Su-17M4 In War Thunder : A Quick Review

Taking a look at the final evolution of the original Su-7 from the 1950s.
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[@patq1924]

How do you not have more subscribers dude?? You are probably the most informative WT creator out there and you have really helped me play a lot of jets.

[@Thunderbox247]

This channel is my go to to learn how to counter each plane

[@TimsVariety]

The algorithm PUNISHES variety channels like mine pretty hard, and I don't really do a lot of advertising or anything. I also don't beg for subs the way some channels do, and believe it or not over half the views on all my stuff are non-subs.

[@its__russian284]

@@TimsVariety all that matters to us is how good your videos are, thanks for making them

[@ODST_Parker]

@@TimsVariety You're right about that. I had never heard of you for a long time, until I randomly caught one of your reviews while searching for something else. Been hooked ever since.

[@sztypettto]

Not his fault. If this were a channel where you had some girls talking about unoriginal stuff, it would have millions of views and subscribers. #Priorities.

[@mayonotes9849]

I like how this plane is just vastly superior than the Su-22, UM3K and Su-17M2 yet sits at the same BR.

[@TheVoitokas]

It's a powercrept those others thats for sure. >260 flares vs 12 on SU22 vs 0 on M2, R60M vs R60 and it gets a TV missile. Makes absolutely no sense. This can and should be 11.0 but those lesser models should be 10.7 and 10.3 pretty much. Even the german one is superior to SU22 or M2, although that is worse than this M4.

[@SpartanJey1219]

@@TheVoitokas in real life the Su-22M3 has as much flares as Um3k I'm not sure if it had as much as the Su-17M4 but it definitely had more than 12

[@Drillz007]

compression...

[@billcollecter4728]

The Kh-29 K/L looks like a bigger R-60

[@TimsVariety]

Funny you mention that, the shape of the Kh-29 actually WAS based on scaling up the fuselage design of the R-60 missile.

[@sztypettto]

Thoroughly enjoyed all your Su-17 videos. It's my favourite strike fighter from the cold war era. Unfortunately it did not get a lot of recognition in real life.

[@bb-152ussmeta9]

Certainly a fun one to fly, and being able to support the rest of the fighters with the 6 R60's is such a blast to pull off

[@roanferguson8873]

Tim, you're one of the few creators in general that I actually get excited about.

[@TimsVariety]

o7

[@josephb2280]

I’m always jealous of how other people can hover over the battlefield and be completely fine, but when I spawn in a plane I get deleted by an SPAA before I even reach the battle lol

[@TimsVariety]

For every successful CAS sortie I get, I end up swatted out before taking a single shot at least twice. The 2-to-1 ratio seems fairly consistent for me above BR 9.0 or so.

[@Falkenlp3]

Ngl one of the best WT tuber.

[@ODST_Parker]

I agree with you on the camos, I just can't really get behind any of them. It's probably asking way too much of Gaijin, but I really wish each plane had a completely plain (with national markings) skin for some of its historical camo patterns. No decoration like shark teeth, no unit identification, etc. Most props have this, but a lot of jets are painted and marked as if they're a specific individual, and it's always a tiny bit jarring to see half a dozen of them on the same battlefield.

[@DrSabot-A]

The Korean War jets are very guilty of this, especially the F-84G it literally has no room for decor

[@ODST_Parker]

@@DrSabot-A At least the Italian one is blank and leaves room for the 51 Stormo decal on the tail. Sadly, their F-84F is just two different specific squadron skins.

[@carloshernandezsanchez1877]

The Chinese F-84G has a Miami heat decal 😂

[@ofekk213]

how easy/hard wingsweep is to control will always depend of your keybinds, mine are easily accessible and i never find it difficult to change wingsweep infact, i run on manual most of the time. the radar is also pretty usefull as now radar rangefinders can slave missiles, so the radar on the Su-17M4 can be used as a quasi high off-boresight HMS and help you to get a lock without the nose being right on the enemy, or help you maintain a lock if the enemy spams flares.

[@MausOfTheHouse]

If only the Brits got a similar fighter-bomber at 11.3... I think it's called the tempest, no, whirlwind, no, it's the tornado.

[@mab2187]

In one of the match with my Fitter M2, I dogfighted two Tomcats and won... I got lucky yes but I did put in the skills to work using flaps and straight wing sweep and tactics. Take that Gulf of Sidra lel

[@thesolidangel3086]

Hey Tim. Love your videos! Please keep making them. You're great, man!

[@marchamill]

As usual ! A great job done here. I can't agree more with you on this plane. I really love it.

[@SebastianRestrepo343]

Awesome vid Tim!. Keep it going :D

[@solid_fire9388]

idk why gaijin give us all these fitters, just give us the frogfoot and gg 🙂 great review as always

[@HunterDVincent]

I still lean toward the MiG-27K. The zoom is such a tremendous help with lining up targets to kill with the Kh-25's and using the 30mm cannon after a kill with a missile. Also just being able to kill someone while your 20kft in the air at mach 1.0+ is just so satisfying.

[@object7038]

I was in one of the games you played with this thing. I didn’t say anything but my friend did. I love your stuff and keep up the good work

[@eaststarling7805]

The first and best review on this thing

[@Anarcho-harambeism]

Again, high quality content as always

[@majo3488]

Insane that M2 and M4 share the same BR. :-) I just have M3 and UM3K and use just R-60 and the 500 kg bombs because the bad interface make the laser guided stuff almost useless for me.

[@STRYKER1467]

Su-22 is the export model, we have Su17M2 M3 & M4 as the best model, the next logical step would be a Su-24 or Su-25. While i personally favor the Su-24 it looks a little bit like a longer Su17 and also got swept wings but comes with a ton of new armament options such as anti ship missiles Kh-59 obviously they are deadly against tanks aswell, and very large bombs up to 1500KG

[@majo3488]

@@STRYKER1467 I know that the -17 and -22 are domestic and export. I must meant that both Su-17s in game share the same BR is insane.

[@STRYKER1467]

@@majo3488 Well yeah i think the first one could easily be 10.3 put the 22 on 10.7 and the m4 is fine where it is. Well the M2 used to be on 10.3 upon introduction.

[@rileygayming6933]

Something to note is that you can use the TV screen on the 29Ts with the manual 23Ms to guide them with quite amazing accuracy. So if you want even more kills than you're already getting in this, take them both out and snipe people with those manual missiles.

[@meatballwanger]

This is the best thing I ever saw.

[@matejk1889]

I love these reviews! Could you do one for the F-4C?

[@TimsVariety]

I'm sure I'll get to it eventually.

[@Stale_Mahoney]

would be cool to see some reviews of the swede jets, even tho they got the issue about not having tracer's in the ammo belts for some reasion

[@jordancourse5102]

I'd still use the MiG-27K over the su17.

[@TimsVariety]

The 27-k will be getting a review at some point as well - another monster!

[@yongli8276]

MiG-27k is definitely better but hitting tanks with unguided rockets give me the big dopamine hit. With the Kh-29T, you can snipe spaa from spawn and then have some fun with your rockets for a short time before spaa spawn back up.

[@MrPokemonWT]

M2 and M4 at the same br is quite uncanny xd ik it's a result of the 6 r60 spam back in the day but still anyone can see what's wrong with the brs, m2 could be atleast 10.3 since the mig21 with 4 is around that br as well

[@OneMoreDesu]

Haven't flow it yet, but it's a good looking jet by my tastes

[@schultz7613]

i sense frogfoot gonna be next SU family tree

[@cult_of_frogs3135]

common tims variety W

[@matthewmcclenahan2483]

Su22M4(Russia): (11.0 BR) Gets 6 all aspect R60m Gets access to the KH29T(best AGM in the game) Gets 256 Countermeasures Gets 2 30mm Cannons built in, with an optional addition of 4 extra 23mm gun pods. Can carry a total of 8 500kg bombs(enough to destroy 2 bases at top tier) Su22UM3k(11.0 BR) (Germany(suffers)) Gets 4 all aspect R60m Only Gets access to the KH29L with its terrible UI and lack of zoom. Gets 128 countermeasures Has only 1 30mm cannon built in, and can only take 2 extra 23mm gun pods. Can carry a total of 6 500kg bombs, enough to destroy 1.5 bases worth. How is this thing at the SAME BR?? this is Russian favoritism if I've ever seen it.

[@stallionprime4509]

Its even funnier when you realize that the su22um3k is Germany's ONLY strike fighter in the entire 11.0-9.0 bracket, while Russia has the 2 mig27 varients(arguably better than the UM3k), the Su22m3/Su17m2, and now the Su17m4.

[@omeganova9689]

wtf is gaijin doing

[@dronesdrones8713]

256 flares is just insulting to jet players who have to deal with the bulls*** flare count of jets like the mig23mf and su22m3

[@TheVoitokas]

Still though the german one is better than either M2 or M3 in ussr tree, because at least it has flares and all aspect which both (M2 and M3) ussr models lack. All Su17 have the same br for some reason even though these get better each iteration M2

[@redkaladin6864]

@@stallionprime4509 The USSR didn't tend to give their allies all the goodies. I'm not surprised the German one is less capable.

[@lucaviner265]

Nice Good content mate

[@Toast140]

do you think you could a review on the f100 its a very underperforming plane and i dont hear much about it anymore

[@valrond]

I remember when it came out and it was top tier. Supersonic.

[@TimsVariety]

I'll get to it eventually :-)

[@manmeh4r]

tshis video needs more views bud

[@TimsVariety]

Its only been up for a few hours :-)

[@pwnzor3469]

is the su22m4 the same as this, if ever added for say like germany?

[@B52Stratofortress1]

Essentially. I'm still baffled that they added the 2 seat trainer Su-22UM3K to Germany (has a lighter warload and less guns) instead of waiting for the Su-22M4. East Germany only ever operated 4 of the Su-22UM3K.

[@pwnzor3469]

@@B52Stratofortress1 yes but what I meant is like can it carry the kh29t bc I can't be bothered to use kh29l sight

[@brofran]

@@pwnzor3469 yes

[@sambetts7958]

Damn they gave the m4 256 flares but the m3 still only has 12 and doesn’t even get custom load outs like the other su17s

[@eaststarling7805]

M4 has 256 external flares, 12 internal, total 268

[@Tourkofagosss]

Should I do the final grind for the su27 with the mig23mld, su17m4 or su25k?

[@TimsVariety]

I'd answer that question with two follow-up questions: Which one do you have the most fun with? Which one do you generally get the most points with?

[@Tourkofagosss]

@@TimsVariety Im currently researching the mld so i haven’t played it yet, the su25 was nice until now cause it gave that premium buff but it doesn’t count for the su27 so Idk since it’s kinda slow too. And about the su17, doesn’t seem that bad but i will have to spade it

[@lk_ludikruc8358]

Why would I take this over the MiG-27K other then the lower spawn cost but a worse targeting cammera?

[@eaststarling7805]

More countermeasures, more r60s

[@sneakybuddy8084]

How to play MiG-23MLD?

[@anonymous63332]

Kh29t can destroy other planes in a head on

[@HelminthCombos]

all of the Su-17/22 are 11.0 but only this one and German one should be 11.0. The rest 10.3.

[@zodio_gamer6432]

Still su22m3 better

[@tylerdurden629]

Worse than the M4

[@zodio_gamer6432]

@@tylerdurden629 Proof

[@tylerdurden629]

@@zodio_gamer6432 Su22M4(Russia): (11.0 BR) Gets 6 all aspect R60m Gets access to the KH29T (best AGM in the game) Gets 256 Countermeasures Gets 2 30mm Cannons built in, with an optional addition of 4 extra 23mm gun pods. Can carry a total of 8 500kg bombs (enough to destroy 2 bases at top tier) Su22UM3k(11.0 BR) (Germany (suffers)) Gets 4 all aspect R60m Only Gets access to the KH29L with its terrible Ul and lack of zoom. Gets 128 countermeasures Has only 1 30mm cannon built in, and can only take 2 extra 23mm gun pods. Can carry a total of 6 500kg bombs, enough to destroy 1.5 bases worth.

[@zodio_gamer6432]

@@tylerdurden629 Soo where the point you tell me its worse them m4?

[@zodio_gamer6432]

@@tylerdurden629 its syrian and can des 2 bases