Suisei's Creed - Shonen and Shota are DIFFERENT! [Hitwoman Suisei 3]

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[@vanitash17]

1:25 "I'm not that crazy about shota voice..." *SUSPECTED*

[@exo-gladius4805]

The timing is perfect LoL😂😂

[@That_One_Guy-.]

4:30 Isn´t this just the classic "She was actually 500 years old" argument?

[@DaultonYoung]

To quote Matsuri, there's just something different about the mentality behind them. Then again, pretty sure Matsuri is a full degenerate, so she might not be the best to listen to

[@Landfall364]

@@DaultonYoung To also quote Matsuri, "Why can't I love kindergartners!?" kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnzaqXl4Z6aJo6sm13s

[@NecroCh]

@@DaultonYoung "those woman seduced me!"

[@zoklev]

what's your point tho? bc "She was actually 500 years old" is a completely valid arguMENT, AM I RIGHT FELLAS? US LIKING GIRLS WHO APPEAR YOUNG IS JUSTIFIED AND NOTHING YOU SAY WILL CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE

[@4idenn]

@@zoklev I unironically agree with this

[@chronolumina]

I love how she gives a serious talk about the differences between shota and shonen while casually killing people. That's our psycho Sui-chan!

[@yuukiruka3717]

yep, sasuga suicopath

[@Gobo569]

People : Shota and Shonen are the same Suisei : Peace was never an option

[@doubleasworkshop1692]

The shota vs shonen argument is just to distract us from all the murders she is committing on screen

[@RoyalFusilier]

Part of me is like 'protecting the rights of lines on a screen is stupid when we haven't done that for all actual people yet, by a long shot', another part is screaming out 'guys, please don't spam this en masse to Suisei and convince her overseas meme fans are bad', buuuut Suisei is being *really* cute about this. The more psychotic and murderous she gets, the cuter she is. It's tough.

[@derrilazkia1002]

Idk man, seeing vtubers get "angry" or "defensive" is surely surprising and entertaining the first time, but then us gaijin fans just cross the lines too far, Ars Almal get tired of the big face spam, Shirayuri Lily get tired of being called baba, then It's not really fun anymore.

[@blueknight2983]

@@derrilazkia1002 I mean current meme culture is just running a joke to dead honestly

[@derrilazkia1002]

@@blueknight2983 I swear if see any "muh Lulu is an Eldritch god" or "Suisei is Suichopath" comments one more time

[@raginggodmandalorian]

why would she think the overseas meme fans are bad though?

[@lemonlupinreuben5362]

A problem is also that we only know so much about their content since it's gated through the necesity of translation, so we can only spam one or two things that catch on

[@maidenless_alan5136]

This is really funny xD I just hope people don't kill the joke repeating in every stream and annoying Suisei(?

[@MultiRv90]

Big face joke all over again.

[@aenigmatrices]

So basically, Shonen is Naruto, and Shota is Konohamaru.

[@Melcookie96]

Compare this to matsuri’s preaching of the ideal loli

[@mukhris4152]

The more she say she not a shotacon the more I feel that she a shotacon

[@Syncopia]

Suisui is digging in and defending her hill I see. Good for her, don't let anything get in the way of your love of young boys!

[@makhrisza9596]

15:25 you know when she's asking you this then you better pray hard for your safety Thanks for this blessed 16 min of suisei killing all of people who didn't know the difference of shota and shounen

[@shinwa9230]

shotacon become a trigger word for her now, remember tipsy Matsuri collab recently lmao

[@canadiangopnik7007]

Considering that a Shota is just the male version of a loli, that means neither have to do with actual age, simply appearance, so if a shota is a boy who looks very young (let’s say 12 or below) then a Shonen would be a boy that looks like a teenager (13 to 16, as 17-19 are practically adults), so to summarize, Suisei likes boys who look like they’re in their early to mid teens

[@niismo.]

I was watching the stream but obviously didnt know what she was talking about. I missed out on something amazing 😂

[@eightthgie4579]

Viewers : we won't dislike you even if you're shotacon, you know Suisei : *clears throat*

[@4idenn]

Tbf, even the NGE OP clearly says "shounen"

[@4idenn]

6:30 I love how she looks at the camera like saying "you know what's gonna happen" sasuga suicopath

[@rekkisen469]

I know this is an old video, but man... i do miss her playing Hitman. After the "holocaust archive" incident, now this is the only place where i can get back to see her playing this gem. Hopefully someday she will be back playing this again, or something similar.

[@duncanurquhart5278]

I didn't think she was a shotacon before I watched this, but now I do.

[@rkbrillant5265]

Man I get that her being really defensive and over explaining her love for young boys is funny but can we just appreciate how much of a pSuicopath she is? 6:32 Poor virtual lives being snuffed out by this idol. :(

[@LeonValCh]

Suisei is pure evil. But hey, evil is really sexy.

[@michaelsjournal2540]

Those triple "ehem" before denying the comment made me lose my sides 😂🙂

[@Necroneer]

Finally someone translated this, I got the gist of what she was talking about but wanted to know more.

[@YuSooKey]

8:33 Full Suicopath

[@gokbay3057]

Suisei basically going: "not Pedophile, Hebephile/Ephebophile"

[@thelurkerbel0w]

4:30 sus

[@muiz8563]

Just finish watch Matsuri loli video and now I watch this

[@spacepirate369]

Sui-chan: Shoujou Translator: Loli Sui-chan did nothing wrong, people who lie openly like this deserve death

[@Zephyroths]

sure, shonen is not shota, but that still doesn't make them any less illegal

[@khelalter1293]

OK shota-con onee-chan

[@alexcostello5386]

Some people will say your meant to be stealthy and kill as few people as possible but wheres the fun in that lol, i normally get bored of sneaking 5 mins in and just go full rampage. Also when she kicked that dude off the wharf i couldnt help laughing cause i was just thinking that id definitely this is sparta him into the ocean

[@amuroray.1690]

"Where everyone blindly confuses shota with shounen, remember: shounen is not shota."

[@assaulthetz380]

Just like someone would claim: Teenage girls are not Lolis. Also Suicopath: Conan is fine, he is adult inside! Also Lolicons: This loli is fine! She's 1000 years old inside!

[@amuroray.1690]

@@assaulthetz380 That was an Assassin's Creed reference. Please don't take it too seriously lol.

[@assaulthetz380]

@@amuroray.1690 And one said i was taking it seriously. Okay, i forgive that.

[@bosphiii]

Ahhhh, good ol AC 2 memories

[@nepgeardam6807]

It's kinda like Char. He likes to go for Shoujos :3

[@RenkoBocchi]

Me who doesn't know what's the difference between Shota and Shounen: *Me: WHY DO I HEAR BOSS MUSIC?!*

[@GrassKusa]

theyre tight

[@zombiethieves3736]

Shounen would be someone like Midoriya Izuku (All Might calls him shounen too, official subs say young man). Shota is more like prepubuscent kid.

[@tobysealz3574]

"Under age boy but not that underage."

[@MiguelitoJimz]

Today in Hoshimashi Suisei's TED Talk: *"Shotas and Shonen are not the same"*

[@giantcrayfish2866]

Her argument isn’t actually in words, she just holds the crowd hostage with a gun with her only demand being that everyone on earth learns the difference between the two.

[@DiggitySlice]

That is something TED would have nowadays

[@jodianshari856]

"How about tamaki-kun" "Tamaki-kun is shonen" Me still new in vtuber world:hold up--

[@MITCHIE_LAPIZ]

What, you weren't expecting an 18cm Tower of Babel down there?

[@jriflen8230]

Its the best kind

[@scorpixel1866]

@@MITCHIE_LAPIZ I'm so sorry, my corrupted brain couldn't stop running the numbers for a scenario based on kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZPafHmlj8uql6M Remember the height of the involved factor? Just in case: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5y0Y3qqq6mJadU Again, don't lewd Vtubers, except traps, traps don't count, that's what i always tell myself on Astolfo nuke codes...

[@smolpuppppees2023]

8:20 "please don't kill me" *shoots without thinking twice*

[@sekaihunter9378]

Sui-chan: I'm not that attracted to Shota voice! Me: Then explained why you are a part of Flare harem please :))

[@elixxon]

Well Flare is the harem protagonist. ;P

[@555andreawan]

Me: c'mon guys, leave the lolicon alone. Kink shaming is not cool. Also me: sui-chan is a shotacon kusa

[@Namadeta]

6:30 The fact that she still pushed the guy off although she could escape already proves that Sui chan is a psy-

[@soraneptune4178]

This is his/her mortician speaking here raw data's death was caused by multiple stab wounds and head trauma caused by a large blunt weapon. Witnesses say that it was done by a cute blue hair girl.

[@neutralbystander9884]

3:35 Suisei take Shinji as example. Me: "So shounen is someone who is at the age of 14 - 18, and experienced some messed up situation that make them more mature than their age? "

[@homiga1]

Get in the robot Shinji

[@harizrushdi6876]

Remember what he did when he saw Asuka unconscious

[@rantaidhentai9817]

So, shonen is a boy who already know the mechanic of jerking off, then? Interesting.

[@scorpixel1866]

Step 1: Find pretty underage boy. Step 2: Hire thugs to make him suffer horribly, either by kidnapping/torturing him/family, killing his pet, or playing Kpop on repeat next to him at full volume at any occasion for the next 6 months. Step 3: He is now matured, go get him girls!

[@DiggitySlice]

"Unless it's not, then it's not" If there's logic tone found here Suisei is not the place to look

[@75658]

8:58 perfect music timing

[@yuukiruka3717]

actually kinda agree with suisei argument, if u see highschool girl in anime isnt an adult but also not a loli idk what i call them but its same with shonen, u cant say highschool boy an adult but u also cant say them shota its like between them, cuz my waifu oftenly a highschool girl and i didnt see them as loli,but alo not an adult and yeah i also agree with her opinion about yukine-kun my husbu and its also scary seeing her kill ppl while saying that argument....but she still the cutest

[@EXkurodaigo666]

Me: B- But shota is still fine rig------ Sui chan: 15:48

[@mayonnaise9780]

Uhm, yeah, my 14 years old sister says it everyday, and now she has a 12 years old boyfriend -_-

[@dafaqu694]

WHAT....

[@GrassKusa]

wdym what?

[@kingjaques8073]

I kinda get where she's coming from. Loli gets used too often. Matsuri is obviously not a loli but people call that sometimes.

[@tatin1959]

5:25 yes you are, and also being judged

[@kanicunny]

How many people are you going to kill tonight? Suisei: "As many as i could" *THAT INCLUDES YOU TOO, RUN*

[@seyrow6748]

Suisei : "Highschool boys are shonen for me!" I may be in danger but i'll let her kidnap me 🙃

[@TheMajesticMirage]

4:24 "There's a that kind of difference between shota and shonen inside me" Sure, sui-chan, they are different inside you....

[@sambawolf9190]

As someone that surf around doujin,I can vouch that Shounen & shota are very much different

[@Ooyamatsumi]

14:25 "I can't live without a gun." But you still have a Shota.

[@derrilazkia1002]

The difference would be as simple as "One is pre-teen and one is teen" or "one is has innocent, child-like appearance and one has slightly more matured appearances." If I'd to compare, shōnen character would be someone like Naruto in Naruto Shippuden and Shōta character is someone like Ciel from Kuroshitsuji or Alexander (Qwaser of Iron) from Seikon no Qwaser. But all those argument would hardly matters in front of the judges in the court, I believe.

[@kaito1293]

8:20 savage asf

[@zenith2930]

I think most people who like the Loli astetic is not cause they would want to do that to a real little girl. I'm wondering if she just has the fetish of being an Onee San who takes a young man 13-16 to adulthood.

[@asdffjsdjasd]

5:41 "youjo" would be closer to loli, "shoujo" is more like highschool age. Unless you are just memeing on Sui, in which case carry.

[@maruftim]

"Shota and shonen are different!" maybe... "for example, Yukine from Noragami..." *yep, shotacon*

[@yourfriendlyneighborhood_Shota]

Susei: *I'M NOT SHOTACON* Us: pretty sure you are

[@verniy4087]

"Pedophilia and Epebophilia are different!!!"

[@Melcookie96]

Someone must have locked up Suisei’s uncle alex

[@danieltaubinger2920]

"Akkkshuallly, it's hebephilia, not pedophilia."

[@MasakanSolaris]

Nonono its theres a difference between pedophilia and just liking of age women who just HAPPEN to be short petite and babyfaced.

[@danieltaubinger2920]

@@MasakanSolaris "Aksshually, she's five quadrillion years old, it doesn't matter that she looks like she's five."

[@scorpixel1866]

@@danieltaubinger2920 Well at that point she was probably born in a universe that even predates the one previous to ours, so maybe we could cut some slack to someone brave enough to date what put most gods to shame.

[@justanotherdood6927]

Shonen and shota may be different but i feel like neither of then are legal.

[@DiggitySlice]

I was following her logic until she basically said that the difference between shota and shonen is whatever she says is a shota or shonen

[@ZaneKun33]

Haha shotacon go brrrr hold on someone with blue hair is at the door

[@RaccoonPunter]

It is actually pretty ingenious of her to run with joke and theme a whole stream around it.

[@jeremiahtan759]

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[@khoinguyenpham9250]

suisei "im not shotacon" also suisei "its not like im hiding because i get disliked" suisei "im not a psychopath" chat "how many people are u gonna kill today" suisei "as much as i could" psuichopath, shotacon or not, i only see tsundere

[@theodorech20]

Is Kagamine Len Shota or Shonen? Why there are lots of Shota Len songs?

[@user-vt4qx7ht3h]

according to matsuri's loli ages, rin is loli so that would mean len is shota

[@dundy8999]

People who said shota is the same as shounen. Congratulations making it into Suisei's hit list

[@stevewowafay221]

503862978913213017436198 is the code for her favorite shotacon manga.

[@daniellealoysiusuy2309]

For all I know shota and Shounen basically means boy and for all I know a boy is not an adult nor a teenager so in my head when you peace everything together your basically a shotacon

[@aquaventus]

I mean, bishounen sect would be similar to those who likes kpop male idols, padded with makeups to make them look beautiful or sth. Shounen on the other hand, is more towards normal guys tho it does counts those who arent handsome too, minus the kimo-ota types. Once a shota grow up to be a shounen, then they cease to be a shota, altho there are some fans who keep following them even when they become ojiisan. Btw on a side note, shonen meant something completely different to shounen. You can still switch between shojo and shoujo since their meanings are close, but shonen and shounen are not remotely close.

[@spinylightgaming]

So shes into younger boys.... well 5 year difference is how far u should stretch but 3 years is safer

[@Mr.Martian00]

Is she still on this?

[@IceNKaffe]

did i just spend a good 16 minutes, watching an anime girl talking about shonen and shota while conducting genocide on NPCs?

[@LeonValCh]

My bigger concern is: Is she even allowed to date boys? I mean, she's an idol and all that. If she is, definitely Yagoo is best girl.

[@MiguelitoJimz]

She's into 2D so I guess is okay

[@Hoshino_Aoi]

sooo ... if Matsuri's range is from 5 to 14, then Suisei's range is from 14 to 17, any older are NG ... yep, totally legal

[@lilwhitebear7470]

Eng sub are over reacting 😂 its a bit different from what she really saying but yeah

[@toybayonet]

Basically she likes boys

[@tyler89557]

OK english bois. Let's let the joke rest now. Might start getting actually annoying. We can all acknowledge that Suisei is really just a shotacon in our hearts.

[@MegaApostel]

tyler89557 i agree they really did spam it on the last stream. Hope today’s Hitman stream will be normal

[@lashs5311]

Is it me or she sounds like Aqua when she's complaining???

[@god145]

Probably why people like bullying her

[@charlx8979]

The best is shounen that is otokonoko Much better than shota traps

[@Ansangim]

Hm....loli to shojyo wa chigau....noka?

[@rimbaazhara5058]

ngl the last part is very scary when I watched it live lol

[@DiuLei619]

I know that the fans are joking by saying that, but really shota & shounen are different. Indeed both are about young boys, but the media say otherwise. Shounen usually about teenager A. K. A. 16-18(Or 17? I forgot), or even early teen A. K. A. 14-15, as for Shota's around Pre-Teen A. K. A. 10-13, can be around early teen, or even younger than that A. K. A. 10 years or younger. And welp even so & even still, if Suisei-san is indeed not a shota lover but shounen lover, why is she a part of ShotaFlare's Harem? XD

[@Bunniest]

They said Sui-chan is psychopath. me : No. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT! *that's before I watched this*

[@seneca983]

Is it "Suisei's Creed" or "Suisei's Screed"? :)

[@Sheriff_Curtis]

She's the only person I'll let slide for arguing semantics. Lol.

[@ligmajoe7741]

The map is where sui chan tracks all the shota

[@victortran2962]

suisei: i think i'm not good with machine gun also suisei: kill everyone with machine gun

[@aubade467]

well shinji is not a shota but rather a gaki... in my opinion

[@sufianramli8017]

Whichever it is.....he needs to fucking robot in get already!

[@Mushabeans]

*confused FBI noises*

[@formdusktilldeath]

I don't know all about that but Shinji is clearly a shounen, it even says in the OP "shounen shinwa ni nare" so there's no discussion to be had there...

[@pongsazaaa]

Sui-chan : I'm not saying I have to hide because I get dislike! the first woman : It's okay. *ded*

[@somedudewatchintv5297]

"They aren't distinguished by their age" she keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper.

[@EntwinnedFingers]

This is like saying "Youjo" and "Loli" are different...

[@katagami2252]

Hey guys im eating pie

[@NeruNTL]

Don't deny it every time you deny it. It will keep getting worst and worst 😂😂

[@tri99er_]

Lolis are up to excluding 14 yo, then shotas are too, so Shinji is not a shota.

[@ozrealix803]

lol i didnt watch the stream from the start so i didn't know what was that about "shota and shonen" xD would've been more hilarious if i knew orz

[@khelalter1293]

6:36 how can she make such a cute face after killing someone.....

[@iona401channel7]

lolicon ja nai feminist desu qoute by gintama same as suisei case fsn and suisei

[@herbsti4448]

Don't tease Suisei with that topic or else she'll go psychopath mode.