Subfactorial, a recursive approach

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@christophermusso
@christophermusso 5 жыл бұрын
Small error: In the expression for !3 on the right side of board you have !(2-1) instead of !(3-2).
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes. Thank you.
@christophermusso
@christophermusso 5 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen You're welcome. Thank you for all the great vids!
@wowo316g5
@wowo316g5 3 жыл бұрын
B
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
4! = number of ways to sit 4 people in 4 chairs !4 = number of ways for them to do Christmas gift exchange so that no one gets his/her own gift back
@ErickSousa-lx3qr
@ErickSousa-lx3qr 5 жыл бұрын
Hello. How can I calculate the derrangements of some elements when there are repeated ones? For example : How many derrangements does the word "purple" have? Pleade help me !!! I can't find this in any place of internet.
@Lordoftheflies234
@Lordoftheflies234 5 жыл бұрын
Prove that lim n->infinity of n!/!n = e ;)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Ericktubao xd I did the video for you kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnvNhmSlrKl1ps0
@ErickSousa-lx3qr
@ErickSousa-lx3qr 5 жыл бұрын
@@blackpenredpen Thank you so much !!!
@aniruddhvasishta8334
@aniruddhvasishta8334 5 жыл бұрын
Is there a non recursive formula for subfactorial(n)?
@alekseikhalin5808
@alekseikhalin5808 5 жыл бұрын
1:37 "I think you guys know the answer, I don't..." Shows the answer on his back Not bad, bprp
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Jhames Struggle : )
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 5 жыл бұрын
What, this video was uploaded 50 minutes ago, how is this comment 4 days old???
@Guysudai1
@Guysudai1 5 жыл бұрын
unlisted video quickly probably?
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Guysudai1 yes
@mustardthe2ndkingoffastfoo570
@mustardthe2ndkingoffastfoo570 5 жыл бұрын
@@valeriobertoncello1809 D-mail
@omarifady
@omarifady 5 жыл бұрын
The really saddest story in math is that !1=0 😭😭😭😭💔
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Fady Omari true.....
@sarveshjadhav4315
@sarveshjadhav4315 5 жыл бұрын
But, the real question is what is 'i!' And '!i' ?
@alekseikhalin5808
@alekseikhalin5808 5 жыл бұрын
Sarvesh that's not a *real* question.
@NeerajSharmah2c2o4
@NeerajSharmah2c2o4 5 жыл бұрын
That's an imaginary question sir.
@markorezic3131
@markorezic3131 5 жыл бұрын
An imaginary question, that could have a real solution?!
@someonesomeone4099
@someonesomeone4099 5 жыл бұрын
Sarvesh Gamma function 😂?
@rossjennings4755
@rossjennings4755 4 жыл бұрын
¡! is what a character in a Spanish-language cartoon says when startled, and !¡ is a percussive alveolar click. But that doesn't really answer the question, does it?
@ffggddss
@ffggddss 4 жыл бұрын
Also, !0 = 1. When there are no objects, doing nothing (the identity permutation) results in no object left in its original place! This definition also satisfies the recursion. And another useful way to write the recursion is !(n+1) = n[!n + !(n-1)] Fred
@AndDiracisHisProphet
@AndDiracisHisProphet 5 жыл бұрын
yea, as if mathematicians have 3 different friends... 7:45 that is a much more realistic situation
@alexyoize
@alexyoize 5 жыл бұрын
1:37 spoileeeer!!! ;-;
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
: )
@pocarski
@pocarski 5 жыл бұрын
now i have a fancy way of describing my life: "subfactorial one"
@welltypedwitch
@welltypedwitch 5 жыл бұрын
That shirt is so genius!
@ryanjagpal9457
@ryanjagpal9457 3 жыл бұрын
What does it say?
@nanashi_74_
@nanashi_74_ 4 жыл бұрын
1:36 he spoiled the answer 😂
@jumbochamploon2591
@jumbochamploon2591 5 жыл бұрын
but what is !0 ? Is it 0 because all 0 people get their own gift back or 1 because nobody gets their own gift back?
@tejaskrishna6802
@tejaskrishna6802 5 жыл бұрын
1
@jameroth7661
@jameroth7661 5 жыл бұрын
Look at the formula for !2= (1)(!1+!0) we know !2=1 and !1=0 so we can conclude 1=(1)(0+!0) if we simplify this we see that !0=1
@zepic3173
@zepic3173 5 жыл бұрын
@@jameroth7661 that logic doesn't work
@Uni-Coder
@Uni-Coder 5 жыл бұрын
@@zepic3173 Wikipedia "Derangement" says that !0 = 1
@elliottsampson1454
@elliottsampson1454 4 жыл бұрын
!1=0(!0+!-1) 0=0(1+!-1) 0=0×1+0×!-1 0=0×!-1 0/0=!-1 Well that didn't work Let me try again !0=-1(!-1+!-2) 1=-(!-1+!-2) -1=!-1+!-2 that still doesn't narrow it down much
@canaDavid1
@canaDavid1 3 жыл бұрын
If you test this formula on normal factorial (using n!=n(n-1)!) (n-1)((n-1)!+(n-2)!) (n-1)(n-1)!+(n-1)(n-2)! (n-1)(n-1)!+(n-1)! (n-1+1)(n-1)! n(n-1)! n! So this holds for factorial also. Interesting how much initial values change the result.
@CarmenLC
@CarmenLC 3 жыл бұрын
wait theyre the same fibonacci-ish formula with different starting values? wow
@rituchandra6325
@rituchandra6325 5 жыл бұрын
basically, subfactorial is the number of possible derangements of a group?! wow
@NonTwinBrothers
@NonTwinBrothers 3 жыл бұрын
Some friends were talking about gift giving Naturally first think I thought of was this!
@washizukanorico
@washizukanorico 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, didn t know about this derangement. The part about the “proof” of the recurring definition was kinda obscure to me ... I mean after thinking about it for a while I got convinced it worked but a better illustration (maybe a tree or whatever) would have been nice. I know it s hard to present complex stuff clearly most of the times ... but hey you ve get two differently colored pen, we know you can do it :) Thank you for teaching this new concept to me!
@dude7038
@dude7038 5 жыл бұрын
7:47 Hollywood actor 😂
@matteopagnini5795
@matteopagnini5795 Ай бұрын
May i ask why you can generalize the formula to as many people as you like as you say at 6:12
@gurpremsingh
@gurpremsingh 5 жыл бұрын
Wow you're really good at explaining! Loved it❤
@tsukibackup1513
@tsukibackup1513 4 жыл бұрын
blackpenredpen: *asks complicated math question* also blackpenredpen: *showes answer on back* you're my favourit youtuber. I like your ways of doing things.
@dwaraganathanrengasamy6169
@dwaraganathanrengasamy6169 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for such a great gift. It helps me remember it. 😍
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
Dwaraganathan Rengasamy thank you!!!!
@yuvrajsinghraj
@yuvrajsinghraj 5 жыл бұрын
Here's a JEE Advanced Derangement Problem Six cards and six envelopes are numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and cards are to be placed in envelopes so that each envelope contains exactly one card and no card is placed in the envelope bearing the same number and moreover the card numbered 1 is always placed in envelope numbered 2. Then the number of ways it can be done is
@granadierfc1953
@granadierfc1953 5 жыл бұрын
When 0!=1 , and !1=0
@howdy832
@howdy832 4 жыл бұрын
And !0 = 1
@subhrajyotidutta4725
@subhrajyotidutta4725 5 жыл бұрын
How do we prove limit n->inf n!/!n=e
@DarwinSPPD
@DarwinSPPD 4 жыл бұрын
I kind of expected !4 to be an inverse factorial function from 4. Proven wrong.
@Hampardo
@Hampardo 3 жыл бұрын
No inverse for factorial, since 0!=1!
@Mr.Sandman-83
@Mr.Sandman-83 3 жыл бұрын
4! for him: A mathematical process. 4! for me: FOUR
@DavidMartinez-ht8pp
@DavidMartinez-ht8pp 5 ай бұрын
Why nobody uses n¡ for that instead of !n that can be confusing if you are multiplying, ex: x!n, is it x!*n or x*!n? It would be easier if it was xn¡ and you would know which part is subfactactoriated
@ananyapathak8701
@ananyapathak8701 5 жыл бұрын
Christmath gift ..!
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 Жыл бұрын
Solve ordinary differential equation and find series expansion of the result (x^3+x^2)A'(x)+(x^2-1)A(x)=-x A(0)=0
@MOHNAKHAN
@MOHNAKHAN 5 жыл бұрын
So, Which way you are gifting me...?
@MemeLord42
@MemeLord42 3 жыл бұрын
TIL I thought completely wrong of subfactorial, I thought !n = (n-1)!
@MediTation-dc4cn
@MediTation-dc4cn 3 жыл бұрын
Dude it's okay, just don't scream so much
@That_One_Guy...
@That_One_Guy... 3 жыл бұрын
There's this weird formula that i don't know how to proof but it's much better than recursive approach : !n = Round(n! / e) (you get the 1/e from Maclaurin series of e^x when x = -1)
@Shishir27
@Shishir27 5 ай бұрын
(Deranged)ments
@BetaNegative
@BetaNegative 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining person 1 getting D means person 4 can't also get D. I'm serious! Maybe it's clear in retrospect, but I wasn't able to understand this from the textbook or anywhere else online.
@sharpmind2869
@sharpmind2869 3 жыл бұрын
0!=1 and !1=0 great 😊😎
@mjz5853
@mjz5853 5 жыл бұрын
原来!n就是错排数啊……其他地方有用这个记号的么……
@neverdie0001
@neverdie0001 2 жыл бұрын
Will OEIS add the sub factorial sequence “0129…”?
@asish6892
@asish6892 3 жыл бұрын
What is !0?
@soumitradas3714
@soumitradas3714 4 жыл бұрын
Sir,can you make a video on Lambert's W function !! I've no idea about that. Waiting for your video.
@JJPMaster
@JJPMaster 4 жыл бұрын
He did. A year ago
@lewisbulled6764
@lewisbulled6764 5 жыл бұрын
Hey blackpenredpen, could you help me with this question please? Differentiate (ax^2+bx+c)*ln(x+sqrt(1+x^2))+(dx+e)*sqrt(1+x^2) with respect to x
@eyeofthasky
@eyeofthasky 3 жыл бұрын
9:05 NO! 3-2 !^^ its always "n-2" :D ..luckily 3-2 is the same as 2-1 xD
@jarikosonen4079
@jarikosonen4079 4 жыл бұрын
What about inverse factorial as x!=120 and x!=y ?
@hermdude
@hermdude 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting. My first thought was that the notation's similar to the relationship between exponentiation and tetration, so I assume !4 = 4!×3!×2!×1!.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
hermdude that's a "superfactorial". In fact it's on my to do list. : )
@Wecoc1
@Wecoc1 4 жыл бұрын
And he finally did it, guys!
@yassinenacif418
@yassinenacif418 4 жыл бұрын
8:55 3-1 mm.... is 2, Yaeh don't worry I know that don't worry; Hhahaha
@wellpickup4186
@wellpickup4186 5 жыл бұрын
Hi bro I'm from Indian. I want to tell you that you are so good at math.. I just want to be like you
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
learn something with me thank you!!
@imperr0r723
@imperr0r723 3 жыл бұрын
Bprp
@ryanjagpal9457
@ryanjagpal9457 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah this makes no sense to me, the note equation thing and the !1, !2, !3 looks clapped
@mnnasimi
@mnnasimi 5 жыл бұрын
Sir could please solve (COS20+√3 SIN20)/COS40
@malignusvonbottershnike563
@malignusvonbottershnike563 3 жыл бұрын
Did you ever get an answer? Anyway lol, just turn cos(20) + sqrt(3)*sin(20) into one expression in the form R*sin(20+x), using trig addition formulae. That should come out to be 2*sin(20+30), which is 2*sin(50), but that also equals 2*cos(90-50) = 2*cos(40). So that divided by cos(40) is just equal to 2. Pretty neat!
@bandamkaromi
@bandamkaromi 5 жыл бұрын
Oh Dear!! lol n! vs !n #MerryChristmas #MathForFun #HappyMath
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
yup
@RJN0607
@RJN0607 3 жыл бұрын
This math major never heard of sub factorials. What is !0?
@LorddualDesigner
@LorddualDesigner 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry. Very boring. However, i like your videos. Gave like.
@mathsyt7267
@mathsyt7267 3 жыл бұрын
OMGOSH... JC maths didn’t even teach!!’nn
@Areejfz
@Areejfz 3 жыл бұрын
The answer is 9 because it was just behind you😁😅🤣 1:36
@saritanjay
@saritanjay 5 жыл бұрын
Hello sir can you make video on integral of x/e^x-1 please sir
@whatd0605
@whatd0605 3 жыл бұрын
I think !4 must mean 1*2*3*4 since it's the opposite of 4!
@MelomaniacEarth
@MelomaniacEarth 3 жыл бұрын
Shirt told the ANSWER idk whether correct or not😂😬
@saultube44
@saultube44 4 жыл бұрын
Never heard of Derangements nor !n, thank you for the lesson Math Master
@particleonazock2246
@particleonazock2246 3 жыл бұрын
Thumbnail reminds me of Mathologer.
@user-zx9em4cd7m
@user-zx9em4cd7m 3 жыл бұрын
Doraemon music in the backgrounds at the start lol
@luanascimento3794
@luanascimento3794 3 жыл бұрын
from where I come people would call it chaotic permutation
@serhiyovych_
@serhiyovych_ 3 жыл бұрын
I am drunk as fuck, I didn't understand a single word...
@shubham1999
@shubham1999 5 жыл бұрын
Sir, how to find inverse laplace of s?
@periyavarchinnavar492
@periyavarchinnavar492 2 жыл бұрын
!4=9 this thing written back on your shirt
@ethitlan
@ethitlan 3 жыл бұрын
Is that... is that Doraemon I hear at the beginning?
@petermaguire8139
@petermaguire8139 3 жыл бұрын
It seems each specific derangement of n items can be identified in either the !(n-1) or !(n-2) term depending on whether the exchange was a direct swap or not 0 in the MATH exapmle, AMHT, HTAM and THMA are all a result of direct swaps and are present in the !2 term of !4 = 3(!3 + !2) as 3(!2) = 3(1) = 3 i.e. 3 terms, with the other 6 terms being contained in the !3 part of the equation. However since !3 = 2(!2 + !1) it shows all terms are expressed by some expanded !2 term, with items expressed by larger !n implies a greater number of swaps occuring to reach that state - this seems like a trivial point but I wonder can this be related to disorder and degrees of freedom in a system.
@CarmenLC
@CarmenLC 3 жыл бұрын
wait… fibonacci? so how is phi related to 1/e?
@stumbling
@stumbling 5 жыл бұрын
What about !!n? I don't know if this is a real definition but to me this would be like a sudoku puzzle, where only derangements that are derangements of each other are accepted. For example, MATH AMHT THMA HTAM This looks cool but the operator would be trivial by this definition since, !!n = n.
@Behroozifyable
@Behroozifyable 5 жыл бұрын
Dear BlackandRedpen guy, I have a question on derrangement for you. There are 6 cups and 6 saucers. Each of the 6 has 2 white, 2 red, 2 orange. What is the probability that after a random arrangement no cup goes on top of the same colour saucer?
@aintgonnatakeit
@aintgonnatakeit Жыл бұрын
I have covid and I can't really do much. So listening to your videos has been a lifesaver. Thanks so much!
@victorkushnir8843
@victorkushnir8843 4 жыл бұрын
You can actually make it a little more simple. !n is basically a rounding up or down (depending on a parity of n ) of (n!/e) .....
@YorangeJuice
@YorangeJuice 3 жыл бұрын
Four tactforial, if you will
@DjVortex-w
@DjVortex-w 5 жыл бұрын
Whenever I participate in a secret santa, I always bring a gift that I wouldn't mind receiving myself, so it wouldn't actually suck if I get my own gift.
@sainathreddyvarikuti4835
@sainathreddyvarikuti4835 5 жыл бұрын
How to send question to u
@Titurel
@Titurel Жыл бұрын
I want that shirt though!
@rahulchowdhury7635
@rahulchowdhury7635 4 жыл бұрын
sir what is the answer of !0
@archieharrodine3925
@archieharrodine3925 3 жыл бұрын
This is really interesting... but what would subfactorial of a half be?
@reetjaiswal3950
@reetjaiswal3950 3 жыл бұрын
Actually sometimes after I buy a gift for someone I feel like keeping it for myself so it'd be great if it came back
@enerjae7174
@enerjae7174 5 жыл бұрын
I just cheated and used n!/e for !n
@DanNguyen-oc3xr
@DanNguyen-oc3xr 5 жыл бұрын
Wait, how does this work?
@subhrajyotidutta4725
@subhrajyotidutta4725 5 жыл бұрын
This only works if n tends to infinity
@DanNguyen-oc3xr
@DanNguyen-oc3xr 5 жыл бұрын
@@subhrajyotidutta4725 so the limit as n approaches to infinity of !n = the limit as n approaches to infinity of n!/e? Can you explain how you came up to this conclusion?
@enerjae7174
@enerjae7174 5 жыл бұрын
@@DanNguyen-oc3xr Basically, if you were to divide !n by n! you'd get a value that approaches 1/e as n increases, which is why I divided 24 by e to get !4. I believe for all whole numbers that are 3 or greater, you can divide by e and the answer will be the closest whole number.
@shambosaha9727
@shambosaha9727 5 жыл бұрын
@@DanNguyen-oc3xr In combinatorics, there is a principle called the Inclusion-Exclusion Principle, you can look it up. Using this principle, one can find that !n = n! (1/0! - 1/1! +1/2! -1/3! +...+(-1)^n * 1/n!) A value that approaches n!/e as n get larger and larger, which can be proved by Taylor series.
@wahyuadi35
@wahyuadi35 5 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in joining in brilliant.org, but it costs some money. :(
@stumbling
@stumbling 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like this should be called "exchange factor".
@giansieger8687
@giansieger8687 3 жыл бұрын
is there an explicit formula for the subfactorial?
@ampisiades
@ampisiades 3 жыл бұрын
!Nice watch
@Supreme-oq8ii
@Supreme-oq8ii 3 жыл бұрын
Beard where😱
@aintgonnatakeit
@aintgonnatakeit Жыл бұрын
7:50 hahaha
@jakolu
@jakolu 5 жыл бұрын
With only 4 people, there's a 15/24=62.5% chance of at least one person getting their own gift back...
@Flourish38
@Flourish38 5 жыл бұрын
yeah I guess you could calculate the odds of that happening by doing (n! - !n)/(n!)
@sagarmaindola
@sagarmaindola 3 жыл бұрын
Doraemon
@JPL454
@JPL454 3 жыл бұрын
Wow
@wpbn5613
@wpbn5613 5 жыл бұрын
this recursive formula also works for normal factorials
@yegorgorodzha9921
@yegorgorodzha9921 10 ай бұрын
Yes! And only the initial condition !1=0 makes it go in a different direction
@robotkarel
@robotkarel 2 жыл бұрын
148349
@khajiit92
@khajiit92 5 жыл бұрын
is this unlisted on purpose?
@DjVortex-w
@DjVortex-w 5 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it's a mistake.
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 5 жыл бұрын
WarpRulez No. I just want to space out the uploads.
@windywinend586
@windywinend586 3 жыл бұрын
!4!
@admink8662
@admink8662 5 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to get x! = !x?
@subhrajyotidutta4725
@subhrajyotidutta4725 5 жыл бұрын
Yes
@skalderman
@skalderman 5 жыл бұрын
0 it is
@noahniederklein8081
@noahniederklein8081 3 жыл бұрын
Dang this is actually cool!
@hopp2184
@hopp2184 5 жыл бұрын
Hey blackpenredpen, I have a video idea about recursion. For every iteration a(n)=k*a(n-1)+c Find the explicit form of a(n) :)
@funkyflames7430
@funkyflames7430 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, that is easy man. a(n) = (k^n)* a(0) + c((1 - k^n)/(1 - k)) Where a(0) is the 0th term You can look up iterative functions on wikipedia and find loads of info
@kingdagat9642
@kingdagat9642 3 жыл бұрын
In my knowledge based on my engineering colleagues, we solve !n by n!/e , is this acceptable?
@elietheprof5678
@elietheprof5678 3 жыл бұрын
Seems close enough, someone could maybe devise a proof of how the two converge? Idk
@That_One_Guy...
@That_One_Guy... 3 жыл бұрын
I think it might have to do with the integral definition of n! and of course !n
@lorexcod
@lorexcod 3 жыл бұрын
Can !0 exist?
@swenji9113
@swenji9113 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, it is 1. The only permutation of a trivial set happens to be a derangement. Indeed, there is no element so no element can be sent to itself
@gnikola2013
@gnikola2013 5 жыл бұрын
Oh boi, I do love Hmats!
@susilxavier7675
@susilxavier7675 5 жыл бұрын
I find the answer at 1:37
@msolec2000
@msolec2000 5 жыл бұрын
Ouch, my ears...
@philipjohnregala339
@philipjohnregala339 5 жыл бұрын
Can you please integrate from 0 to + infinity (1-a)a^x dx = 1 what would be the value of a? it's been a year now, I'm still messing with this problem. Thanks a lot!
@anankelpis
@anankelpis 5 жыл бұрын
As (1-a) is a constant, you can just write it outside of the integral. The integral of a^x dx then evaluates to a^x/ln(a). Plugging in the bounds you get 1/ln(a)(a^inf - 1). As your integral must not diverge, we can conclude a < 1. Then a^inf tends to 0. The whole equation simplifies to ln(a) - a + 1 = 0, which has the obvious solution a = 1. Other solutions do not exist, which you can verify by the following: Let f(a) = ln(a) - a + 1. Then f'(a) = 1/a - 1. Thus, the function has a maximum for a = 1. Furthermore, f''(a) = -1/a^2, thus the function is concave everywhere. Unfortunately, a = 1 is not a solution of your integral equation. Thus, it has no real solutions. You might want to try finding imaginary solutions with f(a) = 0 and Re(ln(a)) < 0, which I am not an expert in. I hope I could help.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 5 жыл бұрын
Stefan Albrecht How does the equation simplify to ln(a) - a + 1 from the premise that a < 1? 1/ln(a)*(a^Inf - 1) = 1 with a < 1 implies 1/ln(a)*(-1) = 1. Multiplying each side by ln(a) (which we can do, since a priori we know a cannot be 1 because the original integral does not work) gives ln(a) = -1. This then has a = 1/e, and (1 - 1/e)*1/e^x = e^(-x) - e^(-x+1). e^-x integrated from 0 to positive infinity is -e^-Inf - -e^0 = 0 + 1 = 1, while the second integral is simply 1/e. This does not subtract to 1, so I think this is a much easier proof that there is no real solution. For complex solutions, we simply note that a^Inf - 1 = ln(a) = ln |a| + i arg z. On the other hand, a^b, where is complex, = e^(b ln a) = e^(b ln |a|)*(cos(b arg a) + i sin(b arg a)). Now, the exponential will converge with |a| < 1 as b -> infinity. Now, we already disconfirmed arg a = 0, because we showed no positive real solutions exist. However, for any other arg a, the limit does not exist for the expression above. Therefore, there are no complex solutions.
@anankelpis
@anankelpis 5 жыл бұрын
@@angelmendez-rivera351 I think you have forgotten the factor of (1-a) that the original integral contains. It is (1 - a) * Integral a^x dx = 1/ (a^inf - 1)/ln(a) = 1/(1-a) 0 = 1 + ln(a)/(1-a) = (1-a+ln(a))/(1-a) and with a not equal to 1 this gives 0 = 1 - a + ln(a)
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 5 жыл бұрын
Stefan Albrecht I see, understood.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 5 жыл бұрын
Stefan Albrecht In such a case, then it is easy to see why we should restrict ourselves to Re(log(a)) < 0 since we already know that a^Infinite only converges for |a| < 1, and the case of |a| = 1 was already discarded. Namely, log(a) = log|a| + i arg a, so Re(log(a)) < 0 implies log |a| < 0, which implies 0 < |a| < 1. As for f(a) = log(a) - a + 1, we know the complex logarithm, so we can substitute as log |a| + i arg a - Re(a) - i Im(a) + 1 = [log |a| - Re(a) + 1] + i[arg a - Im(a)] = 0. From here, we must proceed to solve 2 independent equations, log |a| - Re(a) + 1 = 0 and arg a - Im(a) = 0. I’ll post a new comment when I find the way to continue solving the problem.
@jcmc3445
@jcmc3445 5 жыл бұрын
the ending was epic! :)
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