hands, but the wood can do all kinds of things if something does go wrong... I'm not saying it's more dangerous than a RAS, but there's a different kind of potential risk that you have to look out for. I don't have a need for a dado set yet, because I have a router in a table and I'm not routing anything much anyway, but I'm so getting one for my RAS as soon as the need arises.
@markesys Жыл бұрын
@@stadleroux I completely agree with this assessment of the radial arm saw. Especially for crosscuts, I feel that they're actually quite a bit safer than a table saw: as long as you brace correctly against the self-feeding action, the wood is safely held against the fence, and kickback isn't an issue. Even if the saw does get away from you, it will just self-feed a little bit until the deep cut stalls the motor. I don't use dado stacks on the RAS, because it's just too hard to control the feed rate. On the other hand, I'm completely comfortable ripping on the RAS; the presser foot on the blade guard keeps the wood firmly on the table, and if a kickback should occur (which it hasn't in over 40 years of using this tool), I always make sure the anti-kickback pawls are adjusted correctly to catch the wood. There are some cuts that just don't make sense on the RAS (like a big dado crosscut - ripping one is actually OK), but for me the biggest reason to pick the table saw is accuracy. Despite having a top-notch saw (the original DeWalt, before it got Black-and-Decker-ized), and the tools necessary to set it up with machine-shop accuracy, the relationship between the blade and the guides (table, fence) can never be as stable and rigid as a table saw. But operating safely and within its limits, I personally find the RAS to be at least as safe, and to me safer, than a table saw.
@johndufford55613 жыл бұрын
That was one tough hombre! cross country, direct drive pedals, and on a wooden seat! Plus, back then they only had Preparation G, (hadn't gotten to "H" yet).
@bettyswallocks64113 жыл бұрын
Issues with the metric system? All you need to remember is that there are only 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand the binary system, and those who don’t.
@martinpammenter96683 жыл бұрын
Very clever
@jakethehulk3 жыл бұрын
I've always been jealous of you Americans and your dado sets 🤣 my life would be so much easier with one!
@alexartamonov20103 жыл бұрын
Same here, in Russia. Not sure they're banned here, though. I think there are some models from China on the market that accepts dados disks. The major brands don't.
@justinwilliams19083 жыл бұрын
Freedom is nice.
@alexartamonov20103 жыл бұрын
@@justinwilliams1908 yeah... But some think security is still nicer! :-)
@archiebf45243 жыл бұрын
Don't know where you're from but you can get dados in the UK, there's just not many table saws that actually take them. I can fit them on my table saw but choose not to
@ryantaylor25953 жыл бұрын
Be a hell of a thing to purchase through a company and have it shipped over.....
@skydive14243 жыл бұрын
Yeah, here in Europe they banned dado sets so we have to use routers. Múúúch safer..... Oh wait...!
@gizmogremlin18723 жыл бұрын
If the more concerning issue was the potential of the blades coming off the arbor I'd say something like a retractable arm that can be placed at the end of the arbor, kinda like the tail stock on a lathe could be made to ensure blades could never just fly off.
@johndufford55613 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea!
@calstatelaalproductions23583 жыл бұрын
What about adding a jamb nut onto the arbor?
@gizmogremlin18723 жыл бұрын
@@calstatelaalproductions2358 Was kinda my first thought but I assume someone figured it would be an extra peice or small part that people could easily lose, forget or whatever and wouldn't ensure safety. Of course I'm only guessing at the logic but I figure something like I'm thinking of could be integrated with an interlock of the power switch and be a permanent fixture that would not be a very expensive add to the overall cost and perhaps could have a secondary function of being able to jam or force into the arbor as an added breaking system.
@kenoliver89133 жыл бұрын
Or just a simple lock nut, threaded the same way as the main one.
@briha31423 жыл бұрын
One main reason I opted for the Milwaukee M18 FUEL 8 1/4” Table Saw, as opposed to the DeWalt 20v 8 1/4” Table Saw, was that the Milwaukee ACCEPTS a Dado blade set! I procured my set of dado blades from Amazon about 6 months ago! Hallelujah! I’m all set! Thanks for your great videos, brother!
@leighredfern97833 жыл бұрын
What’s your opinion then on the short stop time the Milwaukee has? Could this possible loosen the abour nut ? I just purchased my first set of dados for the Milwaukee. Surely Milwaukee know of this potential issue?
@jamessimon72923 жыл бұрын
Seems hard to believe that saw has enough power to run a dado stack. Maybe a 6" set and shallow passes.
@langhamp89123 жыл бұрын
I opted for the DeWalt because the Milwaukee seems to bog down and stop during long rips. That might just be for oak, though. Most people use pine.
@WallyFuller3 жыл бұрын
8 1/4 Table Saw??? I just "downgraded" from a Jet 10 Contractor Table Saw to a Dewalt 10" Jobsite Table Saw. They have a couple of different models. One model will not accept a Dado Stack, all the others do. The Dewalt has more power than the Jet contractor saw. I'm trying to make my life more simple. Trading the 350 pound Jet for the portable Dewalt. Then going to a Festool or Makita cordless track saw to cut down 4 x 8 panels. Cutting 100 pound 3/4" MDF on the Jet was getting crazy.
@langhamp89123 жыл бұрын
@@WallyFuller Progrip sells straight edge clamp for using a circ saw to break down large boards although in practice I just have the seller cut plywood sheets down for me.
@havelockvetinari93953 жыл бұрын
Personally I use a router to cut rebates in boards. As you will well know it can be done freehand with a router and the jig that comes with even the cheapest routers or better with a router mounted in a table using the fence. I simply don't cut enough Dado's or rebates to justify using a dado stack. You could also use an old school; rebate plane, or routing plane. You can keep your spinning stacks of death. ;-)
@simonmurray20023 жыл бұрын
I have been lucky, when my father upgraded he gave me his 35 year old moa Shan TSC table saw with a nice long arbour, originally supplied with a wobble blade (now that's a scary piece) I got a diablo set from the US because that blades "can't be sold in Ireland" and 3 days after my set arrived, my local tool store had one but it wasn't on the shelf, it sits between the machines on the showroom floor. I love mine it was scary at first but in my opinion now it's no more scary than a 12" rip blade
@mauricekeithjohnson25983 жыл бұрын
I have 2 sets of calibrated wobble washers, that are, at least, 25 years old. My DaDo set is about the same age. Have cut a lot of Teak with them, boatbuilding.
@Mike.DeNinno3 жыл бұрын
In general, I find dado cuts to be safer than standard cuts. The blade is rarely more than a half inch above the table, and it is completely covered by the work piece so it is easier to apply firm pressure down and into the fence.
@ronwilliams3293 жыл бұрын
totally true!
@chri-k3 жыл бұрын
For metric system users: 0.5in = 1.27cm
@spudpud-T673 жыл бұрын
@@chri-k I have to admit half an inch protrusion does seem safer than 12.7mm.
@mattschreiber42512 жыл бұрын
It’s not about the safety of the cut. It’s about brakes jerking blades loose. And keep in mind; mist euro sliders take 16” blades.
@OlympianHera3 жыл бұрын
Back in the day, we used to use wobble saw washers so we could cut wide rebates with a single blade. I just looked them up out of curiosity and they are still available in the UK.
@klorex100 Жыл бұрын
An important note. The rules of blade guard and stop-time is only applicable in commercial environments as part of work-safety rules. As a private person you are free to remove the whole table and use the saw for free hand sculpting if you want to. We even include the free ambulance ride you are going to need :). So we are sort of free here as well, but not free to exploit workers :)
@LightAndSportyGuy3 жыл бұрын
Dado set? HAH! Try one of those old molding sets - those are scary. :-)
@calstatelaalproductions23583 жыл бұрын
Hey, that was my first thought at a comment, which I made a couple minutes ago. Still have some molding arts that I never use. 😲😮
@monteglover41333 жыл бұрын
I’ll have to agree with the Europeans about the metric system, imperial (inches) is awkward, clumsy, outdated, ...
@rudyschwab77093 жыл бұрын
Only if you try to learn imperial after you already learned metric.
@simon-d-m3 жыл бұрын
I'm European; I like the imperial system, especially fractions. Much easier to use to design things with than metric, which is an arbitrary piece of nonsense, quite literally. The metre was supposed to be something like 1/1000th of one second of arc at the equator, only the French got the calculation wrong and it isn't even that. It's a nuisance size, whereas feet are conveniently human-sized, and fractions are extremely useful too.
@martinpammenter96683 жыл бұрын
12 inches in a foot, 3 feet in a yard, 22 feet in a chain, who knows how many in a furlong, 1760 yards in a mile, 4400 square yards in an acre. It is all so logical. I was raised on imperial and then the country went metric. Good move. Join the rest of the world and see the advantages.
@simon-d-m3 жыл бұрын
@@martinpammenter9668 I am unlikely to make anything that is a chain, furlong or mile long at my workbench. For woodwork, and day to day life, feet and inches and fractions are simply better.
@dannywilsher41653 жыл бұрын
Metric sucks!!!
@averagepyro3 жыл бұрын
The U.P. is the best!! Hope you get some good decompressing time.
@Jerry_Fried3 жыл бұрын
Imagine this solution to the European dado problem: an arbor that is 1/2 inch longer than standard. It is threaded in the normal way, but the 1/2" on the end is a of slightly lesser diameter than the rest of the arbor and it is threaded in the opposite direction. Then, when you install a dado set, you secure it with the normal nut, but in addition to that, you lock it with an oppositely threaded nut on the narrower last 1/2. The lock nut can have a wide flange that applies friction to the regular nut. It wouldn't be needed at all with a single blade. Then, it wouldn't matter how quickly the blades stopped and you wouldn't need a special guard. The two-diameter arbor and its locking nut could be standardized so as not to require special or additional purchases.
@wilbearworks3 жыл бұрын
Hi Stumpy. In the UK we no longer have to have auto-stop blades. I bought a trade saw five years ago without an auto-stop system. Thanks for all your hard work keeping us up to date with woodworking tools and ideas.
@philmininni59813 жыл бұрын
It is a damn shame our younger people are being taught a different history and a lot of older people forget history they were taught. We are truly doomed to repeat it. Great blather today!
@victorhopper67743 жыл бұрын
@@isaackvasager9957 ever pass a phrase down a line of ten people? taught history is subject to the opinion of the teacher. my wife said i have a 2 inch penis but since she died it is now ten . of course we both might be liars.
@MyGrowthRings3 жыл бұрын
Great topic, James, and I really enjoyed your friendly pokes at our European cousins. I really enjoyed this one. Scott
@patrickd95513 жыл бұрын
As do we love poking the yanks about our consistent non-fraction metric system ;)
@MyGrowthRings3 жыл бұрын
@@patrickd9551 Yeah, it seems that the only countries that continue to cling to the "customary units" are the countries that have visited the moon. It's a lonely place to be.
@patrickd95513 жыл бұрын
@@MyGrowthRings ah yes.... because of the space race that was started by metric loving russia ;) throw enough dollars and you win a race that you didn't start nor invent. Also didn't you guys blow up a 125 million dollar mars orbiter due to customary habits? Just having the ability to throw imaginary money units at a problem does it justify customary units. But how are you liking those 2L coke bottles or those 5.8L hemi motors? Or the fact that Ford switched to metric because it saved a (metric) ton of space and money. Shall we continue jabbing? ;)
@angelomiller3 жыл бұрын
@@MyGrowthRings NASA as pretty much all science runs on Metric.
@joewrosenthal003 жыл бұрын
I had not realized what a “privilege” it was that I’ve had for the past 50 years: my Delta Rockwell table saw has a Bieasemeyer rip fence and a standard American arbor that accepts my dado set. And I still have all my body parts-except my appendix-which was removed without using my table saw!
@rudyschwab77093 жыл бұрын
That's what a radial arm saw is for.
@mikecurtin98313 жыл бұрын
@@rudyschwab7709 Nicely done.
@denisrubin3943 жыл бұрын
I ruined two blades trying to take my appendix out with a SawStop.
@denisrubin3943 жыл бұрын
@@joewrosenthal00 It was a joke responding to your appendix line. I'll make that clearer.
@Cliffepoos3 жыл бұрын
As an Irishman I would troll you about dado's and not pronouncing words correctly but you are a Redwings fan, so I figure you have enough things to worry about! :-D
@TheWoodFly3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Euro's view us like we view those videos from SE Asia where the guys are using tools with NO guards all day long with sawdust/chips flying everywhere, no protective equipment and fingers agonizingly close to spinning metal. Those make me cringe even if the results are often beautiful. Danger close...Thanks again for an entertaining and educational vid.
@calstatelaalproductions23583 жыл бұрын
Or the guy who makes a mini-table saw out of a portable drill!
@glinness3 жыл бұрын
I saw Buddhist monks in Laos, on string tied bamboo scaffolding, welding… PPE? … hard hat, well a straw hat! … steel toe caps? Well flip flops!… eye protection?… knock off ray bans! Respirator? A cigarette! But the did have Buddha looking after them!
@notamouse56303 жыл бұрын
Honestly, just build a floating guard, and make the nut on the shaft a locking one by one of many different means. I suggest a set of washers and a locking pin. Easy and lazy.
@juleswebb18853 жыл бұрын
I got a new Harvey table saw from Woodford Tooling a few years ago here in the UK and was surprised to be given the option of a longer arbor to take a dado stack, as i thought they were illegal here. Apparently not!
@johncorrall17392 жыл бұрын
@@toadamine I bought the lumberjack 10” table saw. It’s the uk version of a rigid hybrid. Cast iron top and it takes a 5/8” bore dado stack. It’s a good machine,I haven’t bought a dado stack yet. I will buy one soon.
@garymichael1623 жыл бұрын
I use to work in a furniture factory. One of the guys did a plunge cut with a dado blade and started to far forward. So he pulled it back about 1/4" and the piece shot back wards and his fingers went into the blades. Since then I am alot more cautious about them.
@andysmith19962 жыл бұрын
Did he lose the fingers?
@falxonPSN2 жыл бұрын
@@andysmith1996 I'm sure someone found them. They usually leave a squishy red trail.
@dand39752 жыл бұрын
Fingerless Carlson?
@wayward-saint Жыл бұрын
They never found his fingers. But they did find some hamburger meat. Why someone would store hamburger meat in a table saw is anyone’s guess.
@covcarpenter91583 жыл бұрын
Seems how were not aloud to own a glock in the uk they could at least let is have dado blade for industry 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@paulanderson64013 жыл бұрын
But in industry we don't need dado stack, we can use a Spindle moulder with a wobble saw does the same thing and it's earlier to set up
@Myrkskog3 жыл бұрын
The first thing I ditched after leaving furniture school was the euro style short fence on my table saw.
@chrislaing71533 жыл бұрын
Why? I find the short fence very useful when ripping lots of short lengths. You can simply cut away and the small cut items all have somewhere to sit.
@paul-ld9vh3 жыл бұрын
I have never heard of a short fence. Is there a reference/ picture somewhere I can see?
@David-hm9ic3 жыл бұрын
The short fence does eliminate some problems. I've added auxiliary short fences to my table saw fence when ripping long boards. It stops the issues of the blade trying to grab the board at the end of the cut. I may have explained it poorly but the safety aspect was readily apparent when I was ripping the tongues and grooves off of some lumber. I was doing that because I used the same lumber for the ceiling and walls of a very casual room. I wanted the T&G look on the ceiling but a shiplap look on the walls.
@Myrkskog3 жыл бұрын
I found that the short fence never gave me the confidence that there was no risk of the wood pivoting at it's far end. Also, when ripping long lengths I never liked the fact that I either had to sacrifice the start of the fence placed at the edge of the table, thus allowing a nice long run-in into the saw blade or have little fence beyond the blade supporting the length of wood. I've had a life working with machinery, but could never see how the short fence affords greater safety when ripping. It was explained at the school that the fence should placed so the end extends no further than the centre of the saw blade. It creeped me out to be completely honest. I avoided using the table saw and preferred using the band, until I kitted out my own shop. I've just got a shop built mdf full length fence attached to the extruded alu fence and it has yet to do me wrong. I accept that if the user doesn't check for fence-blade-mitre slot alignment then it could cause pinch, but I feel you can nit pick those types of potentials with any machine or power tool and their myriad set ups.
@gandhizehner3 жыл бұрын
Afaik forrbidden for professional use, but you can buy them without problems (coming from Germany). Also we don‘t need them as we have better tools: Verstellnuter.
@gandhizehner3 жыл бұрын
This might translate to adjustable groover.
@lowerdfool3 жыл бұрын
Why not just use locknuts or double nuts, when using a dado stack on the arbor?
@remcolangbroek6563 жыл бұрын
Locknuts are a nuisance, and they wear, but double nuts is fine. You need an even longer arbor though
@paulw31013 жыл бұрын
Great video. On correction: America is no longer the "Land of the Free". The US is not even on the top 10 list of countries with the most personal freedoms.
@brainwashingdetergent43223 жыл бұрын
“They” started boxing us in over one hundred years ago! It started with property tax, then income tax!
@recipio65613 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that. We Europeans actually appreciate dado stacks and use them in private workshops.A lot of criticism comes from professional woodworkers who can't use them for insurance reasons. In fact I prefer the 5/8" arbor as I can use all kinds of American tools like the mitre fold dado blade. Enjoy the vacation !
@anthonyhiscox3 жыл бұрын
So can you just buy them for personal use? Or do you have to meet a guy in an alley that opens his coat and has a bunch of blades hanging there?
@recipio65613 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyhiscox Ha Ha. They are freely available.
@gerrard42153 жыл бұрын
Where do you find a saw in the UK with a long enough arbor to use in a private workshop?
@recipio65613 жыл бұрын
@@gerrard4215 They are available from specialist ( mainly second hand ) machinery shops. You could also import from the US.
@kthec12983 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyhiscox but if something happens your insurance says, well buddy you fucked up, pay your self, atleast here in germany
@kennyb48713 жыл бұрын
Only took him 72 days on that silly bike. You didn't mention that 1/2 that time was spent just trying to get up on the damn thing. My current Table Saw is a dynamite little Dewalt. It's small, but packs a pretty good punch, AND I can dial the fence, which I love.....but yeah, the arbor is too short for any Dado. I spend much more time either making lots of passes (Did I mention the dial a fence option it has?) or my router depending on what's going on. Thanks as always sir. Amazing insight once again.
@jamessimon72923 жыл бұрын
My Dewalt table saw will take a dado set. Made sure it had that capability before I settled on the model. 7491RS I believe.
@kennyb48713 жыл бұрын
@@jamessimon7292 Interesting. I don't think that model was available when I bought mine. That was the only thing holding me back from buying the DW735.....I bought it anyways. ;-)
@jamessimon72923 жыл бұрын
It's the one that comes with a rolling stand. Usually goes for about $600, but got it for $499 from Lowe's a couple years ago.
@kennyb48713 жыл бұрын
@@jamessimon7292 Well hell. Just went and looked through the differences between your saw and mine. Now I wish I had waited a year or two....guess it's something to put on my XMAS list.... Pretty much the same EXACT same saw, except you can Dado and slightly faster blade speed.
@dukeengine13393 жыл бұрын
I'm European and I never thought about that "stop time"... That's a good point. I will still go on with the router table. But it's a shame that CMT that is a premium Italian company builds dado sets and we can't use them!
@patrickd95513 жыл бұрын
Stop time is a thing I really appreciate too if I'm being honest. 10 seconds is a reasonable number, but how long does a free spinning blade take to halt? That must take at least half a minute. I wouldn't want that to be honest. At least some good things come from Brussels _sigh_ And I don't mind the router table that much either if you have good quality carbide bits.
@langhamp89123 жыл бұрын
@@patrickd9551 Ten seconds seems absurdly long. My DeWalt table saw has an electric brake that stops in about 1/2 a second. However, my Makita circular saw is faster yet, but jumps uncomfortably as the brake engages.
@therundi1003 жыл бұрын
Why not just have a set of two riving knives (one for each outside blade) that has spacers you add or delete depending on the thickness of your dado?
@13daniel19743 жыл бұрын
Just like any other "power tool" there are some precautions you need to take and be aware of.
@remcolangbroek6563 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like two nuts on the arbor if your saw has an electronic brake!
@Aladinscave3 жыл бұрын
Made my own adapter for a dado set works great with no dramas in my opinion if you can’t handle a dado set among all the other dangerous power tools in a workshop you shouldn’t be in a workshop anyway…🇬🇧
@scottdingwall45793 жыл бұрын
Please send me a dado stack 🙏🙏🙏...but why do you complicate work with fractions 🤔🤔....we also have rabbits in the old country 🐰🐇👍🤣🤣keep up the good work from across 2 ponds 👍😊
@TheSwordsEcho3 жыл бұрын
We 'muricans r smrt. Do fractions to sho smrtness. (Very sarcastic if it's still unclear. I'd just wish we'd adopt metric already. So much easier.)
@victorhopper67743 жыл бұрын
why do you still use 360 degrees in a circle and not 10. why do we all use seconds, minutes, and hours? seems so old fashioned. obviously we should be using the speed of a red laser light in a vacuum. lets be precise.
@acf28023 жыл бұрын
Aluminum isn't pronounced differently in America, it's spelled differently. You'll find it was spelled Aluminum before Europeans renamed it to Aluminium. Americans already having a thriving aluminum economy didn't give a shit when some snobby European academics tried to rename it.
@merrickallard84883 жыл бұрын
In the UK they aren't actually banned. Axminster tools sell a table saw and dado set for it. The guard doesn't need to be removed as its an overhead one. I don't have a table saw currently but I am envious of your American saws with dado stacks
@paulyeomans10653 жыл бұрын
... and its *only* £3,200 (without the dado set or overhead crown guard, another £150 and £750 respectively)
@paulanderson64013 жыл бұрын
In the uk we don't need a dado stack when we can just use a Spindle moulder with a wobble saw fitted
@markywellsboy21823 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the stack is available in the UK, but you have to look around to find a saw that will accommodate one and stack blades are not easily available. And as noted here, get ready to empty your wallet.
@stevebailes85903 жыл бұрын
In the last year I purchased a car and a chainsaw. There is no reason for the government to tell us what risk we can and can’t take. People who know how to use a dado stack are at little risk. So are people who know how to drive and use a chain saw.
@baldeelocks3 жыл бұрын
I watch in the background as I work at my desk and your voice is like a calm wind telling me to break free and build something, Thanks man for the real info and down-to-earth commentary that makes a difference.
@KF12 жыл бұрын
what did you end up building?
@danhartman90873 жыл бұрын
And yet the European community seems to have every manner of jointer and planer on hand, the former of which will cleanly remove your hand. Well - not cleanly, but you'll get a great splatter effect on your walls if you aren't very very careful.
@richardbrobeck23843 жыл бұрын
I have used my Freud dado set for years and when in use I keep as low as I can also use a throat plate that fits that blade set.
@cortedemico2 жыл бұрын
you are the sneakiest salesman i have ever seen. i didn't know i was watching a commercial in the last three videos, until i knew i had just watched a commercial. fnckin' epic. GJ!
@christianbookter10163 жыл бұрын
I sure as heck enjoyed this vlog. As a Viet Nam veteran I applaud your effort to achieve world peace. I am addicted to wood working in spite of all the disabilities that stupid war left me with. Keep this up Stumpy and I will call off all those biting flies in the upper peninsula.
@LaRaeGallant2 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO much for serving
@candesearl2 жыл бұрын
I would love to be a "upper"!
@ClaudeSac2 жыл бұрын
@@LaRaeGallant, your stupid is showing real bad. His serving brought nothing but suffering, for both the countries and especially for himself.
@grimacres3 жыл бұрын
I'd like a floating guard but they are not worth the money. I just work with no guard.
@iamjackalope3 жыл бұрын
For many years I had a dado stack on my model 77 worm drive with a modified guard and table for cutting seat cuts in rafters. I also had a 32" blade on an old all metal Skill Saw that originally had a 10" blade on it with modified table and guard for cutting head cuts on rafters and cutting beams. They where both stolen along with all the rest of my tools back in the 90's never to be seen again. Both saws where very dangerous in the wrong hands and I hope the person that stole them from me found that out the hard way.
@samh1403 Жыл бұрын
You’re videos are hands down the best for educational value. You’re dry witty humor is just a bonus. You seem to effortlessly throw in some humor in every video and have fun doing it.
@anthonyhitchings10513 жыл бұрын
the big penny farthing front wheel is good for rough roads, compared to a modern street bike
@dondale683 жыл бұрын
Here in Merica, We've got the right to chop our fingers off if we wanna!!! ''IF'' we wanna!
@capohd283 жыл бұрын
Here in Canada, there’s no issue getting saws with a long arbor and dado sets. I originally had a wobble blade, but after using a proper dado set, I’d never go back to one of those wobble blades. Before then, I used my router with a fence, but I feel much safer using a dado set than using the router to do it.
@TrevorDennis1003 жыл бұрын
We love our Jacinda here in NZ, but she is inclined to nanny us. A number of ridiculous recently introduced speed limits on our roads is typical of the current government. So she probably doesn't know a dado from dodo, or more relevant to New Zealand, a Moa or I suspect they would be banned here. Dado sets are not easy to buy locally though, but I got mine via Amazon without a problem. I shall still be making the blades just a touch tighter from now though, and I definitely won't be suggesting that my Menz Shed gets a dado set because some of our members are quite capable of doing stupid things already. However, daft as some of them are, they still have enough sense to use base 10 when measuring whether that be with milometers or inches (see there's nothing wrong with imperial - it's just America's slavish devotion to fractions that makes us roll about laughing).
@victorhopper67743 жыл бұрын
how do you measure one third of one
@planetmikusha58983 жыл бұрын
They'll have to pry the dado out of my cold dead hands!
@justinofboulder3 жыл бұрын
TwoHundredFourtyFiveYearsElevenDays!!!!
@brayworkshop4273 жыл бұрын
I think some people in the UK think we can’t get dado sets here. Just so people know, the Axminster AT254lts and AT254ts both take dado stacks and they also sell dado stacks.
@davidstokes84413 жыл бұрын
Ah Yes - think Brexit and stick it up Brussels, Macon and VDL.
@SegoMan3 жыл бұрын
It's not the dado's fault it's the IDTenT error code..
@olddawgdreaming57153 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing with us James, enjoyed your video and information. Also the building in the background was great. Keep up the good work and videos. Fred.
@reddpanda72402 жыл бұрын
Had a Dado set. Yes, they are dangerous. Tossed mine in the scrap metal bin.
@mbrsart3 жыл бұрын
"I don't need a table saw to use a dado set. I'll just use this old radial arm saw I bought on the black market." *1 disembowling later* "Still safer than one of those death trap table saws."
@jJimmyBGreat3 жыл бұрын
I spend so much time with my 50yr old recalled RAS it makes my wife jealous. What it lacks in safety it makes up for in versatility. I can't count on 2 hands how many times I've lost a finger.
@calstatelaalproductions23583 жыл бұрын
Using a dado set designed for a table saw on a radial arm saw will increase the the tendency for it to launch or crawl at you.
@davidiand73 жыл бұрын
I live in Europe and I would like to have a Dado set. Good explanation thanks 🙏
@mururoa70243 жыл бұрын
I'm in Europe. I bought a table saw with a long enough arbor from Germany and a dado set from Italy (OrangeTools). No problem. So there's the other solution to using a dado set: buy a Felder table saw. They're made to work with a dado set and have all the regulatory safety systems built-in. 😉
@crmcbrideww3 жыл бұрын
Strict European tool laws are nothing new. I read in Andre Roubo’s book, that 17th Century France made all hobbyist woodworker’s illegal. You weren’t even allowed to own saws if you weren’t a professional.
@the_arcanum3 жыл бұрын
Eh, that was of course not out of safety concern. That was because of the cancerous crafters guilds born in the Middle Ages limiting access to work, restraining methods of production and maintaining cartel-like prices. We had to wait for the French Revolution and Napoleon to ban them to start catching up on that industrial revolution that was happening in Great Britain.
@seephor3 жыл бұрын
In ten years you'll be lucky to even be able to own a table saw let alone a dado blade. The armchair safety inspectors are absolutely out of control and this stuff eventually finds its way to some bureaucrat who's itching to force their will on you. Push back.
@AdamSmith-po5pd3 жыл бұрын
Plus after 10 years of double digit inflation only the richest will be able to afford a table saw.
@victorhopper67743 жыл бұрын
@@AdamSmith-po5pd or the wood
@Traqr3 жыл бұрын
Not that it'll convince anyone to change their laws or machinery, but if you cut right of the fence or have a right-tilting saw (ie. the fixed face of the arbor is on the same side as the fence) then a riving knife would hold the dado against the fence. Then the riving knife prevents movement away from the fence, much like a featherboard would ahead of the cut.
@MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын
Great vlog, dude! 😊 I don't think dado sets are an issue here in Brazil, but they're definitely not common... Some table saws accept them, some don't... But it's hard to find them and they can be as expensive as a table saw itself here. 😬 But anyway, I'm doing woodworking for fun, so... No issues there. 😊 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@williamfitzer48053 жыл бұрын
I used a table saw without a riving knife for 30 yrs before I bought a new saw that had one. Never had a kick back.
@honestskeptic41773 жыл бұрын
Good video. I liked how you inserted the under-stair cabinet/bench build. Can I get an invite to your UP camping trip?
@jimblack67333 жыл бұрын
I agree with the floating blade guard. My blade guard is more dangerous than not using one at all. Hopefully I won’t regret that someday. And thanks for the humor!!!
@dand39752 жыл бұрын
Know where the blade is in relation to your fingers at all times,. Use Push sticks as much as possible. The blade guards offer false safety.
@DARSFoG3 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see that you have many unfinished books in your library as me.
@EM-fi2qg3 жыл бұрын
2:06 Would that leave you with... "Stumpy Nubs"? 👍🏻
@StumpyNubs3 жыл бұрын
No, just stumps.
@Psychlist19723 жыл бұрын
I do love the braking on the saw. It cuts way back on the amount of time I have to wait for the saw to spin down. I have a Felder saw with grooving blades. It's not the same as our dado stack, though. It uses shims and is closer to shaper tooling in implementation. Same idea, different implementation. The brake has no problem spinning it down despite the weight. They also use two pins to keep blades from spinning off the arbor. Edit: I also use a floating blade guard. It's much more convenient vs the one it came with.
@brianmoore11643 жыл бұрын
I was using an unguarded dado set on a saw with no brake in 1980 and my shop teacher had a foolproof way to ensure safe operation. If you did anything unsafe he would vigorously apply a large wooden paddle to tender areas until the message that safety was important became clear.
@navret17073 жыл бұрын
Let me guess how you’re going to pacify the Europeans - measure the dado stack in metric units? 😏 Stumpy, is there a way to retrofit a longer arbor on a table saw? My DeWalt arbor is too short for a stack. Is there a solution, besides a different saw.
@breakinn4033 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you can retro fit the arbor from a DeWalt supplier in the US for the same model which would have a longer threaded shaft.
@johnlattanzio98593 жыл бұрын
I believe Dewalt makes a specific attachment for their newer jobsite saw's If thats the moldel you are speaking on... I have seen a couple dewalt dados at my local lowes recently
@twestgard23 жыл бұрын
Use pulleys. Run a belt from your arbor to a separate axle.
@falxonPSN3 жыл бұрын
@@twestgard2 ooh - that's a very interesting idea... You'd have to do a fair amount of engineering work with bearings and such to have it run true and not bind up, but that would solve it!
@scottmorris49143 жыл бұрын
Its good to see you are using the new high end Harvey table saw as an outfeed table. LOL
@StumpyNubs3 жыл бұрын
I have three saws in the shop. We use them all.
@scottmorris49143 жыл бұрын
@@StumpyNubs I just ordered a Harvey, the 2HP 36” model. In the video, the Harvey was behind the SawStop, and it was working great as an outfeed. I was just picking.
@donazzopardi87473 жыл бұрын
I love hiking to the waterfalls in the U.P.! Yes I'm a Troll
@shinnick223 жыл бұрын
As a yooper I beg you trolls to never stop coming up here, we need the money
@donazzopardi87473 жыл бұрын
And you can't beat the pasties!
@corwinchristensen2603 жыл бұрын
A riving knife is not needed when making a dado cut. The remaining material makes it impossible for the "kerf" to close on the blade.
@StumpyNubs3 жыл бұрын
Stopping a closing kerf isn't the only function of a riving knife. A turning workpiece can also put pressure on the side of a blade.
@wymershandymanservice99653 жыл бұрын
Ha ha I still have an older skill circular saw that we used a 6 1/2 dado set with. I’m 75 yrs old over 50 years in wood working with out an injury. Love my Freedom even if it comes with risk. Then again as a Marine Corps Veteran I understand the cost of freedom. 🇺🇸🦅🌏⚓️🇺🇸
@two-sense2 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying, is that I can't hammer in a wood wedge on each side of a regular blade to make it into a wobble dado blade?
@ceedeekaytee1961 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha Sometimes you have to inovate. Necessity is the mother of invention.
@KBorham3 жыл бұрын
Very informative video, thank you. A really good Stumpy Nubs video would be " How to avoid Kickback with Dado Blades. I have never found one addressing the subject. I had kickback (three separate times in one project) from the dado blade when cutting 3/4" wide x 3/8 deep dados in a 3/4 thick Birch Plywood panel 18" X 22". The dado cut caused the board to rattle, up and down, and eventually a tooth caught it and sent it reeling across the top of the blade stack, back towards me. I used a top pressure feather board, same thing happened. You can see in Video at 4:58 the extreme downward pressure being applied by the left hand while feeding the piece. The third run, (and third piece of plywood - the others had run across the top of the blade, back at me, and were ruined) the rattling board ripped past the top pressure feather board, over the top of the dado and back at me. The root cause was likely left hand pressure toward the fence was inadequate as was the pressure on the top of the board as it was being feed into the Dado monster. Using your hands to put that much force against a board to keep it from rattling up on the blade presents a whole other set of potential hazards (think; using a dull knife for carving). Look again at the Video at 4:58 and see the white knuckled pressure required while pushing that panel through.. Dado was of mid-tier cost/ quality, was sharp and had very little use (and was pitch free). I use a router and dado guide now unless its a tenon. Dado kickbacks were not a rare occurrence in my shop; today the use of a dado is.
@dscrive3 жыл бұрын
I was told by one of my university professor "if you want to get really rich, just invent a table saw guard that doesn't suck" one of those 'it's a joke, but it's true' kind of statements
@StumpyNubs3 жыл бұрын
Mine work great.
@robertlee41723 жыл бұрын
Safety is priority. This vid makes you think. I think of the dado sets I've used over the years and wonder how I got through without a single injury. I used a product called a "wobble blade" and think of the multiple mishaps that could have happened.
@chrisdemeglio79833 жыл бұрын
Always look for your videos. Extremely informative and entertaining. You have a relaxing way you deliver ur information. Thanks for all you do.
@michaelkvalvik73583 жыл бұрын
Having almost cut my thumb off with my tablesaw just 3 weeks ago, this was a little panic inducing. Entertaining vid though!
@patrickdunn89183 жыл бұрын
Be safe brother, you need that thumb.
@drgruber573 жыл бұрын
I hope you recover fully, Michael!
@TheTsunamijuan3 жыл бұрын
I do like and own a nice set of dado blades. But since i only own and really have room for one table saw. Its just not convenient to use most of the time. I have found what i prefer to do is use a panel router or just a router in general to make those same cuts. Its not unusual these days if i have large sets of stuff to make a stationary setup with my cnc router and have it do the work. They are just much faster and often safer solutions. Without the need to risk bending the arbor on my middle of the road table saw. (which i have spent alot of time getting to run square and true).
@calstatelaalproductions23583 жыл бұрын
Never felt in danger from using a dado on a table saw (in the US). Now using a molding head on a table saw, that is a truly frightening act.
@MrBugleboyb2 жыл бұрын
I have a set of Sears molding heads that I rarely use. Maybe once. After reading your comment, and others, make that "nonce".
@lisacastner47683 жыл бұрын
Let me start by saying that my job title is safety coordinator at a small office furniture manufacturing facility in the US. My job is to know OSHA regulations. Unfortunately, your solution to the dado blade situation as shown in the video would fail an OSHA inspection. As I understand it, a floating blade guard must rise from the table when the material is pushed under the edge, then must lower over the blades when the material is past the blade. Please understand that I do NOT agree with all OSHA Regulations, I believe in natural consequences. I cannot speak for the European community, but our company owns a few Italian manufactured machines, and well, we have to beef up the guarding to meet US standards.
@StumpyNubs3 жыл бұрын
Then a bunch of commercial shops with SawStop and other industrial cabinet saws are not in compliance. Because those floating guards do not rise and fall without manual adjustment.
@lisacastner47683 жыл бұрын
@@StumpyNubs I completely believe it. Many of the OSHA inspectors go by what is in the regulations. Some have never operated a table saw in their lives. What I have found over 9 years is that when a woodworker becomes complacent and forgets to respect the power of the machine they are operating, that's when incidents happen. But I do love your videos, and have learned a lot. The guys in the shop don't have the time to teach me everything I want to learn, so I suppliment
@markd50673 жыл бұрын
I used dado sets professionally back in the 80's. Never any issues...
@larryh.46293 жыл бұрын
Thus the title professional danger is determined by the user not the tool. Kind of like a handgun they can be very dangerous in the hand of an idiot.
@markd50673 жыл бұрын
@@larryh.4629 Yep....it's the user, not the tool...
@pinkerbot3 жыл бұрын
Are you seriously saying that only idiots have accidents??
@markd50673 жыл бұрын
@@pinkerbot Nope...while not using a dado head, I had an accident cutting a finger and thumb on a table saw that required two surgeries and a skin graft. Accidents happen to professionals as well...
@larryh.46293 жыл бұрын
@@pinkerbot we all have accidents but carelessness and stupidity up the odds. Speaking for myself looking back most accidents I have had were due to me doing something Stupid🙃 cutting corners reaching too far or getting into a hurry. One thing about accidents you won't forget the lesson they teach but it's a hard lesson.
@markcrites70602 жыл бұрын
When I use a dado set I prefer to mount it on a radial arm saw. Why go halfway when it comes to danger?
@gregsmith23082 жыл бұрын
You aint lyin! That saw will def eat your lunch,in short order!!
@samuelbonacorsi20483 жыл бұрын
The Europeans have a regulation for the proper zipper length on men’s trousers. Apparently they want to reduce the risk of someone catching their Johnson during a quick zip.
@covcarpenter91583 жыл бұрын
Lets be fair here who want there Johnson caught in there zip 😂😂😂
@robwilliams2873 жыл бұрын
it does hurt, happened to me when I was about 5 or 6.
@covcarpenter91583 жыл бұрын
Its probably because us brits have slightly larger Johnson’s than our American counter parts 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Penguin_of_Death3 жыл бұрын
@Samuel Bonacorsi - don't believe everything you read on the internet. There is no EU legislation dictating the length of the zipper on men's trousers
@uglybobhere3 жыл бұрын
I have a revoler with a barrel marking "Bullet come out this end -->"
@joekonkol3 жыл бұрын
Woodworker AND cyclist? I knew I liked you.... when I'm not making saw dust I love to churn out the miles. Shooting for 2k this year here in PA and maybe something out of walnut. Keep up the great work and content.
@andypaddon6903 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression the banning of dado sets was due to the treaty signed at the end of WW1. Makes the construction of wooden aeroplanes (i.e. all war planes at the time) much more difficult.