Sued By Black and Decker! Oh The Humanity!

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[@IBuildItScrapBin]

Watch the build video for the Workmate: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5zFiXqDl8aLepY My Patreon page: www.patreon.com/user?u=865843 My Locals page: ibuildit.locals.com Join for as little as $1 per month (Patreon) to help keep the great projects coming, and watch the instalment videos as they are made. The instalments will be edited into a full build video and posted on my main channel, but might cut shorter to keep the video at a reasonable length. When you become a supporter on Locals you'll get access to all of my detailed build series plus these instalment videos as they come out. You'll get access to the build series on Patreon, but at the premium level. I also make regular update posts on each page to show what I've got going on and what I'm planning. Project plans for sale: ibuildit.ca/plans/

[@crossgrainwoodproductsltd9230]

I would send you the one I have. I rarely use it now. It's all steel and made of 1/8" steel for the legs. Unfortunately, it's to heavy to ship to anyone, lol. The crap they make today is good enough to hod a coffee cup on and that's about it.

[@jrkorman]

I've got one of the old Workmates - one of the nice features is that it folds up fairly small. Replaced the top years ago with 6/4 material they sell for stair treads.

[@marcbarash6045]

Thanks John! Glad to see you

[@DuncanEdwards.]

I have missed these Sunday talks

[@dennisjones173]

I got one of those old workmates I bought it about 40 years ago and it's still used it today pretty handy tool

[@richjones5432]

I still own & use a Workmate that came to me as 14th birthday present from my parents. I have always been a "WoodY" ......... I will be 62 next year. I still use same bench & I love it as a friend. Later ones have come & gone but my original carries its wounds & battle scars very well & I would never sell it. Its with me until the end.

[@PullMyTriggerOKK]

I'll be honest, I haven't been watching woodworking videos for a while. But upon seeing this video I see you look a LOT healthier, and you lost a lot of weight. You also look more nimble. Bravo! Keep it up. I appreciate your creativity and enjoy watching your videos.

[@craigsudman4556]

I purchased a Work Mate before they engineered it to fail and was lucky enough to pick one up at the dump. I've used both of these tables and wore out both sets of tops. I finally bit the bullet and replaced the tops with red oak tops that I cut in the shop. Now both of the work mates are back in service and will be handed down or sold when I no longer have a use for them. Great video John thumbs up.

[@markbernier8434]

I agree. I have 4 or 5 and use all of them. The current plastic garbage is worthless.

[@BillDavies-ej6ye]

The WorkMate went through a series of "design by accountant" changes. That always improves everything.

[@IBuildItScrapBin]

More like design by consumer. It's the consumer that buys the product and if it's too expensive, he won't. Also if it's too expensive, someone else will make a cheaper version and capture the market. So ultimately, as the cost of materials goes up, the manufacturer needs to use less of them (or cheaper substitutes) to keep the price within reason for the consumer.

[@craigsudman4556]

@@IBuildItScrapBin I remember quoting a price for a customer's deck surround for an above ground pool. The fellow said that's too expensive the other guy will do it at half the price. I said but I build Code Plus, I use hand hammered galvanized 16d nails, I frame at 16" on center, and use full ground contact rated pressure treated wood. "I don't care." was all he said. I suppose I was a terrible salesman as he had the job done by others, I just refused to do shoddy work. So, yes John the design is driven by the market, people will always look for the lower cost product thinking that widget A looks the same as widget B but widget A is half the cost of widget B. By the way five years later I had occasion to actually do a job for the neighbor of that fellow who wanted the raised deck surround for his pool. The deck board were all cupped and pulling away from the frame and the frame looked like it was about to fall apart. I guess you get what you pay for. Cut your price and cut your throat.

[@NickToland]

That is one of the most creative work horse/ table I've seen. Really cool.

[@IBuildItScrapBin]

Thank you!

[@MrMarkpeggy]

It's good to see you John. Your creation is awesome!

[@cidercreekranch]

I have a Workmate that I purchased 30 years ago. Still have it and use it.

[@GregsGarage]

I do like the spring mechanism you came up with.

[@rafvdp6391]

Just finished watching the main channel video and was thinking instead of fixing the front legs in place ( the ’’mistake ’’) you maybe could put a removable pin through the legs and sides to lock it so it stays foldable to like you designed it. Good to see another scrap bin video. 🙂

[@TheCapt]

I was actually thinking the same thing, but I had in mind a couple pins, similar to the ones used on the little giant ladders. In fact, I just looked up the parts and you can get them online either 31801 hinge pins or 31005 orange hinge lock. I'm sure John can come up with a wood and bolt version of the same thing.

[@KipdoesStuff]

I commented on the other video about my old B&D workmate was ruined by my ex. Going over to her place later to get the remains to rebuild it. That is until you release the plans for this one.

[@billj5645]

I understand the desire to hinge both legs at the top, that would make it fold up much flatter. But you are right- with rail at the top, 2 legs, brace at the bottom, it is not stable. You would have to add another brace at a diagonal to create the truss effect which actually might not be that hard to do. The 1/2" plywood vs 3/4" plywood discussion- I've seen that happen when I designed something a long time ago I would have the various details in my head and I would remember why I wanted 2 layers of 1/2" plywood, then when I get ready to implement it I've forgotten that little aspect of it and I would be willing to convince myself to make the change without realizing all of the ramifications. I own a relatively new workmate, about 5 years old. I find it very useful when I need to set up a station outside to do some work. I set things on it that I'm painting, I hold boards on it that I'm cutting, I set my miter saw on it, things like that. Then when I'm finished I fold it up and put it in my little shed.

[@smitcher]

I have the same problem John with full sheets, great to have some OSB, plywood, MDF and even some melamine on hand but they seriously get in the way when I have them in the shop. I've considered (but not yet built) some kind of narrow rack outside the workshop, with rollers, that I can roll full sheets into some compartments longways and then roll out when I need them- it would only need to be about a foot out from the side of the shop and perhaps have some kind of humidity control and fan to stop the sheets getting damp but I think I could make it work. It might be something that you can fit in somewhere around your garden and then if you built it then I could learn from all your mistakes! ;-)

[@brianpatmore8418]

Hi John, Good to see you again. That project is genius. Great idea. I have not seen one like that any where else. Well done.

[@2bmade-projects594]

Love it John, always inspirational. I love the mistakes discussed and the thought process talked about. I've built a lot of your stuff.

[@AndyGherna]

If by cheap you mean laminated bamboo boards on top, then yes the old ones are hard to find. But the tops can be replaced. When mine finally fail, I will.

[@janmalan471]

Maybe you can put a hole through the front leg that you can pin if you unfold the legs, than it would not need to be fixed?

[@BruceAUlrich]

I do the same thing with CDs...rip them and listen to them on my computer/Apple TV.

[@UberAlphaSirus]

I got my dad 40+ old one in my mums garden and a knock off. Think I will overhaul them over the winter. the origil has ally castings for the webs. Might even have a few jobs for my metal lathe to do. like knobs. the plastic handles where crap even when I was 10.

[@fredprater5012]

Hey John you should run to the store to buy.... NOPE NOPE NOPE, I can make it LOL. Love the videos on making tools!

[@ruelsmith]

The old Workmates were tanks, in a bad way. They just weren't all that portable. They've made major improvements to them in more modern designs, but they've also introduced plastic where there shouldn't be and some excessive play in areas. Really, they should be totally rethought. I have the Workmate 400. It's older. Its not as convenient as the newer 425, nor does it have the new bamboo tops. It has MDF. They don't last. I think they're far more useful than modern plastic tables that use trigger clamps and such.

[@IBuildItScrapBin]

The old ones are heavy. This one is pretty light, though, but still solid.

[@Don.Challenger]

@@IBuildItScrapBin Yep, John, my dad bought the original and he was tall and strong and he didn't think it qualified as portable (he had wanted to use it as a working platform for installing/repairing two way radios in commercial vehicles out in the field - nope more hassle than help) and so it sat in the basement outside his electronics workshop slowly accumulating stuff until buried, I can just about see the last few square inches that remain bare but for dust.

[@markbernier8434]

After decades of using the originals, if I was going to build your project I would simplify it a lot. I would build a short version and a tall version and forget anything that folds. I fold mine so rarely I have to figure out how and oil the joints each time. If I only wanted one (you need at least two IMHO) I would make a simple riser box to stand the short version on top. Being a bit vertically challenged the riser is one of the most used items in the shop.

[@IBuildItScrapBin]

I have to agree that it would be better to have two that are a fixed height, but multi-function stuff makes for a more popular project. Guys like things that serves two purposes, even when they aren't strictly practical.

[@jjenn050]

Can someone give me the timestamp for when John is talking about the lawsuit? I somehow missed it.

[@JorgeGarcia-ne3ws]

A video that proves without a doubt that when making videos, you should have a somewhat clean bench to demonstrate the product. It certainly would have not taken long to clean up a bit.

[@TwilightxKnight13]

From a artistic/craftsman perspective, it is a really nice piece with interesting features. Nice job! That being said, as a functional piece, it is a bit weak. The folding legs are unnecessary and introduce fail points, especially the plastic stops. There is no reason to step on a piece when the entire purpose of the table is to vice your work. Leave it at a higher position so you can see cut lines more closely and have better control of your cutting tools. The hinge-point for the top needs to be redesigned to allow for a fully-collapsible position. Sticking out that far makes it unwieldy and it'll stick out when hanging from the wall.

[@AB-C1]

Nice job 👍 My dad's still got his original one from the 70s. I borrowed it to use couple years ago and was still good as new aside from one broken bakelite handle on front that screws into the metal bit think that's been broke since 80s lol 😂 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@averagemyke2843]

I have my grandfathers old one. They def don't make em the same.

[@thijs199]

good that you take it easy, carry on

[@mikaelhenning2]

Not cool with the clickbait title, would have watched without it and would have been more happy instead of annoyed. Even so, always nice to see your designs!

[@marcodhaene]

Agree entirely

[@jerrybromenshenk1971]

Same

[@bill50013]

Yes, that sucked.

[@SteveC38]

Same

[@timothyvanderschultzen9640]

That was sucktaceous.

[@prezzeruk4054]

Brilliant workbench!!

[@stokovsky8483]

In case you decide to produce plans for your "workmate" (for which I am already interested as I'll be needing one in the near future), I am recommending a built in "storage" for the top dogs and the middle plank. I am also curious as to how well your plywood floor, covered in one of your videos on IBuildIt Home, is holding up after many years in use. I might do a similiar floor in my apartment.

[@UberAlphaSirus]

I worked a few jobs for a mate. They nicknamed the pair of sawhorses the two ronnies. UK TV celebs. The chippy, for shits and pickles made a 1 foot high saw horse, called it little ron. It was the most popular sawhorse, it went on all the adventures. It was just so handy.

[@FIZZYYAM]

Your stuff always looks good John

[@qaszim2012]

As always, your genius is under appreciated here on youtube. How can clowns get millions of views and you who are inovative not garner m9re attention.

[@jayhitek]

Pretty sure B&D wouldn't be able to sue you for anything unless you tried to sell them as wooden workmates and used their name.. I declare you a free man!

[@michaeltablet8577]

Great video as always! Hang in there like fuzz on a sucker!

[@ios6605]

It’s genius. I hope your health is in good condition, please let us know.

[@machellelutz1096]

My own you do ramble on and on

[@mmmmmmm8706]

Would that be on ok cnc project?

[@MCsCreations]

I don't remember where I've seen it... But I remember seeing someone making something out of OSB and finishing it with epoxy. And it looked amazing, John! 😊 I think they were doors for something... I'm not sure. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@trevormgreen]

Are you perhaps thinking of Andy Klein who made a worktop from OSB kzbin.info/www/bejne/an_HeICQa9R9rbc

[@onjofilms]

Click bait. Nothing said about B&D suing you.

[@GumbootZone]

Years ago I was going to buy a Workmate 425, but at the last minute bought a Worx Pegasus and have been very happy with it.

[@jimdoane1362]

Woodsmith had plans for one years ago that I made both your and that on rare handy

[@seephor]

You've lost weight John. Look'in good.

[@2bmade-projects594]

F*** man, i remember the good old days with you arguing push stick design with wandell. Lol. I built a "circular saw table saw" which started my journey. You've killed it man. Not to mention i love audio. Anyways good job. KZbin algorithm sucks nowadays.

[@donwight5806]

Miss your videos.

[@johnvrabec9747]

I have a WM from 1983 that is still like brand new and use it all the time. I bought a new one this year and they're junk. Bamboo top, flimsy legs. And my old one probably was cheaper.

[@bobbg9041]

You can still buy workmate 360s I have 2 of the older ones. I like your design and i wouldn't stand on my workmate 360. However i would on yours with the upper legs, bottom legs i might be worried, im kinda cubby. Ok PHAT there i said it. It dosnt fold down as flat as a workmate 360. But that tool also has its flaws the rubber/plastic feet fall off or just break off. You can make a simple saw horse that folds flat out of plywood and they are very strong. Case and point id walk on my kitchen counter tops and the cabnits made of plywood it will hold a lot of weight. Old ladders were made with 3/4" thick runners the problem point was the folding hinges. Ive got 2 older ones and the hinges are made of thin tin. Carptners used to make there own ladders untill osha came along and made mandatory job seight safty rules you had to use comercialy made ladders rated for elephents. ( im close to elephent size) Nope that stool work bench works, A few changes you could refine it to work as you had intended. Ill even bet it can fold flat and hang on a wall and be as safe as it is. Adding 2 bolts and some angle iron Under the top thats a fold out locking mechanism letting the top come unlocked from the legs and folded up.

[@josearamirez2018]

So those who wait will be rewarded? I hope to see you soon

[@bobbg9041]

10:35 humm? Audiophile? Did you see the guys channel that built his own Magnapans from scratch. Now that would be cool. I was thinking of a transmission line using a 10" driver to get down to 35hz up to 60 hz and midrange and tweeter,/super tweeter not that a 63 year old can hear it above 15k hz but the hormonics are still there And you would hear that. Oh to be a 10 year old kid agine. Back before age jacked up my earys aside from the jobs id had.

[@ShawnBean]

So, have you been sued by B&D, or not? I don't see that they have standing, but you claimed in the title that you were sued by them, then never actually mentioned it in the video.

[@UberAlphaSirus]

My van is portable storage lol.

[@jej3451]

I think it's a mistake to separate all of this explanatory material from the build video and relegate it to the "scrap bin". As I started to watch the main video, and you launched right into the build steps, I was asking "ok, what are you making, and why is it cool?" I had to scan to the end and see the demo to even decide whether I wanted to watch a 26-minute build video. You have to do that to even understand the purpose and context of the build steps. A lot of people won't bother to do that, I fear. (I love your channel and want you to maximize your income from it, if that's even possible any more on KZbin.)

[@bubbadoom1837]

To save the unwary, there is no interesting build, he isn't being sued.

[@enzprintco.8625]

Black & Decker sued you? For what?

[@sapelesteve]

I was wondering the very same thing? 🤔🤔

[@KSCPMark6742]

Skipping through the video withoug seing anything about that, probably just clickbait for claiming it's a workmate ripoff.

[@franceshawe9572]

Just tongue in cheek.😂

[@MYEVILTWIIN]

Black and decker don’t even own the design patten on it the guy that designed the Lotus Elan owns it he licences the design to them for a royalty on every bench sold

[@KSCPMark6742]

@@MYEVILTWIIN yes, it's stupid clickbait

[@jonkwin9620]

I don't do very much woodworking and when I do it's a quick, rough, farm style, but serviceable job, so I don't watch your other channels. This one seems to be more entertaining and has a variety of content, you are an interesting and likeable fellow, so I hope you continue to operate this channel.

[@frankparmenter7800]

Sued By Black and Decker ? gimme time code.

[@timdoyon1964]

I waited and waited to see how B&D had the grounds to sue you, but alas the title was a lie. I liked the video and thought your design was very clever and your workmanship was top notch, but I can’t help but feel cheated. Shame on you for that. You seem like a great guy, but honesty would help your channel grow much faster than trying to trick your fellow woodworkers into watching your videos. Maybe next time I’ll like and subscribe, but this time I just can’t.

[@ralph5450]

0:57 I ses 3 cranks.

[@ios6605]

Ceiling fan

[@oldschooldiy3240]

Why do these content creators clickbait like this? Not one word about a lawsuit! SMDH

[@danieldai1000]

You didn't sit on it to prove it steady.

[@rolandgdean]

Seems like you're losing weight John. I JUST HIT 1000 SUBS today. Loved the video on this build...it's like a transformer. Anyway...I like that this build shows that wood can be used to make hinges. I have a video on how I make the Cosman style hinge and I feel like wood hinge points are stronger that some of their metal alternatives.

[@woodyourather7835]

The clickbate title is scammy. Not honest.

[@Jasonnj732]

Seriously - nice clickbait. Come on man - have some respect for your loyal viewers.

[@woutervanduijn4331]

Sued By Black and Decker? That's it for me. Never ever wil i buy something from Black and Decker or Dewald again. It's total junk anyway.

[@Itsreallymarcus]

The clickbait title and the lie inside that is the reason I won’t watch this fellas videos anymore. As the viewer I actually waited for a crash store of black and decker sueing and what the deal was with that so as a viewer, I don’t appreciate the lie for views.

[@donaldpowell7762]

Bass cabinet… for a subwoofer? Sorry. I’ll see myself out.

[@bobbg9041]

Workmate. Steo stool, saw bench, Toddler picknic table work platform Shit its got it all.

[@fartking2845]

You doing alright Johnny? You look tired. Hope all is well!

[@MemphisBlues-JG]

Please no one say that B&D and DeWalt are the same company. I;m mad, and I don't want to shred any John Heisz fans with the facts.

[@chris_schenkel]

Clickbait