SU-27 Flanker Vs F-16 Viper BVR Dogfight Taking My Chances | DCS World

[@LongShotChannel]

Want a PC to join DCS? apexpartner.app/redirect/longshot Check out the Store: www.longshotstore.com/ Join the Discord channel: discord.gg/drNE6bT Hey guys! In this video I'm in the SU27 Flanker fighting against the F16 Viper flown by Boot, Thank you buddy for the help. This video is about learning and trying something new that I see a lot in public servers. I think there is something in this tactic and It needed to be more fine tuned. Hope you guys Enjoy!

[@Oshibka_novichka]

Red jet fighter - true su27 cool virpil dogfighter channel

[@ovisteaua9191]

Hey longshot lets put bet make live video qnd a bet System pls

[@samcy9551]

Longshot... I really like your content. The ratio between cockpit view and external view is well balanced. Great flying.

[@LongShotChannel]

Thats really great to hear. Thank you

[@SledgeFox]

I second that!

[@krokodylq]

I can agree with that. You’re and Growling are my favourites yt-ers in DCS

[@theclassicliberal1915]

That’s a great observation and I agree. The perfect balance

[@zlo5665]

A very serious error when switching to close combat. When you turn on vertical scanning, you use the ТПРЛ mode, but in this mode, the locking range is limited to 10 km. For full locking range at 20+km, use ТП mode or РЛ mode, but never use ТПРЛ.

[@LongShotChannel]

I will. Thanks

[@johnxina6823]

Good information

[@William3000x]

How do you change between these modes? Just press the 3 key again?

[@zlo5665]

@@William3000x No, they are switched by the same buttons that control the radar and EO.

[@johnxina6823]

@@William3000x 2 3 4 and 5

[@auqanova]

A big thing about the flankers, is that your missiles are faster and also longer range. You just gotta learn that the first missile is mostly to convince them to fire a missile outside their own range while they defend, and then fire a deadlier missile in the follow up. Once you see your first missile has sent them defensive that missile has done its job, and you should focus on setting up the next while defending theirs. Your missile also can and will kill them from like 10km longer than rmax if they disrespect it, and the flanker has more than enough missiles for one fight, so don't worry about the Longshots. Another fun flanker thing is that the rwrs signal strength indicator can be used to find out if a missile is dangerous still. As the fox 3 gets closer the signal strength will grow, and while your defending if you see the missiles strength isn't increasing anymore, you know the missile is beat and you may recommit. You also can see the heading of the opponents plane when locked, so if you see them turn cold that's a good indicator that you have a chance to do some stealth bullshit while they hope the amraam scares you. Just pop below the hills to dodge the amraam and pop back up some distance away from where they expect you with an ir lock. I'm gonna toss a recommendation your way, if you'd like some examples on bvr, check out sukhoi gaming channel. I've got a positive k/d in my flanker following his bvr guides. Unfortunately he doesn't do commentary on his videos, so you do need to be pretty fast and already knowledgeable to really follow along well.

[@marko91st]

Your advices are the best thing I have ever read about Flankers... thanks, mate 😊

[@auqanova]

@@marko91st hey glad it helped! like i said i learned all that from sukhoi, so if you want to see all that in action check them out.

[@timsullivan4566]

Very intense - even scary at times. Great match-up, GREAT video! Thanks so much, L.S.

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you for the support

[@timsullivan4566]

@@LongShotChannel I'd have to be an a-hole to not be grateful!

[@mekafka6756]

Love watching you grind in the flankers...The Flanker's content just keeps getting amazing

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you, glad to hear you having fun

[@CJFreeza]

I have to agree with this 🙂

[@SledgeFox]

It's such a beautiful aircraft.

[@lilletrille8998]

Great fights Longshot - real nail biter! I can not thank you enough for making these videos they are so much fun to watch!

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you so much! Thats really makes me happy to hear that

[@carcamp5451]

It's all about science and education. Truly unbiased Channel ♡♡♡.

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you buddy

[@SPAMsammiches]

The Flanker is just such a beautiful aircraft

[@ГеоргийМурзич]

FC3 ECM doesn't affect FF modules, but give away your position and help to guide enemy missiles at you. Just sayin

[@S1lverspike]

This whole time I thought I was doing something wow!

[@SledgeFox]

I'd just like to thank you! A very exciting and fun fight, god bless your humour! I had so much fun!

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you very much, I'm glad to hear that

[@knndyskful]

“That missile is not that dangerous” lol famous last words :D

[@CMarkem]

Great work, love flying the flankers, all I play pvp wise these days the challenge of the limited missles makes it fun

[@Max_Da_G]

Soviet, and now Russian, method of BVR was to fire a mixed long-range salvo: fox-1 and fox-2 against a single target. It made defending more of a pain because defending is obviously is rather different between SARH and IR.

[@S1lverspike]

I was doing this without even knowing this. I never Expect my fox 1 to hit but that fox2 is stealthy and they never see it coming until it’s too late.

[@Max_Da_G]

​@@S1lverspike It's a logical thing: make the enemy start maneuvering to defeat SAHR, and in turn expose the REAR of the plane to the IR seeker. Also when defending, use of afterburner is commonplace, which makes the IR missile all the happier with a FAR fatter IR signature to chase. And as you said the guy on the receiving end has no idea that there is a SECOND missile inbound :D Unless he has MAWS which is another discussion :)

[@dioad1739]

Great job Longshot and a very lethal technique.

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you buddy!

[@dstavs]

A little late to this party… If fighter plane’s effectiveness was based on appearance alone, the Flanker would be the deadliest plane in the sky. Great flying LS.

[@mauriciosanchez144]

Agreed. It looks menacing. Sure it’s not gonna be effective anymore against the new stealth fighters, but being used by dozens of air forces world wide, it’s truly the Swiss Army knife of fighter jets. Still gets the job done in Ukraine.

[@princefares7084]

Best SU pilot by far u deserve the Su35 with R77-1 missile Looking forward to your next Su vidz Thank you.

[@theyhatekath]

Awesome video as always. Good commentary

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks

[@lbuckl3110]

The Flankers can be very deadly with the 27er and 27et combos

[@danielberger1378]

That fight was just plain awesome to watch 💪

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you very much

[@342Rodry]

9:51 you can sense the frustration there

[@jamesd4013]

Great fight. I like seeing the pilot modeled in the cockpit.

[@tenpara3]

hey longshot, been watching you and GS for at least a couple years now give or take, and I can not seem to pin point where your accent is from. cheers from indiana man 🤘🏼

[@Faded-420]

The only way we learn is through trial and error my friend… this is how we evolve. Now you know that fox2’s won’t work in that situation lol

[@LongShotChannel]

Yup, sure am

[@popiwatv]

Only if it was real life, he'd be dead. So it'd be too late to learn

[@Faded-420]

@@popiwatv but it’s not, it’s a simulator. So let the learning commence…

[@bobbymaxwell1097]

Been watching u since u and gs started....one word....AWESOME:) ashamed I just subscribed im here now keep grinding brotha:)

[@LongShotChannel]

Thank you very much!

[@lucasZr113]

Great video man, nice to see the 27 the being able to fight the viper

[@HitAndMissLab]

Challenging oneself is always going to make for great video. Thanks!

[@dshupac]

Why launching a far fox 2 and then locking the enemy for defensive?

[@mikoyan27]

Nice one longshot you always pick up the challenges not on your favor…and ur video graphic awesome to watch

[@alirezarezaei2976]

Longshot please do more co-op videos with GS those videos are wild and so fun to watch Stay safe man you are great

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks buddy! Dont worry, more to come

[@alekosalekadis6095]

Wow great fight! You rock dude.

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks man

[@akarshanbhasin6324]

Flankers were made for you !

[@LongShotChannel]

I love this jet

[@m.andrews5578]

Nice try and error … was fun to watch and learned by the way … I like you doing challenges as the underdog

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks

[@mattmcbee7109]

In round 4, you can see him in the rear view mirror at 13:49. Right before you heard the sonic boom.

[@MADDOG-sq9oj]

I love the Su-27 and play it alot! I have a bit if questions for this video: when defending the first AMRAAM shot you are cranked then go cold breaking the lock, what if instead of going cold you crank back the other way? I know it's pretty aggressive but I feel especially with the first AMRAAM you should have room to do that And I might be mistaken but I never saw you utilize the changing of radar scan zones left and right, would have made for faster engagements when picking the bandit back up when recommitting. Was curious as to why not use this?

[@LongShotChannel]

I sometimes use the scan zonez to the sides, this time i didnt because i wanted to use the terrain more, so my nose hot when recommit. I think i did cranck to both sides trying to be more aggresive, it can be done, but it is more risky. Against AIM120C, I think I would not do It.

[@MADDOG-sq9oj]

@@LongShotChannel makes sense! I am still learning of course so I just wanted to ask these kinds of things :)

[@LongShotChannel]

Sure buddy

[@MattH-wg7ou]

A 60 degree sweep to the side where you expect the bandit will significantly decrease acquisition time, especially with a Mech scan radar.

[@MADDOG-sq9oj]

so pointing the radar in the direction of the bandit will not pick them up faster? I'm confused

[@corvette7784]

Longshot sounded more pumped up during this video 😆 🤣

[@Steve_Hayden]

Longshot, first it's so cool that you reply to the comments. I've been watching your viddies, and I've heard you say that the radar want looking in the right place. Or you were aiming the radar to look high in the sky. I assumed that the radar could see everything in front of you. ...... So how much of the sky can radar see? 90°s , less?

[@onogrirwin]

There was a dubstep song/album that basically had Longshot's logo as the cover art... anyone know what I'm talking about? I can't remember and it bugs me.

[@MeanStreakGaming]

Love your vids man, Great stuff. I'd like some co-op flying in the near future if possible, as I just started my own channel.

[@AugustSchroif]

Lyrics: - Предельный угол атаки. - Переведи в забор.

[@tatenapier7365]

New sub, I should have already been sub been watching you flying for a Long time on Growling Sidewinder, great vid definitely different you don't care to loose excellence quality..

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks buddy. And welcome

[@deadshot4245]

you Gs and shotgun need to take on the foxhounds again maybe try and find enough to fly either a 4 man wing to get to the merge those missiles screaming in on the notch was amazing

[@brianpercival1829]

I'm not the onlyone getting shot out of the sky. But it happens to me too often. Another great video.

[@kristofnagy5829]

I would have tried to make advantage of the higher service ceiling of the SU-27. I don't know, if that could compensate for the loadout imbalance, but one thing is sure. The vide would have been shorter :D

[@skydrop9215]

Your videos are just beautiful, as well as educational. What do you do in post to achieve the look?

[@LongShotChannel]

Thanks! I just put it all together.

[@FubukiZER0_Productions]

When the missle exploded by him it was so cool

[@ShawnF0912]

That first missile tho 😆, the fox2 doesn't have Datalink. It needs the seeker to gain lock. So u r better off leaving launch authorization enabled

[@robertkalinic335]

I swear, you can pick random su27 video from the most popular yt dcs creators and they all every single one dont know basic stuff how to use that plane. Small channels have all useful info you need on su27 and bigger ones cry about fox1s being hard with people falling on their knees over recording of someone playing versus ai.

[@warhead_beast7661]

Im thinking about starting with DCS (I have flaming cliffs 3) but I don't know if I should go for the Su 27 or F15C first

[@plutus205]

Does the US have missiles with "Photo Lock" Most missiles are heat seekers but what about a missile that locks on to the picture of a jet. Like if the missile can just follow the jet around because it knows what a jet looks like. Do we have that technology yet?

[@coquenomisticov5023]

I don't know why they don't release the Su-27SK he can carry Fox3

[@tdm5100]

Longshort is a good guy !

[@2rhx]

What do you use? High radar or medium?

[@valenxsity]

btw um don't use afterburner and flares,it can track your afterburner as it's heat is bigger than the flares

[@truthseeker9454]

Another great video, LS! Quick question: Going into this engagement, did the F-16 driver know you didn't have Fox-3s?

[@LongShotChannel]

I didnt tell him, but we didnt use any mod. And in DCS there is no option to give the SU27 fox 3 unless using a mod

[@silverman785]

Love these

[@-fulcrumer]

You should do a BVR fight with the MiG 29 it has some good capabilities

[@tomdarco2223]

You are a Great Trainer

[@312pratik]

Longshot. Please make a video on dogfight between SU-30 MKI and F-16

[@opalyezzz9117]

so cool 😎😎

[@timothybayliss6680]

I kind of want to see someone take the MiG31 for a flight in a bvr engagement. I always liked the big Migs

[@sztypettto]

Growling Sidewinder did that in a F-14 and F-15.

[@charlesselrachski34]

can you get "gun dogfight only" with you using su-25t aimable gunpod mod and not tell your opponent ?

[@Real_Claudy_Focan]

Is it possible to go completely passive ? R-27ET + IRST only ?

[@ismaelsierra3757]

yes

[@dfpoor]

It looks like you are not using HMS at the merge

[@KMondy]

Why do you always fly into the sun?

[@LongShotChannel]

Always?

[@soumadip_banerjee]

❤️

[@coachwilson5967]

nice forest fire creation...lol

[@marko91st]

In my humble oppinion R27ET should be fired at its effective range... 'couse this missile is super dangerous, for example, you fire R27ER to force an oponent to go defencive, then fire R27ET at its effective range... before he know, he would eat that R27ET

[@jeffburnham6611]

For all of its beautifully detailed planes, these players still treat them like arcade games. Those aircraft wouldn't be able to make the kinds of turns during a dogfight they're making.

[@Zorgulon26]

A lot of people and servers have G-effect turned off so they're able to pull 9g until they run out of energy. I think it's whack but to each their own

[@xekoan507]

You know how to fly russian jets, btw f-16 is top tier, sooo the flanker Can bé deadly in skilled hands only unfortunately...

[@johnmiller3821]

can you do su 35 vs Rafael plz

[@dasimparmy2289]

It needs a little more FLANKER

[@MattH-wg7ou]

What is Rita saying? Pregyini attacki? Lol that's what it sounds like.

[@dass1333]

I will fire another. Why not? Hey that missile cost €940,000 quatloues!

[@robertrmckerrow1111]

🤟🏼

[@kotor1892]

Why does Flanker have poor acceleration compared to the falcon??

[@narcissus79]

Power to Weight ratio. Flanker is a huge airframe, almost as big as the f15, whereas the Viper is a lightweight fighter, essential a giant rocket on a tiny airframe. Think of the comparison as a chevy big block drag car vs a ford cortina or holden torana.

[@kotor1892]

@@narcissus79 but flanker has a good thrust to weight ratio ans an aerodynamic body.

[@narcissus79]

@@kotor1892 but not to the same level the viper does

[@narcissus79]

@@BBCRF i can't read Cyrillic mate

[@265justy]

I've seen both the Flanker and Viper perform at RIAT 2019 on the same day... Let me tell you there ain't much that can match or even beat the Viper on acceleration and rate off climb... Its a pure rocket....The Flanker is an over grown turkey in comparison but impressive to look at.

[@kentaur7148]

Since when was F-16's called Vipers? I thought they where called Falcons or Fighting Falcons (I might be wrong, if so tell me)

[@Faded-420]

They were nicknamed “viper” by pilots.. they are technically designated fighting falcons.. but viper sounds cooler..

[@kentaur7148]

@@Faded-420 it does certainly sound cooler

[@donkeytonks6466]

Pilots named the F-35 Panther and Fat Amy. Pilot names are always better than the official ones

[@Panzerzwerg]

Politics and real life stuff aside, the Flanker is easily in the top 3 of the sexiest 4th Gen Jet fighters.

[@edwardcostello8833]

That viper would not have gone vert at the merge he would have taken you to the 2 circle not in the vert

[@WatchDanReviews]

I would welcome a fox 2 if I had to hear that Russian woman say whatever she’s saying every 3 seconds 😂

[@pp_meistar5492]

hey guys am i cool?

[@omaral-maitah181]

isn't the Su-30 or MiG 29 the better competitor to the F16 ? 😕

[@jowenjv4463]

It's just a matter of generation. An equivalent -27 to the DCS F-16 would have R-77. Like the J-11. This is by design an unfair fight for the Flanker

[@omaral-maitah181]

@@jowenjv4463 exactly, I think its unfair to the Flanker

[@jowenjv4463]

@@omaral-maitah181 it's the goal of the video, what you can do in an unfair scenario

[@Steve_Hayden]

Why do Russian and Chinese fighter planes look a whole lot similar to the USA's planes? Do they see pics of the U.S. planes and copy them?

[@BloodSoilandSoul]

Russians generally make their own airframe. China however is known for copying foreign aircraft designs among many many MANY other things. Give it a Google whenever you're feeling extra curious.

[@Steve_Hayden]

@@BloodSoilandSoul Doesn't China get a lot of their planes from Russia? That su-27 kinda looked like a F-18. aNd the 'Felon' Su-57 almost look like the F-22 raptor

[@ser43_OLDC]

@@Steve_Hayden men the reason why all 5gen look similar is that the physics of reducing radar cross section are universal Why do they look similar to the f18 and the su27 well because in the early late 60 the planes that were being developed started to have a double tail and stylized airframes and double engines. Well also counts that the Americans get their hands in a mig 25 and they get many ideas from them, also the Russians since the mig25 have used a similar shape for all their fighters and interceptors

[@Steve_Hayden]

@@ser43_OLDC I see Edgar you're saying, but stealth physics is not universal. Think about the B2 , or the F117 fighter/bomber (why they call it a fighter, I'll never know). Or the much better and stealthier YF-23. It just looks like they copy the US planes. England makes different looking planes. The Euro fighter....etc. Look I know China hacks US companies and gets their intellectual property and sells it as their own. But I'd hate to think they've hacked our military or defense contractor's computers with all our secrets

[@ser43_OLDC]

@@Steve_Hayden when we are talking about 5 gen fighters the things aren't the same because a fighters have to be fast maneuverable and be small, so that's why all 5 gen fighters look similar and because there is no time to explore new desings when countries what they want is to have a 5 gen fighters the fastest they can and well most of the 5 gen took the 80 heavy twin-engine fighter concept Also, the EF2000 isn't British is a Anglo-German-Spanish-Italian project

[@tombrunila2695]

So, a video game programmed by somebody that has no knowledge of how either fighter will behave in a real dog fight!