Subaru CVT Problems EXPOSED: Everything You Need To Know As A Subaru Owner!

[@jerryturner8126]

This is THE most informative video I've ever seen on the Subaru CVTs. Thank you!

[@robertscotti7970]

Took mine to subaru and aamco All they told me was i needed a new transmission. Like he said big bucks. Then i took it to a mechanic that only works on subarus and he flushed the fluid and told me if the lights begins to come on again it would be time for a new valve body.. He actually offered to buy my car because he also fixes and resells them. His wifes has over 300k on hers.

[@vincentrobinette1507]

I think the solution is simple. Just equip the CVT with a spin-on oil filter and drain plug, similar to the engine. It should also be equipped with a dip stick, so the level can be checked, like the old school automatic transmissions. Make the transmission DIY serviceable. Just make sure the customer knows that they MUST use the EXACT specified fluid!

[@Zorbino88]

I've seen some CVT tear-downs and they look horrendously complicated, not something the average gear-head would want to tackle.

[@chrisshaffer2949]

They won't do that ,they want to force the customer to come to dealer for service

[@dm19609721]

that applies to all transmissions....2 things kill a transmission....heat and dirty fluid.....make the fluid change easier.

[@saucyspicy]

Just make sure the lube shop doesn’t get it mixed up with the engine oil filter and drain plug. It’s me I got it mixed up one time with an older Subaru automatic with a spin on filter😅😂 a mistake you make once and once only

[@hallkbrdz]

Just like the 4EAT and 5EAT. Still have a 5EAT outback with more than 200K with no issues. Just change the fluid and filter, which is easy.

[@swkohnle08]

Good discussion on the CVT. Up until 2016, every car I owned prior was a manual transmission. Just my preference. In 2016, I bought my first Subaru Outback with a CVT. My first ever Subaru. Bought it new and disregarded the US "lifetime" fluid and had the CVT drained and filled at regular intervals. At 120K miles, traded the 2016 in for a 2019 Subaru Outback and same maintenance routine and then traded in after 115K for a new 2023 Outback. My 2023 is coming up on its first CVT drain and fill. For me, maintenance is important since I cannot afford a breakdown. I drive from Maine to FL and all over the eastern half of the US for my job and my Outback takes me everywhere. Having been a VW/Audi owner for many years, I can say that Subaru maintenance is less expensive by far than the German manufacturer.

[@davidanderson8469]

I have 270K on my 2005 Honda Pilot. Fluid change every 30K. Shifts like new and the Honda uses a real auto.

[@jcrnda]

@@davidanderson8469 Honda Pilot mileage is what, 19 mpg average?

[@borgward9569]

@@davidanderson8469 Most Hondas use CVTs.

[@mikeolson7557]

@@borgward9569Not the Pilot or Ridgeline

[@davidanderson8469]

I passed on a Subaru and the Honda CRV for a 9 speed traditional auto on the Honda Passport. My 2005 Pilot has 273K on it's auto with 30K trans service. The Honda is a more solid vehicle in addition. The enormous Eyesight blob on the windshield is another blindspot.

[@Notdave29]

Friend of mine had to rebuild his CVT himself because no shop in the area would touch it. He had never done any transmission work before but it worked and is still running.

[@billyounger9713]

Your friend is talented!!😊

[@natefunk1]

@@billyounger9713 Yes. And the shops that wouldn't touch it are stupid. They are actually much easier to repair than a traditional transmission.

[@TheGuruStud]

​@@natefunk1😂😂😂. Open up a jatco CVT and say that

[@natefunk1]

@@TheGuruStud Well you got me on that one. I'll rephrase it to "should be easier".

[@williamwright9681]

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[@seanhoward8025]

Robert is dead nuts on. The fluid carries the contaminants of the metal chain. When I had my solenoids go "bad", the little screens were covered with metal particulates. Could I have cleaned the screens and reinstalled them? Yes, probably, but I decided to replace the solenoids with a high quality aftermarket part, at about $200+ for all three. He is right, fluid is expensive and it took me a whole weekend to do. Removed the valve body after work on Friday, cleaned and replaced solenoids and the valve body, including placing the RTV on the pan on Saturday...then allowing the RTV to cure overnight before pumping in the new fluid and reprogramming the CVT on Sunday. Never had any problems in the 18 months I had the car...prior to some 20-something a-hole in a BMW hydroplaning and spinning me into a Jersey barrier on the freeway, totaling my Outback. Follow Robert's recommendation and drain and refill your fluid every 36-50k miles. If Subaru in Japan recommends it, why not everywhere? Because SoA wants to sell more new Subarus.

[@cocoyc495]

Umm. If my Subaru CVT fails early, I'm not buying another Subaru.

[@DanielFrein-n5r]

@@cocoyc495Um, If you don’t maintain it, it’s on you.

[@eoak134]

@@DanielFrein-n5ryes but the SOA and the dealer networks are not telling owners to change the fluid. The manual states only inspections or to change it at 24000 miles if towing. I’m not a believer in a lifetime fluid but it’s on SOA to make it very obvious what the maintenance schedule. If you look online, you will find tons of different opinions on when to change it. Honda states 30k change for their CVTs. Pretty simple, not sure why SOA can’t do the same.

[@jamesbarca7229]

I wasn't aware that there were high quality aftermarket solenoids available. Certainly, some are more expensive than others but the reviews for the more expensive ones (the Dorman ones for example) weren't any better than the reviews for the cheap ones. My guess is they all come off of the same Chinese assembly line and whether or not they last is simply luck of the draw. If there are actual high-quality ones available I'm all ears, just in case the cheap one I installed goes bad.

[@dw8555]

"Because SoA wants to sell more new Subarus." This is typical short-sighted American Corporate Thinking - "I need to make things LOOK better NOW at the expense of having better sales in the long-term, when I'm not in this position. I'm not loyal to Subaru of America, I'm loyal to myself, only." Subaru will sell more cars in the future as they develop the kind of reputation that Toyota and Honda have developed - meaning that knowing when you buy one new that there will be an extremely strong market for your used one when you want to move on. People know that the odds are that if they buy a factory schedule maintained used Honda or Toyota it is very likely that they will not encounter big expenses during their period of ownership. If a Subaru owner follows SoA's current recommended maintenance schedule it will yield a used Subaru that has a very high chance of needing an extremely expensive CVT replacement soon after 100k miles or so. Who would want to buy something like that?

[@Cabuco2006]

I've changed my CVT fluid 4 times in its 219k. Runs great! 2017 Impreza

[@yummytummy88]

So you change the transmission oil every 50K miles, proactive maintenance. Nice

[@owenconnolly3041]

Good Information ! Thanks Cabuco !!

[@tom24865]

Did they have any issue with a warranty if you did have one at all from Subaru?

[@JayDonDove]

Probably one of the most informative videos I've ever watched on Subarus. Thanks,

[@mingyaowu7720]

Agreed on your points. As a subaru technician in an asian contry. These are only problems that i personally encountered on the CVT. I always advised customers to at least replace the cvt oil at least every 50,000km to prevent expensive repairs and replacement. I even advised them get a manual sti or manual wrx if you want more power and for goodness sake. Any subaru cvt owners out there. Please do not treat your subaru cvt vehicle as a race car. Please treat it as a normal transportation car.😊

[@jstephens2758]

Unfortunately, manual transmissions are hard to find in the US now. Only the BRZ and WRX offer them because Americans just don't buy them.

[@M9A1MAN]

I just bought my first Subaru, a 2024 Forester. How reliable are these in your experience?

[@hendrixandmitch]

@@M9A1MAN engine is sweet just change the oil every 5000 miles not 6000 and change out that CVT fluid and diff every 30k. this is my 2nd subaru and you have to baby it just a little.

[@KLott-sy1iw]

@@M9A1MAN, 2022 Forester with 18k, so far no issues. Will be taking the advice on changing the CVT fluid at 30k if not sooner.

[@enderme7621]

2009 Liberty (Legacy) here that's done 300000km without a flush and no noticeable issues. I thought it had CVT slap for the past 8 years but may actually be collapsing motor mounts. It's getting a flush done next week.

[@OutsideCleaners]

LOL 17:38 regarding CVT fluid.... "If you treat it as a "lifetime fluid," it will absolutely BE a lifetime fluid..." Good video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@SolamenteVees]

I've been selling Subarus for eight years; when I'm delivery a new Subaru I always recommend replacing the CVT fluid at regular intervals. I've taken too many trades out of service, most of them with valve body failures... Thank you for the accurate, concise info.

[@aleksandartasic7652]

Quote the manual, what do you mean “regular” because manual says nothing about it. Where did you come up with regular. 2014, 2018 Crosstrek and Outback mention none.

[@rudedog302]

@@aleksandartasic7652 Did you watch the video, MrSubaru brings the intervals up more than once. The manual will tell you nothing about US Subaru's.

[@Zorbino88]

This is why I paid for the 3 year dealer maintenance plan. I knew I could do oil changes by myself, but I bought the first year redesigned WRX Limited 6 speed (2022) which is always a risky move. But at least with 3 years of the dealer changing fluids and whatnot, I had a paper trail if something went catastrophically wrong.

[@davidm8657]

@@rudedog302 As a Subaru owner, it is ridiculous to get bad information from the car manufacturer. I’m glad I stumbled upon this video, but that is not right.

[@7894-q4g]

@@davidm8657"lifetime fluid" is a thing with many manufacturers in the US; same with Volvo, BMW, VW, Mazda...

[@adrianpoo1076]

Good morning, Mr Subaru I just went my local deal to change the oil on wife 2019 Outlook. When asked the service write about changing the CVT oil charged, he looked at me funny, like saying why. I'm sorry ,but I'm a person who believes in general maintenance,so thank you for clearing the question about changing or not changing the oil in the CVT.

[@cop2506]

YESSSS FINALLY! THANK YOU FOR FINALLY ADDRESSING THE ANNOYING "CVT TRANSMISSION".

[@ghostwolf4354]

I am perfectly happy with the way my 2024 Outback performs. I knew I wasn't buying a sports car, so I don't expect sports car things. What I do expect - safety, reliability, decent mileage, comfort, carrying capacity, overall satisfaction - the car delivers beyond my expectations. Love this car! And now I know to look into changing the CVT fluid, and not to be worried excessively about the CVT for many more miles.

[@StealthParrot]

Great explanation of CVT's and their common failure modes. Thank you.

[@anvilhead59]

I love CVTs. My '23 Outback is my first Subaru. We had a CVT in our' 05 Ford Freestyle. While climbing hills at highway speeds, no shifting. Just smooth driving. The only other vehicle I had that could do that was a '00 Ford Superduty Powerstroke with manual transmission. I'll take the advice and replace the fluid soon. I just had my 36k service completed.

[@R.ScottStutz]

Fantastic practical advice from a great tech who has hands on experience. We are driving our first bought new,in 2021 Forester. 5k oil changes, diff service at 35k on to CVT. Subbie 4 ever. Thanks for all the advice!!

[@UMinocha]

Getting my CVT flushed and filled in my 2023 Outback next week as I near 30K miles. Just paid it off and plan on keeping it forever. Still has the new car smell. Love your channel. Forgot to add, the 30K mile service replaces brake fluid at Subaru dealership. They check the front & rear differential fluids - had them replace the differential fluids.

[@melissamcguire1887]

Just seeing this video. I have a 2023 Touring XT. Will the dealer with extended warranty pay for this?

[@jpungello]

What did you pay?

[@UMinocha]

@@jpungello $400 - fluid and labor were equal

[@4orrcountry]

​​@@UMinocha Done by a dealer? If so, an independent mechanic would have saved you $100.00.

[@krut00]

I am pretty sure replacing the break fluid at 30k miles is just a waste of money. If they have to replace oil in the differential then this is a serious problem asking for a real solution.

[@Snowcrash1966]

Outstanding video! I also own 2014 Forester so happy to hear about your Mom”s Forester. I changed the cvy fluid late at 90K because back then I was told the lifetime fluid lie and around me here in Massachusetts most dealers were afraid to do it. I found an independent mechanic pro like yourself and did it. I got the fluid at a Subaru dealer. Drive 90% highway and drive 60-65 mph. I am now at 143K and thinking about doing it again.

[@romankartsev220]

I got same problem in NYC Subaru service is refusing to do the cvt drain and fill.

[@davidblair3371]

Thanks to your videos I switched from being a Toyota owner to a Subaru. Bought a 2025 Subaru Outback premium.

[@koyotekola6916]

This is what my granddaughter wants to buy this weekend. I'm doing research on CVTs, since I've heard about reliability problems on Nissans and Fords. Changing the fluid to extend reliability is good advice!

[@wigletron2846]

The Subaru CVTs are pretty good. Much better than Nissan's or Ford's.

[@roadeyerob]

Watching this I'm thinking of ditching my 2017 (with 160 000 km) and get a Toyota

[@kanzzon]

Dealers should have this video on repeat at the moment of having customers signing for their new subaru.

[@spankyownz]

2015 Forester I have went 191,000 miles and I had my CVT chain snap one day on my way to work. Subaru dealership wanted 14,000 USD to replace the unit which I thought was absolutely insane when the car off the showroom was 23,000 USD. I ended up finding a garage locally that surprisingly rebuilt CVTs and they were going to rebuild mine, but the chain actually caused a lot of damage to the housing and gears when it gave. It was 8,000 USD for one of their rebuilt transmissions I had no other option other than to do so, and I'm 1k in on the rebuilt transmission and so far so good.

[@egx161]

Did you ever change your cvt fluid? IDT chain snap is very common. $8k is a lot. Did the shop use oem parts? Ty

[@spankyownz]

@@egx161 I did not change the CVT fluid as I was told when I bought it was a sealed unit. at 170k miles the transmission felt a bit weird and I tried to get the dealership to change it as at the time it was the only shop locally that would work on Subarus. They said they would not do it. When the transmission chain snapped they replaced the whole unit with a refurbished transmission from a company 4 hours east of where I live. The transmission itself was 5K USD and the rest was in Labor and shop materials. They used Subaru transmission fluid that was 200USD a unit.

[@MattExzy]

$14k... wow, what was it made from, unicorns!? I don't think people can really blame fluid changes - give me a break. It's just a poor design, not just Subarus, but CVTs in general.

[@spankyownz]

@@MattExzy Like I said, mine made it 190k miles on the 2015 fluid, so I think the design is fine, I just think it's shady and feels like Subaru USA trying to get people into new cars when their transmission gives up the ghost when it costs nearly half of a new subaru.

[@HourRomanticist]

Change transmission fluid every 25k miles.​@@spankyownz

[@AV4Him]

Thank you for this video. Been driving Subarus for a decade. Bought a 2024 Outback with a CVT and I want to maintain it right. Your advice is very helpful! Subscribed.

[@grizz6370]

5th Subaru since '80's, bought new '18 Forester, first one with CVT, 114k replaced module,90 miles later replaced torque converter, currently 129k,runs great,no oil consumption yet 🤞🤞🤞 Little pricey at 160 bucks an hour labor rate at Suby garage

[@73ac39]

I had a 2011 Legacy. Both CVT failures you mentioned it had. Wasn't very enjoyable to drive either. Now I have a 22 crosstrek sport and the CVT is much better. I'm going to get it serviced soon to be safe. Thanks for video.

[@thejaebeing]

God I love this channel... And my Subaru. The guy truely found his niche channel

[@weekendthreat5576]

wow, simply amazing information. also love that you're not just reading off some prompts either -- you clearly know what you're talking about. i'm in the market for my first forester and this is absolutely invaluable. cheers

[@overheadsurf]

I love that you pointed out the fact that saying CVT transmission is redundant. I was at the dealer the other day and the service manager was asking for my VIN number. 😂 I didn’t correct him but sure wanted to!

[@lilliputlittle]

It is common enough. A lot of people like to order a "Chai Tea" without realizing they are requesting "tea tea". Redundancy in the English language is ubiquitous.

[@richardwinegar8331]

ATM machine. I hate that one.

[@HugoIzquierdo-by6xb]

I almost went and had my transmission serviced or looked at by a non dealer. My 2018 outback has a slip at acceleration. My a/t temp oil light came on. After watching your video and you informing the warranty is 10 years 100.000 miles , it's going to the dealer. You saved me $$$$$$$. Thank you

[@KrisDeBruineStudio]

I have a 2015 Subaru Forester with a CVT. This is a great video, I'm learning alot.

[@jamesbryan397]

2015 Subaru Forester Limited here.

[@mamalovesthebeach437]

Just hit 50,000 miles on my 2018 OB touring 3.6… have not yet changed the transmission fluid. I do my own oil changes regularly and have been skeptical about the “lifetime” claim on the transmission fluid. I’ll take my car in for a check and have them drain and fill the CVT. Thanks so much for common sense feedback.❤

[@phone407]

Me too! I have a 2015 OB 3.6r that just passed 50,000 and I'm planning on having the CVT fluid drain and fill at 60,000 miles. I have had the vehicle since new and never believed the "lifetime" fluid jargon. Also, the 10 year/100,000 extended warranty just passed on my car and I was leery of doing it before the warranty ran out so SOA couldn't say I touched a sealed unit and deny me if something went wrong.

[@mamalovesthebeach437]

@ hmm, didn’t consider that aspect… I’d fight that one hard!

[@phone407]

@@mamalovesthebeach437 I'm sure you would probably be fine if you serviced it, but it has been something I was concerned (slightly) about. Mr subaru has a great video about it. I think the title is "To service the CVT or not before 100,000 miles". Either way, I think if we look after our Outbacks they will look after us for many years to come! Good luck.

[@mamalovesthebeach437]

@@phone407 If they attempted to use that argument it would be announced far and wide... not the smartest strategy for a company who cares about customer loyalty ; )

[@lynne8323]

I have the same car you do but a 2017 and just took it to the dealership for what they think is a transmission problem, will know for sure tomorrow. Only 62000 miles on my car, so this is disappointing.

[@p.thadeushornswoggler4987]

2011 outback with 325k miles, original cvt, fluid and torque converter finally just gave up the ghost with a failed head gasket. Will take better care of our new 24 crosstrek. Thanks for another great video!

[@volks-jager]

i recenty changed a TCC solenoid on TR580 for a lady. Subie dealer quoted her $3000 to replace the valve body. no way she could afford that - so i changed just the solenoid (i used a dorman one becuase nothing better was available). a $50 solenoid and an hour or so of labor and the car runs great no check engine light. Castrol and Valvoline now have Subaru spec CVT fluid for very cheap - $25 a gallon - so no need to get hosed at the dealer for fluid anymore

[@wim0104]

$25 a gallon is still expensive for gear oil.

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Great information!!!!!

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

​@@wim0104 how much is the fluid from Subaru? 🤔

[@KevinBlem]

@@dans_Learning_Curveabout $17/quart

[@rayro481]

$25 a gallon is a deal compared to $22 a quart or $88 a gallon from subaru

[@scottj8791]

We have a 2011 Outback with around 100,000 Mi on it. Zero problems and just about to change out the struts. Took your advice and recently changed the fluid. Thanks for all your advice.

[@donaldgeorge6656]

You are right. I have a 2017 and my CVT was served at 14,000 mi never a problem. Will service it again at 30000 mi. Dealership recommended

[@kurzabel]

Never a problem on your under 30,000 mile transmission? I would hope not.

[@ETSUBrown8939]

Thank you for sharing this. I feel more confident in my buying my Crosstrek. Keep these videos coming.

[@jamesbarca7229]

I changed the fluid in my TR690 using Idemitsu fluid. Idemitsu makes Subaru's fluid. Same color, same smell, same fluid, but at half the price. It makes the cost of changing CVT fluid a whole lot easier to swallow, while still having the peace of mind of using the OEM fluid.

[@dyu18]

Thanks for this info @jamesbarca7229.I live in Australia and I wanted to change my transmission fluid in my Suabaru Outback, however our Subaru dealership would not sell transmission fluid to the public which I find it very strange. Subaru claims it is a "lifetime fluid" so it never needs changing

[@alphaomega750]

Subaru sucks, they won't sell by 1 quart of TR690 fluid, they will only sell 5 gallons @ over $500. Who the hell needs 5 gallons!

[@blder56]

Where can a person find the info about who makes Subaru CVT fluid. It sounds too good to be true, but on the other side I guess we're paying for the Subaru label, so..

[@jonpye8655]

@@jamesbarca7229 Do you have a Subaru Ascent with the tr690?

[@rdeanmurray8139]

Thanks James, good tip.

[@warrens405]

Did a flush on my CVT at 100K miles, unplugged the hose at the cooler, connected a 2 liter bottle, ran the engine for a few seconds for the bottle to fill up, then added the same via the fill hole, took about 14 quarts till clean. will do it again at 36k miles. No complaints yet about having a CVT. 2014 Forester.

[@Arnoux007]

Approaching 330,000 miles on the 2015 Subaru Forester by the end of the week I will be doing my CVT and differential service that I do every 30,000 miles. my value body has gone out twice once at 160,000& 295,000 miles , my head gasket blown at 221,000 miles. I bought this car brand new 2015. I’ve oil changed every 6000 miles.

[@vegasstang1]

Impressive! We bought a new 24 Forester 6 months ago and plan to keep it for awhile. Nice to see these can survive with this kind of use!

[@dreamrelaxation7239]

@@vegasstang1 You didn't read his comment. His head gasket blew at 221K miles. His valve body (that's usually the underside of the transmission) burned out at 160K and 295K miles. You might want to get rid of that Forester and just get a Toyota, or at least keep up with the trans fluid change every 40K miles, and don't race it. Don't be a road rager and your Forester will last.

[@DanielFrein-n5r]

@@dreamrelaxation7239LOL - best satire post of the day. Ask the newer Tundra owners how that’s working out.

[@TheLpjoe]

@@dreamrelaxation7239 The tr690 has the valve body on the bottom of the trans. the car mentioned , being a 2015 should have the tr590 which has the valve body on top of the transmission.

[@oppenheimersbong9863]

@@dreamrelaxation7239 how is that bad? $800 part every 150k miles to keep a transmission running? And a $100 gasket kit? Guy is putting ~35k miles a year on that forester, most won’t do that in 4 years.

[@skisandcars]

You are the man. Please keep publicing the Japan service advice so that less people will be left with problems. I think some of the hate comes from the fact that Subaru were unbeatable in snow and mud and the advent of electric power steering and CVT has reduced that.

[@LeeBatzel]

Thanks allot I have158000 miles on a used Forester I just bought I will change the fluid now!😊

[@davemagrum5278]

Just bought my second my second subaru. Your videos gave me the confidence in the manufacturer to go ahead and make the purchase. I have a '13 Impreza PZEV that just takes me to work and around the area. Family trips to West Virginia, Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio. The new one is for my wife. She now has an 8 day old Crosstrek Wilderness. and she loves it. I will most likely be giving mine to my son soon and buying myself an Outback Wilderness. Love your vids, keep it up!

[@MrPoppyDuck]

Thank you Mr Subaru for the info on your Subies as that gives me confidence in my '15 Outback with its TR580 provided I change the CVT fluid regularly. I do not beat on it or tow anything with it as I want to run it for another 9 years or more.

[@richroj]

thank you again Mr. Subaru, your videos are the best. I had a CVT service done at 40,000 miles on my 2015 FXT Touring and now I have 57000 miles. no problems at all. my wife has the 2003 FXS Premium with 98000 miles and no problems also 💯👍

[@hendrixandmitch]

good job sir. i have a 2023 subaru legacy with 21k on it and that fluid is getting changed out next month. i’m not taking any chances.

[@williamevans6522]

I hope you're changing i the diff fluids, too, at 30000 mi OCI.

[@tomfilipiak3511]

Thank,you,sir,on my 4 th outback since 2006, at 76 years old,you are the Cats Meow,not to be associated with a cat lady!God Bless you!Thomas A.Filipiak Palos Hills Illinois!

[@hendrixandmitch]

@@williamevans6522 YES I WILL

[@lpmorify]

I have a 2024 Crosstrek Sport. This is my 1st Subaru and it has a cvt. My previous vehicle was a 2019 Chevy Colorado w/ 3.6l automatic. I really like the ride, and the fuel economy. I feel no hate towards the cvt.

[@ekop1778]

MY 18 IMPREZA AT 25K HAD 6 RECALLS AND ON 3RD BATTERY DUE TO RECALL

[@mhadman427]

This is as excellent as an informative video can get. I took home my 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness three weeks ago and the CVT behavior doesn't bother me a bit. I drive conservatively, and don't abuse my vehicles. I will definitely be using the 36k miles to change the fluid. I only wish that Subaru would bring back a manual transmission for the Crosstrek. I have always preferred the manual transmission.

[@jayknight850]

Our 18 Forester 85,000 mile CVT was getting to where it had a intermittent “wobble” at about 15-20 mph. It would seem to hesitate in a ratio change. I changed the CVT oil, the problem disappeared, totally resolved any problems we were experiencing. Change the oil!

[@Code-Panda]

I believe I had a similar "wobble" issue with 2015 Outback at 105,000 miles. Drained (about 4 quarts) and refilled CVT fluid yesterday and it "shifts" much smoother now. Going to do one more drain and refill in a week.

[@jackwinston168]

I have a Nissan Rogue with CVT and at first hated it, now I like it but do not want another one till I saw you on KZbin, I am giving my car to my daughter and buy a Subaru. Changing CVT oil at 36000 makes all the sense in the world. I had my 2018 Rogue's oil changed at 30000 & it's running great, thanks for your video very informative.

[@bullnukeoldman3794]

The TR690 in my 2011 Outback has been bulletproof for 196k miles (the torque converter has been bad since 125k miles - we learned to adapt to it when driving and it has not been an issue since). I've drained/filled the fluid every 50k miles religiously; I began and continue to use Valvoline CVT Fluid because way back years ago the Subaru OEM fluid only came in 5 gallon buckets/barrels for crazy prices and not quart bottles (only need 5 or 6 quarts per change). I'm not changing brands now because what I'm doing works fine. For a reference point, I had replaced the transmission in our GMC Yukon three times before reaching 150k miles due to transmission failures - failures aren't a CVT problem for me at all. Driving our Outback CVT takes me down the old memory lane as it reminds me of the Buick Dynaflows of the '50s with no shifts during operation but the Subaru CVT has much better acceleration (on the Buicks you'd mash the accelerator, hear the engine rpms rise and wait 3 or 4 seconds for the car to start slowly rolling lethargically up to speed).

[@keithmccready3158]

They were called slush-O- automatics.

[@mattrowan5834]

How do you deal with the torque converter being bad? My 2010 Legacy has been lugging itself at stoplights when cold (but not stalling all the way) and I just during this video figured out why my 2 pedal car is acting like this. If it's possible to get away driving it like this for awhile I won't have to worry about getting that repair done or replacing the car right away. I'm right at 150k miles and don't drive a ton.

[@AlainDeroulette-c2t]

I got a used 2019 Subaru forester and can report that the gas mileage is so good . I get around 350 miles with a full tank . In the past, I drove a manual transmission, and if the wind was right, I could get at best 275 miles on a full gas tank . I love my Subaru ! Thank you for your very helpful video . Cheers !

[@ekop1778]

my 18 impreza at 25k now

[@cannabisanomaly]

Mr. Subaru coming in clutch, as always (pun intended). I’m really glad you made this updated video on the CVT; I was still under the assumption the minimum fluid change on the CVT was 100k, as anything before that would be unnecessary. Update vids like this are incredible, please continue with them

[@dw8555]

Great job taking on a very difficult subject. If anyone from Subaru of America is watching, I hope what they took away from this video is that they really should figure out a way to go back to 3yr/36k mile CVT fluid change intervals. Subaru of America is screwing themselves and their dealers with their expediency to "appear" to have a lifetime fluid in their transmissions. If they want to sell more cars in the long-term, they should opt for recommending maintenance that will cause their cars to last longer without major expenses for second-hand owners .

[@bugguana]

Subaru knew about the torque converter issue, but if you went over 100k miles on your car, they charged you for the fix. I don't recall ever having been notified by Subaru with a TSB or any notification about this known issue. Then the valve body failed, thanks to your channel, was able to fix that myself

[@bmeasia4103]

I have a 2015 WRX CVT and a 2019 Forester XT with 35,000 and 60,000 kilometers (21,000 and 37,000 miles) on them. Although I've followed the recommendation of Motorimage (Subaru distributor for the Philippines) to change the CVT fluid at 40,000 km (25,000 miles), I was still paranoid because of all the trash talk regarding CVTs--to the point that I am actually thinking of disposing of both cars just to avoid CVT failure. Thank you for this video. Now I can enjoy my cars in peace. :)

[@flamefox5000]

I have a 21 forester with 73.5k miles. No issues on the cvt with changing the fluid every 36k miles. If you can find a local shop that can do it, go to them. Dealership charged me almost $500 for the service, while the local shop charged me $200 for cvt service, front brakes, and a rotation. I bought the fluid but that still would’ve came out to less than $350 for everything.

[@johnnyjones5398]

Dude! Thank you! I just found and joined your channel. I am a recent owner of Subaru Ascent Touring. I really appreciate the tips and advice. Again...Thank you!

[@oppenheimersbong9863]

Great info, I’ve been doing lots of valve body replacements, the Chinese solenoids are total crap, there are a few companies rebuilding the valve body and solenoids that I’ve had very good luck with, half the cost and I’ve had people who have put 50k miles on them so far with no issues. Considering the dealership quotes 2k for the replacement people are thrilled with the $1k repair, and I’m paying $400 for the rebuilds and can do a 580 in an hour at this point. I’d like to add every failure I’ve seen has been heat related, the solenoids always fail with dirty fluid that gets too hot, always after a long trip or mountain run. Do not engine brake with a CVT down a mountain please, and do a CVT flush before a cross country road trip!

[@foghelmut]

does having a transmission cooler help with this at all?

[@blder56]

Thanks for the advise on using the CVT. I will no longer be downshifting my 690. I've changed the fluid so it's a good time to implement the knowledge I've learned here.

[@oppenheimersbong9863]

@@foghelmut I have considered adding one to my xv, certainly couldn’t hurt.

[@carnaubawax9405]

I hope your area in NC is doing ok re: flooding. Godspeed Mr. Subaru.

[@zachh6951]

Owner of a 2020 Outback Limited, that i bought used. Subaru's warranty and maintenance booklet (page 28, in my case) states to inspect the CVT's fluid every 30-36 months or 30k-36k miles, whichever comes first. This is my first ever vehicle with the CVT. I'll gladly pay a couple of hundred dollars for a drain and fill of the CVT fluid every so often since its my only car and I would not want to be stuck without a car when that CVT fails me out of thousands.

[@jamesburgess9101]

Super curious, what does "inspect" mean? Did they give specfics like "if it tastes like smoked bacon then replace"? or just say "inspect"

[@zachh6951]

Good question. The warranty and maintenance booklet only says inspect and if needed, replace the CVT fluid at the aforementioned intervals. My guess would be that they (likely the dealership) would just inspect for leaks and if nothings leaking or of major issue, they'd probably say that I'm good and i can keep driving it, according to my research from subaru forum posts and reddit posts regarding the CVTs in Subaru vehicles. The owners manual also states that there is no need to check the fluid, but the fluid is only good for so long.

[@breakandrun70]

Thanks for the thorough explanation on the CVT, best review so far on the Subaru.

[@Andy-uh6fs]

I got a 2016 subaru outback just hit 260k. I never change my cvt fluid once at all, because it said lifetime lol. Transmission still runs and shifts smooth like a champ. Still original engine and it never had an issue once. Just basic service for the last 8 years. Im going to run it until either the engine or trans. 300k here we come by next year

[@martinr8278]

That is phenomenal!! They are amazing vehicles and hold their own……🏆❤️💯

[@johnnn.darrelll2746]

Hi i recently i bought a 2015 Subaru 3.6r outback with 125 k miles . I think it has rhe tr690 cvt. Can this motor and cvt reach 250k miles if i do drain and fill on cvt evey 30k miles or less? Thanks for your response

[@thatfast3002]

200k on my wife's 2017 outback 2.5 we've had it since 20 something thousand miles and never changed the transmission oil. Wife got a new car I'm commuting with it now and the car is still phenomenal

[@johnnn.darrelll2746]

260k miles?? What engine?

[@johnnn.darrelll2746]

@@thatfast3002is subaru cvt more reliable than Nissan?

[@drynett75]

Great Video. I have a 2010 Subaru Liberty Exiga here in Australia. Had it since 2013 and 80,000k Converter failure saw the CVT get repaired. Now 12 Years and 240,000km later still going strong.

[@brucekatkin5310]

Subaru Canada recommends CVT fluid change every 100,000 kilometres (60,000 miles), or sooner depending on how it is driven. I am glad Canadian Subarus (except I believe the wilderness version) are built in Japan.

[@markhussey5035]

Great video. The only thing I don't like about Subaru CVT's is the anxiety caused by reviews.

[@TheMagg1977]

I have a 23 Forester Wilderness, and I almost can't even tell its a cvt. It mimics shifting well, and all we do is drive the car as a normal car. I bet some people wouldn't even tell the difference if you didn't tell them.

[@KM-es4yx]

21 forester. I agree, especially when you put the pedal down alittle

[@beardedwonder3524]

Had a 22 FW and just got a 24 FW, I like this trim the best and I feel this setup drives great. Maybe the difference in gearing aids to that, idk but I love my subies.

[@Cesium67]

Just had my differential service. Getting the cut fluid changed here soon. Shout out to Subaru of Melbourne. You guys do good work.

[@Central-Scrutinizer]

What would make me comfortable? A $3500 transmission replacement. It's the massive potential costs involved, not so much the CVT per se. IMO a $10K bill at 165,000 - 200,000 miles would mean junking the car even if everything else appeared OK.

[@benscott6826]

That is the goal

[@DavidGarcia-md9hz]

Thank you for all this information. My wife and I are considering buying a new Subaru next year in the fall. But we’re going to the L.A. auto show on Thanksgiving week so she can she which one she likes the most. It’s basically for her. Thank you

[@RESPAWN1983]

Well let me be the first to say im at 194k miles on my 2018 crosstrek and have yet to change the tranny fluid and its still running like a beast! Have changed my front and rear diff once around 150k all oil changes around 5 to 6 k.

[@dreamrelaxation7239]

That's because you are not racing it. People that ruin their transmissions are road ragers that have a need to race their cars or trucks that are not meant for that. I have a Nissan Sentra and I hadn't changed the trans fluid in over 100K miles. When I changed it, it was still red. No brown or black. Of course, I don't race my little Sentra. I was not designed for that.

[@gjforeman]

Our 2013 Sentra's owners manual said the CVT fluid was good forever. When the CVT died at 65000 miles, the service writeup guy said, "Now, you are getting the CVT serviced every 30,000 miles, right?" Seems they changed their tune but failed to let anyone know. At over $4500, the new CVT would have been more than the Bluebook value. Fortunately, we had a 70,000 mile extended warranty, so it only cost me a $100 fee. 25,000 miles later, the rebuilt CVT started to act up. I paid to get it serviced again, with new fluid, and it seems OK. For now. But it is a shit CVT at best, and I will never buy another Nissan. Thats why I'm ​on a Subaru site. Love out new Ascent. @dreamrelaxation7239

[@jake-c5m7d]

Don't change it now. I will start slipping once you do.

[@RESPAWN1983]

You think it will slip? Whats your thought process on this? I was gonna actually have my mechanic change the tranny fluid as a happy Birthday crosstrek you made it 200k 🎉😂

[@danielrangel9255]

I have a 2013 legacy 2.5i. Subaru installed a new cvt under warranty for me. The noise it was making did sound like bad bearings. I didn't know at first and replaced all the wheel hubs but the noise persisted. I took it in and they replaced the whole thing. I told them it sounds like bad bearings. They did not confirm or deny this. THANKS FOR THE CLEARIFICATION 👍

[@nypdbagpiper]

What did your bad bearings sound like?

[@jerryq1000]

I will change the CVT fluid on my 2018 Outback at 60,000. I had always changed transmission fluid on conventional transmissions at 60K and never had issues.

[@dust_gale3108]

Well some transmissions just do weird stuff regardless and still go 250k miles. But keeping up with maintenance is a good thing

[@ericpizarro3084]

I think it all have to do with your roads driving conditions. If you don’t get into heavy traffic with lots of stop and go, the transmission will suffer less. Where we live my wife drives every week into high mountains (above 2000 feet’s high on her 2019 Subaru Ascent) we changed to transmission oil at 40,000 miles. It’s close to 70,00 miles and we are planning to change the transmission oil again on the next service schedule. So far with over 6 years of service so good. The only replacement parts have been two wheels hub and one disc. I don’t blame it to the vehicle. I blame it to the roads conditions.

[@JacobTab_S7_Plus-sg4ju]

I have a Legacy 2.5 GT 265 hk. from 09 with 180000 km. On it now and I have been told it have a Wagner & Borg after almost 6 year I have only had one big repair on it It was the valve body it had a repair like you say is on the TR690, so now I think I maybe have a CVT box? My dad have a Forrester 2.0 XT 240 hk. with about 100.000 km. On it from 14 it have for sure CVT. We both change oil on gearbox and diff for every 60.000 km. Both me and my dad are mecanic and my dad has had his shop for more then 50 year know. Thanks for a great canal, Happy new year from Denmark 🎉

[@jeffer1101]

FWIW, Subaru Canada recommends to replace the transmission and differential fluids every 5 years/100,000 kms (about 63,000 miles).

[@williamevans6522]

😮Way too many miles . Try 30000 mi

[@Wanderer_52]

I agree ​@@williamevans6522

[@christianlaroche8268]

I am in Canada too, and changed the transmission and differential fluids after 5 years and 50 000 kms in a 2017 Forester.

[@hendrixandmitch]

@@williamevans6522 i just got mine done at 22k today and when the fluid came out it was a dark blue. i was like holy shit!

[@andrewliberman7694]

Thanks!

[@benniewalker312]

2019 Subaru ascent owner. The 1st year model of the Ascent had a recall of the CVT. Brought my car in for the recall inspection. No issues. Reprogrammed the computer as part of the recommended fix. 2 years later, chain slip, 35,000 miles. Car would shudder. Subaru replaced the CVT under warranty. The bigger issue was the air conditioner system. Self destructed for some unknown reason. Car in the shop for 6 weeks waiting on back order parts. Still the best car ive owned but I gotta stay clear of those 1st year models until they work out the initial bugs.

[@familydad3241]

New transmission and air conditioner self destructed under 35k miles and best vehicle you ever owned. That speaks volumes.

[@benniewalker312]

@@familydad3241 traded in a Range Rover for my Ascent. If Subie ever builds a hybrid version I will buy it tomorrow. I’ll never buy another Range Rover though. That was a nightmare lol

[@familydad3241]

@benniewalker312 Subaru will be coming out with their hybrid in 2025.

[@Ohmygodbruh]

Driving 2019 outback, I love this transition is so freaking smooth…

[@l00koutqc44]

Here in canada subaru recommends 5 years/60k miles cvt drain and refill on every vehicule.

[@larrymonaghan7318]

Great vid! I have a ‘24 Crosstrek Sport. My 1st Subi BTW. My previous car was a 6speed manual so the CVT was def an adjustment. I like your comment about the speed performance of the CVT. If I wanted a race car I would have bought one. Really enjoy your content.

[@jamesgullo8240]

About 7 quarts of the total capacity come out of the drain plug. Changing half the fluid at a time is fine. At 50K and every 75K thereafter. The next biggest thing to help it last a long time... no heavy foot off the line. Take off easy from a stop light. Accelerate gently for the first 50 feet. This is NOT a Turbo 400!

[@tracycaton2712]

My cvt has failed at 71000. So if it's the fluid 75000 is too late

[@KOS762]

First off, this was a very good and informative video. Every Automotive class should watch videos like these. Thank you. You can probably get those solenoids separate, seeing how it's an assembly. But you won't be getting them from Subaru, we know that. They don't sell the parts, because they don't make the assembly. But the part has it's own part number, and manufacturer. Plus after-market parts are very popular with Subaru. They have many race classes covered. So there is a chance you could get a better part if you buy after market parts. I know people say, "oh, no! You HAVE to buy OEM or you could mess up your car". BS!! "ALL" car manufacturers build their cars based off the "CHEAPEST BIDDERS DESIGN", period. So your cars, are made with the cheapest parts possible. A parts store has to base their reputation off the quality of their parts, not the car as a whole like a manufacturer does. So a parts store part could potentially be of better quality. You would have to research this, per part... but I think you might get where I am going with this.

[@brookcampbell2940]

just did my 30K full service with CVT Flush/Fill on my 23 Forester Sport along with Brake Fluid Swap. Fresh Falken WildPeak AT Trails. Love the Vehicle!

[@minuteman048]

How much did it cost? I was quoted $1100.00 just for the transmission service on a 21 Forrester.

[@hendrixandmitch]

@@minuteman048 WTF?? RIP OFF! i live in indiana and the subaru dealer is charging me $300 bucks! go somewhere else

[@yummytummy88]

​@@minuteman048they are way over charging you for that small job. I just had my transmission oil change for my Honda Civic last year by a dealership service and it only $285. Took them 1 hours to do the job.

[@execration_texts]

​@@minuteman048 That might be a flush vs a drain and fill. The drain and fill is enough in 30k intervals.

[@timferguson593]

Drain and fill works. Suburu is a great car. We just bought our 3rd over the last 18 years. Never had a problem with any of them.

[@wanted-33]

Very timely video sir, thanks. I have a very special young lady in my life that I'm going to help buy her first car. She has picked a CrossTrek. I knew for a while about Subaru's CVT's, and that the life of a CVT is keeping the fluid fresh. Now I know 3 year, or 36K miles is what is best for the Subaru CVT.

[@mattheviewer]

Perhaps, though unlikely, Subaru would add a transmission setting that either lets it do fake shifts, or not. That way those want maximum efficiency can get it, and those wanting traditional shifting can also get it.

[@DustinDIY]

My main pet peeve is fake shifts while full auto normal driving

[@sk8xaq]

I just use the paddles when I'm driving inclines or overtaking.

[@ralkros681]

It would be nice to have a more "linear but smoother" drive. In an auto, let alone cvt, I could care less about the feeling of gears shifting. Only ever liked that on motorcycles.

[@Traumatree]

I'd love to have that option too so I can enjoy a smooth linear acceleration!

[@alphaomega750]

that's cause your CVT isn't the Tr690 with the chirping sound. It gets annoying, subaru claims is it normal. I'm sure not by design.

[@Mormon140]

Great video. Bought a Subaru (2023 Ascent) for the first time in my life 14 months ago. I was somewhat worried about the CVT, now I feel much better about my choice.

[@Norse_Dog]

The 2015 Outback that I bought 2 years ago with 65K miles on it needed the valve body replaced at 88K miles. The dealer shop said that it wasn't covered under warranty so I got Subaru Customer Care involved and it got replaced under warranty.

[@wisehokie]

Just came across this video and your comment had me thinking. Is the valve body or other CVT parts considered covered under the powertrain warranty? If not, which warranty covered this?

[@Norse_Dog]

@ it is covered by the power train warranty but they extended the CVT warranty on 5th gen models to 10 yrs/100k miles. Not sure if that included 6th gen or not.

[@HalWexler]

Good video. Had a 2013 impreza limited hatch. Around 140,000 miles I had transmission work done. At 185,000 miles I was broadsided from a car at 45 mph from 65 mph. My side air bags deployed, I was able to drive safely to the side of the road. I had no injuries. 2 months later I took possession of a new 2022 Impreza limited hatch. I did try a Mazda Miata but realized the utilization of my Suby and it handles very well. It is built better as well as its features over our 2022 Mercedes C300 SUV. I have two car seats in the rear for my grandchildren. I plan to hold on to this for the next 200,000 miles. I thought for 5 minutes about buying the Crosstrek which is the same car lifted up which means less handling. He s right regarding the speed. It is fast enough for highway speeds. I don't mind the 5 to 10 mile less per gallon in having the proven all wheel drive. With 4 snow tires I go everywhere.

[@gary56]

I have had two Subaru’s. 2014 Outback and a 2016 Legacy and both were great cars with no problems. The CVT was no issue for me and I would get another. I now have a 2020 Mazda CX5 which is a great car also. I can definitely tell the difference between a CVT and a conventional transmission but it doesn’t matter to me.

[@iczemi]

Haha, same here. I had an Outback 2014 which I gave to my daughter 4 years ago, and got a cx5 2020. Unfortunately the subaru broke down ( I think it was the transmission, engine starts, but car won't move).

[@thezirons]

We have had two different Foresters, a '15 and a '17. I really liked that the '15 didn't "fake shift", it felt like all the power was actually being put to the ground. Unfortunately, that Forester was wrecked by a road rage maniac and ended up buying a '17 and we are at 105K with no problems at all with no fluid change. The "lifetime" fluid has always been hard for me to stomach and after watching this I will definitely be doing a fluid replacement in the next couple months to make sure it keeps going strong.

[@josephkelleher8820]

In the 13th year driving my 12' Altima with the ORIGINAL CVT and never a problem. I have the CVT fluid changed every 25,000 miles or 2 years whichever occurs first.

[@roccol3110]

The key to reliability of a CVT in a Nissan is the fluid changes for sure

[@peterlattimore6013]

​@@roccol3110 JATCO are notorious for belt wear causing issues which then make the fillings destroy the valve body.

[@judahnanas9772]

I had V6 coupe Altima same 2012 and sold it a 206k km and had NO problem with it! And NO FAKE SHIFT! They way it's supposed to be!

[@roccol3110]

@judahnanas9772 those V6's were so cool especially the Coupe!

[@michaelxcx]

Yet my cubaru crosstrek has 270,000km and I never changed the cvt fluid. Still run just fine. You bought the wrong car bro haha

[@evan3076]

Thanks for alleviating my concerns after buying my wife an ascent

[@justoalma9585]

I just did the fluid replacement on the transmission and differentials. $1000. Car runs beautifully. The dealer service person kept saying. It’s lifetime. I didn’t even bother to let them know, there is no such thing. My forester 2017 runs great and many of my service I have done myself thanks to your channel.

[@adriancooper78]

I have a 2016 Subaru Outback Limited currently with 294,600 with the original CVT transmission. This is the 2nd Subaru Outback I've owned that went over 260,000 miles on the original transmission. (The 1st was a 2011 Subaru Outback purchased in 2012 with 34,600 miles. when I traded it in back in 2016 the car had 260, 700 miles on it.) Maintenance is the key!!!!!! I wish though that Subaru would give us an option; a Subaru Super Sport Outback version with 300 horsepower and 300 pound foot of turque; Or at least give us a hydrid all wheel drive version with the same specs stated above.

[@DoruHalipM]

Adrian! How often did you maintain the CVT?

[@adriancooper78]

@DoruHalipM Just had the fluids check for the NYS Safety Inspection. I used to have them look at it every 60,000 to 80,000 miles after the car goes over 100,000. Currently, the 2016 Subaru Outback has 300,385 miles. This is the original transmission.

[@DoruHalipM]

@ thank you!!! Unfortunately the service manager never recommended the cvt oil maintenance even when I precisely asked. Now, I have 90k and cvt oil never had been changed. At this point many people say don’t do it anymore.

[@glenmorrison4228]

Outstanding video. Clear, concise and fact based. Thank you.

[@judih.8754]

I like the fuel economy of the CVT. I had the one in my 2021 Outback fail due to "primary and secondary pulleys jumping erraticly indicating chain slippage." This was approximately at 25k miles. The main symptom was a shudder when I pulled away from a stop. It was replaced and I haven't had any issues. I was told this was an uncommon failure. I am still sold on the car and the transmission as its smooth and returns great fuel economy.

[@johnstrand2247]

I have had service managers at two different dealerships tell me that every CVT has that shudder and no way around it. My replacement CVT had a shudder even worse than my original.

[@garrybrooks4451]

A great, informative and myth busting video. Thank you

[@michaelchristensen2786]

I like the CVT. The feel and power are better than the standard automatic transmission. To me, it's the ideal for a transmission. I think people get used to a certain feel and don't like the change. The only thing I don't like is the fake gearing, what a waste. And of course reliability is always a concern but so far so good.

[@btrew2u]

Yes, such an informative, teaching video. I think I actually understand how cvt’s work😮! Thankyou. Makes me feel much better as I like so much about this make of car - especially having grown up in classic Canadian winters and also enjoying living closer to nature vs urban settings. Can’t ignore this AWD system.👏🙏

[@Uzbal]

Always an absolute pleasure listening to your videos. I had the CVT replaced on my 14 Outback due to chain slip. To be fair, I’ve owned my Subaru for a long time in the most extreme climates (Alaska, Death Valley). With that I can say I will never own another vehicle brand.

[@billyounger9713]

If you owned a Toyota you wouldn't have a huge repair bill at 10 years old!! 😉

[@Uzbal]

@@billyounger9713 Thanks. If I wanted to talk about the reliability of a Toyota vehicle, I would have done it on a different video where the topic was concerning Toyotas.

[@kheff46]

Another great video! You're the essential subaru mechanic!!

[@dadbod8112]

Love driving a Subaru CVT. Learned the hard way not to dog it. It was just too much fun. Won't do it again cuz it cost too much $. Excellent video, thanks.

[@andrewvillavicencio8496]

Thank you! My 2017 OB is still running smoothly (knock on wood) after 145K miles. Regular service / maintenance (learned from your videos), 2 CVT fluid changes (60k, 120K) done at dealer. My daily commuter.