Subclass Tier List | PvP | Destiny 2 S24 (E1)

[@Thomas_Kubb]

Only doing dishes cuz you said to, it’s like you knew I have a sink full of

[@SamStraker]

Have fun bro

[@ithingys4408]

Proud of you! 🎉

[@Jeesh2234]

I promise I started doing dishes because he said it haha. Productive gaming!

[@keyeba]

Yeah I should have thrown this vid on like a minute ago.

[@pothaudio]

I kept it going like a pay it forward dishes comment thing.

[@gumunkulus]

fun fact: Monster energy has a pH of ~2.7, which is quite acidic but not dangerous, except to your tooth enamel if consumed in large quantities.

[@CapKong]

Nice, I'm on my third can today

[@fishballs333]

I'm sure you saw the picture of the guys tongue that got eaten away from multiple energy drinks.

[@PainGumbo]

Explains the frequent dentist visits lmao

[@BahamutBreaker]

This is actually, true, which is somewhat surprising for information found in a KZbin comment. Lemon juice and lime juice typically have a pH between 2.0 and 3.0, and common cola beverages (Coke, Pepsi) are around 2.5. It is worth noting that MOST commonly consumed foods (by humans) have a pH between 3.1 and 7.2. Going outside this range isn’t a great idea, but it’s not necessarily “harmful”, at least in small or sporadic quantities. Drinking Coca-cola or Monster every day, though? Can’t recommend that.

[@mohbius2]

solar titan makes me so sad. Chain sunspots used to be a lot of fun

[@Electric.Spaghetti.Neon.Studio]

Me too. RIP

[@giantslayer9335]

And then along came lorely, and single-handedly caused every sunspot nerf since.

[@snacki_6730]

I am a proud owner of the ursa/armamentarium combo class item and I can confirm you get your super incredibly fast, I had a game this week where I got my behemoth super like 3.5 minutes into a game and the enemy team was not ready for it

[@waver1562]

Been using prism titan since release, makes cqc primaries, mainly smgs so good that I'm surprised i don't see it more often. You get glacial grenade to close gaps / doors and platform up, also for fast upwards movement, you get truster for one of the best mobility tools in the game, wich also pairs amazingly with pks if u are running dynamo since ur always close to targets. You get throwing shield wich after testing i feel is the best melee to use in the setup no joke, leads to a lot of 1v1s you can win by leading / finishing with a shield, you can also truster into skate while using shield to damage the pursuing enemy and get a comeback on the fight. It's not the most used combination, but i do encourage ppl to try it out just because it's really fun. Aspects ofc knockout and lances for snowballing purposes, one kill leads to another in trials if u get a lance wich you can force so easily. Tested the truster + drengers combo, but the ball breaks so easily that it isn't worth it imo

[@candi_appel]

Shiver Strike is still the best if you're familiar with it imo

[@claybylicki3040]

because people are too caught up saying titans are garbo they haven’t used that shiver strike suppress base combo, easiest character to go flawless during aisha weekend fr

[@RememberTheDuck]

I have a class item with double grenades and ophidians. I use weakening suppressors and I can't remember the last time I got solo supered successfully.

[@fleefie]

​@@claybylicki3040Titans just have a high skill floor. Most people can't make Titan work, but if you have thumbs, you're literally thanos with no counterplay. Same in PvE btw, Titans are just the best class appart from SPECIFICALLY ranged precision DPS and that's IT.

[@waver1562]

​@candi_appel oh i've used shiver strike a lot, went through all its buffs and nerfs sonce stasis came out because i love movement behemoth, i just feel theres a lot of untapped potential on shield throw for the playstyle thats why i recommend it. With this particular playstile it clicks, wins ur team a lot of fights, its really flexible IMO and worth trying

[@Harry_Fullick]

A fun fact in favour of stasis warlock and stasis/ prism titan is that the freeze rift and diamond lance can freeze a storms edge hunter after the teleport but before the spin attack. The timing on this is super tight and you only have one chance but it's a great shutdown tech.

[@YeetmanSkeetman]

Boots of the assembler have been working significantly better for me than speakers sight. The only reason to run speakers over boots was for the orb creation. Running a dedicated support build, no matter which exotic, is just extremely potent.

[@RememberTheDuck]

Depends on your teammates, ultimately. In stacked teams it works 100% of the time, in public lobbies it works 50-70% of the time.

[@sentientbadge394]

Hey cammy, quick Q, can you do a video on your PVE loadouts going forward? I believe you said you used one main setup that can just be transferred across all subclasses. Is that still the same? Can you show that for each character plus the 10 weapons in each slot you take in any PVE activity.

[@peanut5357]

I NEED the "My (insert class here) builds for s24 E1" Those are the best, and I bet you probably have a million builds at this point. But I really am excited for it :)

[@scl0074]

Its kinda insane that no matter what the meta is whether its stasis 5 second freeze and mini-nuke crystals, super threadling spam with threadrunner, or even just the current insanity that is prismatic Dawnblade is consistently up with them if not surpassing them solar warlock is INSANE.

[@allmightgt4861]

Thank you for explaining how good each of those S+ classes actually are regardless of representation in the live game

[@AtherD2]

ive been preaching the unbreakable tech, the aspect is seriously slept on since you get to turn ever ability prism hunters frow at you into super energy...its also just a pseudo-bastion aspect if you cancel animation with swapping weapons to save up on energy

[@BahamutBreaker]

“This is a good video to do the dishes to” I feel exposed.

[@rhyshuber9981]

What was the flashbang buff. I must have missed that in the patch notes. Also I think putting gunslinger on the same level as berserker in pvp tells me all I need to know about this list lmao

[@progguru97]

Do dishes to? Damn cammy already knows my daily routine

[@SighDUX]

Great insight as usual. I respect the unbiased take on Cyroclasm. Thank you!😊

[@ziggy8894]

The counter to storm's edge is a well-placed glacier grenade. If you block the exact spot that a storm's edge will appear, they will fall out of the sky like a clay pigeon. If you don't, they just smack into it anyways and gives you one less part of their super you have to deal with. I play behemoth titan to mix movement and creative cover options, and when I know supers are gonna be in play I try to keep my grenade up to outright cancel a storm's edge that will inevitably be on the enemy side. Hope this helps! (Also prism titan has a glacier grenade, I know it's a better version of behemoth but I can't let go of cryo slide)

[@w1ld]

Final warnign mentioned!

[@KBDaDragon]

Idk if I missed the video. But I started watching you back with your blade dancer breakdown years ago in D1. I would love a similar video for ascension and its applications. Keep up the good work. Always enjoy the content.

[@eduardoortiz3909]

Wonder what Prism Warlock would look like if optimized or at it's best shape.

[@hashi95]

Love this video, i was waiting for this ❤

[@Dys7ro]

Is it me, or does song of flame have no super armor? Every time I pop it, I get beamed instantly

[@mynamesnotchom366]

The tracking on the axes is pretty bonkers, I yeeted an axe from B to tree stump on Bannerfall and it bent around the middle thing to kill someone

[@HynraCanFly]

Given time I think stasis hunter has the potential to be at least on A tier with the new frost armor buff paired with duskfield spam/cd cycle while using renewal grasp. The radius of the grenade can be used defensively and aggressively (+block res/heavy for a very long time). On top of that it creates a crystal that you can use to proc whisper of shards or use to take off angles. Sounds good on paper atm but considering how prism hunter can accomplish pretty much the same thing with just a little more cd I don't see enough ppl using it to see it's fullest potential.

[@HynraCanFly]

You can also use it as an easier behemoth spam setup where you only need to throw 1 duskfield, stand in it for about 5 seconds, and you have a 16% dr for about 13 seconds, break the crystal for grenade regen. Anyone who damage you while you have this dr will grant you more grenade energy.

[@ym3r854]

Funny AF since I just opened my tap to do my dishes whilst this is on play 😅. Just had to comment.

[@thealldayspecial]

Shadebinder is the epitome of one of those things in a video game when somebody is actively scary and playing to a way you're not expecting/inventive, it can be such a tricky thing to deal with, especially if they got a fireteam member who's doing a completely different scam on Shadebinder. Very obnoxious to play against when there's a 3rd friendly who's on something that chips in more damage like plug and play wombo Spectre stuff

[@Breakingthebane]

Seeing Arc Warlock finally fall below Stasis Titan feels like a tragedy I had to watch in slow motion, it's so incredibly bad in both PvE and PvP that it's mind-boggling. Prismatic Warlock just made me realize just how much better Arc Warlock could be if they just spent some time buffing it.

[@q.7556]

Any tips for prismatic warlock, I feel like I just can’t make it work. Just not sure what combinations of aspects and fragments work for it in pvp

[@ThaneCrosoft]

Was doing dishes when i clicked on this vid. Haha

[@SrtSlider376]

“Dis is a PVP list, dont care about the pve side” knew i fuxked wit Cammy🗣️, lit vid btw bro🌋

[@itze0n151]

stasis titan makes me sad

[@thepurpdoesthework]

Wait wait hold the phone 📞 whats this interation with ursa furiosa and unbreakable? I LOVE that new aspect 😂

[@drscout5998]

if we consider the class items for prism , warlocks cant hold up with the other classes

[@jacobcervantes8961]

4:04 we got a flashbang buff? Does anyone know what changed or when this happened? Was it a tfs change?

[@hasyyu]

The only buff relating to flashbangs I found in the TFS release patch notes was the spark of recharge buff, maybe he was referring to that

[@tee-ravis]

Yeah if they stand in the smoke, it’s pretty good. Who would’ve ever thought?

[@RememberTheDuck]

I still really like Behemoth. I just dislike how much agency Bungie tore from the class with some of the nerfs.

[@DrKrFfXx000000000000]

Nerf the dishes. They spawn too fast.

[@kalicula7718]

The only thing stormcaller has going for it is chaos reach, which has the same cooldown as bubble and well

[@VAVORiAL]

Prismatic Warlock is overrated imo. Bleak Watcher gives enemies Kill Clip perks and Memento Mori if they destroy it, Hellion is too slow and shoots walls half of the time, Lightning Surge is good but inconsistent and it wants you to sacrifice your regular melee, Devour is okay but requires a kill, Weaver's Call is just all around garbage. And Lightning Surge is not even that good in this meta. Clones and Smokes hard counter it.

[@ShadowNemesis575]

I'd say its less overrated and more it just preforms better in lower skill lobbies and you have to lock in to take advantage of it in higher skill lobbies. The kit isn't free but if you know what you're doing you can apply alot of pressure. You do have a fair point though that the standard prismatic hunter spam can shut it down like it shuts down most classes if they have fast enough cooldowns but it's not as op as people say, just really annoying to fight because the whole setup is area denial thats spammed. Drop the hunter before he can press grenade, melee, and dodge and you won't have any issues.

[@fleefie]

​@@ShadowNemesis575Agreed greatly on the applying pressure part. Shadebinder and Prism are good not because of the freezes and ignitions you'll get, but because of the threat of doing so. If you insta freeze someone the moment that they walk through a door but they won't do it, congrats you won the engagement and that part of the map is now yours.

[@ExpertRam]

I think blink with phoenix dive is pretty strong, aspects leave a little to be desired but they are also giving you more fragment slots, probably easily the best transcendence grenade too

[@VAVORiAL]

@@ExpertRam Blink is irrelevant. People used it to get to sniper lanes first, but snipers aren't too hot right now. Also, a half decent hunter sees you blinking towards you and then just dodges, leaving a clone behind. If you wanna go fast, just snap skate

[@ExpertRam]

@@VAVORiAL “blink is irrelevant” is definitely a uh… interesting take. Blink isn’t solely about going fast + lmk when you figure out how to snap skate on jumper, I’ll be waiting.

[@Shxlbyyy]

Ive got spirit of Abeyant/armamentarium, which is really fun with jolting pulse nades, but i really want abeyant with contact. Shatter strike a group of suspended enemies, jolt them all, profit

[@chickenchongla764]

Digging a hole while listening

[@TheChinchillaArmy]

Just got off work, perfect wind down video.

[@frigidak]

I come bearing gifts for those with a Thunderclap addiction. Prism Titan Drengers Lash That is all.

[@Jacob_Moore]

Yes my time has come for divine deliverance, feel my well of radiance and bath in my benevolence, heed my blessings and be restored with divine faith

[@DanielSouza-ib6xo]

Oem true void titan scatter nade + throw with a riposte w desperate measures and to the pain = nuke titan in 6s with a .58ttk void weapon

[@domawe]

realistically bubble and well are like A tier now only thing holding them up is how fast you get them.

[@rhyshuber9981]

Bubble just sucks. You can instakill a titan in a bubble with just about any special weapon these days. It’s hardly even a super anymore AND yo don’t even get the damage buff. You’re better off just running axes

[@meerjt11]

They should give arc warlock a celestial nighthawk exotic to give it a boss damage role. Let me charge up chaos reach and fire out the 999,999 damage beam from excision for 1 tick.

[@scottparrott5674]

Void Titan still S tier now that it got the new super.

[@millionstabs6891]

can anything stop top tree dawns winning streak

[@arjunbaweja7755]

my man said top tree

[@life-destiny1196]

@@arjunbaweja7755 I mean the literal removal of trees didn't stop it

[@Goth_Girl_IHOP]

Idk if this is dumb to ask, but is there any merch that you have cammy? Twas wondering if you had any?

[@benben7667]

Actually doing dishes at my job 😅

[@Dynasty1818]

Fixing matchmaking should be a bigger priority. Losing every game without fail as a Gold Tier 3 is just maddening.

[@smellon2767]

Bubble as a super is literally the worst super in the game now, it's actually hilariously bad. Titans get nerfed the hardest but well is essentially the same

[@rhyshuber9981]

Such is the cycle. Nerf the titan ability harder than the warlock ability that was better in the first place

[@Welverin]

Well is NOT the same.

[@rhyshuber9981]

@@Welverin it’s still uncounterable by 99% of things in this game, just like it was before, and still doesn’t go away if you kill the guy that placed it, unlike bubble. The only thing that can take out a team of 3 in a well is MAYBE some form of mass ignitions like consecration or some warlock abilities maybe

[@Welverin]

@@rhyshuber9981 The DR and health regeneration are a shadow of what they used to be and it was possible to kill people in a well before. It may have been hard before, but it is easy now. Just because bubble got hit harder, doesn't mean well was untouched. Both of them were problems in PvP and both needed to be dealt with since they were a plague in all zone based 3v3 modes. Furthermore, people need to stop with the childish whataboutism.

[@grayfullbuster2622]

Do you happen to have a build with the Titan class item you mentionef? 'Cuz i got it to drop the other day and would love to see a video on it. I might be trash at pvp but i might as well have fun while being trash

[@tmmonica117]

How do you know I listen to your stuff sometimes doing the dishes bro?... weird .. lol

[@simonandreyevdestiny]

Thx :3

[@yermo-2820]

I am concerned about not a single word about 25% damage resistance bug. Just dodge against anyone and you will be a raid boss for several seconds (pretty sure timer it is also bugged). You can survive heavy GL, Dawnblade super shots, tank Slug critic, almost everything. Cant count amount of times a Hunter appeared in front of me and he STILL had the bug against me from a gunfight from before

[@colinfaherty661]

They fixed that today

[@yermo-2820]

@@colinfaherty661 They fixed nothing they clearly said Mid august in TWAB, people are supposing is in Act II which has nothing to do with PvP

[@colinfaherty661]

@@yermo-2820 it was literally in today's patch notes lol

[@life-destiny1196]

@@colinfaherty661 can confirm

[@yungsausgod.2869]

golden gun a tier at least can knock down 3 supers or a full squad in competitive

[@ned9542]

Needlestorm is the worst super in the game in my opinion. Been using it a lot recently and there are many times where it literally just doesn't track to an enemy or doesn't one shot them. They should seriously look into that

[@FTCRW]

1 second short of being leet

[@glowiboi]

dont all supers have same cooldown in PvP now?

[@kratos3500]

Can you explain the flash bang buff? I didn’t see anything about that

[@cammycakesgaming]

even if you're not looking at the flashbang, it still fully flashes. previously you could purposely put your back to the flash, and you'd only be partially flashed.

[@wezzy9437]

Strong disagree with well I've been team shooting wellocks and they tip like a cow. Idk what lobbies Cammy is un but I doubt strongly he's gone up against a well post nerf.

[@treyrandall2983]

Ironically Me do often be washing duh dishes while watching you... Or is that unironically?

[@user-hk7st5ok9s]

Kind of upset for the reason they buffed stasis. Just to have them mesh with prismatic i think. Almost thought they remembered my favorite class for a second. Still using stasis titan where it shouldnt be used though

[@kyleswenson4568]

What setup do you run on your stasis titan? Been considering trying it out recently after the cryo buff

[@user-hk7st5ok9s]

@kyleswenson4568 well. I enjoy verglas curve, allows me to (in pve) use cover to take angles I regularly couldn't. I use Cadmus with diamond Lance and harvest, and rime, fissures, rending, and the grenade regen one I forget for stasis crysals. Essentially, use lances to lock down tightly knit mobs and larger enemies, and use verglas to set up cover and minefields and such. Break the crystals and get the armor, and use glacier grenade for instant cover or damage when you don't have a Lance or Verglas stacks. Fill in fragment choices where you think you should. Hope this helps!

[@chuyalvarado1631]

You weren't here first

[@taylormorgan3669]

I’m amazed strand Hunter wasn’t just behind prism Hunter and that they weren’t both above solar warlock

[@Unstressing]

strand hutner outside of divebomb and clones. only fits a specific playstyle and many just can't get it right or don't use the full kit. I assume that's why it's not up there

[@VAVORiAL]

Strand Hunter in the same tier as Strand Warlock is actually hilarious

[@taylormorgan3669]

@@VAVORiAL ikr

[@taylormorgan3669]

@@Unstressing it still has that low and high skill ceiling and really is just op as so it still should be up there imo

[@ExpertRam]

@@VAVORiALit’s because strand warlock has answers to things in this meta. It’s like in smash bros brawl when character tiers were determined by how well they could fight meta knight

[@Unstressing]

but here comes, the nerfs to Hunter. So It might be bumped down a tier or two depending on how heavy the nerf will be

[@jam726]

Doubt it tbh. The kit is still incredibly strong even without swarms. Grapple or duskfields is an S tier replacement depending if you want movement or map control.

[@Unstressing]

@@jam726 uhhh grapple is just movement as you said and the vast majority of players can't effectively even use it, and duskfields tickle and yes they slow you but the vast majority of the time you get out of the duskfield in half a second because most of the time it doesn't directly hit you and doesn't last long on the field.

[@jam726]

@@Unstressing sorry if you think dusks and grapple aren’t strong I don’t know what to tell you lol. Legit two of the strongest pvp nades in the game, good players get so much value from them.

[@Unstressing]

@@jam726 Notice what you said good players. Most people won't achieve the full utility. I'm not saying they are bad at all. I main Stasis hunter with duskfields. But to the majority of the player base they won't get the value

[@brandonhughes8606]

​@Unstressing someone needs to teach yall that just because something is hard to perform =/= it's weaker, it's in quite literally the opposite.

[@Badvideosguy]

Well is B tier now, its nowhere near so it drops solar warlock to S tier

[@MrAbysmaI]

I'd like a more in depth explanation of why you rate Sentinel so highly. Like, you say you couldn't 1v1 the Bubble before but you've posted many clips of you doing just that. No super, no Conditional needed. It seems biased to put it so high. Especially when you turn around and place Tether so low, with their buffed smoke bomb combined with all the other Hunter benefits. On top of the massively nerfed Bubble, it seems like you've got a Hunter's bias

[@joshtenney4143]

He did a pretty good job explaining what makes an S tier class: No glaring weaknesses or provides a utility or counter to oppressive strategies. The sentinel neutral game is still strong as it's ever been but you swap bubble for axes which has a fast cooldown for a one off super. If they did not get the axes then it would have dropped significantly. Nightstalker getting a bump in its neutral game is nice but the supers still hold it back especially when the buff to the class, the smoke bomb, is available on a stronger overall kit with Prismatic. The smoke bomb buff alone just doesn't justify it moving tremendously. You also have to keep in mind that clips of something happening doesn't equate to the ease of it happening. He might have 20+ clips of soloing the old bubble but there are hundreds of times where it doesn't work. The old bubble basically required the titan to make the mistake.

[@MrAbysmaI]

@@joshtenney4143 Hunter doesn't just have the smoke bomb though, it has the better jump and the class ability is better for gun fights too. Thats a strong neutral. Even with the old Bubble, to say the Titan needed to mess up is totally ignoring that it is a Super vs neutral. The Super should have the advantage and the Bubble is the easiest to challenge in neutral. Which Cammy has far more clips of him beating this Super from neutral then any other.

[@joshtenney4143]

@@MrAbysmaI The jump and class ability aren't unique to nightstalker so doesn't elevate it in relation to the rest of the sandbox. All hunters have those jumps and dodge abilities. Nightstalker at a certain point in the skill curve requires your team to set you up and the agency to swing a match on your own drops. Sentinel on the other hand retains its individual strength pretty evenly across the skill spectrum and then gets even better when you coordinate with your team. That's why he has it rated higher. Content creators are going to post highlights, not the 100 times a fight against a bubble failed. I'm sure you've seen it happen plenty where someone tried to fight a titan in their bubble and died, that was the norm. Hunters as a whole are rated pretty favorably in his tier list with the lowest rating being B tier. 1/3 of titan subclasses he rated at D tier so he isn't dogging on hunters.

[@MrAbysmaI]

​@@joshtenney4143 The Bubble is the easiest to contest. That's what is the norm. If you think people lose to Bubble more often, you're forgetting that it's a Super. It should have advantage against neutral. Which is why Cammy has so many clips of him doing so. A content creator will post clips of them beating a Super. He has more clips of him beating Bubble because it happens more often. It's pretty arbitrary to say Nightstalker needs more team setup but Sentinel gets stronger with team coordination. But... I have to retract my initial statement. I see that Tether is just one step below Bubble on the list. What I'm arguing more for is how Sentinel isn't nearly as strong as people say and putting it all on the Super is silly in the current sandbox. (And in general, since neutral games matters so much more)

[@Tigerbro6]

behemoth change sucked and made me stop playing. I discovered what was going on and they clearly didnt want us slide cancelling. if you stop running the cooldown works as normal, but now I have to fight my subclass instead of my enemies. absolutely garbage change that I wish they stopped pretending they care about stasis with these awful changes. its the sort of change that makes you question if they even worry what these changes do to a already low usage class.

[@Lolbsterbiscuit]

It’s a bug they confirmed on their latest TWAB. Once it’s fixed you’ll be able to utilize cryoclasm without janky sprint cancel-sprint-slide bullshit I’ve been using behemoth since the change, have gone flawless every weekend. Cryoclasm is still good, it just needs to be used differently now. Being able to cover a LOT of distance from a neutral position is quite helpful. Your long distance speed (like trials openings) isn’t as fast, but your burst repositioning is much faster

[@JohnCena-iq3tg]

By the way strand hunter is bugged atm and is removing your second grenade charge on death

[@Furiouspenguin27]

Prismatic titan in S+ tier above strand hunter is certainly an opinion

[@ExpertRam]

It’s the recently buffed stasis melee + knockout which is carrying it, with the network in this game it’s quite difficult to consistently counter

[@FlyyKaRizZmA]

Who th is using bubble titan in 2024?

[@joshuareznik9234]

I love how this mf Cammy knows I do my dishes to his videos 💀

[@deadlikewinter]

4th

[@brankobirac]

So, how many months until prismatic hunters get touched? When something pops a bit on warlock it's nerfed in like a week. I feel like there's 80% of people running prismatic hunters and all of their OP BS

[@Saturos12]

Months? Pris Hunters are getting nerfed today with the patch notes lol Edited: apparently not!

[@brankobirac]

@@Saturos12 oh ok then, I obv. missed that news :D I thought they said they are nerfing it at some undisclosed time in the future.. but yeah, we'll see how significant the nerf is in the end

[@Saturos12]

​@@brankobiraclikely Pris Hunter will still be the S+ tier but they'll be a lot less annoying. They'll start moving to Grapple grenade (maybe Duskfield) instead of Swarm. And the amount of Clones will be significantly reduced with however Bungie decides to nerf them (most likely a cooldown adjustment). Pretty excited to see the changes though

[@Saturos12]

Appears nerf isn't today? I'm out here spreading misinformation lol my bad. Edit: Ah! Found it. It should be in the mid season/act balance patch (early August). Luckily we won't have to wait too much longer. Hunters will still be annoying for the time being lol

[@life-destiny1196]

@@Saturos12 they did fix the Winter's Shroud DR bug, per the patch notes

[@kidneystone1345]

pay2win game

[@Flexthagoat]

the best subclass is free LOOOOOL

[@tenacity25]

I'm just waiting for the day that stasis shurikens aren't worthless in pvp again one day I miss them being useful for something other than using two 1:40 cooldown abilities in tandem with another ability (duskfield or slow dodge) to proc one freeze that warlock does for free with a single melee, or surplus. but no, I got MY favorite fun stasis ability nerfed to the ground almost immediately into the stasis meta, while shatterdive ran rampant until the 30th anniversary, and it still hasn't fully recovered from the far harsher nerfs that it did receive than shatterdive. There's literally zero reason to run them on Prism over literally any other option, especially threaded spike which just serves a very similar purpose so much better.