Suisei and Toko talks about the difference between Hololive and Nijisanji【Eng Sub】

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[@kairokuys6991]

This leads me back to Hoshikawa's comparison of Niji and Holo staff. Holostaff just smile and let their talents be crazy, while Nijistaff joins the members in being crazy. Nonetheless, it seems to me that both companies have good working environments.

[@HadirUntukAnda]

U never watch polka irl stresms it seems

[@Anima_V]

@@HadirUntukAnda Omapol is just built different. She’s not the clown, she’s the whole damn circus lol

[@HadirUntukAnda]

@@Anima_V yeah the the staff in polka streams is also the crazy one

[@meff841]

@Robin Sailo like hell that’d affect them when they still keep utako around

[@corruptpixel8441]

@Robin Sailo they had multiple concerts already since then and it's the same

[@kamen.rider.decade]

Toko: "FEED ME, NIJISANJI"

[@corruptpixel8441]

She's a Cerberus she needs to eat x3

[@オールフィクション]

I'm really glad pairs like Suisei/Toko, and Okayu/Shiina exist... Literally shows that they are people before employees, and that the companies are there mostly chilling. If fans can't see this as a good thing... well you are not fans... I'll also be always grateful to Tamaki for being the person helping keep the vtuber community as a whole

[@スフィアマスター]

My favorite pair is actually Sasaki/Aqua thought those two rarely interact on stream these days. they are so Sweeeeeeeeet when they are together like I can feel they radiating happiness.

[@オールフィクション]

@@スフィアマスター I forgot that pair! And we also have Hoshikawa/Matsuri and Hoshikawa/Haachama. Sui-chan and Iinchou also met before (the bathroom incident) hahaha. IN general I'm glad they are in a good relation. I would love HoloID to collab with Millie for... well reasons...

[@crazizzle85]

Towa/Bora as well, tho...now they're friends under another name

[@groerhahn225]

SIt still extremely upsetting to me that Pomu and Kiara can'T collab because of some incel losers on 4chan. Makes no sense at all, these fuckers are nothing but nuisances. Nobody wants them.

[@スフィアマスター]

@@crazizzle85 Don't forget Sally as well those 3 get bonus point for being all Purple together. lol

[@oncelewdtwicehigh438]

I pray for these both companies to maintain such a cohesive attitude, too many companies never really cared about their workers and you can tell.

[@PeterBarnes2]

Hololive seems to be doing reasonably well!

[@polkalamypekopeko2969]

When you realize it is the CEO of campany N interviewing two top talents of two different companies and all they started with is "lol snacks"

[@Meonium]

Pretty sure Noripro will provided lots of snacks for their guests from now on lol

[@vieronna]

For what it's worth, I used to work in film and the golden rule was to not skimp on the craft table/food. Cheapest way to keep your crew happy.

[@anonfinally1692]

I'm within the gaming industry (media productions) and the thing we don't get thrifty is hospitality that's what I teach all my staff at first

[@Absolute__Zero]

I mean, if I were a NijiStaff I too would be full of energy at the prospect of a live performance by the great Hoshimachi Suisei xD

[@dvid51524]

This is a quote from a different video on the same topic: Hololive talents are bat shit crazy while the staff is professional. Njisnaji talents are bat shit crazy, and the staff are as well

[@miirico5398]

Been watching more of Hololive lately and every time I see clips of other Nijisanji members it really hits me hard about Lulu's departure. I really miss Lulu...

[@ma.2089]

Lulu is still a Vtuber tho. So at least there’s that

[@miirico5398]

@@ma.2089 Nvm found it after some digging. Although quite odd that she decided to do vtuber/irl streaming. Thought the main issue for her departure is because she was getting threats. In any case will definitely follow her more from now on thanks for letting me know mate.

[@anacchi2468]

@@miirico5398 I read somewhere that it wasn't the death threats/stalking itself that made her quit, but it was how every time there's an incident regarding these stuffs, she had to take a hiatus without saying anything and she felt bad for keeping the fans waiting anxiously. Now that she's an indie, she's free from company rules and can continue her activities any way she wants to the extent which she feels like she can

[@groerhahn225]

@@anacchi2468 Reminds me of Coco. She wouldn't be there streaming with her real face nowadays if she quit because of harrassment. It makes ZERO sense. Cover just handeled it badly, and apparently, so did Anycolor.

[@slushrai]

@@miirico5398 Really? What is her new ch

[@Conre1]

The way i've seen it is that Hololive is Ordered Chaos, and Nijisanji is Chaotic order, they both lean more towards one side than the other, but are still fairly close

[@dinozero2]

I can understand staff feeling. It like something different or a rare event happening in their usual workplace.

[@amdrandom]

How did a video showing one of Niji-Holo's most established friendship talking about their staff giving them snacks and being party going even attract tribalists... Thanks for the video though! Tokomachi Saikou!

[@FujisakiChihiro55]

These guys is basically just a human bot now, they see Hololive and Nijisanji in the same sentence and they come in to sprout nonsense regardless of the topic. That's how they work.

[@kanzaki2672]

People are too itching for their 'voices' to be heard, they couldn't care less about the place

[@dragoxphere3341]

Fans who joined because of EN will be tribal about it. People who joined before late 2020 know that Niji collabs were commonplace and that many members have close ties to Niji members

[@raisofahri5797]

@@dragoxphere3341 yeah en is really weird.

[@スフィアマスター]

What many people don’t know is that Toko isn’t the only Niji member who have went to Holohouse (when that still exist).

[@Riku-Leela]

Hololive: you can go crazy of course but there is a limit to that so don't do anything that may damage your reputation. NIJISANJI: it's the wild west here baby 🤠

[@raisofahri5797]

Uh nijisanji also becoming more strict since they goes ipo.

[@HadirUntukAnda]

wild west but you can get fired when you joking about one company and baseball lmao poor zaion and gundou sensei

[@Ryo3gp]

U sure bout that rn?😅

[@manusiabumi7673]

2%

[@Rex_Nichts]

It's wild west if you have a schlong. If you have a punani, you're walking on eggshells. But as Vox Akuma, the favorite, says, there's no favoritism within Nijisanji.

[@dkzVirtual]

Men to think those two agencies where not even big like 4 years ago. Now even one has become a public company, showing how big the industry get

[@Phlegeth]

Cover needs to keep snacks on hand or Towa will get angry

[@kosbebot6360]

Also more "Ganbatte" for Towa on Twitter when she's in custom Apex.

[@raisofahri5797]

@@kosbebot6360 it's more yagoo fault lol.

[@d4dado]

Comments are crazy. I mean, Why can't we appreciate both companies, How about that? Why does everything need to be pitted against each other?

[@mijikanijika]

Can't do anything about it every fandom and communities has that toxic side lmao just ignore them and focus in the positive wholesome side

[@suave5462]

It's mostly Holo tribalists causing this unfortunately

[@simonghoul3602]

I don't see what you are talking about today lol

[@d4dado]

@@simonghoul3602 ?

[@simonghoul3602]

@@d4dado read the comments again

[@-Raylight]

Poor Nijistaffs, they should give Inui O'Zack next time lol So it's true that Nijistaffs are as wild as NijiLivers huh 🤣🤣

[@tanvoltz4623]

Imma throw out a theory People say “chat reflects the streamers” What about “staff reflects the first talents of the agency” Think about it Holostaff is described as nice and accommodating but not really confrontational and more likely to sit in the sidelines and watch. Just like Sora Meanwhile NiJistaff like Mito is insane energetic and willing to join in the fun and wild out with the talents It just makes sense (furiously tabs board with strings) For real tho the staff sounds like nice and cool folks good for them

[@vxxiii4160]

The staff is the backbone of every agency. If they are great with their jobs so will be their talents.

[@asianpersuasion4901]

It could be like that. Or maybe the first staff were just like that on their own, and then the new staff follows the old staff's example.

[@tokomachi]

no

[@ExcelJustExcel]

I can see that!

[@meff841]

It probably helps that their CEO Tazumi Riku is 26 and was only 22 when the company was established. Some members have talked about how he’s been on a project to take every member out for dinner at least once, tho he’s been set back quite a lot ever since covid. There’s a well known clip of the time when Kanae got clowned on by Gibara for publicly asking for source of an JAV actress on Twitter and the long spew he spouted in defence of himself, but what’s less well known is that he later posted a screenshot of Tazumi’s following list showing that Tazumi followed her too, to which Tazumi replied “how much do I pay you to take this down?”.

[@DrMeisterBabylon]

I like how without mentioning names even Suichan knew who that one manechan is

[@salahudinyubi09]

this is off topic but i just realized suisei always smile🙂you could really feel the suicopath

[@apple_pines]

So it's like that moment that you would prepare and be hyped up more if it's guests are coming compared to when it's your long time friend. It's not that you don't care about your friend, it's just that you want to make sure to give a lot of hospitality to the guest.

[@corruptpixel8441]

It's surprising and sad that people will comment about anything else but the clip itself, tribalistic people this much

[@pepsy3085]

Toko's view on what makes a good company: -snacks

[@beomkaslana]

I lowkey miss the time when holo fans and niji fans were chill with each others... 4chan was a mistake 😭 Seriously, y'all are fighting over 2.5 people like there's no tomorrow. Just enjoy your fav things, stop wasting your time by hate, and most importantly please touch grass...

[@oomomomee]

fr, niji and holo fans can't go one minute without saying something bad about the other side like relax

[@shadowmaverick15]

Taking obvious falseflaggers and baiters as real fans.... wow , Vt aint a place of innocent souls but they hardly were the cause of such petty conflicts...

[@DiabolosVT]

thank god i dont use reddit, twitter,4chan or any of those platforms. i just enjoy my fav vtubers in youtube in peace :3 i wont hide behind fake picture either of me, i fucking love hololive, they brought me so much joy, sadness, happy, sad times. got pretty bad depression but they truly help relieve some of the sadness, specially miko's streams, always something happening xD

[@Z3roCat7]

Yeah like 4chan is the worst they talk shit about nijisanji (livers too)and lust about hololive p**n stuff

[@HudaefCares]

"Ya'll are fighting over 2.5 people" Huh? Who's the .5 person?

[@NekuroMC]

thats good to hear

[@Tarodenaro]

Straight to the snacks, the best kind of priority.

[@DerpyVenom]

imo, i feel that nijisanji are able to collab with most vtubers out there (vshojo or independent) or even collab with their male/female workers. whereas hololive still doesnt really collab with holostar much until recently with the holostar en debut. would be cool to see more cross collab from them, need more chaotic energy

[@berubrand2704]

Hololive ID + Fubuki Matsuri Bae Callie occasionally do collab with Holostar like since a year ago. It's just that because Holostar only speaks japanese few people interested with it and barely got traction.

[@andinarizkia]

I don't think you watch a lot of holostars because hololive x holostars has been collabing way before tempus. Mainly the HoloID and stars (throwback the massive AmongUs collab and Mariokart collab, KiraKira Family, TraliBro), but they've also collabed with EN (gartic phone collab, fps collabs, roberu bae, even rikka has an original song featuring calli, and calli invited rikka to her 3D concert livestream, etc), as well as JP (Fubuki Oga dynamics, Matsuri Astel, several Hololive Member invited to Bar Robel and Aruran Izakaya, Suisei Astel Izuru song cover, etc) It is reeled up to the surface now because tempus attracts english speaker, but they've collabed way before that. It's not like tempus paved the way for everything. Absolutely no disrespect for tempus because they're amazing and opens up a new map, but holostars has been working hard since the beginning.

[@gandalfkitty1875]

Hololive ID say hi~

[@ma.2089]

You’re mostly referring to Hololive JP, and even amongst them the older ppl of the gens Collab w/ holostars. Luckily EN is now collabing with holostars cuz there’s an EN branch now ( Bae liked Roberu a lot but it took some time for them to finally connect, and it happened a little while before EN debuted), but it’s mostly just the newer gens of JP that don’t want/afraid to interact.

[@aleksisgabliks3881]

Well i don't think hololive(and I'm talking about en branches of both companies) has really done drunken just chatting streams. Those things are a bloody blast, especially when they start talking about wildly inappropriate stuff vaguely disguised with other words. Also I've noticed a bigger variety of hand cam streams in nijien side of things. Like rosemi's army ration reviews or Scarles chemical reaction stream

[@Papa-Corn]

The gist seems to be the staff is starstruck by each others talents.

[@FengLengshun]

2:24 I think it said "oto-fan" and I think that's meant to be an audiophile instead of just a 'music fan'?

[@princepyre]

i thought what they meant was happi coat at 1:02

[@tokomachi]

after all before Ghost a lot of people already think Suityan was of nijisanji lmao

[@amdrandom]

She is Hololive's resident Nijisanji Spy, Hoshimachi Suisei after all haha

[@dwiatmika9563]

forgot the clip but she did introduce herself as nijisanji before, I think it was took call in lmao

[@tokomachi]

@@dwiatmika9563 well in that radio show clip was just a funny mistake, but literally in her innkzzZzzzzz time the reason why she can keep strong was for Toko and her nijisanji friends

[@スフィアマスター]

@@amdrandom Isn’t Hololive resident Nijispy actually Aqua?

[@Dangitbobby-KFP_Shaman]

Show this vid to anyone who claims Hololive and Nijisanji are in some kind of company feud. It's MUCH more complicated then that as literally any branch of niji and holo can collab with each other but ONLY Niji EN is strictly off limits.

[@NaoNakashima]

Niji EN or Holo EN?

[@Dangitbobby-KFP_Shaman]

@@NaoNakashima Niji EN. Ollie, a member of Holo ID, tried to collab with Selen from Niji EN at one point but the collab didn’t go through. Despite the fact that Holo ID has collabed with members of Nijisanji before and still continue to do so. Same with Holo JP collabing with nijisanji. Niji EN is the one common denominator.

[@imLumineux]

@@Dangitbobby-KFP_Shaman Kiara and Pomu also tried to collab in the past but got denied. It's honestly such a shame, but it is what it is...

[@madensmith7014]

Just EN

[@adzly7144]

But why though?

[@lastnamefirstname8655]

cute sui-chan and inui with tamaki.

[@rainyrainyraine]

so the people of in Niji, including their staff, are all a little bit unhinged

[@StrangerWorld77]

Now we need HoloNiji EN collaboration

[@raisofahri5797]

*update from the future, the en branch can collab freely now, heck nijien and stars en is on the same team participate vsaykyo

[@gandalfkitty1875]

so, when will Niji ex-ID have their own merchs (Gen and Individual)?

[@breakouttimeburst777]

No love for KR?

[@suichankawaii1353]

*Hololive treats you like a princess* *Nijisanji kicks you to hell to make you stronger*

[@assaulthetz]

Nijisanji: *_Bullies Selen into S---cide._* Nijisanji: *_Terminates the dragon_* "I swear its her fault!"

[@burukani]

Unprofessional low pay part timers, please understand.

[@blatantslander]

Me eating popcorn here, waiting for the comment section to start war

[@kephalai]

did he delete the previous video and reupload it? lmao

[@velveteensallet949]

@@kephalai There was something wonky with the subtitles at around the one minute mark. Yuna fixed that.

[@kanzaki2672]

A war over what you would call NijiHolo's best relationship? Lmao. Say that again when it's EN. So, how's the popcorn?

[@blatantslander]

@@kanzaki2672 Still waiting actually, someone's gonna snap just keep commenting me once a day so I won't forget

[@psudhani6991]

@@blatantslander just mention the EN, it will start immediately

[@zeroanimation3956]

imagine if someone switch to Hololive because of snack

[@yumchala1906]

Goat

[@indrakarishna4178]

the one who often gets into trouble is only en branch with fans and other branches rarely

[@indrakarishna4178]

Or china branch and fans too

[@corruptpixel8441]

jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[@JennaT2407]

@@indrakarishna4178 if only Hololive CN still exists 🫠

[@budiyanto4680]

@@JennaT2407 but niji have china branch, so still counted ✌️☺️

[@kristophesiem5336]

Until the word "Taiwan" appears randomly in any of their streams

[@triviakenny6878]

Meanwhile, HoloEN and NijiEN...

[@raisofahri5797]

It's more holo and niji en, like all holo member is off limit collab with niji en.

[@howyoudoin8005]

Nijisanji didn't give Toko her O'Zack. Unsub

[@samym1694]

Whenever there's collabs between agencies, fans gone berserk over this although Vtubers between them did not harbour any hostilities but fans still doesn't like it

[@dwiatmika9563]

Only en thing, nijijp and holojp never had that problem

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

it started with nijisanji copying hololive than that happen

[@HudaefCares]

Why can't those people accept that Hololive and Nijisanji are targeting different niches? Hololive with idol stuff, Nijisanji with streamer stuff. People complaining "why are they doing idol stuff, they should just be streamers like Niji" like wtf do they not pay attention to the Holomem they claim to be watching xD Streamers, afaik, don't do sing and dance performances. I'll slap a bitch if Subaru is ever forced to be "just a streamer."

[@mijikanijika]

Niji JP and HoloJP are gucci its just the EN is more toxic that's why i dont bother watching them maybe a few others like Millie and Ina that's all

[@cstinson207]

@@ogueyratogeyrat7448 im not sure but i think nijisanji was around before hololive how are they copying

[@slimu62621]

a

[@madison8818]

I like how everyone without fail will say "both sides" and the instigator is always a Hololive fan with readymade hate for Nijisanji, with an extensive knowledge of drama but have no idea on the vtuber itself.

[@suave5462]

Exactly bro smh I swear either fans in Hololive or the talents themselves need to speak up about this tribalism and put an end to it

[@mnmndree9065]

Eh? I've seen many Niji fans basically starting drama in the comment sections of clips(non-problematic clips) involving the two companies so let's not say that it is "always" hololive fans or that they arr the ones that starts drama "everytime". I am a Nijifan myself since I prefer their chaoticness(if this is even a word) than hololive. Some Niji "fans" even called the other company hypocrites for their ideals of being idol-like, and some even said that yhe reason nijien and holoen don't collab is that the en branch of hololive are scared of the en branch of nijisanji would become more popular because they would then have more exposure and hololive fans would then move towards the nijisanji group and leave behind the hololive girls and their idol like talents. So let's stop putting blame on each group's fans, your so called hololive "fans" that cause dramas are the gachikois that basically worships their oshi and most of them are toxic just like some niji fans.

[@Nathan-nk2wk]

Let's not pretend this is one-sided, just search for any recent popular clip related to Hololive and Nijisanji and you'll find both Nijisanji and Hololive fans being toxic in the comments.

[@madison8818]

@@mnmndree9065 Okay, so most of the time. Just to be clear though, I'm not saying NijiEN fans are saints, or all Hololive fans are terrible; the point is majority of the time, either by an inflammatory bait or a really misinformed opinion, it's a Hololive fan instigating a flame war. I tried debunking those baits, because for some reason, they always get a lot of likes, and when they want to excuse that for shit behavior, they just said it was a /VT/ user. Hololive fans does shit; it was 4chan /VT/. NijiEN fans does shit; entire fandom is toxic. Like bruh... There's no winning in this.

[@mnmndree9065]

@@madison8818 I do agree with you on this tho, since hololive does have a larger audience than nijisanji so you seeing or reading a lot more toxic hololive fans or gachikois is pretty explainable. I just want the toxicity of putting blame on each other to stop, since just like you said not all of us niji fans are saints and not all the hololive fans are gachikois or toxic. Though I can't really blame you for your thoughts or ideas, since even if we do try and cleanse/remove the toxicity there will always be new ones coming out. Calli even addressed issues about who she collabs with or not isn't something the fans should control(don't know how to word it right) but received massive backlashes and since then she also lost massive amounts of viewership. Let's just hope that the toxic "fans" of each groups have an eye-opening call and stop all the dramas.

[@Thanatos9029]

Nijisanji: Quantity over Quality Hololive: Quality over Quantity. Not saying Niji doesn't have any good vtubers, they just have a ton.

[@darnis6497]

not accurate.

[@HaxeRain]

terrible take, nijisanji numbers are not meant of a "what sticks" but to fill in niches, to give different people their own space and enjoy it, thats it, simple as that, as they focused on making it easier for people to start streaming and vtubing

[@angelopouIos]

@@HaxeRain Exactly! Plus, having a lot of livers gives their other livers chances to recuperate or plan big events and collabs. Vox is having a 1 month break right now after working nonstop since debut. Because of that, I think having many members in the company is valuable

[@takebacktheholyland9306]

As famous Dictator and reichstomper Joseph Stalin once said "Quantity, is it's own quality"

[@gwenhistory]

At first i tought Nijisanji talents we're way more lewd and nothing else

[@SomeBuddy555]

they have the most seiso vtuber Sister Claire. she rivals Sora-chan or maybe even more

[@nicebird1082]

I guess you just don't know who toko is. She's one of the most normal person in nijisanji. Hands down best singer tho.

[@XLEZZY_REUPLOADS]

@@nicebird1082 you obviously haven't watched enough nijisanji if you think toko is hands down the best singer. i would say it goes to asahina akane because her vocal control is god-like and she can sing a wide range of songs, unlike toko who usually sings in the same key. melissa was also one of the best singers with great command over her growls and vocal fries. and we shouldn't forget the male singers as well because there are a lot of male talents with great vibrato like genzuki, nagao, akkina, and kaida. toko is definitely a good singer but if you think she's so much better than the rest that there's no competition, i'm inclined to just think you don't even watch nijisanji because it's not that simple (and realistically, she probably isn't the best anyway)

[@dinozero2]

@@XLEZZY_REUPLOADS I think Nice Bird is just giving their opinion 😅

[@heyalright8289]

@@XLEZZY_REUPLOADS Classic nijisanji elitist. You love to see it lmao

[@jtm94]

That is cool, but when will EN get along?

[@yagooatthegoat]

Suisei probably the only hololive members that can keeps her l2d 3d if she ever graduates since she was originally hoshimachi Suisei. The other members are va's under the cover corp umbrella 🤔 dont mind me im just curious

[@Zero_Anomaly]

This has nothing to do with what was discussed in this clip lol

[@dinozero2]

Pretty sure since now Suisei is signed a contract with Cover that L2D model and her song will belong to the company.

[@dwiatmika9563]

She can’t keep her current model but she own her character

[@bhgidsahajdoh9523]

The model is cover's property, but Hoshimachi Suisei is hers to keep since she used that before joining hololive

[@darmandez]

She will never go to Nijisanji, stop coping (and no, Toko won't go to Hololive either xD)

[@ogeyrat]

Nijisanji has plenty of bot viewers for their new Vtuber Salome lol

[@Diesel-w5]

Exposing Nijisanji in a comment section full of Nijisanji simps. *GIGACHAD* edited: They malding LMAOOO guess it hit them too hard.

[@jw5931]

Both of you need to take your lithium

[@TheRiquelmeONE]

@@Diesel-w5 how is saying random stuff exposing? Not that i don't believe you but is there some proof?

[@v4ndelion]

Copium lmfao

[@leficious978]

Bro the copium in this section lmfao

[@ogueyratogeyrat7448]

nijisanji too much freedom no performance no ethic, hololive people has boundary

[@minecraftminion4099]

you are ill my good sir

[@blatantslander]

There ya go here is the guy

[@lockman5196]

@@blatantslander lol

[@suave5462]

Tribalist moment

[@indrakarishna4178]

the one who often gets into trouble is only en branch with fans, and other branches rarely