Submarine Devblog - This Reeks Of Desperation

[@Flamuu]

So, which dev is more out of touch? twitter.com/flamuchz/status/1579877560451706881

[@UnknownRex]

Hard to say, but I think Wargaming. That post about subs was next level bullshit. At least EA's post is just thinly veiled greed.

[@Dysphoricsmile]

WG is so goddamned stupid.... Screw this game seriously.

[@stevelopez6451]

Lets all take a break a long ass break ...60% i might not return I'll still watch your vids though

[@stussy89gt]

I have played since the beginning and cv rework made playin not as much as fun then just finally quit when subs became a thing. Cant do anything against them if someone isnt a total potato

[@UnknownRex]

@@stussy89gt I agree, I played beta and first year as well. Was a pretty fun time over all imo. Actual ships shooting and fighting other ships!

[@qkffn5118]

Honestly. Weegee is completely right in this case. Subs increase game diversity. I have tried so many different new games ever since this game has gone to shit.

[@zeerk2466]

they had us in the first half ngl

[@wtpiv6041]

Same here. Every time I try to play every few months I can’t bring myself to hit the battle button anymore. Oh well.

[@Ima9ineBreak3r]

lol well said

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

hahahaha

[@AudioPhil84]

man i am watching vids from time to time, stopped playing after carrier rework and seems like things just go south

[@lukefoster726]

“We needed to move on” which means subs aren’t ready, and they’re just throwing them in

[@atpyro7920]

or “management wants them out this quarter come hell or high water.”

[@stefanpajung113]

They want to push hybrids instead 🙄

[@stc3145]

«We cant be bothered at this point»

[@SaiIor_Moon]

I told'em they weren't ready!! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Gunni1972]

Sounds like the excuse for the Relationship between WG and The Player base being in divorce.

[@akane.sakurada]

10:50 I fucking love how WGs only "proof" is just 3 bars. Absolutely no data and how it was collected, not what the numbers mean, not any new information. It might actually be a cropped "Amount of people who drink vodka, coffee and tea at the office" graph and no one would know because it's all edited out.

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

indeed they are not even showing the inglorious spreadsheet hahaah

[@guidobolke5618]

I guess the numbers are the result of a player referendum

[@SaiIor_Moon]

​@@guidobolke5618 Ha ha, I get the reference ;P

[@grimmshredsanguinus2915]

@@guidobolke5618 "silent majority"

[@Gunni1972]

If you effing Know your Ship after 1-5 Games, there cannot be much Intricacy in this class.

[@donaldfarquar]

I recently found a historical document of a Soviet WW2 battleship. It can go 50 knots, has a tactical nuclear launcher. 20 30inch rail guns with unlimited range, and 100 15 inch secondarys. Displaces 200, 000 tons, 2000mm armour all over and 100% torpedo procetion on 90% of the ship. It doesn't have any AA. Some say I drew it when I was 5, however I believe it was a soviet design from WW2. I've forwarded to wargamming.

[@Hydra360ci]

...and unlimited Damage Cons? (probably, the only time there is no Russian Bias... homing torp wise)

[@FreeBoulders]

this comment is genius

[@Jess-dg6wo]

I think they also have depleted uranium armor man I remember reading that while I'm in hell

[@tomsmithie3917]

That ship? The USSRS Putin.

[@MrPixie93]

(softly) Don't.

[@dressydressy6246]

This dev blog had one sole objective. It’s only purpose was to reassure the players out there who like playing subs that they’re here to stay. This way WG can get them to buy their premium ships without having to worry about subs being removed from the game.

[@dressydressy6246]

@@Chadekaful My post was about premium submarines. WG needs to reassure premium submarine buyers that their expenensive purchases will remain unchanged regardless of player outrage.

[@illegalopinions4082]

@@Chadekaful They've been removed from the shop, after a sufficient amount of purchases were made. Not from the game

[@jusblazed1ful]

The reason WeeGee won't add a dedicated game mode specifically for subs is because they know, when they see nobody playing it will prove without a shadow of a doubt, they were wrong in not listening to the player base.

[@Hydra360ci]

...and all that map reworking manhours of the seabed... just going to waste.

[@Swarm509]

The sad thing is that a dedicated mode would of been best for the subs, they could balance them and specific surface ships correctly. How cool would it be to have a sub mode with AI convoys, player driven corvette escorts, and player driven subs that play well together in a arcade but realism light way?

[@SaiIor_Moon]

*Wargaming is literally AWARE of ALL the issues we are having with subs.* They literally listed like *ALL* of them in the dev blog (too high speed, shotgunning, sub vs sub combat/guaranteed detection removal, ALL the things) but they literally are like *"Nahhh, it'll be fine".* *Seriously, how far removed is Wargaming from its own game and playerbase at this point?!?!* 🤣

[@Lunar137]

This. *All of this.*

[@PitchBlackYeti]

I recently watched a MIG-9 video from Paper Skies and how there were numerous problems with the aircraft and yet the Soviet Party said "It'll be fine" every time. Some things never change...

[@lubossoltes321]

The tragic part is, they name all the issues because WE told them about them, but they do NOT understand why they are issues and what to do about them. Or don't want to.

[@faynk.6247]

@@lubossoltes321 I think they know but the Russian mentality at WG refused to believed that they make a blunder and try to shove a square box to a triangle hole no matter how many people tell them it won’t fit in

[@Hydra360ci]

Hey... that's 'Critical Drinker's' catch phrase.

[@Con9359]

"So we realised nobody likes subs and they dont fit into the game" "but...." "MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY"

[@leisureshoot]

Every time I get ambushed by a sub, with absolutely no counterplay, I pretty much shut down the game and walk away. A little longer each time. Eventually it will be forever. I love this game overall. I've been playing since alpha. Likely not much longer.

[@Schimml0rd]

Try warthunder naval, it's miles ahead

[@EvoraGT430]

This is exactly what we're trying to tell the idiots at WG; subs will kill the game (coming on top of reworked CVs).

[@illegalopinions4082]

The fact it took this absolute schlong to the face to even consider walking away is why they've gotten so comfortable doing it

[@faynk.6247]

@@Schimml0rd the grind and repair cost for vehicle just make me stay far away from warthunder.

[@Aydenn_1k]

I like how they say that you should predict where sub is, but later they say that the point of subs is to attack from unusual positions lmao, nice one wg

[@Schimml0rd]

Special subnautical operation :>

[@shortbusbillsfan8609]

I wish they would just monitor in game chat when everyone spawns in and and says thank God there no subs or cv's in this match and everyone.

[@stefanpajung113]

Vocal minority, btw.

[@randomd286]

They did something like that with CV's so they could ban people for hating on them lol

[@Clefairy4007]

As if they play their own game 🤣

[@matthewevans6502]

On one of the earlier DevBlog updates on subs, they addressed the complaint of less surface ships to shoot and interact with. They said their fact sheets indicated all other ship types really enjoyed dropping depth charges. I made a post mocking them for it on Reddit and they emailed me within hours asking / threatening me to take it down. They didn't bother responding to any of my questions or points, but they evidently have many employees whose sole purpose it is to troll forums, downvote/report criticism, and shill out praise when needed. All of their money and time and effort isn't working and everyone still hates subs. With all that time and manpower they could have come up with several really awesome WW2 convoy scenarios and battle modes in which we would absolutely love. We need more diversity in game modes, not more diversity by stuffing 500+ ships into random 12 v 12, 20 minute long battles between individual ships. This is a WW2 era naval warfare game and it blows my mind that we don't have a single historical battle scenario. WG, if you're reading this, I promise that I and many thousands of other players will ecstatically start playing and paying again if you use your incredible platform for historical battle scenarios including leaving subs to the only part of naval warfare history to which they were relevant - preying on convoys.

[@matthewevans6502]

@Bumfluff Addlepate Agreed - it is so frustrating. If they reallocated the resources that go towards making dozens of new fake and fictional ships they would have been able to build an entire WW2 campaign series of battles. Creating new modes like the Halloween stuff and the various weird future alien ship stuff, takes a LOT more work than designing a historical battle scenario. They don't even need to come up with new ship designs, animations, armament physics and graphics, etc. they just use the existing ships in the game. Even reusing some of their existing maps would be fine, we don't need a rock-by-rock recreation of Leyte Gulf to enjoy a historical battle scenario there.

[@zobayer1]

When WG say their stats show bla bla, they expect you to take them at their face value. OMG WG said the stats are fine, it must be fine.

[@Swarm509]

Good job with the Chieftain clip, I remember that from back in the day. Amazing what a bit of common sense from a man who tells it as it is. Funny enough I recall with the shotgun/spotting issues I was next to a bb in my cruiser and was worried about torps from a distant DD and cruiser so hit my hydro for us.... and suddenly I was on top of a sub 2km away. He was last spotted across the map early in the game and spent the rest of cross it, undetected, and then snuck right up to the friendly BB ready to shotgun him. I dropped depth charges directly on it, not killing him it took multiple ships dropping to do that, and after messaged that he was moments away from killing us both and wondered how I knew he was there. All we are going to see is stealth subs shot gunning players, or stealth subs pinging over and over, and waves of torps curving into ships that cannot maneuver hard enough to avoid them. While I still play the game I play as much as possible in modes that don't have subs in them, but I do know people who have just walked away from the game because of them and super ships (and CV's/spotting issues).

[@pantsrconspiracy3816]

"if a player has researched or purchased a ship, they should be able to play it in the types of battles they want to..." What if the type of battle someone wants to play their surface ship (that they researched or purchased) is a battle with no submarines? Wargaming, one day you guys will be able to rub two brain cells together, today is not that day...

[@stefanpajung113]

If I could give you 10 thumbs up, I would. Spot on.

[@nomdeguerre7265]

How about if the type of game I want is one without subs? How is it 'diversity' for every mode to be griefing SOS.

[@Sira_Kackavalj]

They are not out of touch with the community, they've gone the full circle around and are in touch with the community. They know that no matter how much horseshit they do, they are fully aware of the fact that people will gladly give them money

[@rokko1020]

id love a live stream of the devs where they have to watch this very video for the first time. see their reactions and attempts to explain this shitshow

[@Luvr-wv9hv]

I love how WeeGee pulls the "Historic" or "Reality" card when it suits them, but when the players bring it up WeeGee says that this is an arcade game, not a simulator! KEKW!

[@volknetai.3690]

Super realistic when some dutch ships can call 36 ground-base bomber from ISS and using only 12 second to reach target

[@Con5tantine]

Submarines in World of Warships: A Study in the Sunk-Cost Fallacy

[@markpeterson1819]

They could always add a button that says "random (no Subs)" beside the "random" button and see which gets pushed more. So those that don't want them are happy and those that do are happy. Problem solved. Also I want torpedoes on my USS Texas since it came with them.

[@Flt.Hawkeye]

That would Show them that the players absolutely dont want to have subs in their Game.

[@markpeterson1819]

@@Flt.Hawkeye Would it? Oh I never thought of that ! :)

[@Flt.Hawkeye]

@@markpeterson1819 just wanted to say that's the reason they'll never do it

[@markpeterson1819]

@@Flt.Hawkeye Yep, I know. Just frustrated and venting the only way I know how.

[@Flt.Hawkeye]

@@markpeterson1819 wow you must be a great person venting on people on the internet

[@HighCalibr]

And the BEST part about this entire thing is that halfway through the video I got an ad for WOWS where the ad was *literally* a U2501 shotgunning a Shima. They're blind

[@randomd286]

I had thousands of hours and, embarrassingly, even more money money into this game. I was hoping that eventually they would sell enough CV's that they would be willing to fix them. With subs being added I gave up hope. In truth the game we loved is gone now O7.

[@jsr9617]

"Damage is just one of the ways to interact with the enemy." This line. The pure verbal gymnastics you have to go through to justify their dumb decisions...

[@tommihommi1]

World of sunken cost fallacy

[@pyalot]

If you look at Okhotniks model in WoWs, there are tracks running the length of the aft deck up to the stern where they terminate at two gaps in the railing…. almost as if something was meant to be loaded on bogies, rolled to the stern and be dumped overboard. I wonder what that could be… 🤨

[@Schimml0rd]

Bro but that wouldnt let subs do what they were designed to do - obliterate surface vessels without reprisal

[@pyalot]

@@Schimml0rd of course, forgot how WoWs is designed to cater to the biggest possible potato, to breed an even bigger potato. I wonder how they will top it after subs, seems inconceivable, but where there are bigger potatoes, WG will find a way. Coastal batteries with auto aim/shoot/repair/AWS and CIWS to shoot down incomming shells, go to battle and leave the computer, 10/10 perfect game design.

[@HalcyonSkies]

Subs are basically like, if in real life someone came up to you, beat you up and took all your stuff, said they'd do it again the next day, and the police just said "Call us the next time it happens." And thats all they ever say.

[@demete1230]

It's incredible how the whole devblog is just Player: "How do you address this is issue?" Wargaming: "There is no issue."

[@jeebus022]

Wow, subs came out in random almost a year ago? That's how long it's been since I last played random. Co-ops, scenarios, hell even the sandbox battles...that's all I play. Haven't spent a dime on this game since the 2020 santa event.

[@TacgnolSimulacrum]

my friends "Why don't you play WoWs anymore?" Me: *links this video*

[@alanwilliams4443]

And when the Soviet SS line comes out, the T8 will be a Foxtrot class and the T10 will be a Kilo class

[@b0nkeror452]

And the super sub will have nuclear weapons

[@hippityhoppityyourchildiso8803]

nonononononono don't give them ideas

[@mrdoge9508]

Only a Kilo? Nah, of course it's going to be an Alfa zooming around at 55kts (it needs to be faster for 'gAmEpLaY pUrPoSeS') underwater while immune to detection.

[@Mario-kf3ej]

@@mrdoge9508 dont forget that it must launch ICBMs at WW1 ships for "gameplay purposes"

[@alanwilliams4443]

@@mrdoge9508 Naw, Alfa be the T11 supersub

[@waffle3632]

If they truly want to add subs then need to give all ships both forms of asw, increase the max asw range to 14km for all ships and ship types. Fix hydro so it's max sub detect is 6km at tier 10. Allow RPF to locate a sub regardless of depth. And give a proximity warning that varies depending on how close a sub is to you. That will make it more of a cat and mouse gameplay style similar to dds.

[@Gunni1972]

How long does a Musashi turret take to turn? How far away can a sub just drive by to outmaneuver the turrets? what "reaction time" is necessary to "counter" the threat? Questions, WG. Questions.

[@pete7872]

Stopped giving WG money a year ago, stopped playing entirely a month ago, I've diversified my gameplay and started playing anything else but WOW's :) Gameplay diversification objective complete, well done WG.

[@jakoblekse3811]

Next dev blog: a new soviet super sub with supercavitating torps

[@Hydra360ci]

...and a Sub with Battleship guns that can launch skip bomb planes.

[@cactuslietuva]

300 knots torpedoes confirmed

[@Gunni1972]

There is always the I-400. A Submarine, that launches 3 AP-Bombers. for the Japanese.

[@nicholasd.6515]

Having watched this all I'll say is, Flamu, you're literally one of the best things to ever happen in our community. An angel. Even if your commentary falls on deaf ears, the fact you still care about what's right, stand up for it and don't hold back from expressing it , it means a lot. Much love to you, please never change.

[@taramallison]

Give players a selection button that allows them to deselect subs and CVs in their random battle matchmaking and see what happens to subs and CVs.

[@stefanpajung113]

Subs will be playing against subs and CV's only. Griefers among themselves. Let's see how they will enjoy that.

[@AstonSubstantive]

It's simple, we enjoyed the game for its gameplay, and subs made the gameplay completely different; different in a way that wouldn't have made us want to play the game in the first place.

[@FlyingDutchmanVideos]

I just don't get WG's weirdness about Dutch cruisers and ASW. Calling a flight of bombers is not all that different from calling in a couple of ASW planes, but somehow we're to believe that's impossible and the best we can hope for is a couple of DC racks on the stern. Even if it can't be done with the Fokker T.V (which never existed in the numbers portrayed in-game anyway), the Netherlands operated the Catalina, as well as the B-25, so WG could just reuse those models.

[@DecepticonBruticus]

so many things they could have added, but nah, we totally need subs... instead of things that don't get any attention from ANY game, like battleship TOSA, Kaga's sister ship Edit: also, for some reason VENEZIA gets depth charges, not depth charge airstrikes, makes no sense

[@krispycool1]

when I close my eyes really tight and put my hands over my ears I feel like a Wargaming developer

[@charlesandrews8680]

Thanks for the video, I am done feeding WG. I will only show up for special events, otherwise, it is not worth it. Subs put a bad taste in my mouth, you cannot counter and the shotgunning of torps is insane. Keep up the excellent work Flamu, I will always watch your videos.

[@EvLSpectre]

Just make it so sub torps do not arm unless they travel 3km.

[@christophercummings1435]

well if they want to even the playing field all destroyers should get sonar to detect them with ease

[@MihaiD259]

Next step for the game: release WOWs Classic in the state right before the CV rework update.🤣

[@jameslane2326]

It worked for world of warcraft

[@stefanpajung113]

See the entire playbase flock to that mode, leaving current wows playerless.

[@ninny9943]

Why din´t they buff Massachusetts B too have more than 5km ASW range I just dont get it

[@garyjones9023]

Comrades, WG devblog is right as always! Players have learned a SIMPLE MANUEVER that protects their ships against subs. All you have to do is stay in port behind the torpedo nets and not play the game. So simple, so easy, so effective!

[@Autumnal_Reaper]

Who needs reality tv when we have this top tier drama 🎭 and new episodes daily

[@alexanderwilcox8275]

“Increase game divestiture” *took away my secondary build cruisers, only one viable build for a majority of BBs, pushing/brawling BBs get decimated by planes, fires, and now subs, maps are drip fed, new operations don’t exist, unique skins don’t exist for newer ships unless you grind hard, lower tier newer ships are dogshit unless it’s the tier 10 of the tech line* ✨diversity✨

[@colmcorbec7031]

Flamu adding even more spicy diversity :D

[@gerokron3412]

I´d love to read a theather review from Flolo. His hatchet jobs are awesome!

[@SaiIor_Moon]

"Game Diversity" Ah yes, like losing secondary builds for cruisers and effective AA builds for battleships. Such diversity, much wow. 🤦‍♀️

[@jack_blacksplaque8022]

I had recently tried to get back in to the game (after not playing for 2 or 3 years because of computer problems), it was one of my favourites to play before, I unfortunately I think I will be getting off this game again, but not because of my computer, but because of recent WG decisions. I might come back to the game in a couple of years, but now its watching Jingles and Flamu for me again

[@Straswa]

Great vid Flamu, you hit the nail right on the head. WG is so out of touch with the playerbase and this is further proof.

[@r.is.c9402]

Guys they clearly play the game. In fact they are so good that we don’t know even know what they mean by “simple maneuver.”

[@yhormthemidget]

If the ship was built and it had no ASW we did not give it to them. Oh my bad, I totally forgot Iowa's eldritch portal technology that could spawn ASW planes from the Nth dimension. Shit was advanced yo.

[@TallulahSoie]

Never thought WG would pull the "Diversity is our strength card."

[@giovybez8061]

I played World of Warships for 5 straight years. During that time I played no other game and I invested thousands of dollars in game content for myself and my friends. During this time, I tolerated many poorly implemented game changes, including various unpopular reworks. Yet I kept on playing because I really loved the game. However, the addition of subs was what finally broke the camel's back. Every night I was angry and frustrated because of the sub situation. I'd often go to the forums and see other players who were just as frustrated. It wasn't just me not having fun because of it and I decided to walk away from the game.

[@thomasembleton1467]

Idea for subs counter asw aircraft with homing torps! Deploys a neptune or a Shackleton with a full payload of homing ASW torps!

[@raw7576]

Can't wait for the sub to be introduced with incredible AA as it's gimmick. AA that's better than any surface ship loaded with AA on its deck that can't shoot down any planes. Lol what a joke

[@underviv64]

We should make a pinned comment for players that quit the game for WG decisions

[@achtungtube]

Flamu, i’m grateful for these devblogs for this incredible content lmao

[@gizzync1525]

Since they went live . i've bearly switched it on & i was a guy who played daily.

[@serve_xt4298]

What WG doesn't understand, if shotgunning is a problem now, it's gonna get worse, not better.

[@MechFrankaTLieu]

so why should a DD go hunt sub, its not going to be able to do more damage, its got the worst of homing torp lock ( will not unlock until already too late and too close ) , good work, WG just state it DD is not the mean to go ASW

[@lennardgroenenberg122]

maybe add an option for ships to jump when you press spacebar to evade torps

[@stefanpajung113]

That will literally be when the game jumps the shark.

[@pharaohhaytham]

If I can summarize this dev blog it will be like this " Wargaming giving players the finger _I_"

[@iqcool]

This is it, the concept of Flamu's last ever WoWS stream+vod: Flamu gets into the game and plays a few games in subs, making a list along the way of notes about their game play. Then, after making a good list of questions about the subs with chat's help, he hops into this devblog to compare WGs analysis of subs with his and the community's view. Then, after this awful comparison, he goes and deletes the game forever, becoming a decently popular variety streamer.

[@Ajr5691]

This seems like one of the instances where it's not rage for content - its genuine anger at an incompetent development team

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

At a malicious development team. Never attribute to incompetence what can be consistently attributed to malice.

[@Ajr5691]

@@hyperdimensionbliss true

[@Endraken]

My entire clan decided to play another game last night spontaneously. Die hard players and whales just noping out all at once. 50 plus players who spent a metric ton of money. Done.

[@cactuslietuva]

Well WG made money, they dont care

[@popefang]

@@cactuslietuva and now their wallets are closed

[@nabusvco]

This whole devblog reads: "Please ignore the issues and play the game, also pls give us more money before you quit"

[@Anonihmus2567]

Diversity isn't synonymous with good or great it just means diverse

[@alexanderjack1]

The graph, 10:10 does not even add up to a 100% lol, no titles, no axes. Is this a "multimillion" dollar company?

[@Hydra360ci]

Do u remember that clip of you chasing the sub is from arms race too? Need a better, example; than a game mode that (in my opinion...) is less fun than epicenter ever was...( thanks to the constant steamrolls.) 57:00 Funny that shooting down ship planes doesn't count for planes shotdown... too. When they used to... not even shooting down dutch planes counts towards the plane count and I guess bonus XP.

[@ThePeperich]

The only thing stable and great in WoWs -> Flamu WG already forgot what the basic idea of „stone-paper-scissors“ is; in modern words: balancing. About the first big CV rework (removal of strategic/top view) it went away. Thank you, Flamu, for your thoughts and kind words *twinker twinker - at least WG helps you to find new ways of explaning weirdness and make a living from. Keep up your great work, Pepe

[@Alexyrion]

The moment I finished reading this awful devblog post I could only think, MAN, I cannot wait for flamu to tear a new one on this, and here we are lmao.

[@zedburg]

With "ships only being used in Their own gamemode" not like they made these Halloween, Space, and High-tech ships, for their own gamemode, and players loved them. One example was, the first implementation of subs, the Halloween Submarine one.

[@SallinKari]

19:27 Okay... and all the ships with forward firing ASW? The USA AAA? All the dedicated anti-aircraft cruisers having basically no AA? You don't want to open the 'according to history' argument Wargaming.

[@henriwahl4709]

So i can play tier 2 Emden in clanbattle soon?

[@GeneralHaha1]

Just yesterday I played a game with Pensacola where our team was completely deadlocked in one flank by a single sub (which also capped the point in that side because no one was able to spot it on the surface). No destroyers were in that game because matchmaking spreadsheet decides so and the only ship with hydro was shotgunned by said sub. It took me in the Pensacola to move closer than shotgun range, the sub being complete pepega and 3 ships worth of ASW airstrike to pinpoint its location and sink it. The subtotal of that SoB being spotted was ONCE, and it wasn't even spotted when I sunk it. Meanwhile our team paid for that kill with a cruiser, a battleship, and literally 99% of my own HP. "We have to move on" my ass.

[@nomdeguerre7265]

Just read that back to them: "we have to move on".

[@bradsowden6735]

I know there are a lot of other points to shit on in this dev blog (just about the whole fucking blog), but man when they said they removed proxy detection from Sub vs Sub gameplay and are looking into solving the problem, that shit was fucking hilarious. WG: "We just removed the solution to a problem. Now we are looking for a solution to this problem" lmao.

[@atago6603]

Can’t wait to see Flolo’s reaction to the I-400 super submarine being added

[@rakanishus]

WG about fighting subs: "But if there is no direct way to do damage, it is worth relying on allied support and using other countermeasures." - WG later in that same blog: "It was also impossible to quickly get out of the fight due to the limited maneuverability of submarines. As a result, two options were left: either ram the enemy submarine or wait for help from allies. So it was decided to disable the guaranteed detection." Some classes are more equal than others.

[@Vpaid]

This is the purest example of an organization confusing volume of communication with quality of communication.

[@joeyguo6988]

The I class IJN premiun is cancer. I gun down an Atago with it and the Atago can do nothing about it.

[@FlimsyLunchTray]

WG: "The main purpose of adding submarines to the game is to diversify the game experience." 👀 Let me rewrite that for you... WG actually: "The main purpose of adding submarines to the game is to have more content in which we can monetize thus adding a new ship type allows us to increase our earnings through selling premium submarines, early access to submarine nations, submarine loot crates and submarine oriented temporary events."

[@Hydra360ci]

And selling subs with user controlled guns...

[@jirving24]

The best is the wowsplaining voice!!! I love it . . . .

[@thefiskgoose9266]

Yay dutch cruiser depth charges :D ... because it will matter when i cant even spot the bastard

[@warsmithandrath449]

Love the quote around the 12 minute mark :"if a player has researched or purchased a ship, they be able to play it the the types of battles they want to". Yah, I don't want to be loosing credits every god damn match (as a co-op that dips my toes into operations) just to play my Hannover....

[@wun1gee]

"We make the ships as historically accurate as we can to the best of our ability" Meanwhile, the Sodak20s and Constellation don't get their historical guns and wargaming constantly just forgets that the 16"/50 Mk I and Mk II existed and were produced in numbers for the Sodak20s and Lexingtons. But how about those laughably-stupid fantasy Soviet uber-velocity guns that had not a snowball's chance in hell of actually performing to spec?

[@davidsherlock5528]

That player perception chart is the most nauseatingly cherry-scented thing I've seen in a long time.

[@GrasshopperKelly]

Forrest was designed and built for 2 main purposes, and basically these purposes only: AA and ASW... the fact said AA armament worked on surface targets was surplus to requirements... So why doesn't she get the DC Mod.1 built in, like the British get Prop Mod. built in?!

[@Mithril_Antimarr]

biggest anti sub prob is that airstrike depth charges generally have much smaller range than sub torpedoes so subs can strike surface ships outside the range that surface ships can retaliate back

[@jaywerner8415]

The only question I have for Wargaming is wtf can,t hydroacustic search detect submarines? It can pick up SHIPS and TORPEDOS but not A GOD DAME SUB? You know the thing it was actually used for!

[@BPKPhoenix]

You know that scene in Ratatouli where Linguini fucks up and spills like half a whole ass pot of soup and starts throwing random shit in there to "fix" the problem? That's WeeGee right here. "FUCK IT, THROW IT ALL IN THERE, WHAT COULD GO WRONG?"

[@nomdeguerre7265]

Is fleeing anything they regularly appear in the same thing as "getting used to"? Just wondering....

[@Screwvyfish]

I don't remember the last time I attempted to play this silly sub class. I have made sure not to participate in the current sub event. This game doesn't need subs in the random or ranked queues. Maybe they can find a place in some pve content or special events, but in the core of the game never.

[@mikestion4629]

Weej: "There will be no submarines." Weej: [snorts coke]

[@RomanAmirdzhanov]

43:57 am i the only one who misheard it for "where was the f***ing clit" and then giggled like an idiot? xD

[@Derguz]

Submarines and CV rework actually diversified the gameplay experience.. Usually I just felt I had shitty teammates - now I sometimes feel I played a shitty game and has a strange sense of survivor bias to other players. EDIT: But Flamu I don't agree that there isn't a counterplay to subs... There is: Diversify your gaming experience and go play something else. EDIT II: Flamu getting a beer and.... and I just have to get one as well because this is weird shit.. this is really weird shit..

[@apertureemployee215]

I'd suggest moving over to Ultimate Admiral Dreadnoughts but that, ironically, is also adding subs in its next major update

[@jameson1239]

That’s also a single player game