SNW50- Homemade TWO STAGE drum sander with Sand Flea and feed belt features

[@StumpyNubs]

There's a shorter, better version of this video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZjUeoGaf8Zsjdk

[@RoryGamble]

I wish I had seen this comment 15 minutes ago!

[@CustomWoodWorkDecor]

You’re dad looks like he can fix anything. Awesome man.

[@eclipsestorm1975]

I'm watching this in 2020, why did you ever stop utilizing dad? He's hilarious!

[@phermey]

I finally found a use for the treadmill I broke down nearly a decade ago. Conveyor belt, bearings. bushings. motor, rollers, etc. It's all sitting in a box.

[@gregaltenhofel7326]

Love these older formatted shows. Honestly it is what got me to watch and ultimately subscribe however long ago it was. It was a while ago I do know that. Shortly after I started watching KZbin

[@mymathmind]

This is a nerdy woodworking project even by stumpy nubs standards!! Amazing!

[@scottriff]

this is the best video I think you've ever made. "your head is a pudding factory" is clearly the finest comeback ever delivered

[@ILikeRagtime]

I love your attitude! 'I CAN MAKE IT BETTER"

[@TrevorDennis100]

Wow, what a great video James, and excellent picture quality for 2014. I smiled at the nose picking @11:24, and then cracked up completely when it was flicked at Mike a few moments later. Some great ideas for the sander. I particularly like the hand wound conveyor belt.

[@wilcoxtube]

Stumpy - I just need to compliment you and the guys for all the creative effort and work that you put into all your videos. Really impressive. I will be adding your drum sander to my project list. Keep up the great work - it is appreciated by those who, well, appreciate it!

[@StumpyNubs]

Thanks!

[@greatnortherntroll6841]

I was only a day or two away from purchasing a new sander, but now I have a different plan... Well, I'll have a different plan when I get it from you, Stumpy! Thanks for the fun and informative vid! :)

[@tgirard123]

FYI, if any of you were Fans of 'Shop Notes' magazine, you might remember their Drum Sander in ISSUE 86. It's very similar to this one but doesn't have a motorized bed. I built it years ago and motorized the bed and it worked great

[@StumpyNubs]

I'm not sure you watched the video. There is no motorized bed, and this sander is way different, especially how the drum is exposed on the top.

[@henrysiegertsz8204]

They sure don't make 'em like this anymore! Brilliant video James H and Moustache Mike!

[@SeanofZeus]

adding an extra pully to the motor shaft would allow you to automate the hand feeding mechanism. I dig the top sanding feature. Really neat. I love watching your vids, Thank you!

[@drummondmj]

I like the "Mathias could do it" comment Awesome video thanks!

[@StumpyNubs]

Thanks Mr. Drummond! Say hello to Arnold and Willis for me!

[@dr1llb1t8]

LOL

[@watcherdude1330]

Honestly STUMPY , I have watched a lot of your videos on KZbin. And had no idea that you were this incredibly gifted. At first I thought you were joking with your dad . The reason I say this is not to be judging your intelligence, but to judge your character. Meaning most people of your intelligence are so ARROGANT, and not easy to listen to. But you are exact opposite. Your so down to earth. Thank you VERY MUCH for sharing your knowledge and abilities. YOU SIR. DESERVE A COLD ONE 🍺

[@rogermccarthy9230]

Nice informative video on building the drum sander and I enjoyed the humor as well. That kept it interesting.I have a Delta 16/32 belt sander and you have some upgrades on yours that I wish Delta had thought of.

[@jordanjustice4414]

Ya stumpy your videos are quality and educational!

[@heru-deshet359]

That's not just a sander. It's a work of art.

[@murrayglen651]

I am in the process of building the 2 stage sander with the 48" conveyor belt and believe that the 2 belt table panels (MDF) are not 19 3/4" x 21 1/8" but rather 17 3/4 x 21 1/8. The 19 3/4" length will not allow for fitting a 48" belt over the 2 end rollers and the table or for the rollers to fit between the two end rollers. Is this correct or am I missing something???

[@goingreen8457]

id like to know the answer to that as well since i am contemplating ordering the plans and building this.

[@tchantrey]

I ended up cutting the MDF all the way down to 17”. Otherwise the conveyor belt wouldn’t go over the sides. I could tell something was off because the threaded rods on the sides had WAY too much slack at 19 3/4”. The gap between the side pieces was much wider than the pictures.

[@LJG781]

I really enjoyed the Humor, you held my attention...Good job

[@hazembata]

Great project Mr. Stumpy. Love the humor as usual.

[@StumpyNubs]

Thanks, Hazem!

[@guydicarlo]

The two of you play great off each other. Keep it up🎎

[@ericblankenship6564]

Awesome. Just got me a Shopsmith and this gives me all the info I need to build a custom drum sander accessory for it. Thanks for explaining some of the detailed fine tuning like belt tracking that can make or break a project like this.👍

[@gtlightning98]

I just finished mine and it turned out OK. Really watch the plans and the changes that need to be updated with measurements. I'd change a few things for sure but won't get into all of that detail. I'd use thicker threaded rods for the belt crank for sure. Also, see how far your bearings, 3/4 shaft and pulley will stick out before you make the cover for the pulley/belt/dust collection. I have to redo that piece because the pulleys stick out too far to fit in. Pay very close attention to getting the holes in the drums and pulley rollers centered. This will save a lot of headache. I was almost on but the belt rollers are just a bit off of really smooth feeding. At least tracking hasn't been a problem. Funny thing is I ordered a Supermax before I even got a motor for the DIY

[@Chris.Davies]

Very cool machine. Nicely done. To get more grit for your buck, you could measure the angle the sander belt wraps around the drum, and make your initial cut through the belt at that same angle, then you'd be sanding all the way to the edge of the drum, all the way around.

[@jansempels2663]

The two of you sound like an old married couple !! Great !!

[@JimCoogan_CoogansWorkshop]

Can't wait to see the plans for this one. Great build.

[@taquitosensei]

So far enjoying building this. Its really stretching my abilities. A couple of notes. For the micro adjustment I cant find 3/4 carriage bolts. Can i use hex bolts or 1/2" carriage. The directions say 1/4" rod. But all the pictures and video shows larger at least 3/8. Its too late now for the rollers. But im changing the height adjustment. 1/4 fender washers are too small for the height adjustment. Also the two mdf panels need to be 21 1/8 by 17. Not 19 3/4.

[@leemcminn4978]

Stumpy, have you thought about making this so it can work off your table saw? You could just create a pulley to put on the blade axle and connect the belt that way. This would be helpful to those of us with small workshops and even less money. Instead of having to find a motor, we could just use the one on our table saw.

[@charlesukwumaka1779]

Lee Mcminn like

[@wcroyal]

Great project and another great video. I got a chuckle from the "flick" at 11:30.

[@StumpyNubs]

My wife said it was immature... 18 years of marriage and she still expects me to act like an adult!

[@markw3598]

Stumpy Nubs WOMEN!!!!!!! They will never learn.

[@TheShavingWoodWorkshop]

Nicely done Stumpy.

[@StumpyNubs]

Glad you liked it!

[@cybercapri]

Excellent project and nice upgrades....

[@StumpyNubs]

Thanks, Paul!

[@l3ender15]

This looks fantastic. I will definitely be buying the plans and building it!!

[@StumpyNubs]

Plans will be up in a few days. Thanks!

[@gregbenwell6173]

Has me dying in 2020 STILL at the "Mathias could do it" jab!! LOL

[@darrellelven9391]

Just finished building this sander. The pipe was unexpectedly out of round. Flat sanding would have taken forever. I wound up making a router bridge above the pipe and using a flattening but while rotating the drum. Lots of PVC chips but very round drum.

[@dougshaw9701]

woo hoo been looking for plans so got them Thanks for this video

[@Seanfrtd]

First time I've seen this video, and there are already several improvements that have to be done to this design.

[@brewermoe883]

such as?

[@Seanfrtd]

@@brewermoe883 using one motor to turn both the sanding head and the feed table

[@Faber_Nox]

stumpy bring back the funny intros

[@sretchko]

Great sander Stumps! can't wait to get the plans. I used 2" thick mahogany block for bearings with a 1/16" oil hole. My 18" drum sander has been going strong for 10 years with no wear in the mahogany bearing. Mahogany is perfect because its porous to soak up the oil and hard enough to not wear out. Of course I used a solid shaft, to use a threaded shaft mahogany wouldn't work. After seeing this one it's definitely time for an upgrade to replaceable drums. Thanks!

[@Bloodangel1977]

I love the Abbott and Costello bit =)

[@mrbandit007]

Love the humoir. I'm from Gothenburg.... But I do get lost some times.

[@michaelthomas7437]

Have a great new year and get yourself a cold one, you've earned it my friend. Mick in the U/K

[@Shopwolfe]

Built the sander. Now I just have to fine tune it. I was pretty easy. My problem now is that the discs for the drums were perfectly centered and I have to redo those. Thanks! Cost me about $200. Plus I will spend another 100 for auto feed dc motor set up

[@kcubs222]

Stumpy, have you ever thought of using a tread mill drum. Having torn apart two tread mills for other projects there is almost every piece you will need

[@Shopbuilt]

Pretty sweet!

[@adamtanderson75]

I have wached this video about a dozen time and I still laugh at Mike holding the palm sander every time.

[@hamstereyes]

Wow, amazing! Best plan and system yet. -Gary

[@dalefarmer4160]

I’ve been working on this drum sander for a couple of months. The biggest issue I’ve run into is that the drum seized up after about a minute of operation. I’ve reviewed the instructions and can’t figure out what the problem is.

[@thomashanson6607]

I hope to build one but while watching the video at 13:33 I noticed the infeed assembly going up and down as you cranked the handle. What kind of thickness tolerances are you able to make the sander hold? .

[@StumpyNubs]

I didn't have it locked down. There is a lock to secure it. It can do 4" thick.

[@stuartmunn4932]

Hi Stumpy, I made this sander from your plans, I did send some questions about the tuning and balancing but not received any reply. Also quite a few of the measurements on the plans are not correct. However thats not a big issue, but I would like to see the tuning and balancing video One of the problems I've had is making the plastic drum properly round which of course causing BIG issues with vibration. I have a solution for that but it means making a jig! Anyway I think the sander will work eventually but dont expect it to a simple build and tune up. Cheers Stuart from Scotland.

[@StumpyNubs]

There are some measurement corrections posted on our website in the "homemade tools" section. (See corrections and additions box). We will be making the balancing video as soon as we can. If you wish to do it sooner it is pretty simple. Tilt the table upward until it touches the PVC drum (without sandpaper on the drum) and lock it in place. Use the adjustment screws on the block that supports the end of the drum to adjust the drum as parallel to the table as you can. (Raising or lowering the end of the drum via that block with the bearing in it.) Then attach some course sandpaper sheets to a piece of flat plywood or MDF. I used a staple gun to attach them. Turn on the sander, again with no paper on the PVC drum, and feed the plywood beneath the drum. You are sanding the PVC down, making it parallel to the table. Once the entire length of the PVC is been sanded, you know it is balanced and parallel to the table. Repeat the process with any other drums you wish to make.

[@stuartmunn4932]

Stumpy thanks for quick response, Thats an easier way to true the drum than I thought up :) I'll give it a go and report back. I enjoy your lessons very funny ! cheers Stuart

[@marknantais8283]

Great video,you guys crack me up.I'll be watching more from you guys.Thanks

[@JeffreyFeyh-rb4xk]

That's great building

[@dougmulle2627]

One of your best videos! Now I have a craving for pudding

[@SteveFrenchWoodNStuff]

Stumpy Nubs What's the ETA on the plans for this one? I have money I want to give you!

[@BackyardWoodworking]

Very nice indeed. Drum sander are so expensive to buy. This looks like a good solution to that problem. Thanks Stump and Mike. Roland

[@StumpyNubs]

The Stash has a Grizzly drum sander in his shop. Now I have this one. Hopefully now he'll stop saying "Na-Na! I have a drum sander and you don't!"

[@BackyardWoodworking]

LOL and your was cheaper Thanks again

[@gjdewald]

Stumpy Nubs Do you have to hand crank the Grizzly drum sander?

[@TheDirtFighter]

That is a really cool "home made" sander..I noticed this is the improved model and since you like to revisit and improve past projects...I see a twin drum duel grit sander in the future :)

[@ZafodB3]

What is the maximum width project/board (in my case a glued front and back of a guitar) and minimum thickness assuming I may have to use an MDF platform to achieve this, for this sander?

[@joethrift1926]

Very nice. Would a belt from a treadmill work as the feed belt? The treadmill has adjusters for tracking and speed control for the motor.

[@StumpyNubs]

I think it would. It would make a big sander unless you could size it down. But it would be do-able!

[@gregaltenhofel7326]

Now that this is little more than a year old how is it holding up? How much use does it get?

[@Rob-Hannon]

The quick change drums are brilliant, but how does the PVC hold up to the heat from sanding? I have heat bent 2" pvc with heat. Would an irregular surface or to aggressive of a pass warp the drum?

[@StumpyNubs]

The sander runs at a slow speed. There is really no heat to speak of.

[@scottmc2626]

@@StumpyNubs But you did recommend using a heat gun to remove the sanding belt from the drum. White PVC would deform and melt under even gentle heat.

[@mtabernig]

Very good job, excellent workmanship. I just finnish with mine. @

[@ralph5450]

4:18 Why does Danny Kaye come to mind?🤔

[@claudeelliott3993]

Tried to access your plans for this drumsander and got an error that the page was not available?? What's going on??

[@StumpyNubs]

stumpynubs.com/product/dual-stage-drum-sander/

[@garyhorton6652]

Very informative and entertaining.

[@ideaguyinks]

I'm really late to the party, but I noticed something in your video that needs explanation. If you go to 13:30 to 13:37 it appears that as you turn the crank, the table moves up and down. How can this sander give you consistent dimensions with that kind of movement? Maybe it's not intended for that purpose and it's just for random sanding.

[@StumpyNubs]

The table wasn't locked in place when I filmed that.

[@mrx.2233]

Another question: Is Sander constructed from Birch Ply? Don't have hearing, hence cannot listen to audio

[@StumpyNubs]

Yes.

[@mrx.2233]

Mr Stumpy Nubs, I cannot help being distracted by the millions or saws and planers behind you. Are you restoring them or just collecting? Sorry I know off topic but I had to ask.

[@StumpyNubs]

I use some, collect others.

[@lexboegen]

Great idea and well thought-out implementation too! I suggest not making the wooded handle for the feed belt, but instead just use an electric drill (with variable speeds and a trigger lock) instead.

[@WoodsconsinWoodworking]

Man that talk of pudding and pie made me hungry. Lmao well great build stumpy. Keep them coming.

[@handyman1310]

you're awsome stumpy. funny as heck too

[@MrMarkpeggy]

Wow James, I just found this cool video in the way back machine. It was nice to see your dad in this episode. How is Mike doing these days?

[@StumpyNubs]

He's fine. Doesn't get on camera much. But he occasionally shows up in the vlog videos.

[@thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549]

Best Video you've produced! You answered my complaint that you don't shoe you using these. Nice job! Clear, cocise and you explained how it got to where it is. Yo've incorporated a belt and answed complaints about the jet and grizzly belt tracking issues. I've got the old plans but I'm getting the new ones. And you've kept your sense of humor. Almost an Abbot and Costello routine. LOL! Ask Mike he'll know who they are! Cudos on this production. I'm not sure if it's my end or yours but the video was at times fuzzy?

[@CustomWoodCreations]

I tried downloading the plans but the link doesn’t work.

[@IH1940HAY]

Is this a Home shop Cooking Show, first Pudding then Pie what next??? LOL Thanks for all your neat videos.

[@mattharouff3437]

Would it be worth while to get 3 handheld belt sanders then rig them to operate together as a drum sander? Is that a sound idea or maybe it's been debunked by someone. I do love the idea of this build.

[@pikubird]

Good design! Now add a 12v motor to the spinning tray and that will make things a lot better

[@mrfrontranger7911]

thru out the vid I noticed alot of movement of the base,and feed mech, seems like racking. Have you noticed any stability problems. Anything you'd improve on now that youve used yours for a while? I have the plans now, so just wondering??????

[@StumpyNubs]

greg d - The only movement is a bit of side to side in the drive table, which has no effect on the performance and can be fixed with a couple of spacers in the pivot rod. But that problem was solved before I finished the plans. It's only in my sander.

[@mrfrontranger7911]

Stumpy Nubs thanks for the quick reply Ill get started now

[@hofnerbass]

Flickin' the boogie at the "stash".... I'm peeing in my pants laughing.

[@xu8389]

what is the name of the song from 2:00 to 2:29 minute thanks. excellent video.

[@Albert_Riseal]

I know your comment is since seven years ago, but: Did you find the name of that song?

[@xu8389]

@@Albert_Riseal I do not know :)

[@taylorrichardson7940]

I was wondering if you had any ideas on how to make a wire wheel drum to use with this

[@StumpyNubs]

I wouldn't recommend that. A big spinning cylinder with a bunch of wires stuck to it sounds like an injury waiting to happen.

[@taylorrichardson7940]

@@StumpyNubs what I meant to say was nylon bristles. Like the makita 9741 just not 500 bucks

[@confesortroche6245]

Do you have plans for this item.

[@RyansCustomWoodworking]

In the description there is a link to his website

[@wcndave]

Nice vid. The plans say Luckily we've produced a video walking you through the process (of tuning and balancing), however i've never been able to find that video. Also, I wanted ot write the corrections directly onto the PDF, however the protection you've afforded it means one can't. Would it not be better to update the plans online so we can download corrected ones? Thanks!

[@chrisking3849]

well I order the drum sander plans, not received?

[@StumpyNubs]

Email through the website and I'll be happy to help.

[@razorblades5729]

Could split top sanding table and put a planer blade in place of sanding drum. Might have up the rpms though

[@docjim1180]

The belts last a lot longer if you use a plastic dressing stick while sanding. It stops the burn marks on the paper.

[@kenbarker6478]

Hello Stumpy, I think the double duty feature of your sander is brilliant. When I order plans will they be a hard copy or downloadable?

[@StumpyNubs]

Thanks for the compliment! All of our plans are downloadable.

[@l3ender15]

Stumpy Nubs Any ETA on plans? Site doesn't look like they have them yet

[@topgundk]

"Matthias could do it" talk about a I DARE YOU :) Very nice project fellows, very nice. Funny and high quality video production like always

[@StumpyNubs]

No, not a dare. Just a joke. He's proven his abilities far more than I have! Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!

[@leonardsean01]

Hey Stumpy, Just wondering what the (approximate) cost of materials would be to produce the sander, and also what tools are required (i.e. jigsaw, drillpress, etc.)

[@PeterPasieka]

One of the funniest videos I've seen from you guys. LOL

[@GFStodtmeister]

I've watched this video several times and laughed at you're nose picking, but it wasn't until this last viewing that I saw you flick your booger at Mustache Mike! Now, that's entertainment! Besides that, great video, as always.

[@lauramarshall6376]

"The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true." :)

[@davidchester5784]

Does this design go down to zero thickness? I'm looking to build a drum sander for acoustic guitar building where I need to thickness parts down to around 2mm.

[@shanejohnson800]

You guys are awesome

[@mrbandit007]

OMG! Change drums! I just spoike to my wiife about this,, insinuating (correcword?) I have to to think harder.. But there's people as smart as I like to bo be.. Thnx!

[@mickeycox56]

So when are the planes going to be ready?

[@deanrichards9541]

Hi Guys, can you please confirm what the drum RPM ended up being. You mentioned that the motor is faster than 3700rpm but never actually stated what it actually isand what the 75% reduction came down to. Thanks, Dean

[@StumpyNubs]

I have no idea. It doesn't really matter. You want it running as slowly as possible. If you have a slow speed motor, you're probably fine with a 1:1 pulley setup, but a reduction is still nice to have. If you have a fast speed motor, go as small as possible on the motor shaft pulley and as large as possible on the drum shaft.

[@kmorgan631]

Where did you get the bearings and surface mount flanges? I am seeing combination bearings mounted inside of flanges, but am having trouble figuring out exactly what to buy.

[@StumpyNubs]

I bought mine at Tractor Supply Co. If integrated flange bearings will fit on the machine with the flange sticking above the table, you can use them. Or you can make flanges from hardwood.

[@onurkayali2554]

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[@timestandingstill]

I can't get logged in to buy your plans. I'm using paypal,