Sukhoi Su-27 Documentary

[@MikeGuardiaAuthor]

1996 Documentary video featuring the Sukhoi Su-27 and latter-day "Flanker" series (4th Gen) fighter jets. (C) DD Video. All Rights Reserved.

[@stormbringer1876]

kzbin.info/door/JsWWlZn3SrQNEiTli-9jJw Unless Sweden is not 'in the west' then the 'Cobra Maneuver' was not made up by Pugachev. In fact, it was already decades old. J35 Draken... look it up. Then add a text line overlay to correct the information when that line comes up around the 28 minute mark. The Narrator did not know.

[@igorvasin6960]

the most unpleasant thing is that the United States offered to purchase Russian catapults. but having bought samples, they simply copied the system. Now US pilots are being saved by a system developed in the USSR. the USSR that they hate because of their propaganda. the same USSR that built weapons for defense when the United States built weapons for attack.

[@Yabbagabbagool]

Never felt so emotionally moved watching a jet fly around. Su-27 is so graceful it's unreal.

[@OutofluckpikerMJK]

Graceful they are.. reminds me of a swan in some ways. Without a doubt the best looking active plan. With no doubt X 100

[@alimuchenik9807]

I'm a 66 y.o. woman from Argentina. My dream was to become a fighter pilot but women were not allowed in the military when I was young... Look at that beauty!!! My heart beats so fast when I see her "tamed" by such magnificent pilots!!! I admire and envy them. It must be so hard when a pilot has done his very last flight, steps down... and sees her in new hands!😭💔

[@FEAROWNAGE]

These old documentaries will never not be cool.

[@TheRealKlinky]

Say what you want about Russians - but they make absolutely beautiful aircraft!

[@DanDownunda8888]

I saw the SU 27 at the Avalon Air Show in Australia in the 1980's. I remember thinking 'how is this possible?' I was stunned. There was also an afterburner flight by an F111 after dark, doing a vertical climb into the heavens.

[@peterzozulak569]

physics.

[@OutofluckpikerMJK]

Funnily enough it is us Swedes who where the investor of the cobra, decades before Soviet with the Draken plane and Viggen could do it too, both planes were made earlier than su-27 by decades.

[@OutofluckpikerMJK]

Russia never invents anything so I don't get how this can be acclaimed to them, they steal all tech and are very well known for it, so the chance someone else was the inventor to even that is just as I should. Soviet inventing things.. Yeah Gulag was their invention. Not much more.

[@ReyIzanagi]

​@@OutofluckpikerMJKnah your angle of attack is around 80°+ while cobra is90°+ and flanker series like SU-27 is reach 120°

[@kendellmoore8367]

@@OutofluckpikerMJKhey buddy you just blow on from stupid town you want to special so bad you failed to realize what distinguishes this cobra is that it’s performed at an 120 degree AOA not even the gripen pulling that chief

[@palanthis]

If you think this is impressive (and you should), check out the latest iteration. The SU-35S. Thrust vectoring, AESA RADAR, more power, upgraded avionics, etc. Amazing aircraft. The SU-35S takes the cobra and turns it into a complete back-flip into flat-spin finishing with a high-alpha recovery.

[@danielmiller3781]

Su-35S didn’t perform so well lately and got shot down by Buk-M1 and MiG-29. On paper it looks excellent but in practice not so much.

[@sadfrog5787]

@@danielmiller3781 classic modern russian weapon system.

[@peterzozulak569]

@@danielmiller3781 ...there is nothing better then the systems shutting down Su-35s ( or U2 in 1960), the planes are just for the moment, when the rockets explode.....

[@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333]

Su-30SM2 is probably the best Russian combat jet in terms of capability. It's better than the F-15E and F/A-18/F/E

[@echohunter4199]

I don’t intend to insult anyone on this comment but I’d like to mention what I know. Russia has always fought in wars very poorly in the beginning and their losses were monumental. We can see examples of this starting from the Finnish Winter War, Operation Barbarossa, Afghanistan and other small conflicts in their region they participated in. Their pilots are pretty good for the most part but they’re always slow on developing good tactics, effective supply chain and good leaders that’s critical in winning or just surviving a battle. So far we’re watching the same cycle all over again but this one is far different since Russia doesn’t want to deploy a maximum effort from the beginning which probably would’ve overwhelmed the Ukrainians but they would likely trigger retaliations from NATO and start a wider conflict so Russia is fighting with one hand tied to their leg so they throw in older equipment and various militias and even a border guard unit of all things! Imagine if we put rifles in the hands of all our animal control personnel and point them towards an enemy and slap them on the back, this kind of reminds me of that. As a retired US Army Infantryman, I’ve fought in two wars where the enemy used soviet era weapons and armored vehicles, they’re all easy to take out but they can do serious damage if we allowed them to. I’ve spent quite a long time studying Soviet battle tactics and little has changed on their doctrine since the late 80’s. We’re also seeing poor quality soldiers and pilots even as they deploy their first line quality people, they make stupid mistakes that makes me shake my head, and it’s also seen on the Ukrainian side, it’s like they’re asking to be shot. Russia has always used deception as a weapon more than other countries, they want an enemy to perceive they’re weak in some aspects that would attract a response from their enemy so, we have to keep that in the back of our minds as we evaluate things. Here’s an example of what I mean; tank units have standard procedures when they have to stop for more than an hour, they spread out with at least 100 meters between tanks, sometimes a bit closer then erect their camo nets and post security to ensure they can see and hear any enemy trying to sneak up on them. But for the Russian tankers, they clump together like it’s a camping trip and do it in the wide open instead of a wood line 50 meters away! And, you’ll never see a camo net put up when it would’ve helped a lot. Some camo nets could possibly help defend those little 40mm bomb those drones have been dropping the men in the trenches have been dealing with but even overhead cover would better protect them but seems they consider that requires too much effort. I could go on and on but I’m preaching to the choir on this but you get the idea. When Russia deploys mass amounts of troops, aircraft, tanks, artillery and everything else but the kitchen sink, that’s when Russia is serious about all this. And why in the hell is that bridge not completely destroyed yet? It obviously makes it easier for Russia to move their logistics around but Ukraine can’t seem to properly take it out? The Russians have some excellent modern fighters but again, it all matters who’s flying the plane and leading their squadron. These Russian pilots have little to no air defense help to protect them which is something the US Army and Air Force would seriously protest since it’s a no brainer that they’re going to be nearly slaughtered in short order. My apologies for being long winded, just wanted to present considerations and maybe someone knows more about this topic that I’m unaware of.

[@ryanwilson2909]

One of the most beautiful jet fighter's ever made

[@G31mR]

This aircraft is one of the most beautiful aircraft in the world. I doubt it will ever be surpassed in pure cleanliness of line.

[@robtrawick1]

You’ve not seen an F-22?

[@mirandela777]

@@robtrawick1 - I give F22 8 stars, but a 10+++ stars to the Su27 ! Waaaay more beautifully !

[@Suzxio]

@@robtrawick1F-22 is ugly

[@Soggy-Soy-Toy]

@@robtrawick1f-22 looks like a cockroach

[@craig4867]

Russia makes some of the most beautiful and capable aircraft in the world!

[@flyingvct7214]

The analog picture quality makes even better imo

[@fistingendakenny8781]

Great upload, i always watch the longer videos when im going to bed

I am not a fan of russian military aircrafts but the SU27 is one of the most beatiful bird up there.

[@danilo16410]

I am not fan of any aircrapt, but that Su27 is a true "dancing plane."

[@yaboyed5779]

The entire flanker family are just beautiful.

[@stevee231]

It, along with the MiG-29, marked a major change in Soviet aviation...going from large numbers of simple/robust/fast to modern day air superiority fighters. I agree, everything they produced before those 2 planes was not appealing to the eye. The MiG-29 is a great looking plane as well.

[@billeudy8481]

I saw the SU-27 at the Aerospace America airshow in Oklahoma City and it was amazing.

[@kzcowboyfan]

I would love to see this plane in action

[@Militarychannel12]

i'm watching this documentary for 5th time

[@ttrestle]

What really amazes me the most is exactly when and how this marvel was designed and made. Just imagine how hard it was without the computer programs and power of today. Just amazing. EDIT: also wanted to say how ahead of its time it was. Imagine how surprised NATO was when they fully understood how great this fighter was at both distance and close range. If a war actually happened, does anyone know if our distance capabilities were better with the F-15, as an example?

[@JohnGaltAustria]

A resounding yes.

[@ttrestle]

@@JohnGaltAustria ok, so our distance capabilities on our F-15 variants were way better than the Su-27s, even though the Su-27s were better at the time with thrust-vectoring, thus would probably be better against the F-15s at extreme close-range dog-fighting. But, the whole point of American/NATO strategy was having a jet fighter and strike capability where we could destroy a target from a far greater capability than the Su-27 or any other potential enemy’s jet fighter at the time. I will say that I would be utterly fascinated to see these two planes go against each other in a real world close quarter dogfight conflict just to see what happened, even though I obviously don’t want to see people fighting and dying. Just like I would like to see the F-16 go against the Su-27 in a close quarter dogfight just to see what happens. Again-I’m saying if the over the horizon capabilities were gone for the F-15/16… Not sure if this makes sense with how I’m writing it out, but I’m assuming that you get my points and what I’d like to see without actual deaths…

[@shaider1982]

Was actually designed with computer similations.

[@killingyouwithlogic5808]

SU-27 has a 6-0 KD F-15 has a 104-0 KD so advantage F-15 for sure!

[@ttrestle]

I will also say that while I think Russian fighter jets like the Su-27 and beyond are gorgeous, I will also say that their interior cockpit controls design were just terrible.

[@DaveSCameron]

Fantastic old documentary here and many thanks 🙏

[@Type-zg8mu]

Wow! Beautiful jet. Thanks for all your great work.

[@J.Runk81]

Thanks Mike I love the classic docs on Soviet air superiority

[@Graham-mu1ul]

This Jet is stunning

[@AS4DA]

in every simulator i used this one is my choice! im in love with the blue camo 👍❤️🦄

[@Greasy__Bear]

Th su 27 is such a beautiful plane im glad russia saw fit to update it rather than replace it with a completely fresh design.

[@southerncross86]

Hope the world can still have balancing powers, so that not a single arrogant superpower cannot master all the nations at will.

[@user-uq7io2os3r]

Many thx for great documentary with wings

[@atriplex6002]

Mig-21 actually flew 1953 not 55

[@sergeantcrow]

Amazing.. Thank you Mike..

[@edvigq]

Actually, the Saab J-35 Draken could do the cobra manouver, called "kort parad" in Swedish.

[@thespiffyduck]

True, but the Draken did struggle to reach the 90 degree angle of attack, while the Flankers can exceed 120 degrees.

[@RJiiFin]

Just the most beautiful plane ever

[@kris8165]

Pure elegance and so beautifully designed! I love Russian airplane design!😊 Greetings from Croatia 😎

[@gordonmuir6881]

'Its ejection seats needed to work ...' That's some demanding specification! 'It could climb to 19000 metres, that's over 2 miles high ...' Yes it is, it's almost 12 miles high actually. Who makes this shit?

[@Archie2c]

I love the Flanker its the only one of the Soviet Jets I wish we in the US had built instead.

[@RyanAviations]

You didn’t cover the Su 30 mki or the Super Sukhoi

[@fit4lifenickzagorov592]

The su 27 and FA 18 Hornet best looking planes ever made (my opoinion)

[@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333]

The E and F overhauls of the F/A-18 ruined the aesthetics.

[@MikeG42]

Excellent documentary thanks Mike , Was this video from the series Wings of the Red Star ? That was on the Discovery Wings channel many years ago. The narrator sounds familiar but I'm not sure. The Sukhoi SU-37 Flanker is one of my favorite fighter planes.

[@MikeGuardiaAuthor]

Nah, this was a stand-alone doc. But 'Wings of the Red Star' was a great series!

[@MikeG42]

@@MikeGuardiaAuthoroh ok thanks ! Yes it sure was a great series.

[@MikeG42]

@@MikeGuardiaAuthor it's on KZbin but it would be nice if there was a dvd set

[@brothergrimaldus3836]

@@MikeG42 believe it or not... the narrator for Wings of the Red Star was Peter Ustinov.

[@MikeG42]

@@brothergrimaldus3836 Thanks , I searched his name and found out he was British.

[@billyhighfill]

Thanks for sharing

[@PHUSHEY]

I don't know whether it is considered a cobra maneuver but back in 86' I personally watched an F-14 hit the brakes and a Mig-28 flew right by.

[@Kickback-dm7zt]

The footage of the F-15 labeled as the F-15 E on the screen is WRONG... the "E" variant (or Strike Eagle as its known) is a two seat fighter bomber /Strike aircraft where as the footage used CLEARLY shows the "A" variant which is single seat Air superiority fighter.

[@nikoc8968]

do you want the OP to go back to 1996 and tell that to the directors or something? -_-

[@davy1458]

@@nikoc8968 no....of course not silly....what he wants is for them to find the aircraft mentioned and convert it from a single seat f15a to a two seat cockpit f15e.....the video will still be incorrect but at least he will be able to sleep at night.

[@pokemon1093]

@@nikoc8968 He might invent a time machine to do just that :'3

[@Brightsideofmilitary]

Great video

[@sivarajendras]

Legendary Fighter Jet

[@ziopanayotou6927]

Des pilotes courageux .🇷🇺🇬🇷❤😎🧜‍♂️🕊

[@ReineDedeurwaerder-Sulmo-rz9cz]

Love your face, Mijke !.

[@gaittr]

Gosh the creator of this documentary takes an unbelievable amount of time to get to the subject matter

[@GaryBonnell-tb4ot]

Face it people the discovery channel sucks now but back in the day

[@wcurren17]

The SU27 is the most beautiful Russian fighter to this day, Easy top 5 in the world

[@patrickspringer6534]

I love this stuff!

[@skat5268]

Wow...the F22 didn't win after a contest with McDonnell Douglas. It went up against the Northrop YF23.

[@Hypernefelos]

It was the Northrop-McDonnell Douglas YF-23. Joint project.

[@rickanderson1442]

Can the SU 27 carry fuel pods or does it fuel in the air ?

[@ARSAMES007]

Neither! The Su-27 is not capable of air to air refuelling neither does it carry any fuel bags as it carries enough fuel internally for long hours of flight , although the Su-33 is capable of air to air refuelling

[@joshkamp7499]

Fantastic airplane. It does however highlight just how far behind the soviets were and how the cold war by this point was sustained entirely by the American military industrial complex. Roughly 1000 F-15s in 2 generations had already been built by the time the Su-27 entered service.

[@thespatulaa]

I think the Soviet Union couldn't keep up after late 1970's because of Afghan War budget restraints and what not (plus no denying they had some crappy equipment)

[@kungenism]

Su 27 is not the first plane to do the cobra. Check out the Swedish J35 Dragon. They where years before the russians.

[@jerksundmark7776]

Det ingick "cobra" i träningen efter 1958. Detta mach 2.1 j35 var dock så hemligt så vi skröt inte så mycket, eller som jag och mina föräldrar fick lära sig. "En Svensk tiger" som var tänkt att ha två betydelser.

[@k.kdowning3284]

Cobra it`s impractical in the dog fight, missile ain`t gonna let it have the time to perform.

[@steveblackbird]

Great documentary this one. One thing that was barely talked about was the initial SU-27 was such a failure it was completely redesigned at a huge cost and embarrassment to the designers. The wing was a dead giveaway as is the very forward mounted nose gear. It was awful to fly, had control issues and severe buffeting that couldn't be remedied. As an Aircraft Engineer of 30 years one thing I have understood at least with regards to the MiG-29 and Su-27 families, is that they are better combat aircraft than what the west has. Agility wise. The F-22 at least on paper looks like a better aircraft but there aren't many documentaries about it. Many Say the YF-23 was a better aircraft in many ways. Pilot training is where the west trumps the Russians. In saying that, most western fighters, modern day ones consume Billions of dollars and they still aren't great. F-35 ring a bell? Russian aircraft look rough up close in comparison and they aren't designed to last 60+ years in service. When the Mig-35 was released it took an already very capable aircraft in the MiG-29, and made it leaps and bounds a better war plane. 3D thrust vectoring FTW! Similar story with the SU-37. These two side by side the size difference is enormous. The lovely ole' chap saying that his Eurofighter can perform the same maneuvers with canards is simply incorrect. For canards and all other flight controls for that matter, you need airflow over these surfaces for them to be effective. If a pilot is doing 150mph and wants to flip the aircraft nose to tail, quickly, vectored thrust is the only way to achieve it. Canards are only of use at speed. Still I love what both sides release and really hope the only time we see these magnificent aircraft is at airshows.

[@davidste60]

He didn't say the Eurofighter can perform the same maneuvers. He said the large canards far forward on the airframe give maneuverability at supersonic speeds, without a need for thrust vectoring. And that low speed tricks like the cobra and viffing are not a problem for the Eurofighter's *weapons systems*, and many other weapons systems too.

[@destroyerarmor2846]

I bet you are racist too🎉

[@batmannownowbatman4059]

Great work for a great fighter

[@stormtrooperofdeathc]

its a beatiful plane with very good flight atributes, but the weapons and radar cannot compete with west counterparts.

[@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333]

The Su-30SM2 is superior to the F-15E and F/A-18F/E.

[@yzakhd5586]

The draken made the cobra first

[@destroyerarmor2846]

Meh

[@OutofluckpikerMJK]

Oh yes and the Viggen could do it too, as my father has seen it in person 1980 so I don't know why it is described as a Russian tactic when Swedes were doing it decades before Russia?! History need to be correct to be of importance.

[@ReyIzanagi]

​@@OutofluckpikerMJKcan draken do it in 120°? Sorry but it's not cobra unless your angle of attack reach 120°

[@JohnSmith-wl5zm]

Proofs?​@@OutofluckpikerMJK

[@kueilin808]

It just a reflection when they need a hard brake,but pugachev did it on purpose.

[@jareddakid2]

Thanks for uploading. Also 2nd comment.

[@amirhamzaamir7355]

Salam hormat kepada jurutera Soviet 🎉

[@madaro504]

Impressive? Couldn’t catch a 30 year old blackbird.

[@Heegooat]

Whats the song @ 54:00 truly addictive

[@cheez71]

At 48:35, when did the Soviets acquire a QF-102...?

[@nopenope1194]

Isnt one of these what diced up a bunch of spectators at an airshow?

[@ReineDedeurwaerder-Sulmo-rz9cz]

Where is the35S ???????????

[@seanbaskett5506]

It is just simply an achingly beautiful plane. Why can't the US design something like that?

[@josephdonais4778]

Well Jetson's we are almost there but I think it'll be a while yet before they replace the family car. I almost forgot we are pretty much at war... Eat his lunch Ukraine!

[@mirandela777]

A true marvel, probably THE best multirole aircraft in the world at his time, with many technological advances years ahead of anything the West could dream off... This bird has a permanent seat in the History of Aviation. Amazing testimony of the URSS education system, and the quality of their engineers .

[@AbdiPianoChannel]

I quiver with fear

[@IrishStock3]

The NATO pilots are obviously jealous of the SU - 37's maneuverability.

[@neiltolson8078]

Information platform without bias about 🇷🇺 tech?

[@josegomez95]

sorry, but make a cobra in modern combat is as useful as put a horn in an airplane

[@adivinaca]

only problem russian military industry people have is chossing better looking bussiness suits

[@xaone]

SU 57 The Best but USA aircraft can be better.

[@noonehere1793]

A beautiful GAS HOG….

[@shaunmcclory8117]

Su 24 looks remarkably like a Tornado

[@ok-ji6ux]

I am Indian and I like Russians fighter jets su - 75 checkmate

[@ReineDedeurwaerder-Sulmo-rz9cz]

[@darulaman3591]

Sukhoi su 27,,,flancker

[@otanguma]

Incredible aircraft, Good for flying circus.

[@fishjohn014]

19:10......yeah thats a little more than 2 miles high there chief hahaha 19,000 meters = 11.8 miles

[@stevensons78]

Way Rad

[@bababoey1433]

🥳

[@mia1shooter]

It does all that prancing & dancing and will still get splashed by a F-16😂😂😂

[@abhisheksoral5276]

Please Make It's Controls, a Little bit More Pilot Friendly For Indian Pilots, Because I Find It Very Difficult to Understand 1976-Russian Made RADAR's Controls, Even Myself.

[@danilo16410]

1:00:10 I think that with such plane and the possibility to stop the plane in that way, a skilled Russian top gun ala Thomas Cruiser pilot can avoid 5 nato planes while sending them down two or three.

[@johnf.kennedy]

The ukrainians put a bad rep on the Su-27. Poor performance in the war and constantly getting shot down by Russian VKS.

[@francoisjackson]

Clingon bird of prey

[@CrazyRussianPilot]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@myprivatewar]

airshow Queen

[@mas3ymd]

Canards are not equivalent to vectored thrust. The former is a control surface that requires airflow. Low airflow renders them useless. Thrust vectoring has no such limitation.

[@OmmerSyssel]

Imagine what the ordinary Russian would have gained in quality of living, if only some of these technological achievements trickled down the inhumane rigid Russian system ...

[@happyface4234]

The West would just try their hardest to take away those "qulity of living" of the Russian people.

[@danilo16410]

Ohh stop that pathetism. Imagine how well the 'merikens and all the world would live (in peace) without the stars'nstrippers spending so fanatically on arms. Even the Chinese wouldn't be pushed so much on armament if 'meriken fanatix wouldn't mess around Chinese sea with their floating crap. So the Chinese had to make a missile or two, to send that crap on the bottom when needed, and don't get mad on them if happen, because imagine Chinese flotilas stinking around the 'merikan coasts how the 'merikens are stinking around other borders and coasts.

[@OmmerSyssel]

@@danilo16410 Weird statement.. Without the gigantic support from USA Ukraine wouldn't exist today! Europe would also be totally different, definitely not for the better!

[@Heshem_Joel]

The game was NATO vs the Warsaw Pack, no letting down from both sides.

[@Deltaworks23]

@@OmmerSyssel There would be a lot fewer dead Ukrainians if the US didn't stick its nose in the world's business. US doesn't give a damn about Ukraine, it is all about Russia and preserving US dominance.

[@dusancorlija9088]

Spy work 24/7, identical planes on both sides.🤣😵

[@mictest12]

San Jakinto

[@paul.alarner6410]

luckily putin wasnt around to have embezzeled/stole all the development money then,or his bum chums!!

[@t.j.mccarthy3517]

The Americans could have had this plan but chose the F-18.

[@drstevenrey]

Yes, well Stalin did do that kind of stuff. He also killed the whole DNA teams, because he dreaded what they might find out about him. In the end, DNA was extensively researched in America. Gone was the Russian advantage. Again.

[@torbjornkampe6129]

when you see su-27 you think its origin is Russia. wrong completely wrong. when I was little I held a swallow in my hands. later saw a newspaper called flygrevun from Sweden. then the F-14, F-15 and F-16 were brand new aircraft the year was 1978 in famberuw UK. at the same time thought of something very maneuverable and takes more 10 tons of weapons and has a cockpit so you can see 360° around true a strong radar and a combination of F-14 and F-16. this was long before su-27 and test and prototype you T-10. Su-27 and MiG-29 are invented by a Swede. it is I who write this who came up with su-27 and mig-29 and not CCCP or Russia and you and me but me, long before su T-10 was even thought of. then the Swedish state banned me as an animal of radical hippie who looked like crap in my eyes. if I lived in the US I would work for NASA or Lockheed, MD and save other aerospace companies from going under. happy new year 🇺🇲🇸🇪🤠😎💋🥂🍾🥇🎓🐯

[@TerryCheever]

Pretty good bird, though funny watching the propaganda film, yeah that is certainly a propaganda production.

[@kodiak64]

@ 38:10... wasn't the Harrier's "viffing" (vectoring-in-forward-flight) revealed to be a myth?

[@garynew9637]

No

[@kodiak64]

@@garynew9637 Google it. Hush-Kit has an article explaining why it is a myth.

[@alanwayte432]

Flys well but make sure it has optional phone holder for GPs or your in trouble

[@felipesifuentes8235]

The most powerful aircraft the world, Russia is more that USA.

[@tommiatkins3443]

Imagine if this snapshot of Russian air competence mapped with reality. Rather than day after day after weeks after months of humiliation. Wouldn't it feel so good to think your airforce wasn't a joke, being butchered each day. Humiliated on tape. Exposed as useless and their pilots barely trained farmers?

[@MikeGuardiaAuthor]

Yep. Tragic irony?...or poetic justice?

[@yaboyed5779]

That’s what happens in modern day combat with peers.

[@Deltaworks23]

Lmao yet here we are a year later with Russia still having an air force and Ukraine begging incessantly for the collective West's jets. Watch out for that propaganda, ace.

[@christosswc]

Wouldn't it be great if you stopped listening to US propaganda for a second. Not everyone are geared towards world domination, sucking off the blood of the rest of the world to finance hundreds upon hundreds of military bases around the world. At the end of the day, Russia didn't expand towards NATO, the opposite happened.

[@garynew9637]

Your thinking is broken.

[@johnfilmore7638]

air-forces have not engaged in close-range "dog fights" chasing each others tail with their forward-pointing guns as a standard way of fighting since World War 2. Isreal engaged in dogfights in the 1970s against Soviet MiGs flown by Egypt & Syria, but that was mostly because no one would sell Isreal the latest a2a missiles, they had no choice. So the Russian & armchair nerding out over Russian acrobatics vs NATO fighters which carry a2a missiles and guidance systems several generations more advanced is kinda ridiculous. This geeking out over acrobatics superiority is like having a fully armed Speznaz team vs a fully armed Seal team, but then debating who would win if both sides used up all their weapons to no avail, and both were forced to fight against each other with their bare hands on a rock climbing wall. Russians arguably would win this ridiculous scenario, with a bunch of caveats, however the fantasy scenario basically requires BOTH sides to have first operated in the most incompetent idiotic manner, to end up on a rock wall with no weapons for "acrobats" or fighter maneuverability to come into play. The only meaningful vs scenario is "if Russian fighters had the full NATO a2a, a2g, small thermonuclear, antiship, HARM anti missile-defense radar, etc, weapons fully integrated to control by Russian airframes vs NATO, who would win?" Russian fighters still lose, unless now we go full fantasy about integrating all NATO electronic warfare, radar, IIRS, sensors, & targeting avionics into the airframe. As an example of progress, the pinnacle of 1980s sports cars Ferrari Testarossa would lose a race to a 2010 factory Ford Fusion ST hatchback...that's straight line, switchback, hill-climb would be a laughing joke, aerial acrobatics have virtually zero relevance to combat effectiveness with modern fighters. Zero!

[@jamesjross]

I like how the landing gear lowers as hes coming to a stop. NICE 34:30