Suicide Squad: Rotten or Fresh? - MOVIE FIGHTS!!

[@travissmith6380]

andy's "film snob" remark is part of why we cant have better movies, because people are willing to overlook lack of a good story or plot because a couple characters were cool

[@nvmfirezactaylor6035]

Isn't that what GotG or Age of Ultron does?

[@travissmith6380]

3spooky5me pretty much

[@evilinterpol]

It's still a very valid criticism. Andy was yelling too much to actually explain why he was being a film snob. Better movies are made when we stop buying into shit movies. That is that. However, suicide squad was not a shit movie by any means. The pacing and tone were not all over the place as argued and the lack of character back story is not enough to ignore what is provided. If anything the lack of story can set up good material for future titles. The only bad thing about this movie was enchantress. Therefore film snob is the appropriate term in this context

[@CTR_ALT_MAKIMA]

That's literally every non Captain America MCU film.

[@MrFlamesFan12]

+3spooky5me Guardians had a good plot and story. What are you on about?

[@critz6719]

Andy argument is completely subjective. His basing it on his bias perspective and his own enjoyment while Dan actually looks at Suicide Squad in a technical logical point of view. The fact that Andy was yelling also shows that his leading his argument with his emotions, rather than his head.

[@madmoviematt4799]

I haven't even seen the movie and I totally agree. It's painful. There is nothing worse than people who reply to logical arguments with incoherent loud noises. Andy literally didn't give any evidence to support his point of view. It was empty statements like "that character was cool", "that character had an arc", "I liked the flashbacks"..... yes but....... WHY?

[@tacticalcactus2845]

But... Whether a movie is good or not is largely subjective. Did you like the movie? (a) yes (b) no If a, the movie was good. If b, the movie was bad. As far as the studios care- Did the movie profit well? (a) yes (b) no If a, the movie was a success. if b, the movie was a bust. The answer was a.

[@critz6719]

That Guy​ yeah but there's still a way you can check it more technically/objectively, like did the plot make sense, was the editing fine? Was there character development. Did they explained everything that was needed to explain. Did the dialogue fit with the scene, was there any giant plot holes, was there unnecessary stuff thrown into the plot, and much more~ these are all things you can consider more objectively. It's better if you aren't strongly emotionally attached to the characters because it would cloud up your view & makes you too bias to think more rationally, which is what happened to Andy. He liked the characters too much & enjoyed it that his ignoring the technical flaws of the film.

[@dawkosvk]

Well, it's still his opinion, and honestly, we all have some of those movies that we will always love no matter what. And there are those that we absolutely hate even though their reception's been great eg. Guardians of the Galaxy (hate that movie....)

[@critz6719]

TheNerdMan2 Andy argument is basically how ~cool~ the characters are and how much he enjoyed it.

[@mtpb7254]

I can literally feel Dan's frustration through my computer screen. Andy, for the love of God, let. him. TALK. I was really looking forward to this debate, but it consistently got overshadowed by Andy's rude and obnoxious screaming. Really tough to watch.

[@IKBENEENPAARD]

I gave your comment a like because he always does that but be honest, Dan was doing the exact same thing this first fight...

[@edgarrrrrrrrrr]

honestly dan never shut up so he kinda needed to be interupted in order to get a counter opinion

[@mtpb7254]

Dan was trying to create an argument. Andy was interrupting him for the sake of interrupting him.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

+IKBENEENPAARD I agree, you even saw Hal look at Dan like "chill man," LOL. In the first fight I would say Dan got to make more points than Andy did so when he said he couldn't talk..I didn't really know what he was talking about?

[@IKBENEENPAARD]

+MTPB dont know why my comment is gone but ok.. I think you're just fanboying Atm, not Dan was getting really repetitive with his point about the Joker, Dan>Andy any day but first fight they were both acting like children

[@AldoOjeda]

Andy is at fighting as he is judging: loud, disrespectful, rude and always interrupts.

[@NoGasProductions]

lol, the pro-suicide squad rant was painful to watch. ill be honest.

[@jaywizz17]

+Banana Frampton it always is

[@NoGasProductions]

I dunno, saying a movie is "fun" is kind of a flimsy argument for me personally, but it's all subjective.

[@TiredJess]

I feel like he got theme and plot mixed up

[@itsflowerside]

spencer ACTUALLY judges by the arguments which is brilliant. This is how it should be, can he always host please???

[@mordirit8727]

He gave points for those too.

[@CBrown]

Everyone except Andy does that. Andy is a horrible host.

[@mordirit8727]

I just think it's much more a rethoric fight than a factual one. The passion and creativity with which the arguments are presented are just as much part of the arguments as the data they are based on. They are discussing mostly questions that don't have an objective answer.

[@mordirit8727]

Wlof25 it doesn't actually. You can still rationally analyse that someone had a better performance in showing an argument. That is actually the only way to make some of those fights viable. For example, nobody in their sane mind would pit Pirates of the Caribbean as a better movie than Marry Poppins, but Hal had a better rethoric for Spencer. As I said, the way an argument is presented is just as much part of it as it's text.

[@mordirit8727]

Look, all I'm trying to say is this: it's about the arguments. An argument is what you say to try to convince someone of something. The way you lay down your argument is paramountly responsible for its success or failure at convincing your audience. So I see nothing wrong with giving credit to performance. If, as you said, your argument's text was pure nonsense and you still managed to make it sound like a sane and reasonable point, you surely deserve praise for that, since doing this is far harder than arguing for a factually correct point. You are just misunderstanding what an argument is. It's not just what you say, but the complete body of your speech. for example, even the fact that I chose to separate every step of my rationale on the beginning of this comment with periods instead of commas, forcing you to read them with a bigger gap between sentences, is a part of the argument I'm making that the method is part of the argument.

[@ohhaimark8867]

Andy is such an annoying, unfair fighter. He never lets Dan speak.

[@MegaSarah116]

that literally would me

[@Smick10]

+MegaSarah116 it would you?

[@elpaco25]

The way Andy tried to use dan saying 60% as his victory just shows how bad of a judge he is. He baited him into saying that knowing it was a fresh score. If the question was 'Is suicide squad: rotten or fresh as judged by Rotten Tomatoes' then Andy won easily. But the question is not based on rotten tomatoes technicalities. He chooses winners based on dumb technicalities and if one person says something that stands out and is easy to remember (like a number!) then they usually win. Dan normally plays to what he knows Andy would like thats why he wins a lot.

[@BePlayingHard]

andy is a fkin idiot

[@jak-crow]

I agree. Andy was filibustering the debate and being an ass over the whole conversation.

[@lasthavoc]

How ironic is it that in a movie full of villains, the main villain is the worst part of the movie?

[@chrisroc1415]

Not really ironic.

[@WuMyth]

uhhh... it was actually a massive focus... and still a shit villian... whats your point

[@TVgamesandvids]

+Mostafa Anwar Teto no, not better than Ultron. At least Ultron looked kinda cool, Enchantress didn't look interesting at all besides her transformation, and the CGI and design on incubus in complete shit. Even Ultrons army is more threatening than those faceless rock zombie things.

[@triceratops7084]

+Mostafa Anwar Teto ultron was much better

[@elizabongwater]

+Mostafa Anwar Teto I hated ultron, and ultron was a lot better

[@Stanislaw365]

"jesus christ would you let me talk?", one line that sums up why Andy should not fight ever again!

[@mccallosone4903]

Wish granted

[@jmorgan3977]

Damn, brutal haha!

[@danglezbenderz]

Yeah Andy, just stick to hosting..

[@triceratops7084]

Agreed

[@QLCHerald]

Oh shut it! for once stop complaining!

[@danglezbenderz]

As a fan and audience member I have a right to critique decisions they make and make suggestions for what I would like to see in the future.

[@neonnuclex6470]

+QLCHerald He's not complaining... He's offering a suggestion 😒

[@jerok47]

I'm amazed how he ignores the structure of taking notes and waiting for your turn in exchange of constant rude interruptions, not fun. Spencer is partly at fault though just for letting Andy do wtv.

[@kaatyblue]

My God Andy is unbearable. I still watch a few episodes of the show here and there just for Dan 'cause I love him (everybody else is pretty cool too, yes I'm even fine with Hal and Nick) and because I really like the format, just can't watch as often or subscribe again because Andy is just the worst, ruins it.

[@martyncahill1]

100%

[@ericmanslough307]

I could not agree more. Particularly his self-righteous, obnoxious laughter after every single fucking point he makes gets on my nerves more than anything else.

[@AliceHobbes]

when you hear Dan said to Andy, "you are changing the rules so it can fit your needs. " or some along those lines make you notice Andy does change the rules. Also Dan is not one to pout and win that is Andy

[@nosaiyamu4331]

i swear to God

[@TheRhysj5]

I hate to say this. But I think it's time to replace Andy with Spencer as host permanently. With Spencer, it's actually based on the arguments

[@mordirit8727]

I'd agree only if someone took the time to teach him how to make people take turns. He only moderated a tiny bit on the first fight and let all of the others run wild, resulting in an almost completely incomprehensible scream fest of an episode, every fight resulting just in the three fighters trying to outyell the others. He was great at judging, but horrible at moderating.

[@macsreviews]

+Thiago Freitas Exactly!

[@iqpok]

Spencer is my favorite fighter and I disagree. He was not able to mediate well because he was way too passive. There was so much chaos in almost every fight. Hal barely got a chance to say a word because of Dan and Andy's overbearing fighting style. You can agree or disagree with Andy's choices, but Andy knows how to moderate an argument much better.

[@toracabey93]

Agree or disagree with him Dan is a born debator. He is always on point and so calm in his delivery he sells the points effortlessy. Andy on the other hand seems to think shouting, talking over people and repeating the same thing over and over again is enough to win. And he definitely is the definition of a sore loser. Andy really should only ever be the judge.

[@mandiroberts6924]

Tora Cabey Dan is accused of pouting at times, but I think that's more his ability to stop before he is truly yelling.

[@guyincognito8043]

And, to defend Dan, Andy was being a sore loser throughout the episode. I like him, but he was pretty petty.

[@withthemates9233]

Andy epitomizes the reasons I stopped watching this show...

[@SethSolomonSputnikSpyglass]

then why are you watching it?

[@withthemates9233]

+OG Sputnik Spyglass cause I felt like it

[@Heldermaior]

+CrazyAGamers lucas came up with star wars the movies are better without him.

[@coronagalvez19]

Yet here you are...

[@joshuaprice3965]

And yet here you are leaving a comment......

[@LokrowN]

Pretty sure Andy has no taste in film.

[@haroldhernandez1560]

The point of the show is to argue and exaggerate while proving a point. Hence defending how good Airbender was. The hate towards Andy is extream at this point. We all have that one friend that speaks over people time to time

[@LokrowN]

Harold Hernandez The argument that Dan sounds old, or is too much of a film snob or that lazy writing is okay because every other film does it are not just exaggeration. They're arguments of someone who holds film to no standard and disses those who do and it promotes the dumbing down of audiences and consequently of the content. He's not playing the Devil's Advocate, if he had then maybe it would have been acceptable. But as an argument for his opinion, it's just speaks to his lack of taste.

[@LokrowN]

MizzReyRey I said nothing about your opinion. Liking a movie has nothing to do with its quality. And moviefights isn't about opinions because opinions are undebatable. It's about arguments and taste. And from Andy's arguments, I conclude he has no taste and is happy to keep getting the same shit served to him because it has cool names. How ironic is it that if you liked the movie it's all about your opinion but if I disliked it it's because I'm too hard to please and not because the film had so many flaws?

[@angryreaper9336]

why? cause he liked the movie? snobs love to rip on something others like cause it doesnt fit into their godly opinion of what movies should be. sode off

[@LokrowN]

Reaper Gt500 Wanting a movie to be good isn't being a snob. Being a standardless consumer of anything with a brand on it isn't pushing cinema forward. I don't want every DC film to be some lowest common denominator bullshit of Snyderism. I want them to be good and do justice to the characters I love and grew up with.

[@Saber0003]

Dan tore Suicide Squad apart. Pretty much every complaint I had with the movie, he brought up. Perfectly said man.

[@IsaacV24]

Saber0003 Dan is the king of making great arguments.

[@HUMFREX]

Dans the man, shut up and let him talk Andy

[@HUMFREX]

Not a posse. I don't regularly watch this show, but Dan usually has a good argument. Had a hard time hearing it here though . Do you see the problem now? Interrupting and talking over your opponent to piss him off really isn't debating anything.

[@sunjiklee]

- "possy" - Referring to one person as a posse Double fail

[@sunjiklee]

As annoying as it is, it's a valid debate tactic. How do you think Donald Trump got so far? ;)

[@TheToshark]

and that's exactly the problem. You just cant watch talkshows with politics ever. Always the same shit like this. Stopping the opponent to get his points across by speaking louder then him, doesnt make a great discussion. Countering the points of your opponent is, what makes a great disussion and is also the only way, how discussions can have a succesful result. You don't get a good compromise or the best solution by just shouting at each other. to summarize it. Just because politics to it, because it works, doesn't mean its a discussion process that should be used.

[@isaacleoon]

Andy shouldn't be allowed to participate... as a fighter he's as annoying as Max Landis, and I hate Max Landis

[@anhedoniac6390]

+timber scout he knows his shit, I think he's great in the speed rounds as he has to put it in a few words. Andy Pissed me off at first but it's all in good fun so no point getting mad. Spencer is a great host.

[@anhedoniac6390]

+Curtis Boland I will add Spencer need to stop the unfairness a bit more, maybe that's why Andy could get away with it when he himself would stop others from doing the same.

[@anhedoniac6390]

timber scout absolutely, I'd take his movie (even tho he said he'd change a lot of it to make it better) over what we got from BvS.

[@TheAlphawolf6]

Max Landis is actually a really good fighter, in my opinion, he has super intellectual responses and isn't nearly as interruptive as Andy.

[@julianwelton]

I like Max Landis but whether you like him or not you have to admit that he's, at least, a smart fighter whereas Andy is like an eight year old, yelling, interrupting people mid sentence repeatedly, isn't articulate at all, and etc. Don't like him as a judge and can't stand him as a competitor.

[@lilwiley10]

Tbh, y'all should've put the tomato on Will Smith's head. Since he's the "Fresh" Prince, okay I'll leave now.

[@AnInternetUser1]

Now this is a story all about how...

[@ssdestroyah3919]

lol

[@SuperShanko]

Nah, he's Uncle Phil now. I'm just waiting for the eventual TV show.

[@genkyo6]

+Robo Cop my life got turned upside down...

[@mrbushido6823]

Ba-dum-Tsss

[@EricksonGaming]

I've always sort of rolled my eyes at the way Dan fights but I've never agreed more with him than I did with the Suicide Squad fight. I know Andy is supposed to defend his side to the ends of the earth to win, but he was trying too hard to stump Dan over silly little things, because he was fully aware Dan was absolutely right.

[@jaywizz17]

100%

[@suckieduckie]

interesting, I always think spencer and Dan have the most pleasant style of arguing

[@EricksonGaming]

Yeah I like Spencer. After this video, I enjoy watching Dan fight too haha. But he can come off a little arrogant at times which is what bothered me about him.

[@suckieduckie]

Erickson Gaming true but at the very least he does one of the least shouting and he usually lets other finish their argument. And I think most importantly for me he doesn't try to twist the opponents argument in the worst possible way, which is Max's tactic.

[@EricksonGaming]

Very true

[@choleslaw9286]

Someone make a playlist of all the movie fights without Andy

[@KnuckleHunkybuck]

You

[@browniebizzle]

+KnuckleHunkybuck 😂😂😂

[@SpirusOfH]

+KnuckleHunkybuck absolute mad lad

[@UItraVice]

Andy has "My opinion matters over fact" kind of logic.

[@UItraVice]

+American Film Club But as a movie critic, you cant accept trash just because it was fun. That means movies like "The Room" would be classified as good....

[@billsanders29]

The facts are the David Ayer had 6 weeks to write it, the studio was heavily involved, and they got the trailer company to make a re-edit of it because thats how desperate they were. And it all showed. HEAVILY. Not sure how anyone could even argue that.

[@Alecfisher01]

UItraVice lol trash that is a financial success. That my friend is not trash. If its a financial success than that sounds pretty damn good

[@chalkywong2149]

Spencer is sooo underrated. He was a fantastic judge in this episode!

[@ugle118]

He was great but anyone is better than Andy

[@julianwelton]

+Bret Sheeley That's got to be the funniest murder joke I've ever read on KZbin, and that's saying something!

[@anthonyporras938]

Yeah.......don't let Andy in movie fights anymore.

[@elpaco25]

Could 2016 be the year Screen Junkies finally Zukerberg's Andy? one can only hope.

[@danielebowman]

That!

[@anthonyporras938]

elpaco25 wow lol!

[@ANT96-x8d]

Marvel should do Legion of Monsters in order to compete with DC's Suicide Squad!

[@OpticalArxenal]

They'd win by default then...

[@rafafr9]

Poor Dan, only one with notions of how a movie works...

[@splitsseconds9965]

Well at least they did not defeat enchantres by dancing.

[@nard96bb]

thats cause she was doing all the dancing

[@shritanvarma8105]

+KilgraveMadeMeDoIt lol just what I was going to say

[@chukwubuikemewelike2028]

+KilgraveMadeMeDoIt Lol

[@sabinea.4532]

really don't understand THAT complain...that dance scene was soo in line with the rest of the movie and in character...it was so charming and funny and then they used friendship to defeat the big bad thus completing their journey to become a family. so weird that ppl pick that moment to complain about.

[@virgilbarrios3174]

+Sabine A. Your talking about Guardians of the Galaxy?

[@AchimaelProductions]

Man, Dan is such a great fighter. Even when I do not agree with him, I find myself leaning toward his argument.

[@krisj827]

Me too. He does know how to argue. 😊

[@averyhinks1799]

Dan is very correct.

[@averyhinks1799]

The first half hour of the movie is literally just boring exposition dump over montages, flashbacks, songs, and gross flashy text all horribly edited together. Not a single character is compelling or interesting. Every single joke and punch line falls flat, especially from Harley and The Joker, ironically. And characters like Slipknot and Katana are there just because, or to simply be used as a plot device. Enchantress is horribly written and performed, nothing about her motivation is interesting. The reason for the Squad to exist doesn't even make sense, because how many of those characters do you think could actually go against Superman? And why not just call Batman or The Flash, characters Amanda Waller had obviously had connections to in the past? This movie is nothing. It doesn't even have anything to say. It's hardly even a movie.

[@averyhinks1799]

The movie isn't even fun. Not only does fun not mean good, jokes and good songs don't mean fun, especially when they're poorly integrated.

[@Larry_Sportello]

''snob''? Does that mean I have to like SHIT or else I'm not normal? It wasn't funny at ALL. Bill Murray is funny. some people are funny but David Ayer is anything but that. A script written in 6 weeks you could tell...what a fuckin cringe-fest. If you laughed and like it then how bout I turn the phrase and say you're ''Too easy to please'' ?...

[@MrLochnload]

I think a lot of people are coming SS to BvS. So compared to BvS, SS is a lot more fun and has some funny parts. Compare SS to something like Civil War and suddenly it doesn't seem so fun or funny.

[@Marxmiin_Eye]

No by "snob" she means people bandwagon highly anticipated films, and start to dribble minutia about what works and doesn't as if they're view of it is somehow coming from a Objective place. When really they mean the movie didn't do what they had hoped it would. Proof of this is in Dan's Pitch.

[@AllieFettig]

Dan totally kicked ass in the first argument.

[@screenjunkies]

It's Jurassic World all over again! Watch as Dan and I get HEATED over #SuicideSquad - where I finally turn full heel!! Enjoy the fireworks - you can see more on #AfterTheFight including a bonus fight using the two bad movies we didn't pull from the cup... Spoiler Alert - we're all still friends :) ✌🏻️& ❤️ @andysignore

[@stefanfilipovits9221]

Question for next time: biggest "holy crap, I need a shower!" Movie of all time?

[@slandersir7255]

Yes!

[@zacroper3577]

The fanboys are going to be marching on this video like Uruk Hai on Helms Deep.

[@ty_teynium]

to share my experience with the channel, I have not seen the movie, BUT I DID want to see a DCEU movie succeed. if it didn't live up to expectations, I blame it on the mess it picks up from BVS. With that said, Id like to say that, despite the movie not being all that great, I disagree with Andy respectfully. I have seen many comic book movies and I think that though they might take graphic novel based cinema to a new different level, it may not matter as long as it's a good story makes sense. Suicide may not be too bad, (or not?) but that doesn't mean it has to be the dark knight, or Guardians of the galaxy. many movies have HUGE ensembles and worked well, so Im sorry Andy, just because they put in small cameos here and there with the characters all bundled up, does not mark a good movie, ocean's eleven has eleven people. ELEVEN! The Hateful Eight had EIGHT! so with this said, I'll still go see this movie, but I can safely presume that a movie like this CAN work as DCEU's own guardians, or oceans eleven. It may not be dark knight knight oscar buzz-worthy, but it can be as good as much as the graphic novel fans appreciate and accept, and as far as movie nitpicks (like myself) will be left thinking "okay, that movie makes sense".

[@ty_teynium]

+Ty teynium basically, the movie Can refer to the grittiness and dark comic book humor, and still make sense with good plot.

[@firefly4f4]

Arg, Andy defending Will Smith - that's a problem. He's NOT playing Deadshot, he's playing Will Smith. It's entirely wrong for that character.

[@IIIhenriqueIII]

so true

[@jaywizz17]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT!

[@waltermelon2841]

Yup....Deadshot is nothing more but Fresh Prince with guns in this movie.

[@luisrawr9566]

DEAD SHOT ACTS LIKE WILL SMITH HAVE YOU SEEN WILL SMITH MOVIES LIKE MUHAMMAD ALI OR AFTER EARTH HE DOESN'T ACT LIKE WILL SMITH WILL SMITH CAN ACT

[@kaijud3941]

Luis Rawr Those aren't 90s summer blockbuster movies and if that's who your impression of what "generic Will Smith" is like then you obviously haven't seen enough Will Smith to make that argument in the first place

[@ViktorNamuh]

I love me some Hal Rudnick, but Dan Murrell gained a fan today.

[@Moonfired]

Two fans

[@prettzx]

AND MY AXE!

[@Dan-qu3gz]

2 time screen junkies champ. Fair and knowledgeable.

[@chemical32]

Hearing someone defend Suicide Squad is alomst as painful as watching Suicide Squad.

[@Whawpenshaw]

Andy Signore is the worst fighter.

[@Whawpenshaw]

Seriously that first fight against Dan is so bad. He's just being a dick and doing everything he can to get under Dan's skin and not even trying to have a legitimate debate.

[@britbot1117]

Loved it when Hal shat on him after the robin Willian's round

[@kaijud3941]

To be fair Dan had absolutely no decent complaint whatsoever.

[@Whawpenshaw]

I'm not saying Dan had the stronger argument or that Andy had a bad argument, I'm saying Andy spends his time as a judge with "based on the arguments!" and then when he gets in the ring he just goads Dan constantly. The hypocrisy is frustrating to watch. I think the final few fights Andy did "clean up his act" so to speak. I thought he did his best in the speed round. Overall though he definitely makes a better host than a fighter.

[@kaijud3941]

Whawpenshaw I agree.

[@somethingfishy925]

so andy's style of argueing is just talking over the top of everyone? thank god he usually hosts!!

[@harrisonabbott6058]

Dan's sequel pitch was genuinely great. It's the first time someone's been pitching on this show and I've genuinely wanted to know where it was going. When they were hurrying him along I was honestly thinking that I needed to know how this ends and as well as that he seriously managed to develop the characters really well in just a couple of minutes. I'd be super excited for that film (provided it made room for some action sequences)

[@harrisonabbott6058]

Although they'd need to sort Leto's Joker out first, because I really wouldn't want a film centred around that character as he is.

[@Troygdesign]

yeah, less is more, keeping the scope small is better to tell the story of the squad.

[@Troygdesign]

That one was the best!!!

[@OsakaSun333]

Yeah. Love how Dan actually developed a touching and detailed story that leaves room for conflict and screen time for all the characters, and then the first thing Andy says is "I want the Suicide Squad in SPACE." I laughed out loud!

[@Troygdesign]

Yeah Andy wanted crazy space stuff.

[@Matteal12]

Wooow! Dan got really pissed off in the first round! :O

[@kostajovanovic3711]

Who wouldn't

[@mingthemerciless834]

Probably one of the main reasons why I still watch Movie Fights

[@mikemcklieve]

I thought i hate Andy being judge, but damn i was damn wrong. He cant even fight properly. He gave good point but the against argument really bad

[@mikemcklieve]

The only reason why DC use darker tone is too cover all the holes since they only make their movies just for look good on trailer. CHECKMATE

[@JGWalrus]

He's fine as a judge.

[@gamesseg]

He doesn't make me want to have a discussion with him. He doesn't let others talk.

[@taylorbeckett9686]

The first battle is how friendships are killed.

[@m.c4847]

Three things that ruin friendships Religion Politics Marvel vs DC fandom

[@AdrianEN]

+Melvin Carter And Mario Party

[@haytijr5823]

+Melvin Carter true

[@user-uy1rg8td1v]

+Emperor Swagatine It's probably for the best. I wouldn't able to trust anybody who thought the prequels were better than the OT.

[@drakefaden1464]

Another divisive DC entry that we have to argue whether it's good or bad. I don't pay $15 a ticket plus snacks for another so-so movie. I want them to at least be overall good.

[@KhanMann66]

Warner Bros don't know what the fuck they're doing.

[@CuddyTG]

That's why you sneak snacks in

[@dorkofmylife]

Hahahahahha so did u like the movie or not.

[@LoN3wOlF5tudi0s]

Torrent or Putlocker it.

[@xDarkwish]

I was also really disappointed with the movie, but if you look up on reddit the scenes that were deleted, it makes me sad cause it seemed like it should have been a good movie. Warner Bros seemed to have edited it too much to try to make everyone happy.

[@txcforever]

I don't get why Andy insisted on DC taking a risk with the movie. It's probably the most safe project they had going. The team was well known from the DC fans (even fans of the Arrow series knew of the Suicide Squad), they placed a few A list actors in it (Will Smith and Jarred Leto), they hinted on Batman being in the movie and most important of all... they knew this formula will work because of Guardians of the Galaxy. A movie about a team of misfits coming together to save the world while a funky uplifting soundtrack plays in the background was already made and it was very successful, so the risk (with decent promotion) was minimal.

[@mr.e3768]

don't forget all the stuff they ripped off from Deadpool... (lol reshoots.)

[@txcforever]

Mr. E Well except from the characters almost everything is ripped from something. The beam shooting to the sky that threatens to destroy the world, the army that is disabled when the final baddie gets defeated, is basically straight from the final act of the Avengers,

[@mr.e3768]

Yep, DC's got some good material its too bad they wouldn't use their own ideas..

[@Gvvm15]

Guardians was so much better, they did it right

[@IAMAWAKE456]

Andy is the worst fighter to ever be on this show, PLEASE STOP

[@IAMAWAKE456]

he is inarticulate, repetitive and sulks more than Dan

[@DiamondDuke614]

Agreed, he should stick to moderating.

[@GannerRhysode]

The way he looks when he thinks he's made a point or caught Dan is so annoying

[@clericjin]

Hal sounded like Heath Ledger's joker for a moment there @ 27:32

[@rohanshirumalla626]

yeah thats the point

[@adamwinstanley994]

😂😂😂HE DOES😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@XxRavenwishxX]

Not able to actually hear any of Dan's arguments because Andy keeps saying "whats rotten" and screaming thinking that that is how debating works.

[@XxRavenwishxX]

What's snobbish is saying "You don't understand the movie." No the plot does not work. None of them act like villains, and none of the main characters die, it is not a suicide squad.

[@BenM.Davies]

Dan getting angry is scary... can no one ever piss him off, please.

[@RGutz90]

This debate destroys friendships

[@martinmanicparkes267]

Also a lot of subscriptions.........

[@sevenbillion2521]

+Martin Manic Parkes Anyone that unsubscribes over a differing opinion on a movie is an idiot.

[@LA-kw2il]

Am I the only one that liked Batman V Superman AND Suicide Squad... They aren't perfect, but way more enjoyable than Transformers, iron man 3, the Thor movies etc...

[@Dylan-pz2mz]

me too

[@francobonechi8161]

You aren't the only one 😉

[@piercehorizon6105]

I agree, I liked both

[@elizabongwater]

Suicide squad is transformers level bad.

[@wadewilson8924]

Not so bad ass of a movie based on villains. The trailer made it seem like it was gonna be a hard of 13 but it had just any many quips and forgettable villains as a bad marvel movie. Silly puddy monsters and all

[@ghinafadhila]

I'm 99% on board with Dan on Suicide Squad, except for the Joker part. I like Jared's Joker and he should play his character more to let his version of the Joker shine. It's not fair to judge him as a whole yet.

[@ghinafadhila]

Also if I ever got The Last Airbender and had to defend that movie, consider me forfeiting.

[@nemoe3768]

+Nabila Ghina Fadhila I'd walk off the show. Defending that movie is a set up for failure.

[@mimyo09]

I liked what Leto did in Suicide Squad and I'm excited to see more of him. It's a fresh portrayal of the movie version of Joker. Really curious about how it will go with Batman in a full movie.

[@domingomonjarassalazar2039]

Totally agree!

[@mchlfx]

The only problem with Leto's Joker was that he was too much of a nice guy. It's jarring to see a Joker who comes off like a serial killer but also saves his girlfriend's life three time... like wtf? Is he sociopathic and psychotic? Is he misunderstood and compassionate? The movie didn't seem to know who their Joker was supposed to be.

[@josegustavocruzbonilla]

What the hell is wrong with andy?

[@bellmsky]

+rick mcmillan I don't hate him but I had to give you thumb up for making me laugh. Lol

[@LeoP2008]

I'd give you a list but Andy would just talk over me before I can get to "#1"

[@josegustavocruzbonilla]

Not talking about his opinion is how he regards others Is my concern..but this so old I stopped worrying

[@xtina2189]

He's a sexual deviant.

[@ryderfletcher8670]

behind Dan you see Justin timberlake on the poster and he looks exactly like Dan

[@FatumAlpha]

Yeah, that was the point, they tried to cast Screenjunkies. :D

[@ryderfletcher8670]

+fatupha oh yeah now I see

[@emitouzumaki2822]

Lol 😂

[@Akuma07]

I wish someone had a list of the "screen junkies" poster behind them. Like who's Bruce Willis and will sasso playing?

[@mlacey2000]

+Michael Yango Will Sasso is playing Jon Bailey who does the voice for honest trailers.

[@kellydavis6243]

I liked Suicide Squad, it just wasn't what I expected... It turned out to be a more mindless action flick than what I thought I was going to get from the trailers, which looked like a gritty dark film that will show interesting themes, maybe more like a Nolan DC film... And I thought David Ayer would pull it off... Loved End of Watch, Training Day and Fury... But for some reason this was just an action flick... I still thoroughly enjoyed the film, I just wished they advertised the film to be more of purely just another action film, with a one dimensional villain etc... Imagine the film "Fast 6" was the first film in the fast and furious franchise, and we didn't know what the film franchise was yet... and they produced dark trailers that looked gritty and with deep plot story lines... and then you see the film and realise it was just a pure action flick.. very fun but that's not what they advertised us... A lot of people would be upset... That's what I think happened with Suicide Squad.

[@sabinea.4532]

+Gary Turbo ppl didn't complain about the 'dark' tone but about the incomprehensible plot and characters' motivation as well as horrible editing and CGI end battle. The tone is not the problem although I personally don't think that dark feats Superman at all but thats the least of the movie's problems

[@sabinea.4532]

+Sabine A. fits

[@Danielsmalls]

If Dan didn't win the Suicide Squad fight I was going to go on a murderous rampage

[@slaugmromni6743]

Dan Murrell > Andy Signore. Always.

[@IsaacV24]

Jordan Schummer Dan is better than Andy? In other words, the sky is blue.

[@josephbarron6778]

Especially now.

[@m.livera4615]

God I hate when Dan gets all heated up. He gets so angry and personal and it's so pathetic. The dude knows his shit, but Jesus calm down.

[@voltron736]

Seriously, he's a sensitive little baby sometimes. I think he wins most of the time because Andy doesn't want him to go home and cry.

[@Army1601]

Could you blame him this time though? Andy is asshole, plain and simple

[@charlieclifton-brown3729]

well Andy just tries to wind him up and interrupts and is quite rude, Dan tries to get Spencer to let him talk, but he has to get angry to get a word in edgeways

[@gav4552]

To be fair, I'll also get mad when someone keeps spouting the same shit over and over again without giving me room to prove a point.

[@RDLPunk14]

well he's dealing with a manchild that likes to yell over his voice so he's kinda justified

[@achaoPSG]

"Suicide Squad: Rotten or Fresh? - MOVIE FIGHTS!!" Better than the actual movie lol. Anyways, Andy Signore is very childish here. 60% is a terrible score, regardless of the Rotten Tomatoes.

[@krystalschrand4256]

I agree. Andy was being a jerk this fight. He wasn't giving Dan room to argue his point. Andy was just getting loud and trying to talk over Dan the whole round. It actually made me turn this off for a while.

[@FreakieFan]

Andy was right though, 60 is fresh and it isnt a terrible score....

[@elizabongwater]

+Lt. Col. Frank Slade except Dan clearly said he wasn't going by rotten tomatoes, he said 60 as in a D -, that's almost an F not a fresh on rotten tomatoes according to how Dan was doing it, Andy doesn't get to just take control of Dan's thinking and say his 60 has to be on the rotten tomatoes scale.

[@DrAndyShick]

However, the 60 does pertain to the aggregated number of passes, not individual scores. A single score of 60 actually WOULD equate to a single rotten review. However, if 60% of the critics were to give the movie of 70% or higher (or an equivalent grade using other systems), then it is fresh (though not certified)

[@pabloocariz6725]

+brennon musso (pulp50) D- is a passing grade

[@yramrodriguez9442]

Why does everyone hates Andy? I like how energetic he is, although sometimes he interrupts too much.

[@lokuzt]

I like his energy as well, but he is constantly and blatantly making intentional interruptions which halts all discussion. He knows Dan looses it, and uses this instead of good arguments based on solid logic. Passion is good, but not the best way to win a movie fight.

[@glitchsample]

He insists early on that Dan doesn't understand a comic book movie and then intentionally chooses to ignore and shout over all of Dan's arguments because he knows they're thought out and well built. It's really shitty.

[@alijoc]

The way he interrupts is not even to correct a point or justify his oppinions. It was to ge under Dan's skin which was riling dan up ALOT at the very end. It was rather disrespectful debate i must say

[@xPosumx]

Andy could say the most honest, intelligent and believable arguments and I still wouldn't agree because of his attitude.

[@KathyClysm]

The reason I agree with Dan is because I don't think being fun is an excuse for being stupid. We have already (somewhat) collectively agreed that that is not true when we decided that Michael Bay is horrible. Without a story, it doesn't matter if the performances are fun because you don't give a shit about them. Without a good story, it doesn't matter if the movie is pretty (BvS is the best example). And I hope we can all stop excusing movies that don't even try because otherwise we will be stuck with 90% of all movies being shitty and requiring the viewer to have the IQ of a stone to be able to ignore the massive problems in the plot lines - especially in comic book movies. The thing is, these movies are based on perfect stories, some of which so iconic they have influenced other genres as well.

[@Mr3Machine]

Poor Andy, imagine being him and looking at these comments XD

[@Mr3Machine]

Ok thats a pretty solid retort

[@ThePhrozenOne]

ROFL

[@bamguilani3698]

Wow, they lost a lot of viewers since that whole Screen Junkies Plus started. They should've stayed true to their roots.

[@elpaco25]

They probably made a bit of dough from it though. What if it caught on and they became millionaires and then used that money to make great content for us all to enjoy. Can you really blame them?

[@bamguilani3698]

Or we're doing what-ifs? Then what if Zuckerberg made FaceBook a paid service and fell to the side by a better free website instead of becoming a billionaire?

[@indranemty]

you do realize zuckerberg makes buckets of money from our data right? also, creating content isn't the same thing as what he did with facebook

[@mabusestestament]

Yeah how is Plus doing, actually? I can't imagine a lot of people subcribing to that. Are they breakng even with it at this point?

[@Aviex99]

I personally subscribed to Plus for 'watching thrones' when GoT was coming out weekly.

[@christiansyversen3935]

Andy should be judging, the look from Dan when they high five says it all...

[@marcgalvan9360]

i'm having Jurassic World flashbacks.

[@dorkofmylife]

That movie was dope.

[@jakegetscake4672]

+Diana Gonzalez he means when they argued about Jurassic world

[@htimsnedaj4839]

I actually really enjoyed Jurassic World, and I'm looking forward to what's in store for the franchise.

[@marcgalvan9360]

exactly. these casuals clueless

[@thebus1020]

I think this was worse than the Jurassic World fight

[@CuddyTG]

a D got me a high school diploma and Andy won

[@CuddyTG]

the first fight

[@DrAndyShick]

a single D or a series of D's?

[@CuddyTG]

a single D but I could've gotten all D's and still graduated

[@DrAndyShick]

in which county and state was that?

[@CuddyTG]

in good 'ol Los Angeles California

[@justin33.44]

Who else clicked like on all the negative comments about Andy?

[@juliusveihelmann6228]

Andy acts and arguments like a 3 year-old. really embarassing.

[@ForNoneOther]

Suicide Squad is an okay superhero movie; on par with the average marvel flick. So a 6ish out of 10 i guess. Questionable pacing, shots and music execution leave me curious as to what was left on the cuttingroom floor. Several of the removed or altered scenes- like a much more abusive Joker hurt this film a lot. Rocky character introduction. Slipknot doesn't even get a flashback and promptly dies. Go figure. Deadshot's daughter's acting and the xbox360 quality cgi used for Enchantress' brother were both standout bad. But overall fine movie. SS was no worse than any of the other movies of it's genre people spew praise over. Nothing to applaud, but didn't feel like the film insulted the characters or me in the audience. Even as a defender of this film, goodness I hate Andy's arguments. I may not agree with all of Dan's criticisms, but at least I feel like he's trying to come from a logical thought out place ...And humorously we'd both give it a similar score.

[@jackbrannon9522]

You deserve top comment for that Xbox 360 statement stop on my man.

[@mordirit8727]

For me it was DC's Thor 1, nothing to write home about but certainly enjoyable and entertaining, by far my favourite DC movie so far.

[@andrewholt9029]

Honestly, it deserves an 8. It has bad development, and jumbled storyline. But let's be honest, those action scenes and characters make up more than enough of its flaws! Please don't hate, this is just my opinion

[@haroldhernandez1560]

Croc was fucking terrible in this film IMO. He was funny, but was shit compared to how great he is. Deadshot couldve been more of a bad person. All in all, Harley was done great. Only bad part was Harleys script and dialouge

[@DiamondDuke614]

I disagree, sir. This film isn't even as good as Marvel's worst film. Which is Thor: The Dark World, in my opinion.

[@muro_gamingg]

Yes this movie has some problems but It does not deserve a 27% on RT. I even saw a article saying Suicide Squad "Worst Summer movie Ever". Really WTF?! it deserves a 70% on RT. I had fun with this movie. I saw 2x (IMAX) and well honestly this is the most fun I had in this movie since Deadpool. 7/10 You should definitely check this movie it. And yes My audience also was crazy. When Batman came out they lost their shit. search up Suicide Squad audience reaction and everyone said It was a good movie and rate it 7/10 - 8/10. This movie is bad if you really go into the movies guts. Overall see the movie. 💕 I'm excited for Justice League DC. most fun I had since Deadpool. 7/10 70%/100%

[@muro_gamingg]

Yee

[@muro_gamingg]

Preach

[@muro_gamingg]

❤

[@muro_gamingg]

+Matt The Avengers always has a big fight scene at the end 😱 No shit. Suicide Squad is like other movies. and yes RT has a rating to 100 and it's a 26%. Just search up Modesto News and you'll see what people really thought

[@raw7504]

I agree it doesn't deserve a 27% RT but it's not good enough to be 70% it should have a 39% and dead pool was a bad movie it was a cheesy movie

[@SiyabongaAfrica]

Seeing Dan tearing Andy apart brings me too much joy.

[@Dinobot2]

Wait...Dan didn't get a rebuttal in the Eastwood vs. Gibson speedround question...

[@doilan69]

Finally someone that understands how SHIT the villain was in this film, what a waste of time and money especially as I had high hopes for it

[@zeke1707]

She was just hula dancing the whole God damn movie.

[@BenyaminLorit]

It was those high hopes that betrayed you. I think most people disappointed with this film was because of mismanaged expectations because it's not as bad as most people make it seem. Also, if the villain was so great, they should have at least shown him/her in the trailers so yeah it was kind of expected.

[@TheBleachj16]

I had no expectations and still disliked it. So there goes that theory

[@iqpok]

Yeah, I don't think that was any surprise revelation

[@kaijud3941]

Still light years ahead of Ronan and Malekith

[@WMICx]

if i directed it i would've taken note from hitchcock & have slipknot casted by some really big name, have killer crocs story developed more of a sympathetic character & remove leto from all marketing

[@WMICx]

& when boomerang walked out the bar remove him from the rest of the film

[@dragonbreath9957]

I thought it would've been funny to have a scene where the squad are all looking at Enchantress and the camera pans and Boomerang says something like "I didn't know where the fuck to go in all this mess" or something and then he runs again after they kill Enchantress, but gets caught off screen and the next time he's seen is when he's dragged to his cell screaming, which I think is when he's seen next anyway.

[@Biblewoman25]

Dan should be a writer and director of Suicide squad 2. I like his pitch. It makes me want to watch his movie.

[@hi_paulhere86]

A much simpler time.. I miss this.. I still find myself watching these. Screen junkies fan 4 life!

[@slifer875]

It was an editing mess, but it wasn't horrible or bad as men of steel or BvS, but is not great or good at all, just okay.

[@Ericeatshtx]

neither of them films you just named was bad tho....

[@slifer875]

6ft Eric as somebody that reads DC comics and loves DC animation, i can tell you the DCCU doesn't understand his characters.

[@CartoonGamers23]

+6ft Eric he is just a marvel fanbox who thinks every dc movie is bad

[@takisguy7]

+slifer875 I thought it was too The action and atmosphere of the whole movie was fun, the climax was cheesy and generic, and the dialogue sucked ass. The performances were incredible though so it was pretty alright

[@jaybizzle1995]

+slifer875 called character arcs bruh

[@Dikastes]

Wow, shut up Andy. Stop talking over Dan when he's mid-point.

[@shelbym531]

This is a rant about Suicide Squad, just keep scrolling... Saw Suicide Squad last night. Film lovers should study it on what NOT to do. DC Studio execs need to stop rushing films out (or being involved creatively in ANYTHING). I would have left the theatre if I wasn't with two friends. Fans of comics deserve better. Just because an average fan may not pick up how bad a movie is doesn't give a studio the right to crap on a movie's potential. This movie actually made me angry at the DCEU. I study films and this may be the last DCEU movie I watch. Boring as hell, edited to oblivion: 1. There is a part where they do a flashback to a scene you have already seen, for no reason. 2.Harley Quinn throws a gun to Deadshot when he has 2 guns ON HIS ARMS. 3. Captain Boomerang is told he is free to go and sprints out the room only for him to return to the group in the next scene without explanation. 4. They show a guard give a phone to Harley but no reason why until 30 minutes later in the film. 5. Every new scene needed a pop song (which went against the tone) even when the scene was supposed to be tense. 6. The one-liners are (aside from one instance) super cringey. 7. The villain is a direct reason why Suicide Squad shouldn't be a thing. She used to be on the team and escaped. Then the government agent sends the team she was supposed to be part of to kill her. Government should have said "Um, no. You"ve done enough making this situation happen. " 8. The plot is garbage. They spend several scenes entering a building that, because of how it was edited, we have no reason why they are entering. Helicopters get shot out of the sky by NOTHING (they do not show what is firing at them). And the Joker, for all his time on screen, does absolutely nothing for furthering the plot. He's just... there. 9. The final fight should have ended in seconds goes on because they make the antagonists suddenly incompetent. What killed a full group of armored guys with guns in 1 minute can't kill half a group of armored guys with guns in 15 minutes. This movie is such a bad joke, the Joker would put a bullet in it without even a grin.

[@shelbym531]

Domenic Serena's opinion :)

[@blakebishop1778]

Obviously captain boomerang came back to help the team he became apart of

[@WheatY0]

+blake bishop he shouldn't have left in the first place. I didn't even notice it in the movie my first time seeing it, but he is right, it makes no sense at all lol. It was put in purely for the joke of him leaving

[@snipegrzywa]

"2.Harley Quinn throws a gun to Deadshot when he has 2 guns ON HIS ARMS." Cause, you know, he had alredy shot a million rounds at that point. No way he was out of ammo . . . "3. Captain Boomerang is told he is free to go and sprints out the room only for him to return to the group in the next scene without explanation." He was part of the comedy . . . It was in his character to immediately leave once he was free to go . . . but he's boomerang, so he came back . .. "4. They show a guard give a phone to Harley but no reason why until 30 minutes later in the film." They showed the Joker mesing with the guard, then he says something about Joker or boyfriend or something when he hands it to her . . . its not that hard. And if you DIDN"T show it, you would argue where she got the phone later on. "5. Every new scene needed a pop song (which went against the tone) even when the scene was supposed to be tense." The type of movie they wanted, the music works. This isn't some Oscar drama movie . . . "7. The villain is a direct reason why Suicide Squad shouldn't be a thing. She used to be on the team and escaped. Then the government agent sends the team she was supposed to be part of to kill her. Government should have said "Um, no. You"ve done enough making this situation happen. "" The fact that there was an instance to use them so close to them forming IS a reason to have them. If it wasn't enchantress, it would have been another meta human. The ONLY reason Suicide Squad exist is to allow a response to a threat WITHOUT getting any of the good guys in trouble for the collateral damage that exists from purely having meta humans fight. 8. The plot is garbage. They spend several scenes entering a building that, because of how it was edited, we have no reason why they are entering. Helicopters get shot out of the sky by NOTHING (they do not show what is firing at them). And the Joker, for all his time on screen, does absolutely nothing for furthering the plot. He's just... there. Joker is there soley for the Harley arc. To understand her, you need to know the backstory. If she didn't think he was dead, she would NOT have joined the team in teh final fight. Her thinking he is dead allows herself to go all in with the SUicide Squad.

[@mordirit8727]

I'd like to refute some of those (albeit I have to say I doubt you study filmography, considering the order of the things you had issue with, much less about technique than you might think): *1. There is a part where they do a flashback to a scene you have already seen, for no reason.* Perhaps you could say what part it was, because maybe some people understood the reason. *2.Harley Quinn throws a gun to Deadshot when he has 2 guns ON HIS ARMS.* If you are talking about the two automatic pistols, he had literally just finished emptying their clips before the Enchantress took their weapons off, which was exactly why she didn't bother taking them. *3. Captain Boomerang is told he is free to go and sprints out the room only for him to return to the group in the next scene without explanation.* A great point. It was a bad flow decision, made solely for the "Boomerangs always come back" little joke. I got the joke and it made me laugh, but it still stands that it was a dent in the movie flow, even if it was a so obviously purposeful one. *4. They show a guard give a phone to Harley but no reason why until 30 minutes later in the film.* No, they don't. They show a guard who we just saw being kidnapped and threatened by the Joker give her a phone and say "It's from your boyfriend". First thing that happens after that is the guard begging her to put up a good word about him with the Joker when she meets him, which first implies he'll try to rescue her during the mission. The thing that *literally* happens as soon as that finishes is the Joker texting Harley that he is coming for her. All the reasons you could possibly want to understand that phone are on screen within the 30 seconds before and after the phone is introduced. *5. Every new scene needed a pop song (which went against the tone) even when the scene was supposed to be tense.* Which was against the tone? Every song had a message correlation with the scene that was taking place, which will be a huge bummer for non-English speaking audiences (watched with 3 friends, only one of who also speaks English, and we had a lot of fun later narrating to them the words of some of the songs in the scenes and seeing how they were amazed at how well it fit together). I can't think of a moment in this film where the soundtrack *wasn't* in perfect harmony with the imagery, but maybe you could give examples, instead of generalizing it. *7. The villain is a direct reason why Suicide Squad shouldn't be a thing. She used to be on the team and escaped. Then the government agent sends the team she was supposed to be part of to kill her. Government should have said "Um, no. You"ve done enough making this situation happen. "* They would, if they'd known it. They didn't, and that's established. They knew there was a meta-human destroying the city, they had no idea who or what it was. *8. The plot is garbage. They spend several scenes entering a building that, because of how it was edited, we have no reason why they are entering. Helicopters get shot out of the sky by NOTHING (they do not show what is firing at them). And the Joker, for all his time on screen, does absolutely nothing for furthering the plot. He's just... there.* - The building was perhaps the worst plot point of the movie, not because it wasn't explained, but because it was explained in one sentence, so slower thinking people kinda lost it, but they clearly state that they are going to enter the city to rescue a High Value Target who is trapped in a building. It's in the scene where Deathstroke tells Flagg he doesn't "speak good guy". - Yes, they are shot down by nothing, and a few seconds later they are greeted by a huge army. - Why did Harley Quinn join the final bout then? Why was Amanda separated from the Squad prior to her kidnapping? Where did Harley's cellphone come from? That's already more plot points forwarded by the Joker than by Captain Boomerang, who is on screen almost every scene after they assemble. Every other scene he has is setting up Harley. *9. The final fight should have ended in seconds goes on because they make the antagonists suddenly incompetent. What killed a full group of armored guys with guns in 1 minute can't kill half a group of armored guys with guns in 15 minutes. This movie is such a bad joke, the Joker would put a bullet in it without even a grin.* What the hell is "half a group"? ._. The Enchantress clearly gave them a fighting chance to analyse them as possible allies. She had just lost her brother and was in need of people, I thought that was made bloody obvious when she literally said that she liked their fighting power, after showing that she could have rendered them weaponless from the get-go. You claim to dislike the movie because of expertise with cinema but seriously, almost all of your complaints are simply things you didn't understand from either lack of brainpower or attention. You didn't even comment on the horrible pacing of the editing of the Enchantress' escape, the godawful choice of actress for Deathstroke's daughter or the just poor choice of having Katana talk in a different language but still communicate properly for no reason.

[@The2mcool2]

I'm tired of listening people say "There's too many characters, they couldn't develop all of them". My answer is: Guardians of the Galaxy did it.

[@ThePonderer]

So did Age of Ultron and that had like twice as many main characters.

[@kostajovanovic3711]

And mine is 12 angry men

[@mandiroberts6924]

Marcos Teixeira Guardians and Avengers successfully tell stories of distinct individuals finding their places in a team through logic. Suicide Squad's character moments were largely unearned. I believe the worst example of this is Diablo inexplicably declaring SS his family and dying for them.

[@jaxonswove7466]

Marcos Teixeira and suicide squad didnt

[@ciaranmcloughlin7165]

Guardians of the Galaxy did the best job. Age of Ultron developed a fair amount, but not all of them.

[@alvinoszavlis6914]

So that's why Andy never fights...

[@animusvids]

Andy proved that he cannot judge

[@GilbertoPOA]

The bearded guy could be the joker: laughs a lot, says nonsense, use tricks.

[@Aleph-Noll]

yeah hes a real jerk, either way SS was terrible

[@David-oo8yo]

Everyone hating on Andy because he pokes jabs at his friends (something we all do), people need to realize what banter is. Movie Fights is literally just a platform to display as entertainment the various quarrels friends get in after leaving a movie. This is pure fun, I hope people start to chill out and take it less seriously. Going so far as to call someone rude nicknames because they have fun with their friends is quite ridiculous. Also, the people who he's poking fun at know he is just messing around and aren't taking it seriously. Yes, Dan and others may get a bit heated but it's all in pure fun, no one is genuinely annoyed. Most of us can probably call upon a time when you and your friends have gotten "passionate" about something and yelled, doesn't mean there is animosity there. Anyway, this message is literally too long but I ramble haha tldr: calm your shit, enjoy the entertainment and keep watching movies!

[@masterDarts4188]

The saddest thing about this video is when they try to pitch sequel ideas for the Suicide Squad movie. Literally all of their ideas sucked :-/. But watching them act like they had the better idea and putting down the other's was just childish. These are grown men.

[@robertcromack5894]

Dan nearly had half a movie, but he was too hung up on contriving that Harley dramatically betray Joker at the end for some reason... as if that's the most important thing that needs to be focused on and needs the whole movie hijacked in order to do it. :\

[@masterDarts4188]

Robert Cromack yeah the idea of separating Harley from Joker is risky. They keep treating these characters like they're heros. That's the biggest mistake they make. Hell it's the biggest mistake the movie made.

[@masterDarts4188]

***** I don't think this is just a nerd thing to be honest. That being said out Dan's idea was the best. The one guy who wanted them to go in space was sounded like an idiot. And the other dude who sugfrated the Civil War thing sounded way too into Marvel.

[@masterDarts4188]

+tonim that was there biggest mistake. if there was ever a time to pour on the darkness Suicide Squad was it. but they kept trying to make it like Guardians of the Galaxy.

[@xXMapcoXx]

Man all their movies sound like massive turds like holy fuck

[@TheDutzie4ever]

This made me genuinely dislike Andy Signore. What a jerk! Geez, let Dan finish his points. Dan clearly annihilated Andy, but he didn't actually listen to any of his points and instead argued back with personal feelings...

[@TheDutzie4ever]

Thank god Spencer did a very good and OBJECTIVE job with jugding this. He should probably just replace Andy....

[@theblerdyreport1780]

I don't think Dan annihilated Andy at all. They both presented good arguments.

[@bravosix64]

Dan's intro took like 15 mins

[@TheDutzie4ever]

Andy just laughed like a super arrogant jerk and rambled about fun and characters. There was no cohesive argumentation involved. And I don't mean the intro, just throughout the discussion Andy was very interruptive...

[@DRV110]

Andy has terrible taste. He is always defending poor film LOL

[@PhilFromSchool]

poor spencer. i can't help but laugh at him trying to ring that bell to silence them hahahaha

[@BrickBuster2552]

..... Did Andy seriously call Suicide Squad "risky"?!

[@thadarksabley7569]

Ikr

[@WoodBlock707]

How is it not risky?!? SS is DC first movie like involving with a all villian cast

[@WhiteScarf52]

+WoodBlock707 That's the only thing different about it. Everything else is a paint by numbers Superhero movie.

[@BrickBuster2552]

WoodBlock707 An all-villain cast is not fucking risky, it's been done a million times before.

[@WhiteScarf52]

BrickBuster2552 Exactly! WoodBlock707 Guardians of the Galaxy team is made up of outlaws. They break out of prison for pete sake.

[@jp3813]

If Andy was judging, he'd tell people to shut up and let one finish talking. Spencer needs to grow some balls.

[@kaylar.8126]

Pitch the next suicide squad Hal: BATMAN BATMAN AND MORE BATMAN! Dan: The actual good movie in the bunch Andy: Sharknado 3 ME: Dan you better win this -_-

[@drive-incinemapictures1554]

"and for whatever reason they go see enchantress" ....um, because she was destroying the city and building an army?

[@nwilzo]

andy is the rudest, most condescending, patronizing obnoxious person on this show. He's NOT a good judge but please just let him be the judge if it means he never competes again. At least as a judge he exercises the smallest amount of restraint.

[@tonys.2216]

This video wasn't posted on your channel. Followed the link from Andy's twitter account.

[@alexismason419]

same

[@ALEXA_beep]

Dan: "jesus christ, will you let me talk?"

[@athenajaxon2397]

I love how Andy later admitted in another fight that he wasn't that crazy about Suicide Squad

[@sirgnome]

Dan is definitely nitpicking Suicide Squad, it's not nearly as bad as he's saying. Just because it has a generic ending and a poor villain (something that is common in basically every superhero movie, Marvel AND DC) that doesn't mean it's rotten. It was a ton fun movie, the characters had great chemistry, and I can't wait for a sequel.

[@TheBleachj16]

OMG I'm so tired of people's bs excuse for defending this movie. That someone is nitpicking because they're pointing out specific reasons that it didn't work.

[@alexjames8171]

You can literally apply what Andy says to any shit film like the transformers 4.... That's how weak the positives of the film are.

[@AoKGuy47]

+TheBleachj16 Why is it a bs excuse though. He's giving his reasons for liking the movie. it's not fair to say hi opinion is bs.

[@TheBleachj16]

A0K Guy I say its bs because it a constant attitude that people take when defending the movie. "Oh your pointing out the flaws your nitpicking"

[@bradwright9477]

+TheBleachj16 Exactly. I hate how actual critisism is considered "blind hate"

[@9hst3st]

Dan's Suicide Squad pitch was amazing , Andy should stick to moderating

[@frontlinemedic6705]

What does Andy even bring to the table for screenjunkies anymore? He is a crappy host, a crappy fighter and just sits there pretending to know what he's doing and acting important.

[@frontlinemedic6705]

P.S He was a total dick to Dan, Andy knew all Dan's idea's where better than his so he kept trying to shout over him and say his where crap, and I know it's a movie fight and he was trying to win and he could do that but he did it so disrespectfully, no honour!

[@MsPatrickstump]

+Frontline Medic Dan's pitch in Round 2 was great to me, and then it turns to Andy and he calls it boring?! He's just ridiculously rude, you're so right. I cannot stand him. Fuck you and your aliens, Andy, your pitch was utter bullshit.

[@shadax9580]

That 'Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Kodos' shirt is funny. Made me chuckle.

[@57wookie]

Dan was so savage in that first argument

[@57wookie]

Also Max Landis would be the ideal screenwriter for man of steel 2 after reading American Alien, regardless of Director imo

[@NitsujRelis]

andy really gets annoying when he fights. he thinks speaking up over people means his points are more valid.

[@LPChipi]

For the people about to watch this: Warning! Hal Rudnick is here and he is not the loudest one.

[@stoagymahalo5268]

Man, Dan just ripped him apart. You can tell Andy just Lost the Fresh argument. When you start attacking the opposition rather than the argument itself, goes to show who loses a debate first by punching at the other.