Subaru Forester Wilderness vs Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road Shootout!

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

I’m a Toyota fanboy, admittedly. Reliability of Toyota vs Subaru long term leans heavily towards Toyota. However, 40k dollars is crackpipe-action for the RAV4. The Subaru is 100% the better buy for most folks. I am a true Toyota fan and will remain loyal, but the Subaru is an incredible value.

[@Jay-bw3fl]

Not to mention it’s just a cooler vehicle and a grown man has head room in the Subaru unlike the Toyota

[@TheMeanmarine13]

The Subaru's overheat with minimal throttle adjustment off road. And wimpy CVT. No thanks haha. It's a woman's car. If I can't take my 4x4 truck, then I would take that yoda for sure.

[@TonkaFire2019]

@@Jay-bw3fl gotta say yes way more headroom. I have a 2017 Tacoma and i hit my head regularly or my hat brushes against the sun visor. Gfs cross trek has plenty of leg room, better seating position and more head room. Even the tundra doesn’t come close to other brands

[@Jay-bw3fl]

@@TonkaFire2019 Yep. I love Toyota but every model is severely lacking in headroom for people with long torsos like myself. I’m only 5’10” but I have to lean the seat back to fit in the rav4 with the seat all the way down. Headroom is the main reason I never bought a Tacoma. Always wanted one.

[@porsche558]

@@TheMeanmarine13I haven’t seen a single video of a Subaru overheating. Also enough with the CVT not all of them are bad just the Jatco’s in Honda, Mitsubishi, and Nissan. No one likes a bug that says things in opposition just for the sake of saying things in opposition.

[@greggh8611]

I sold my 97 Toyota 4Runner last year, which I bought new. I've also owned 2 Rav4s. My last one was a 2012 model. I loved them all and never thought I would own anything other than a Toyota. Obviously a bit of off road capability is important to me. I was in the market last year for a new car. These were the exact 2 cars that my search boiled down to. I chose the Subaru for all the reasons that you mentioned. But there were things that were such a huge difference like: Visibility in the Subaru was infinitely better. The Subaru came with skid plates. To me, the interior was vastly superior in the Subaru - the screen in the Toyota looks like someone taped on an iPad. The tires on both are light A/Ts but the Geolanders are 3 peak rated. The back seat in the RAV4 felt claustrophobic - probably because the windows are so small. It was also easier to access the back seat in the Subaru - I have a kid now. I live in Canada and the price differential was almost $10,000. But, even if price was not a consideration, I would still rather have the Forester Wilderness. I bought the Subaru (I can't believe it still). I love it.

[@patmer2087]

“Taped on an iPad!”😂

[@trojanmoondoggie4582]

I was a Toyota driver for a long time and really don't have any complaints about them whatsoever. The Toyotas I drove were quite simply, bulletproof. My reason for going with the Subaru had a lot to do with the interior space. The RAV has always just felt a little too cramped for me, whereas with the Subaru, you can push the driver seat all the way back, and even at 6'3, I can jump in the rear seat behind the driver seat and still have great leg room. Subaru just does a great job with interior space. As far as the interior attributes, does Toyota come off as a little more "stylish"? Maybe. But I appreciate the functionality and the simplicity of the Subaru. And how they really haven't changed their interior all that much. Maybe it's because they know Subaru drivers don't need stylish. They provide what their drivers want. I love my Forester, and it just might be my favorite vehicle of all time. Great review, by the way.

[@g.a.duncan3608]

I don't like RAVs myself. I always thought a woman's SUV although I saw a TRD pro RAV4 that shocked me, it's getting better

[@BaldKiwi117]

​@@g.a.duncan3608wtf is a woman's suv? Why are you assigning genders to cars lmao

[@danthomas9567]

I really liked the split screen views comparing the vehicles as they tackled the same obstacle! Keep up the great work!

[@thecutlemon8101]

Yea

[@subiesojourner777]

Having driven a quite a few of these type of vehicles since I'm in the market for one, I've settled on the Forester Wilderness in the Autumn Green and upgraded stereo/nav option. 😁

[@puffdc]

I have this combo. It's a great vehicle

[@Honestandtruth007]

Yes that's the one I can only dream of 👍☺️

[@ghlee2300]

I do want to see more Forrester stuff. I just bought this car in the wilderness and I love it and I haven’t had a chance to take it out myself, so I want to live vicariously through you!❤

[@clintonrice525]

As a Forester Wilderness owner who obsessed over comparison research beforehand (thank you for your numerous video contributions to that research!), I’ve concluded that in the 35-45k price range, Forester Wilderness is my own ideal compromise between daily comfort and overlanding capability, Bronco Sport would probably be my next stop if giving up comfort for capability, and the RAV4 TRD (I seriously looked at a Tacoma, but concluded that it wasn’t the ideal fit for my life the 363 days per year that I’m not in deep woods) would probably be the stop in the opposite direction-giving up a little capability for comfort. I haven’t found that Honda’s offerings are capable enough, and Jeep isn’t as reliable as I’d like for the price.

[@huntstyle]

I question the reliability of the Bronco, as well. I just don't have much confidence in Fords.

[@clintonrice525]

@@huntstyle fair point…with the Broncos and Bronco Sports being entire new product lines, there isn’t a whole lot of historical data about their long term reliability, regardless of the broader Ford family.

[@tayloranderson616]

Hey uhm, I think we might be in the same mindset. I have to buy a car in the next week due to my car being totaled. Would you recommend buying

[@clintonrice525]

@@tayloranderson616 yep, I’ve had mine for 10 months, 18000 miles and a few dirt roads, albeit with few tests of serious capabilities, and it has performed wonderfully at every step.

[@Databyter]

As a Wilderness Owner and long time Subaru Outback owner I think you (and almost everyone) share a common misunderstanding about X mode. It is not Regular, Dirt, Deep Snow, in order . Rather it is three seperate conditions with regular in the middle and for MOST secenarios, even difficult ones offroad, you want to be in Regular mode, i.e. not in dirt, not in deep snow. Regular mode is the best compromise between the extremes of no wheel spin vs maximum momentum with some wheel spin. Regular gives you a sort or middle of the road approach which is usually better 90% of the time for most situations. I get why people think it is Good, Better, Best. But that really isn't how it works. And Regular mode CAN and WILL outperform the other two modes in mixed conditions where you basically want the standard mode logic to make a judgement call based on fuzzy logic. They even started putting Regular mode in the MIDDLE of the other two modes in graphics and controls, to help people understand that Regular mode is a MIX of two extremes, and IS the best mode to be in 99% of the time Even offroad. I have had my Subaru in deep snow, dirt, deep soft sand, water, mud, etc, I am am fully prepared to air down or use an Xmode. But I've had it for almost a year now (Outback Wilderness), and honestly I have not felt the need. It does great offroad, and frankly better than the other two modes, when you just leave it alone. I certainly would not have needed any of those other Xmodes in that park, except maybe dirt going over those slipper stumps.. Looks like fun. Also I should state that I have bigger taller wider Falken WIldpeak Trail AT's on a slightly wider wheel, so that might go along with my not feeling the need for the Xmodes. Peoples needs may vary. p.s. The line you took him on was fine. You told him to keep that slight right angle, and he didn't believe you and turned left and fell off. A spotter is only as good as the ability of the driver to follow instructions, and this is WAY harder than people realize because the driver has all kinds of inputs that are frequently at odds with what a good spotter is seeing. Also, this is a video, and I may be totally wrong about this, because of the lens perspective. It looked like he drove off the side of the slippery log, but maybe he had to for another part of the line. Databyter

[@tgreak5293]

Have had my Forester Wilderness for a few months averaging 25.6 mpg, 27 on a recent long trip. My last Forester was 13 years old with 170,000. My hubs was a Subaru mechanic, he loves them. Loved my Hondas and Toyotas, drove all comps before buying this. The suspension is softer, great ride.

[@robervin9107]

The intro Ryan sang nick was blown away at the high note also I find nick has a calming voice with Ryan they really balance out the channel really well love you guys soo much when nick is in a episode I am super happy

[@generalcaeser9176]

Forester starts @ $7,000 less money and comes with a front mounted trail cam, higher ground clearance and under armor protection. Is there really a question as to which one you should buy? lol

[@MrRed0devil]

Cool video. Nice comparison. $8000 is a LOT of money and it seems hard to justify that Toyota premium.

[@danielmapp6577]

Where is everyone getting the info that these two vehicles are $8000 apart in price? I'm not seeing that on Edmunds or the Subaru and Toyota websites.

[@rmelotto]

I really enjoyed this more technical video, specially with the split camera showing both cars, that was sick, please do more of that in future videos

[@Mozeart]

I love my 2020 TRD, I lifted it 2in and put bigger all terrain Wild peaks on it after 2 years of driving it all over the west and Midwest. The price wasn’t cheap but I enjoy it whether I’m going to the grocery store or off roading in UTAH and NEW MEXICO. Plus the design and all out looks is better. It’s almost all paid off and I’m going be upgrading stuff once it is.

[@theeconomist100]

YOU LIFTED a RAV4 lol

[@Mozeart]

@@theeconomist100 Yep! Looks sick as fuck. Super fun to drive and still does great on my basic day to day needs. Probably the best looking SUV in the game for the price and all the cool features.

[@johnnyboi5661]

@@theeconomist100you’ll be surprise how common people lift crossover vehicles. People lifts outback’s, forester, crosstrek, rav4, jeep trialhawks, etc all the time.

[@marksucrese2406]

Thanks for actually picking a winner. Tired of watching comparison tests where they "just can't pick a winner". Well done on the side-by-side videos as well.

[@pacattack81]

I love that bam bam part in the begining. You mentioning it cracked me up! Please never change it lol. I can't wait to see more Forester Wilderness videos like you mentioned.

[@petercoyne4413]

Is it just me, or can any two wheel drive vehicle with enough clearance and AT tires handle those dirt roads??

[@SilverScarletSpider]

I appreciate you putting the younger presenters with less back pain in the car with stiffer suspension. something to consider with low back pain!

[@_Art.Vandelay]

Any plans to test the RAV4 Hybrid Woodland? I think the RAV4 line really shines with the hybrid power train but curious to see how the “outdoorsy” trim fares

[@getinthespace7715]

I like the forester ground clearance, you can get a 2" lift for relatively cheap, little bigger tires gets you up past 12". I hate the CVT though. Not sure about the newer foresters but the rear dif has a breather on my 2015 that can allow water in. They sell extensions for it.

[@huntstyle]

I'd like to see a Forester Wilderness vs base Forester comparison. How much of a difference does the Wilderness package really make?

[@calvin-]

Quite a bit with the extra ground clearance and revised final drive ratio.

[@elanthys]

One of the bast car review channels on KZbin. Thank you for the great work!

[@tsizzle]

I wonder how the RAV4 Hybrid or the RAV4 Hybrid Woodland Edition would do on the same trail. 🤔

[@toshiyam2853]

Hybrid model can't compete with Forester

[@THE______TRUTH]

Duuude your officially my favourite car channel. You've done the most offroad videos on the forester than anyone else. Also these are the exact wo models I was debating between in my head.

[@xaviermelendez2639]

Hey, great production value and good insights in the head-to-head between the Forester and the RAV4. That said, why not cross shop a Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk? A lot of industry reviews consider it to have very high off-road capability, and dollar for dollar, it’s likely the best value considering what you get…. 3.2 Liter V6 w/ 271hp + 239lb-ft, 9 speed automatic, Jeep Active Drive II w/ 5 drive modes and 2 speed transfer case, locker rear differential, factory lift kit w/ 8.7in clearance, skid plates, off-road AT tires, full size spare tire, etc…

[@RedPanther2030]

Toyota reliability is what you're paying for, and that's why it's more expensive. I'm also not a big fan of the cheap CVT. RAV4 looks way nicer on the inside and the outside as well. One factor that puts Toyota on the upper hand is that these cars keep their value. So when you sell, you won't lose money as much. That's always something to consider when I buy a new car. However if I want offroad capable car that can handle beating, I'd go for a truck.

[@Mcars918]

All that's left is their individual tastes, the Toyota Rav4 Trd and Subaru, all of which have their own advantages, but I prefer Toyota

[@Camerongproctpr]

I like both vehicles and had my choice, I picked the Toyota Trd rav4, because of reliability.

[@TRIBSSTUDIOS]

You bought me . I will get the forester

[@valdius85]

I wished there was a TQ Automatic trans in Forester. Saying that, the cost is much higher and for my needs Forester is great fit. I am happy to have it (2020 eboxer in Japan). The suspension is soft, visibility amazing, EyeSite is useful as well.

[@dalehousley528]

15:14 Whoo! I know that feeling all too well.

[@5000raied]

😂😂😂😂

[@bngr_bngr]

I wish the Subaru had an option of leather seats. I don’t like the tech seats as the only option.

[@alidogandereli]

We look forward to your nissan xtrail e4orce snow test and your comments on how the 4*4 system works.

[@kohort1]

It just seems crazy how they can market .5 inches over the standard clearance. What am I missing? You can drive over 1 extra pebble

[@chrisb.banick6720]

You can thank subarus rally heritage for how well the cornering on gravel and dirt is, also the seating position in all subarus is very rally esk.

[@motogene9367]

Ahh what is this ? These can be done by any car , There is no need of AWD just a car .. Expected really something you did with the compass trail hawk .. and the guy talking about hydro lock 😮 cmn mahn that water is not even touching the rims 😢

[@andersriksson100]

For off-road I'd go with the Subaru but my driving is more city centered, winter roads and pulling boat trailers up a ramp. For that I belive the Toyota will do just fine.

[@BraeburnTV]

Meh. Soft-roaders. What I REALLY want is a Suzuki Jimny: A tiny little lightweight tin can with great off road ability and a dead nuts reliable 4 cylinder. Forget these things, forget the Jeep Renegade. I know, crash safety ratings make a vehicle like Suzuki Jimny impossible in the US.

[@jameshoiby]

I miss my Suzuki Sidekick! Best 4-wheel drive vehicle I ever owned. It screamed like a banshee on the freeway at 75, but was a champ everywhere else.

[@kevindiener6391]

I've always loved your videos, but this one seems a bit "empty", ton of time worrying about scratching the cars. Keep videos coming, I've always enjoyed them 😊

[@heightenedaestheticsnation3940]

I installed mine on my Capstone about 6weeks ago based on your other video I was waiting for this to come out as well. I ended up buying an SD card reader for my iPhone and leave that in the truck if ever I need the video as I found the app transfer too slow and also loss of quality. Love how slick this thing is - it was a necessity for me as in my previous car I had a cyclist blow a stop sign at an intersection and I hit them - very nerve wracking to wait for the outcome without video showing what happened. Thanks for the reviews!

[@pauldub5767]

The one puddle I wanted to see you go trough you guys didn’t do 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻 . This vid disappoints

[@FlowJunkie65]

Excellent comparison vid, thank you Ryan!

[@RoguePlanetStudio]

Toyota off road version should come with at least an option get a front camera or use the front dash cam as one. On my Toyota matrix I installed a new car radio with front and rear camera options.

[@glow4417]

The 2023 TRD offers a 360 camera option.

[@Baldingbry]

Ryan, you got a throw the GMC terrain AT4 into the mix!

[@Gr8erAdventure]

Some people dont realize how welcoming the forester is for people 6+ foot tall and husky people vs rav4 were it seems like toyota only caters to small petite people! Also the interior and window in the forester is waaay better!

[@OscarRodriguez-ry1cv]

Good evening Sir, love the show and your testing of the vehicles capabilities. Would you be able to test the off road and winter capabilities of the Prime XSE version of the Rav4?

[@stevelamarre5865]

Great review. Good to hear how comfortable the suspension is on gravel road. How is the standard suspension compare to the wilderness in gravel road? I'm also curious as how do you compare this Forester Wilderness to the Outback Wilderness? I know that the Outback have much more power but that's not that important to me. Thanks 🙂

[@frebnewman6403]

Why must all the off-road models and sport models have dark interiors? My 4Runner has a tan interior. When I’m done off roading, I know how to clean it.

[@jamiecraswell9368]

Would love a comparison between jeep Cherokee trail hawk and this Subaru!

[@jimhuddle6885]

Yep me too! The Cherokee seemed the better choice to me and why I picked it.

[@victorlabadia881]

The Jeep would mangle it

[@logictd567]

No comparison

[@aflo6475]

When I saw the specs for the trd rav4 i was very underwhelmed. Doesnt live up to the trd name at all, so I wasn’t shocked you like the Subaru more. If they would put a 2 speed transfer case and a selectable rear locker like the jeep cherokee it would be much better

[@Joe-jj6vx]

FYI, 36's are not a thing. The most common tire sizes on built Jeeps are 33, 35, 37 and 40.

[@LaloMartinez]

Really enjoyed this video! Quick question, what tire pressures were you guys running? Thanks!

[@drivingsports]

Stock pressures. About 34psi.

[@papiboy6290]

Big thanks for your videos! Question for Ryan: How would u compare the forester with your personal Crosstrek? I got my Crosstrek Outdoor 2.5 delivered last friday (Québec here, outdoor trim = sport trim on the us market). I'd like your opinion on the mechanical and X-mode differences.

[@xophaser]

subaurs are popular with the trail/ hiking people here, (not into family, if you know what I mean) in the Pacific northwest (Seattle). But lately, I have seen more rav4 than any other suv. I just got a rav4 hybrid myself. 630miles on the hybrid before I had to refuel. It was 12.5 gallons, technically rav4 are 14.5-gallon tank. Maybe the emergency gallon. My old chevy would need to refuel around 12.2 ga and it has a 14 ga tank. I got to agree Subarus AWD system is a tad better for trail and hiking people, and rav4 better for family with gas economy with their hybrid tech. I am 90% on eco mode and sometimes normal when on the freeway. Don't use sport much and haven't touched trail mode. I just got it a few weeks. Off trail exclusive car, I would go with something else.

[@mikefoehr235]

Does the TRD OFF ROAD RAV 4 come with Bilstein or Fox shocks? At that price it should and should have a front camera. I will always take an automatic with gears ⚙️ over CVT.

[@Doc1855]

I really wanted a Forester Wilderness but I just can’t get past the 1990 Gloomy, Depressing Grey interior. So I bought a Forester Touring for the saddle Brown interior.

[@noahrobertson7199]

Let’s get the bronco sport on that trail!

[@drivingsports]

We are hankering to get one back from fleet but Ford has so far not provided one.

[@Lionheart638]

Awesome video! The Subaru Forester Wilderness is a sweet vehicle.

[@ilyaw.3081]

great video! the course looks so fun!

[@weekendwarrior8179]

Why are you afraid of the Jeep Cherokee trailhawk? It's the benchmark to judge any off road vehicle as it's the only crossover with an actual rear locker

[@drivingsports]

First: Jeep hasn’t had one in the fleet since forever. Second: it’s now discontinued.

[@Honestandtruth007]

I own and drive Subaru Forester Daily not for the Beautiful Style But Only for its Capabilities and more Comfortable driving....👍😅

[@seasonsspices]

For this type of off-road driving, would you ever air-down, and if so, any recommendations for the Subaru Forester Wilderness?

[@drivingsports]

No need. This was pretty easy stuff. That said dropping to 20psi would have helped the ride quality with the RAV4 on gravel.

[@jessebooth2371]

I’ve taken my rav4 xse hybrid with the stock hybrid tires up some crazy mountain trails. Ones that people at the top look at you like youuuu brought that up here wow. All you need to do is learn how to put the gas down and be able to accept some scratches haha

[@thebigempty_5792]

I really like the re vamp of this new Forester. BUT, why does that huge black horizontal accent hitting both tail lights remind me of a massive compact disc slot?? HAHA

[@honkytonk2010]

Love your videos Thank you for sharing your awesome!!videos 👍👏

[@Zanderthelab]

This episode is the best example for why 2 speed transfer case (4lo) is extremely important for off-road driving.

[@pacattack81]

It certainly wasn't needed here if you even watched the video

[@Zanderthelab]

@@pacattack81 that’s your opinion.

[@pacattack81]

@@Zanderthelab It's not an opinion. I watched the video and both SUV's went through the course without any need for a low range transfer case. There was some scraping in the RAV4 because of ground clearance issues, but both SUV's in this particular video had no other issues with the course where one would have said okay it would have done better with a low range transfer case. We all know a low range transfer case is always going to be a better option off-road, but let's be honest, these SUV's had no problems and you didn't watch the video. You just blabbered about 4lo without even watching.

[@Zanderthelab]

@@pacattack81 I didn’t say they needed it. I just said it’s important

[@pacattack81]

@@Zanderthelab You said this episode was the best example of why a transfer case is extremely important. My response is this video showed why a transfer case was not needed. There were no issues with these 2 vehicles tackling these obstacles. If you want to say a transfer case is important for offroading that's fine. You won't get any argument from me there. But if you're going to say this video is the best example of why a low range is needed than you're just flat out wrong.

[@lawrenceralph7481]

You didn't get sufficiently steep challenging terrain to display the CVT shortcomings.

[@everythingpro7545]

A small request...please also include metric units for us non-Americans 😂

[@TRIBSSTUDIOS]

I would love if you do a Forester Sport vs the wildness

[@LionRunner]

Same story for 4Runner TRD Pro. Toyota tuned Fox suspension are on the firm side vs on my Ironman video the Ironman do a better job handling. But none can compete with the ELKA 2.5DC suspension on my TRD Offroad. Those ELKA 2.5DC really are "shock absorbing" where it makes a rough road closer to a paved road feeling. On the Subaru even though the Subaru Forester Wilderness gave a more comfy ride with all that bottoming our may be the shocks will get damaged and fail prematurely start leaking than the Rav4 ones. Ryan can we have another round of testing Subaru Forester Wilderness vs Toyota RAV4 TRD Off-Road finding the limits of the AWD system. I don't think Toyota TV-AWD can beat the Subaru Symmetrical AWD. May be I'm wrong clutch based TV-AWD system might win over brake based Symmetrical AWD. Until that my bet is on Symmetrical AWD that will win.

[@Central-Scrutinizer]

How would you compare the cabin noise of both cruising at highway cruising speeds, say 65 -70mph?

[@esquiche]

And if you use the Subaru suspension kit on rav4, would You get the same confort?

[@evoemperor3776]

These offroad crossovers are so expensive you should just spend all that money on a base proper 4x4 if you plan to go off the beaten path.

[@OutdoorsandFire]

Interesting the Jeep Cherokee trailhawk was not included as it is also in this segment. I guess it’s just the clear winner as it has a low range and rear locker

[@louisvilaros9066]

I think with similar tires on a crosstrek it would of made it and ground clearance would of been closer to the toyota great video

[@colevedan7631]

Love my wilderness. I have found the black rims on it to be kinda garbage though. Super easy to mark up. Rock chipped up and I havn't even been off roading it much. Just to the local lakes to fish! I let subaru know! dissapointed.

[@Doc1855]

Ryan, What company do you recommend for purchasing skid plates for the Forester?

[@ryanroland6426]

If toyota really wanted to market and sell the rav4 trd they would add a rear diff locker, they already have one in the 4runner and tacoma. Its possible to make one for the rav4

[@fishguy911]

It already $8K more than the Subaru.

[@LordBass]

A fine video, but Ryan has already shown the RAV4 Off-Road to be all but useless "off road". For a Toyota buyer, a much lower trim makes much more sense.

[@radstevens]

great vid thx 🙏

[@BillKotraba]

Also, believe the Subaru does not have much down travel. Is that because of spacer lift?

[@dankatz3]

How do these two compare to the Ford Bronco Sport Badlands edition?

[@shawnmc7719]

Really would've like to seen that jeep compass in there too

[@bulldogxp1]

The Rav4 TRD has 360 view When going under 5mph click view and you can use as a trail cam it has 6 cameras

[@Whiskeybende]

The sensor alarms on the Toyota drive me crazy

[@faja8694]

For sure all points for the winner Subaru Forester 👍, even the Rav4 is toooooooo expensive 💸💸💸with less options 😂🤣

[@jakevalentine3282]

Can you guys do a video of Mazda’s new “outdoor/off-road” CX-50 Meridian vs the New Subaru Forester Wilderness? @drivingsports

[@drivingsports]

We’ve been waiting for it. No ETA unfortunately.

[@albeklik8055]

This review is it's only about one thing only but who cares let's look at longevity and the repair cost?

[@adrianalvarado1291]

That’s a very ligth off road test

[@erickramirez1038]

New highlander vs New ascent offroad please

[@largesizejellyfish3014]

The wilderness wins for me because of visibility and softer suspension.

[@mistersecret88]

Omg. It's the easiest course ever. Big drama Subaru getn too close to tree on curve? Rav4 guys goes right through. Wow

[@jaguar5067]

Why didn't they do a diagonal hanging test?

[@andrew1575]

Which is better? the G-D Cherokee Trailhawk

[@mrgarrison3516]

If i had to give advice on car brands: if you're a person with excess cash buy any Toyota over a German brand car....but if you value $$, buy a Subaru, they're still a reliable Japanese brand 👍

[@MegaSlowe]

Not a fan of CVTs. Hunting for gears all the time. Subaru AWD is the world's best, hands down. Subaru 4 cylinder engines are typically underpowered, but have become very reliable in the last 10 years or so. I don't do this kind of thing, and I'm too big for either of these. I need to move a step up to an Outback or a Highlander.

[@craighooker3276]

Where's the Bronco Sport?!?! Would happily volunteer my Badlands for day of testing. Seattle Local!

[@markk8124]

As a current Forester Wilderness owner, I admit the RAV4 looks pretty sweet. However, I can’t justify the price different. BONUS: I was able to qualify for a supplier discount with Subaru and saved an extra $2,300 😊.

[@glow4417]

Price difference is easily worth it when you factor in future repairs. A lot of people freak out over the cost of Toyota's, but know nothing about the superior engineering and parts used. Trust me, owned both brands and the Subaru will always end up costing more if you end keeping the car long-term.

[@markk8124]

I heard the same thing about Honda. Prior to buying a Subaru, I owned a 2019 Honda Civic Si. My plan was to keep it as my daily commuter. Turbo failed at 62k miles. After $8k in repairs, I’m giving Subaru a shot. Toyota may be next, but so far I’m enjoying the Forester Wilderness.

[@lukedejour]

Reliability

[@babagandu]

Both tiny junk

[@NinjaGamong]

maybe if you got to drive the rav 4 as a regular road vehicle, yes. More torque, more things to tow. I have a rav 4 adventure and I would chose it over the forrester any day just because it has more HP and torque. you can slap a 1inch rise on the supnsion which would be the best and cheapest impactful upgrade too. the price tag is a bit much to swallow but combine it with toyota's reliablity factor, that is just enough for me to say yes to toyota.

[@flightmedic7634]

How does a TRD Off Road package not have a basic item such as skid plates? Kinda makes TRD package seem a bit like a poser package instead of a trail ready one.

[@FlRiAfCeTLE]

Great video! Just to add, the Wilderness rocks a full-size spare tire. Pretty nice for exploring forest roads.