Sudoku & Music with Mark!

[@debrabowen4276]

I’m a lifelong Christian, and have never felt that anyone on this channel mocked anyone’s religion. The channel is definitely secular, but that is no crime. It is instead, especially inclusive and wholesome. A real breath of fresh air and a lovely place to spend some quality time!

[@emilywilliams3237]

I agree entirely.

[@PaulMarxMedia]

What an amazing Christmas gift to discover that you featured my puzzle! This means so much to me. And you did a fantastic job with the music part too, Mark. Merry Christmas to all of you, and thank you for all the kind comments!

[@kathyjohnson2043]

Great puzzle! Of course it didn't hurt that I'm a professional musician🎶 Glad I learned about your channel as well.

[@timcotton1782]

A beautiful puzzle. Not difficult by the standards of the crazy stuff this channel presents, but exquisite in form and execution. I cannot imagine turning the concept into a quality functional grid. A true joy, well done.

[@huxflax]

I love the puzzle, and the little puzzle within the puzzle to figure out the sequence. Thank you and merry christmas! 🎄⭐️

[@emilywilliams3237]

This was very fun, an interesting concept in coming up with a good number of given digits for those of us who "got it" quickly, and for others, another dimension of the puzzle to be solved. I enjoyed solving it, and I enjoyed your piano-playing, Mark. I am reminded of a line from Pride and Prejudice, where Lady Catherine said, speaking of playing the piano, "I would have been a great proficient if I had ever learnt." There you go! Thanks for this video (and don't let the complainers get you down - this was well-worth the position in the CtC catalogue).

[@timcotton1782]

Mark, permit me to speak plainly. As a Bible teacher and unwavering Christian, I can think of no moment where either you or Simon have given me reason to imagine that you held any negative opinion whatsoever of Christianity. Being thorough, I can think of no moment where either of you have given me reason to presume that you are believers. The one thing I can be certain of, is that you are both eminently decent gentlemen, humble and kind in your behavior on display. It is exceptionally wise, given the mode of your channel, that you provide no cause for anyone to be turned away from what you are doing. Carry on my friend.

[@Orenotter]

Merry Christmas to all, spoke and wrote. I love this grid with it's big note. Mark has got smarts a-plenty, Took him seven and twenty, Thus proving that Mark is the G.O.A.T. Don't tell Simon I said that.

[@emilywilliams3237]

Excellent!

[@susanne5803]

@@Orenotter 🕯️🌲✨ 😂

[@huxflax]

Great quote about the note!

[@chocolateboy300]

I finished in 33:35 minutes. This was such a creative idea for a sudoku. It took me nearly 14 minutes to convert the notes, but it was so satisfying to play it in the player. It was just as satisfying to place the notes along the pink line. If there is one thing in the world that I do not understand and probably never will, it is music theory. I have tried many times, but it doesn't make sense. Even trying to just read the notes was a real challenge. It sucks, because I've always wanted to be able to play the piano, but everything comes out either too simplistic or discordant. Oh well, at least I am decent at sudokus. Great Puzzle!

[@longwaytotipperary]

I play ukulele at an advanced beginner level and kind of half way read music, though more familiar with chords than notes. Mark was wonderful!! I have never heard Mark or Simon be disrespectful of God or anyone who believes in God. This is a great puzzle!

[@wavaxa2]

I'm guessing it's "that's 3 in the spotlight, losing its religion" that someone religious might find offensive.

[@emilywilliams3237]

I agree and I agree. I believe in God and have never felt disrespected by Mark or Simon. They seem to go out of their way to be respectful to all beliefs that I have ever heard them mention or refer to, and they definitely are sympathetic to fellow humans in their experiences of life, whether good or sorrowful.

[@longwaytotipperary]

@@emilywilliams3237 yes!

[@harrykeogh3994]

Anybody who believes that lyric is in anyway anti-religion doesn't understand the background to the song. The line comes from an old Southern (USA) expression that means "I'm at the end of my Rope" (in the UK we would say "I'm at the end of my Tether") and when you know that the song makes a lot more sense. As an aside, even if it did refer to somebody feeling their faith slipping away I don't see how anybody could take offence, maybe they could have some compassion for the person & try to offer support but to take offense feels very "Un-Religious" to me.

[@RichSmith77]

​@@wavaxa2It is. The same commenter has left messages on other videos claiming "hate speech" with timestamps to when the 3 in the corner meme occurs. Dillusional.

[@badrunna-im]

Music skip: 11:47 The sequence: 87654321566778 Could've just had a separate version with those as givens, but eh.

[@alanclarke4646]

8 at each end? But there are NO C's in the first four bars of Joy to the World?? In fact those bars only have NINE notes not 14. I spent HOURS trying to reconcile this. What a stupid puzzle. Not going to bother to continue attempting to solve this.

[@461weavile]

@@alanclarke4646 Maybe read all the instructions instead. You've clearly missed something.

[@theskyisteal8346]

@@alanclarke4646 The sheet music Mark showed in the video is the one the setter used (whichever key has no sharps or flats in the melody). It, along with a virtual keyboard, is featured in the original place the setter posted the puzzle (second link in the description.) If the sheet music you have is in 2/4 just use the first eight bars or do what I did and keep going in the song until you fill in the note without counting bars. It's actually a pretty fun puzzle even if the music note is a write-in

[@jr637-1]

Fascinating ruleset, although I’m not sure I would be able to make it work with music I don’t know. Merry Christmas Mark! Thank you for the gift of fun sudoku videos over the past year.

[@praematura]

Took me a minute or so to remember the exact notes - I swear I can still read sheet music, even though it's been 20 years since I really played piano. 😅 Finished in 8:22 (conflict checker off), plus the minute or so for the musical determination. Many thanks to BoaConstructor for a very nice puzzle!

[@debbieauld1074]

What a beautiful puzzle! I enjoyed this so much!

[@gabrielanderson3522]

I loved this puzzle. It was fun to open up garageband and map out the notes. My time was 14:57. Thanks for the puzzle

[@Kirbyfan87827]

Finished in 15:37, although the timer was not running for the entire period of time I spent tracking down the notation for Joy To The World and then converting that into numbers. Great puzzle!

[@markp7262]

13:00 finish. I had to pull up the virtual keyboard and play the whole song once I heard the start. Now it's stuck in my head. Maybe I'll teach my daughter to play it. She loves to learn songs on the piano. 😁😁😁

[@huxflax]

Anyone who doesn't know sheet music should just treat it as a little puzzle within the puzzle to figure out the notes. All tools necessary are provided in the link. (Whatever grudge you hold against your old music teacher - please keep it buried, this is merely a puzzle to be solved 😊)

[@themiddleones11]

8:45 don't listen to that guy, he's probably mad about the 3 in the corner bit that we all love 💓💓💓 I think for yesterday it was because you said holiday season rather than Christmas and there's a sect that thinks that that's just the worst thing imagineable which is absurd because there's many holidays other than Christmas and I'm a long time viewer that doesn't celebrate Christmas. I'm sorry a channel as wholesome and inclusive as yours has been caught up in someone spewing that nonsense, and please pay no mind to that comment. Lots of love to you both ❤

[@MadHauk]

Very merry christmas to all! Great puzzle!

[@krotch97]

Just realized you ought to sing “Oh Christmas Three, Oh Christmas Three” for 3s in the corner while the snowflake spray is in effect

[@danielcummins5092]

Joy to the World actually is describing the 2nd coming of Christ. The first time he came, he was not king. But the second time he comes (which is still in the future), he will be King of the world. "Joy to the world, the Lord is come. Let earth receive her king" is the lyric most often sung.

[@TheTaxGeek]

I really hate to be "that guy" but I can neither read music nor play the piano....

[@TheTaxGeek]

Sorry...I didn't see the link to the guide at first..nevermind!

[@rhoadeshouse]

I also can not read music lines, so i am "that guy," because i refuse to use that second link. I therefore will watch Marks solve instead.

[@criticalwyrmling349]

@@rhoadeshouse You truly don't need to be able to read music to get the solution for this puzzle. Joy to the World starts with an 8-note descending sequence (plainly visible) and the second link does link the numbers and audible notes automatically so you can use your ear to figure which sequence is correct.

[@allendracabal0819]

I am not musical either, but with the helpful page Paul made, I could quickly figure things out.

[@LednacekZ]

@@criticalwyrmling349 It might be plainly visible to you, but to someone who does not read music it is just weird signs on a lot of horizontal lines.

[@TheBigROCK99]

Amazing puzzle, love the music note theme!

[@RichSmith77]

From around minute 23 (23:00) there's more sudoku that can be done in box 2. There's only two cells for 3,4 and also only two cells for 5,9. That allows 1 and 2 to be placed in box 2. This simplifies the deductions around the arrow in box 3 a little.

[@benjamintoddjohnson]

I immediately confused Joy to the World with Ode to Joy, and declared that it doesn't work forwards or backwards due to repeated notes.

[@SerJacob]

omg I thought I was the only one, I just finally figured it out

[@pambates7867]

😂 I too was confused, but my mind went to the Three Dog Night song. It doesn't work eigher!

[@angec9908]

We call December 23 “Christmas Adam” 😉

[@Gonzalo_Garcia_]

8:17 for me. I used Mark's help with the music part though. I might have been able to figure it out myself with my very limited musical knowledge, but I was just interested in the sudoku part.

[@tugabooga]

10:42 for this one, wonderful puzzle once again!

[@neil2796]

I immediately thought the song was the Three Dog Night version.

[@bristolrovers27]

I'm glad I'm not alone in this !!!

[@agentkirb]

They really missed the opportunity to have the puzzle actually reference that song instead of the Christmas song. Or somehow have the puzzle also work for both songs

[@ServantOfSatania]

Besides having to check whether smallest or biggest digit was missing it was actually pretty easy to figure out how to read the notes and I don't know anything about music (The second link should definitely be higher in the description though, it is absolutely a must)

[@piarittersporn]

Lovely puzzle.🎵🎶

[@srwapo]

14:26, not counting the several minutes I spent paused relearning how to read music notes. Screwed up pencil marking box 6, so I'm glad I didn't have to undo all my work at the end.

[@Coyotek4]

9:39, not including the few minutes it took me to play the music on my piano and remind myself how the notes go Nice, thematic puzzle!

[@raysouth1952]

Couldn't figure this one out. As far as I could determine there aren't 14 notes in the first four bars. May be I looked at the wrong sheet music.

[@jeffreyrosas1784]

That’s some variant notation in this variant sudoku. I count 9 notes in what feels like 4 bars when I go caroling. Maybe I should visit fewer bars while caroling.

[@emilywilliams3237]

@@jeffreyrosas1784 haha

[@alanclarke4646]

Same here, and apparently, the sequence starts and ends with 8, but there are no C's in the first four bars.

[@timcotton1782]

Not fourteen different notes. As displayed on the video starting at 8:00, the pitch sequence is CBAG FEDC GA AB BC. Yes, there are arrangements of the song which begin at D, but when you get solving other parts of the puzzle that won't work.

[@timcotton1782]

Every "white" note is included in the opening two measures, descending a full octave chromatically.

[@MarkBennet10001]

The Christmas Tree/robot Christmas puzzle on the app has some classy logic - really enjoyed it

[@Xzyzygy]

The first copy of the tune I looked at was in the key of D. Sadly that made the puzzle insoluble. Once I'd transposed to C (which I should have realised all along was the correct key, because of the reference to white notes) it was a lovely puzzle.

[@danielcummins5092]

I clearly know music better than sudoku - I got the music note in about 10 seconds but it took another 40 minutes to finish the puzzle! :)

[@lexyeevee]

ha, 27:14. i figured that looking up the answer to a trivia question would be cheating, so i tried to suss it out myself at first, but the bits i could work out weren't enough to get going in the puzzle. eventually i decided that using a piano was *not* cheating, and plunking away for a few seconds gave it away almost immediately

[@MarkBennet10001]

What a wonderful puzzle theme and idea - Joy to the World was my seasonal pick for piece or two I wrote for a local audience

[@5t757]

14:04 for this one, pleased with that, love the musical integration!

[@nomore6167]

"love the musical integration" - Well, someone has to, I suppose. I can say with great confidence that deaf and hard of hearing people didn't appreciate it. The sequence which needed to be followed should have been included in the rules.

[@emilywilliams3237]

@@nomore6167 But even if you cannot hear music very well, figuring out a puzzle is part of a puzzle, I would think. The page that Mark linked in the description field definitely gives enough information to solve the puzzle even if you don't know much about music, I think.

[@afanofosc]

@@nomore6167 Just watch the video up to where Mark figures out the sequence and then pause it.

[@nomore6167]

@@emilywilliams3237 "The page that Mark linked in the description field definitely gives enough information to solve the puzzle even if you don't know much about music, I think." - With all due respect, you are wrong. If you cannot hear, cannot hear well, or for any other reason cannot match the tones by ear, then you cannot determine the sequence that must be placed. If you cannot determine the sequence that must be placed, then you don't have all of the information necessary to complete the puzzle. This puzzle was created exclusively for people who can determine the sequence by hearing and matching the tones (or already know how to read sheet music).

[@daboffey]

When's the last time CTC has had 14 given digits?

[@rmjarvis]

30:03, but I admit I had to look up what key Joy to the World is in. Can you do this puzzle without either doing so or having perfect pitch?

[@emilywilliams3237]

It doesn't matter what key it is in, you can still assign numbers to the pitches. 1 and 8 will have the same letter name, just an octave apart, and 2 through 7 will be the other pitches.

[@piasecznik]

Yes. Given the range of 8 notes/numbers, it can only start with either 8 or 9, if it started with 9 it'd conflict with the 5 in box 6 given by the miracle puzzle. With a tiny bit of music theory, the rules also explicitly tell you, because if it wasn't in C, the keys wouldn't be all white.

[@afanofosc]

The description contains a link to the constructor's page which shows the intended key.

[@10prozenthimmel]

Yes - no sharps or flats are mentioned, so it has to be C major (or A minor, but that doesn’t make any sense for a festive hymn).

[@10prozenthimmel]

I enjoyed that. For once I got an easy start ahead of Mark. Then I had to watch his solve anyway because I got stuck soon afterwards 😂 Merry Christmas! (PS: I have not noticed any mocking of religion whatsoever. On the contrary, I think you are both very inclusive in your language. I did pick up that the two of you do not seem to be religious people yourselves, but you do respect anyone’s faith.)

[@Adventures_of_Ian]

I think there are 2 solutions to this. Where can I show the 2 different solutions to this that I have founr? I have screenshots of both, and although only 1 is showing as correct on the APP, I can't see any problems with the 'wrong' solution I came to first as it still fulfills all the rule.

[@drewcoaustralia]

Have you done the solution checker in the app? It will show you if there's any digit conflicts at least, otherwise upload it to Imgur and post a link

[@davidh.4944]

31:02@#1687, although I did let Mark do the heavy work of figuring out the number-notes. There were a few tricky deductions, but overall it was fairly straightforward. Nice.

[@carlosmingorance2110]

I had to look up the accords. I'm not used to these names for the musical notes, but rather to the "do-re-mi..." naming. Other than that, a nice and easy one

[@shawnheidingsfelder8179]

I learned Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge.

[@stephenbeck7222]

Good Boys Deserve Fudge Always!

[@michaelpdawson]

I learned it as Every Good Boy Deserves Favor, as did the Moody Blues.

[@jinbe892]

i really like this music rule! but i can see it can be a barrier for some people

[@JohnBodoni]

mark... *anyone* can play a kazoo. it's the great music equalizer :)

[@adamheywood113]

Cool idea, and I'm glad people liked it, but it's beyond me

[@BorisMinor]

That was fun!

[@paulschneider2123]

For all of you complaining about the musical clue: Did you never play with a musical toy as a child? Bought one for your own child? Your grandchild? They generally have 8 notes and you can play a surprising number of tunes with it. Old McDonald, Twinkle Twinkle, Jingle Bells and, yes, Joy to the World, to name a few. And since that toy probably popped up at Christmas, Joy is the first one you might figure out. You don't need to know any more theory than you should have learned in elementary school (Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do, anyone?) to figure out the first 8 notes are sequential. Or at least unique or the puzzle would be broken. Otherwise, just skip the puzzle. There's no way you've solved everyone of them on this channel.

[@easternbrown]

Got going only once I realised that the music sheet on the wiki page for the hymn is in a higher key to the one you are meant to use!

[@alanclarke4646]

BUT: the first 4 bars of Joy To The World only have NINE notes, not 14...😢

[@tBagley43]

13:34 couldn't be bothered to figure out the music thing

[@zobososhizion6478]

00:16:19 not including the copying of the music from yours

[@michaelandersen-kk4fc]

at 17.00 says that 4-5-9 would break the puzzle.. 2 seconds later pencil mark 4-5 into the puzzle. ?????? at 24.00 he places 8 as an option on a arrow, which is impossible (which would have revealed the only place for 8 in box 9), mark in top form would have solved that in half the time,

[@RichSmith77]

It seems like he realises he's ruled three of the four ways of making 9 out, so it has to be the fourth way, but then forgets which of the four ways he hasn't ruled out (3+6).

[@rungus24]

Although I hear the song in 2/4, not 4/4, I could tell which 14 notes you meant, but I had a lot of trouble trouble parsing the instructions in a way that makes sense, with or without the sheet music. The first few notes are a run down the major scale, so the 1 was repeated the first the way I kept trying to understand it, and doesn't fit in the sudoku either way along that line. Did you mean that the high C is the 8, and the low C is the 1? Can that be specified somewhere so that people don't make the mistake that I did?

[@461weavile]

The notation of the melody is written in the instructions in the video description and in the video, but not in the sudokupad instructions. Maybe are you misremembering the melody as the second lyric beginning on the root? It begins on the fifth. Or you're singing Ode to Joy instead of Joy to the World.

[@alanclarke4646]

@@rungus24 or they could have JUST PUT THE NUMBERS IN THE GRID for everyone that isn't a musician.

[@rungus24]

@@461weavile No, it starts on the root, but an octave up, which in the rules to this sudoku mean it's the number 8, but according to the rules of music theory make it a number 1. It doesn't start on the fifth, at least not according to any musical rules that I ever heard. Perhaps the problem is that the setter is classically trained, whereas I'm slightly more informed by jazz theory, where you do sometimes have 9th chords, and 11th and even 13th chords, but never 8th chords, because there is no 8. The '8' is the root, which is a number 1, and then the next note is the ninth. So the rules of this sudoku are consistent within themself, but counterintuitive to many rules of music.

[@461weavile]

@@rungus24 The second lyric most definitely does not start on the root, regardless of which octave you're looking at. Ignore the music theory names. The root in the first octave is the first digit as noted in the rules. The second is the digit 2. The third is the digit 3. As the rules note, the second in the following octave is the digit 9. The root in the following octave therefore is the digit 8. If you look at the graphic included, you get exactly those digits displayed on the keyboard image. Regardless, a person would only consider the root in all octaves to be the digit 1 if they didn't read the rules of the puzzle; it's clear from the rules that the pitches are assigned the nine digits, even if it's unclear from the rules which notes of the melody are assigned to which digit.

[@rungus24]

@@461weavile It's as if we're agreeing with each other, but you're just making it incredibly more confusing than it needs to be. My point is that they could have made the instructions clearer, especially for those of us who're musicians, and so who might be more likely to see the first note as a 1. They left needless ambiguity in the instructions.

[@jeffreybrookner9251]

Could someone please post the sequence, then pin it to the top? TIA

[@MarkWiseTechno]

I object to this puzzle on the basis that the setter got the music wrong. I tried solving it without even knowing there was a special website for the music piece, looked up the score for "Joy to the World," and found that there was no way to make the first 4 bars work on the line. I came back to the video, found out about the website, and looked there. The notes on the website are wrong, and he has it in the wrong time signature. I checked multiple sources and downloaded MIDI files, and the musical aspect of the puzzle is plain wrong. The first 14 notes of "Joy to the World" (omitting sharps) are D C B A G F E D D G G C C D, and it was like that in every score I looked at. It's a clever idea but with an incorrect basis, and as someone who does know music and tried to solve it using sheet music, I was extremely disappointed.

[@themiddleones11]

It's just transposed to c instead of the original key of d

[@emilywilliams3237]

You saw a version of the song that is in D-major. It can be played and sung in any key at all, though, including C-major, which is what the web page refers to. If you take that C = 1, then you can map the digits 1 to 8 to the notes of a major scale, in this case the C-major scale, and you will see that it matches the sequence that the constructor gives. So, you forgot to consider that any piece of music can be transposed to any key. There was nothing incorrect about the webpage or the way the constructor of the puzzle rendered the digits into musical notes.

[@screwaccountnames]

@@emilywilliams3237 I wouldn‘t call it incorrect, but I think it‘s ambiguous. It took the magic square in box 6 for me to realise that it couldn‘t be the version in D major I found at first. I came to the correct solution in the end, but I would have preferred not to have to try two different versions of the song in different keys to get there.

[@emilywilliams3237]

@@screwaccountnames I guess that the constructor assumed that being able to represent the correct notes on just the white keys of a keyboard was going to be helpful to people who don't read music notation, or don't read it fluently. And Mark did say at the beginning of the video that there was a webpage giving information about the musical part of it, and he gave the link and also used that webpage in his own solve. I think that many people jump right into the puzzle without watching any of the video or reading the description field at all, so maybe folks who do that without making use of the resource of the video itself might find themselves a bit afield.

[@461weavile]

There's no "correct key" for a music standard. You object to the puzzle, but I object to your disregarding of the accidentals contrary to the instructions of the puzzle. The musical aspect of the puzzle is not "plain wrong," you're simply looking for a reason to complain and to be disappointed. It's a clever idea and it's plainly obvious. There's no possible way to come up with anything where, as the instructions state, "the digits 1-9 are mapped to the white keys" unless you do the intended answer. Anything else will get you a non-digit in a puzzle that requires the digits 1-9.

[@susanne5803]

00:12:14 - All those piano lessons finally paid off! 😊

[@PathOfShrines]

Cute. 24:45 after a false start.

[@bigben0012]

Goodness gracious with these complainers. If you didn't like this one sudoku that *gasp* requires you to incorporate the most basic of music knowledge, then try one of the literally thousands of others on this channel. Yes, it's outside of what they normally do, which is pure 100% deductive reasoning, but they've done puzzles before where you had to do a lateral thinking puzzle in order to start the actual sudoku puzzle first, although it's been a while. I personally like the challenge of having to figure something else out once in a while. True, this is gonna be tougher for those that are hard of hearing, but for everyone else, y'all are way too fixed mindset. If you're not a musical person and not willing to take the roughly 2 minutes it would take to look up which notes are which on a musical staff, or just listen to the music and match the notes with a keyboard using the link that came with the puzzle, then fine, go ahead and skip this one. But in the time it took you to complain, you could have instead adopted a growth mindset, figured it out, actually learned something new about music, and solved a wonderful puzzle to boot.

[@daboffey]

Joy to the world is about Christ's second coming, not His incarnation.

[@IanMcGarrett]

How fragile is your god and how fragile is your faith when it cannot stand criticism.

[@afanofosc]

And "That's me in the corner, that's me in the spotlight losing my religion" is 100% not criticism. Or in any way mocking God.

[@rhoadeshouse]

Especially because "losing my religion" does not even have anything to do with religion, except using the word. It rather means "losing my nerves/temper." But well todays generation tiktok does use any straw, might it be just as thin, to state someone elses words as mockery or offensive, they can find. (Which I kind of just did myself in a different way, what i even am aware of😂)

[@461weavile]

What criticism is that?

[@robertcousins2274]

12:43 for me

[@bruceh8043]

24:43 for me and solver #1108.

[@stephenbeck7222]

I disagree with Mark that there is a clear statement of Christ’s birth in the text. Rather, ‘the Lord is come’ refers to the 2nd coming (a la the book of Revelation). Regardless, the song has been completely associated with the Christmas season.

[@susanne5803]

Thank you. I looked it up and was surprised to learn this.

[@TurquoizeGoldscraper]

16:03 for me.

[@themiddleones11]

Of course these 2 that can't be done on mobile came out when I'm Dogsitting and don't have access to my computer 😂😂😂 At least I can do this one because I have almost 20 years of being a musician under my belt

[@LednacekZ]

7:21 today

[@nicocost33]

21.27 for me.

[@torstenaan]

The music part was not joyful at all..

[@10prozenthimmel]

For me it was the most joyous start of a puzzle ever! 🤩

[@richarddavy-smith6626]

Oh go on, please keep very gently mocking God, it bugs all of the worst people.

[@RichSmith77]

I wholeheartedly agree. (I knew you could always trust someone with such a name to speak sense.)

[@461weavile]

That sounds like something an evil person would say. Why would you say that?

[@RichSmith77]

@@461weavile Says the person with evil in their name.

[@richarddavy-smith6626]

Mocking God isn’t evil. It’s the logical conclusion of someone who stopped believing in children’s fairy tales.

[@461weavile]

@@RichSmith77 Lol, only if you jumble it up. What do you think I'll get if I jumble up your name? Aside from that, let me know if anybody sees something factually inaccurate with my assessment.

[@sophiusdynami3401]

Not a fan of this trick.... Thankfully tons of other great videos for me to watch!

[@jeffreybrookner9251]

The rules should specify the exact sequence of notes, or the puzzle should not be featured on this page. The musical clues may be obvious to most of you, but it's complete Greek to me.

[@emilywilliams3237]

There have been plenty of puzzles featured on this channel where I, not being familiar with some sorts of pencil puzzles, for example, had to figure out a lot of things that might have been basic to someone else from reasoning through the rules and thinking about what everything had to mean. The page that was linked from the description field gave plenty of information to help even the least musical person on earth treat it like a puzzle to be solved and arrive at a solution that would enable the sudoku puzzle to be solved. This seems entirely fair to me.

[@kalebrhea5822]

Perhaps a second page including the solution to the music part would do better. For people who like the music part this was a lovely puzzle. Just remember that not every puzzle is a 10/10 and everyone has different things that they like

[@afanofosc]

Why not just watch the video up until Mark figures out the sequence and then pause the video and solve the puzzle on your own from there?

[@michaurbanski5961]

What do you mean 'should not be posted'? Let them post what they want! Just check the comments or video if you can't figure something out (I did, and the puzzle was great!)

[@LednacekZ]

This was one of the most stupid rules set ever. First of all i have never heard of this song. i had to google the note sheet for the song and then thankfully i can read sheet music. Otherwise i am F...ed.

[@kemokidding]

There you go, mocking "the god that made you" again.

[@susanne5803]

Some people enjoy this. I for example. So don't call "stupid" what is just a personal dislike for you.

[@susanne5803]

​@@kemokidding?

[@stephenbeck7222]

“Stupid” = things outside of my cultural knowledge and that require a little bit of effort to discern (which could have included clicking the music page link in the description), apparently.

[@jeffreybrookner9251]

@@stephenbeck7222 I don't think the puzzle is stupid. I think it doesn't belong on this page. Every other puzzle includes the information needed to solve it. This one does not.

[@Paolo_De_Leva]

_"The direction [of the 14-digit sequence] must be determined"_ 🤣 Really? What a challenge❗ This is just a puzzle with *14* given digits, a non-innovative ruleset and a few barely enjoyable logic steps at the end (e.g., a couple of naked singles that rule *5* out of the circle in box 3). The translation process (from notes to digits) does not require logic and I skipped it by watching Mark's solve @11:48. Even if it were a lovely prelude by Bach, I would not be interested in translating it to digits...

[@pairot01]

Not including the sequence that's absolutely necessary to solve the puzzle is, putting it lightly, a blunder. I'll do the next puzzle, one that *actually* has all the clues needed to be solved.

[@MisterM2402]

You're supposed to determine the sequence yourself, that is part of the puzzle. All clues needed for the solve are given, but if like me you can't be bothered to work it out yourself, you can watch Mark figure out the sequence first and then proceed as normal.

[@stephenbeck7222]

The ‘music page’ link in the description has the music and a helpful button player to work out the notes.

[@jeffreybrookner9251]

@@stephenbeck7222 That link is only useful to those who have a baseline level of musical knowledge (and an ear). They go out of their way to accommodate those who are colorblind -- how about the tone deaf amongst us?

[@nomore6167]

@@MisterM2402 "All clues needed for the solve are given" - Tell that to all of the deaf, hard of hearing, and "tone deaf" people. I guess they aren't worthy of this puzzle, in your estimation?

[@emilywilliams3237]

@@jeffreybrookner9251 I truly don't think that a tone deaf person would have been unable to figure out the mapping of numbers to notes. There was a lot of information given on that page. And as Mark said at the beginning, they do 14 sudoku puzzles a week (or sometimes 13 if Simon does a non-sudoku puzzle occasionally). There is plenty of content for everyone to have lots to solve and enjoy. Musical notation is just another puzzle to be solved, and not every puzzle is to everyone's taste. Not sharing this puzzle would have deprived many folks of an enjoyable experience, just because a few folks didn't take music lessons or consider themselves tone-deaf.

[@nomore6167]

I know there's a very good chance that I'm in the minority, but I have to thumbs-down this video for the thoughtless decision to feature this horrible puzzle. If you're going to feature a puzzle like this, then post the sequence which must be followed; don't make people guess it. 1) You're relying on an external page being accessible to everyone, now and in the future; 2) people without good pitch recognition may not be able to match the tones; and 3) most importantly, people who are deaf or hard of hearing won't be able to determine the sequence.

[@emilywilliams3237]

I do agree that the externally-linked page may not be available forever, but I imagine that it will be available for the duration of interest in the average sudoku puzzle. As for needing good pitch recognition to solve the musical note mapping part of the puzzle, I don't think so - there were many other clues given that enable even someone who can't hear music at all able to deduce how the mapping must work. And as Mark said toward the beginning of the video, they put puzzles on this channel which are good puzzles, and some of them are not to everyone's taste, and some are hard to solve on various devices, or if one is colorblind, or whatever. But the majority of people, or even a significant minority of people, can enjoy a puzzle that is not easy or to everyone's taste.

[@afanofosc]

How hard, really, is it to get the sequence by watching the video up to the point where Mark figures it out? Not much harder than reading it from the description. I mean, for that matter you could argue that the sudokupad links are not guaranteed to remain accessible forever.

[@nomore6167]

@@emilywilliams3237 "but I imagine that it will be available for the duration of interest in the average sudoku puzzle" - People find these videos years after they were posted. I still go back and replay puzzles from when this channel first began, long before Sven created this new app. it's not as if these puzzles will be up for a few months and then disappear. "there were many other clues given that enable even someone who can't hear music at all able to deduce how the mapping must work" - You are incorrect. There was no information on that page which would suggest how to determine the sequence unless you already know how to read sheet music or can hear and match the tones provided. "can enjoy a puzzle that is not easy or to everyone's taste" - This isn't an issue of not being to someone's taste. This is an issue of explicitly and intentionally excluding a sizable segment of the population.

[@nomore6167]

@@afanofosc "How hard, really, is it to get the sequence by watching the video up to the point where Mark figures it out?" - Believe it or not, a lot of people (I would guess most people) want to solve the puzzle on their own, without watching Mark or Simon solve it (or any part of it) first. That's part of the enjoyment of solving puzzles for many people -- doing it on your own. EDIT: "I mean, for that matter you could argue that the sudokupad links are not guaranteed to remain accessible forever" - You're right, the Sudokupad links are not guaranteed to remain accessible forever, but they don't need to. You can easily create your own Sudoku grid on a piece of paper. Comparing the disappearance of Sudokupad to the disappearance of an external page required for the rules is comparing apples to chainsaws.

[@stephenbeck7222]

@@nomore6167 this puzzle is pretty low on the list of puzzles with arcane or inaccessible elements in the history of CTC solves I’d say. I mean, there’s a whole catalog of cryptic crosswords.

[@fuxpremier]

20:10 for my time. Nice little puzzle. I'm not sure the music part brings much to it that a funny shape as it's really straightforward as long as one knows enough about music.