Sukuna vs Muzan - The King of Curses vs Demon King

[@bonquequee2931]

“Ahh yes my demon slaying technique that I haven’t used since the Hien era”

[@fleshizweak5864]

It'll most likely end up like that frr

[@Drawing_with_Divine]

This is so real

[@catherinemorales5480]

Isn’t sukuna a demon?

[@G00gobert]

​@@catherinemorales5480 kind of, hes a curse

[@yhorm5129]

@@G00gobert well no hes a reincarnated cursed object, but hes still a human sorcerer

[@Sanderalbaz]

"Stand proud muzan, you are truly a baby"

[@maverickk4910]

"Stand proud Sukuna , you are truly a *Pou*"

[@idkwhattoputherelol-c1d]

@@maverickk4910 - yuji

[@rodrigop2198]

​slime*

[@justanormaldude5182]

-Glopkuna

[@narrativeless404]

​@@rodrigop2198 Rimuru: 💀

[@Revision-Harrowed]

The idea of Sukuna having a closed barrier domain makes the hilarious scenario of Sukuna and Muzan duking it out for hours inside a domain, followed by Muzan finally damaging Sukuna enough through the slashes to get his domain to break... only for his mutilated body to promptly die in direct sunlight he had no idea was outside the barrier come to mind.

[@Revision-Harrowed]

Or, Sukuna committing Hakari / Yuta like barrier shenanigans where he pulls his barrier up into the open air after Muzan escapes the sunlight once and just lets him be bombed by the sun -- As I think it is reasonable for Sukuna to notice Muzan fleeing the sunlight if it happens once. Of course, Sukuna is also just likely to accidentally break apart any building Muzan may flee into just because... well, he does Sukuna things with dismantles.

[@justacommentator129]

sukuna cannot domain for hours bro, idk who told u that, sukuna vs gojo fight was 20 minutes max. In the manga we are told that sukuna lost half his ce from gojo, even if we assume the domains he used in that time consumed 5% of his ce then it will still be impossible for him to use more than an hour. You also forget that muzan is a genius with multiple brains, he will calculate time till day and stop fighting when its needed

[@Revision-Harrowed]

@@justacommentator129 Nowhere in the series is it stated or shown that Domain Expansions take a tremendous amount of energy to sustain, as they appear only to need such a vast amount of energy to create. Additionally, a character like Dagon is able to sustain their domain for extended periods of time... who has far inferior cursed energy reserves and efficiency to Sukuna. Unless you think Dagon is just that cracked and beats out Gojo and Sukuna in terms of Stamina, there's no reason to assert that Sukuna wouldn't be able to do battle for hours. Do remember that Sukuna is stated to have at least twice Yuta's Cursed energy, and is also stated to have near-Gojo like levels of CE efficiency. The amount of techniques, RCT, and domains he used in Shinjuku were obscene. Also, Gojo got Sukuna to use half his Cursed energy, not 5%. But that was with three entire domain expansions and a massive amount of RCT use combined, while under these conditions it would be very hard to make Sukuna's domain ever break.... Also, also, yeah! Muzan would probably try to stop fighting when the sun comes out, I agree! It doesn't particularly matter when no building, tree, or area in general would be able to survive any of Sukuna's attacks... Unless you're making the battleground heavily favour Muzan, his attempt to flee into the shadows is pretty much just death for him. Even moreso if Sukuna just domains again and then drops the barrier randomly or something lie that.

[@justacommentator129]

@@Revision-Harrowed Did you forget sukuna actively only encloses his giant domain with a barrier for a few seconds after fuga? If it only costed to create then to maintain he would’ve just left it on when opening domain if he knew he was going to use fuga against everyone anyways.

[@justacommentator129]

@@Revision-Harrowed Dagon only sustained for 3 minutes most and that’s only because his sure hit is weak

[@dark_matter869]

One of the other main flaws of Muzan is that he is, by no means, a tactician. When it comes to avoiding confrontation, he’s decent in that aspect, but in terms of his actual battle iq, it’s hot garbage. Muzan has a crap ton of capabilities at his disposal, his range far surpassing Sukuna’s, but he’s likely to only use a few different abilities throughout the entire battle. Muzan is incredibly fast and has a ton of stamina, and even with Sukuna’s domain and whatnot, Muzan can at least keep Sukuna on his toes for a bit or force him to rethink strategies, but Muzan fights more like a cornered animal rather than an intellectual person and I feel like that’s a genuine flaw that doesn’t get talked about enough.

[@MahiMahi-yu5jo]

That is the canonical flaw of Muzan and I'm glad you pointed it out. Ubuyashiki was always the superior strategist. In addition to his fore sight, he was able to understand human nature. Now I'm imagining Kagaya Ubuyashiki as a demon. I don't think even Sukuna stands a chance against that...

[@soep19]

that's who muzan is, a rabbit chased by the hounds of death, down to the very end

[@kiranthakur8793]

That's muzan's character, he's just a random narcissistic dude with max vampire stats. Any other uppermoons with muzan's lvl of strength and abilities would make an overpowering villain like Sukuna

[@Justafeint]

​@@MahiMahi-yu5joConsidering Sukuna's adaptability and his desire to stand and stay on top. He will win.

[@narrativeless404]

​@@soep19 Muzan is literally Mahito minus the soul attacks

[@ashtunnorman4208]

We also can't forget the sukuna was fighting the rest of the cast with his brain still fried

[@gustavosauro1882]

And Muzan also was severely weakened because of poison

[@ashtunnorman4208]

@@gustavosauro1882 true on that but poisoning and severe brain damage are two different things with different severities to them

[@redithorror-p6t]

@@ashtunnorman4208 muzans case was infinitely worse than sukunas. muzan was aged an extra 10 thousand years and poisoned with a drug that turns demons into humans which severely weakened his healing. on top of all that his cells were also deteriorating. meanwhile the only adverse effects of sukunas brain being fried is him not being able to use domain expansion

[@ashtunnorman4208]

You've beaten my point but muzans ego is his biggest weakness

[@Cryonan]

Don’t forget that he didn’t just age, his body also went that speed. This means he didn’t eat at all for all that time, and had been fighting nonstop for thousands of years. With none of these poison debuffs he effectively has infinite stamina

[@jiero3253]

But who wins........ potato Sukuna vs baby muzan 🤔

[@Drunkgg775]

Poukuna and babyzan*

[@rodrigop2198]

Shitkuna and babyzan*

[@Emporio_of_Light]

@@rodrigop2198shitzan

[@pakistanaisEditz]

Blobkuna and babyzan*

[@zoo_m]

Slimekuna vs Babyzan*

[@PDUMBASS-]

Tbh I think that fuga just kills and deletes Muzan so quick I don’t think his healing factor won’t matter

[@jamesrogers4690]

Muzan ain't got nothing on big raga and we all saw how that went

[@Bestjokermain]

@@PDUMBASS- wouldn't hit

[@Homanderr]

@@jamesrogers4690 paparaga will adapt

[@coolasiankid898]

itll kill all his cells which is the main thing of his regeneration😭

[@Bestjokermain]

@@coolasiankid898 never will hit

[@TheManBehindtheFunny]

The fire arrow definitely could work in my opinion. It ain't your average fire attack, we're talking fire that burned a curse who had that as his specialty. Flames hotter than LAVA. Sukuna is cooking this man in the Malevolent Kitchen.

[@TheManBehindtheFunny]

This a repost of my comment (there was a kid who could not shut up in the replies) but there was a good comment in the original thread I really liked: "I wanna point out one thing and one thing only. Sukuna's fire arrow was likened to Thermobaric Missles. Those missles when compared to the explosives of the Taisho Period (at most 1926) are like comparing a stove fire to C4. Muzan would be absolutely wreaked by that. On top of which, Sukuna's Domain Fire Arrow was explained as blowing up all atoms and particles in the confines of said domain, honestly it's a miracle that Yuji was able to survive that attack even if Choso sacrificed his life, cause the manga was describing was akin to nuclear fission, a massive part in Sun, arguably creating Muzan's win condition." Original comment from LupaPhoenix.

[@gustavosauro1882]

​@@TheManBehindtheFunny the thing is, demon's weakness to the sun is due to a curse and not because of the energy or something like that

[@hyrle4471]

@@gustavosauro1882 They can still be harmed by explosions and fire as demonstrated right before the infinity castle arc where muzan is blown to bits by a single explosion. Imagine a constant barrage of those explosions and fire capable of burning even a fire based special grade curse. Also the fact that sukunas fire arrow dwarfs the explosion that had muzan looking like pulled pork.

[@clayless8701]

facts, also it's stated that if every cell in Muzan's body is destroyed, he dies as he won't be able to regenerate. Basically sukuna's win con against muzan is the same as his win con against big raga, and we all saw how that went

[@gustavosauro1882]

@@hyrle4471 good point I honestly have no idea what a thermobaric explosion is, but some people in the comment section said that it is incredibly powerful so I guess it might kill him

[@meta4240]

Alternative Title: Coughing Baby vs Mashed Potatoes

[@Flamingo48923]

Four armed freak vs Four brained dumbass

[@noveris6538]

@@meta4240 IT'S POUKUNA NOT POTATO HE IS A POOPOO

[@code066funkinbird3]

Lol

[@murphydaquan]

I actually loved the way Sukuna went out, if he's actually gone that is. And i like the way the story is ending so far. Sukuna absolutely not only lived up to the hype, he exceeded it. My only gripe is that i wanna know what Yuji's Domain is called😂

[@Six-bw3ir]

W take I agree.

[@FemboyEnjoyer_Sukuna]

I don't know how to feel bruh what even was sukuna?

[@IdontlikeWhytepeople]

@@Six-bw3irI see you on every jjk vid regardless of content creator, mad respect bro. And your takes are always valid🫡

[@zq9817]

​@@FemboyEnjoyer_SukunaA dude who glorified battle

[@jacopwashere]

We don't even know what yuji domain does😭

[@marlonmug6037]

why does everyone that argue for ftl jjk only bring up the scene where it looks like sukuna aimdidged, why not show the scene in chapter 238 where kashimo shot a massive em wave at sukuna and then sukuna chanted and then cut the attack before it even reached halfway to him. this is the most concrete ftl feat for jjk, if youre gonna say mitsuri and hashiras are lightning speed plus cause they could dodge lightning, then sukuna chanting and cutting a lightspeed attack would put him WAY faster than any demon slayers characters.

[@s_purp]

People are ignorant ima up this and screenshot it for debates

[@marlonmug6037]

@@s_purp real

[@mrblack9079]

Daym right

[@1Heph]

So true

[@Alacaelum]

Isnt it? And there is more. People are mistaking raw speed with reaction speed, they are not the same. Let say a person can perceive something three times faster than a person that can move three times faster, the first person can move out of the way of the first.

[@starsturck2701]

all i can imagine is this fight starts with muzan flexing his immortality and sukuna just sitting in his domain slashing him for 8 hours till sunrise.

[@Flamingo48923]

Muzan is just realizing that Sukuna can’t kill him but is silenced by turning into a 4 piece combo that Uraume is surely gonna cook

[@WallNutBreaker524]

Muzan is totally just gonna stand there and take the beating. 🙃

[@Flamingo48923]

@@WallNutBreaker524 I’m sure Sukuna can affect the soul like he did with Mahito’s or just use his domain expansion and then Fuga

[@Jeza-p6e]

@@Flamingo48923 No, Sukuna cant damage soul, the reason why he attack Mahito soul is because Mahito can be damaged from the soul by ANY domain expansion battle, now stops glazing and accept muzan have too much oportunitty vs sukuna heian era

[@Jeza-p6e]

@@Flamingo48923 its crazy how a fan from jjk dont know how he's own verse work, jjk fans just talk and say sukuna 15 fingers is enouhg with error feat and bad arguments

[@bruno17289]

I think Sukuna having to wait a night to defeat Muzan is preposterous, all he need to do is one shot him aka destroy all his cells at the same time. He can either use Fuuga, or use Malevolent Shrine in an enclose space while reducing the range but augmenting his potency. Also dude is a genius when it comes to fighting, tactics and strategy, the moment he realizes Muzan has infinite Regen, which will take him a minute he will start to target his soul.

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

What soul buddy he has no soul and muzan speedblitz

[@Charmander-wy5tp]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 we know souls exist in demon slayer because of the mugen train arc and speed doesn’t equal power a character can be as fast as they want but if they can’t do damage they can’t win

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

​@@Charmander-wy5tpUp scale him from Gyutaro's town calc and now he's on a similar tier as Gojo and Sukuna who's strongest attacks are calced at large town to small city respectively. Or city using the anime. This should be more than enough to hurt them considering the former nearly killed Sukuna and the latter can one shot Mahoraga who can hurt Gojo.

[@maltheicebear1847]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 speedblitz means nothing if he can’t kill him before he catches up

[@dannyfenton9335]

​@jackaboynaylor9273 Sorry, but up to date calcs have Sakuna sitting at island to large island level. The power discrepancy is actually quite large between them.

[@kv5hn.635]

The King of Curses vs The King of Demons🤦🏾‍♂️ cmon bro how’d you miss that fire intro😭

[@beefjiggler5665]

The Strongest Sorcerer in History vs The Strongest Demon in History

[@LucasGault-rp5dn]

@@beefjiggler5665 I thought gojo was stronger

[@beefjiggler5665]

@@LucasGault-rp5dn he clearly wasn’t lmao

[@SelebriusX]

@@beefjiggler5665 If mahoraga haven't adapted to infinity, pou would stand no chance. Pou needed 3 boyfriends to deal with kitkat, and yet was on 1 hp after.

[@dr.boring7022]

​@@SelebriusX The second part of your comment is hilarious 😂

[@Danielpaul717]

I do not agree when you say muzan can survive the Furnace in sukuna's domain. And here is why. While Muzan’s regeneration is undeniably fast and impressive, it's crucial to recognize the limitations of his abilities when faced with extreme conditions like those in Sukuna’s domain, particularly the activation of the "furnace." The furnace generates temperatures ranging from 3,000 to 5,000 degrees Celsius (5,432 to 9,032 degrees Fahrenheit), quite similar to thermobaric bombs and I up the temperature because sukuna's flames are stated to be extermely powerfull though slow. Although Muzan is depicted as highly durable within the Demon Slayer verse, these temperatures are far beyond what any biological material, including his, can withstand. At such extremes, metal vaporizes, and organic matter disintegrates at the molecular level. In the context of Demon Slayer, demons are typically invulnerable to most forms of damage due to their rapid regeneration. However, this invulnerability is limited by the type of damage they sustain. The verse simply lacks the kind of firepower necessary to completely obliterate a demon, which is why only the sun or a Nichirin blade can kill them. But that doesn't mean Muzan could survive being reduced to nothing. His regeneration isn’t magical; it's biological, and biology has its limits. Moreover, the thermobaric effect within Sukuna’s furnace would not only subject Muzan to extreme heat but also to a devastating vacuum pressure. This combination would crush and tear apart anything organic, making regeneration impossible. No matter how fast he heals, Muzan is still an organic being, and he would be destroyed faster than his cells could ever hope to regenerate. The furnace would obliterate him completely, leaving no chance of survival. You can double check the scientific evidences but, Sukuna has that win condition. he will most likely play around with Muzan and Furnace him when he is done having fun, just like he did with Makora, no difference really.

[@Crimzonbreaker]

Idk where you got your info but mine was different. This is my argument. Sukuna's Furnace the way it actually explodes is by setting the air on fire causing a chain of explosions. The initial blast isn't very powerful nor does it cover a large range in that slit second. >!Muzan tanked an explosion point blank only being damaged by Nichirin shrapnel!< During an explosion, a grenade creates a fire cloud of 13m³ for four seconds, where the temperature reaches 2500-3000°C A thermobaric explosion is described like this The measured maximum explosion temperatures ranged from approximately 1550 K for tin and tungsten powders to approximately 2800 K for aluminum, magnesium, and titanium powders. Muzan has enough heat resistance to handle being in the furnace. Ofc this is coupled with him actively trying to escape it's range.

[@MC_rep]

that on top of the slashes from his domain would vaporize muzan

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

Heres the thing though, just like with the sun that instantly burns the cells of demons. A muzan who was essentially starved for 10000 years was able to withstand the sun by increasing his flesh. Muzan while unnerfed could most definitely create enough biomass to outlast Fuuga and leave with a decent amount of stamina as well.

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

Muzan already survived a big explosion, lol.

[@patriotsz]

why does this comment sound ai generated

[@ZunkleFunkle]

Could we argue that because JJK takes place in 2018 Japan and that Yuji has referenced other WSJ before, there's a chance that Yuji has read Demon Slayer and therefore Sukuna is aware of the sunlight weakness?

[@KiraiKatsuji]

Well yeah he most likely at least heard of the big shonen and Sukuna has his memories so it makes perfect sense

[@crocoboi7936]

I love how this is a possibility

[@happyguy1341]

Interesting idea.

[@be7256]

got damn. this works.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

What?

[@xochipilli9435]

Another factor is that Muzan wouldn’t be able to keep Sukuna dead as sorcerers who die without cursed energy being used are able to turn themselves into vengeful spirits like Naoya did. And cursed spirits can only be killed/exorcised by cursed energy, so even if Muzan did kill Sukuna it wouldn’t stick and he’d come back, and would be unkillable. And Muzan has no way to kill a vengeful spirit Sukuna. While Sukuna could just keep going and not worry even if he runs out of cursed energy as Muzan still wouldn’t be able to kill him, and with time the sun will appear and force Muzan’s weakness to be revealed, Sukuna is very good at analyzing people their abilities and weaknesses

[@mwsage8645]

Furnace would kill Muzan, muzan isn’t immortal he was just born in a time when there was no way to atomically destroy someone, furnace is confirmed to destroy at the molecular level and we know muzan is not resisting it

[@donuts9549]

Imagine Muzan thinking he will win because of the huge speed difference and then hearing: "RYOIKI TENKAI." and that's just the beginning of the end.

[@__Kealon__Aloven]

If muzan is smart he would just start attacking sukuna's hands after he notices it from the first domain, like as he is putting them together he would try to intrupt it with a tantackle or sum

[@joeyloll]

Sukuna can use RCT insanely fast, he'd just regen his hands​@@__Kealon__Aloven

[@oidotsuc5165]

bruh muzan would do enough damage to sukuna forcing his domain to break just like gojo did to sukuna while using full reverse curse energy the only diff is that muzabwould probably just walk tru the domain like mahoraga unlike gojo that needed to put simple domain i think broken ronin forgot about that ok let me expand on this f1. irst of all muzan will regenerate from anything sukuna can throw at him cuz 1 he can only be killed by the sun or a demon slayer sword and 2 he regenerates faster then u can cut him as we seen in his last form when he was fighting demon slayer that are faster then sukuna. the demon slayer cuts weren't doing anything to a weaken muzan cuz he was regenerating faster then the cut it self so it just look like it just fazed troughs him 2. second gojo was able to withstand sukuna domain and apply enough damage to sukuna in hand to hand to the point sukuna couldnt maintain his domain muzan would probably do the same as gojo but better cuz his faster and can regenrate faster 3. o tho muzan dont have city level of attack we know sukuna can be damage by people much weaker then him 4 last and not least No sukuna dont have soul attacks at least not to the level yuji does as we seen sukuna use a soul attack once in the whole series and that was on mahito when mahito was in sukunas soul if he did have soul attacks this series would have ended a lot sunner as theres only a few people that can see there souls. 5 at the end i do believe both have there own wins cons but i say muzan wins more often then not plz stop glazing

[@ididntaskverified3663]

Sukuna has 4 arms

[@LetftToenail]

@@oidotsuc5165 hell no

[@MrGksarathy]

I personally think Fuga could completely atomize Muzan and prevent his regeneration, sunlight or not.

[@Jeza-p6e]

Fuga is strong but muzan can just dodge that, even jogo and choso still have body when they got fuga, so its obvious muzan just regen that

[@MrGksarathy]

@@Jeza-p6e Muzan isn't that fast, especially since he'd already be trapped in Malevolent Shrine to get hit by Fuga. Not to mention, Choso only held his form for a couple of seconds before getting disintegrated into ash, and Jogo wasn't even hit by the full technique, seemingly. It could absolutely destroy Muzan in a single hit, especially when taking into account prior damage.

[@Jeza-p6e]

@@MrGksarathy jogo is already fire, fuga cant kill him if that got "no full technique" also, akaza durability is more than enough to surpass jogo durability, now imagine muzan durability with no drugs, is just c mon man, muzan can just walk in the domain of sukuna so easy dodge, if he cant dodge his durability + instant regeneretion is enough for fuga

[@Jeza-p6e]

@@MrGksarathy the manga or anime never said sukuna throw fuga with no full power at jogo so please stop saying that

[@MrGksarathy]

@@Jeza-p6e I mean, how the hell else did he kill Jogo with it without even opening his Domain? I was just guessing because Gege couldn't be added to explain much.

[@DJMilez]

23:05 Today I learned that braggadocious is a word

[@TrulyAFreak]

fax

[@GregariousOp]

I guarantee if Muzan had that Sukuna mindset combined with an actual blood demon art befitting of his character and nature, like the ability to “twist” anything, even reality, he would be an absolute terror. The way I envisioned Muzan as a character is that he is unnatural in nature, something that has no place in this world or even this universe. So giving him an ability that reflects that, as mentioned earlier, would make him more interesting. This power would be unique as it would serve as a plot device for the narrative, a dimension to Muzan’s character, and a wild card in battles. Much like Sukuna’s curse technique, Muzan’s demon art would be simple in concept but extremely unpredictable and dangerous.

[@mrmcawesome9746]

Except... why would he need it? Sukuna's entire life is based on conflict and violence, Muzan has only ever been in danger once. He had full control over all other demons, and demon slayers without the mark / transparent world / red blade were nothing to him. Sure it'd be cool if he pulled out a crazy blood demon art, but it'd defeat the purpose of his character. He's not meant to be a monster, in fact compared to most other demons he's _very_ human, he has always just been afraid of death. The idea that when faced with danger he literally lashes out at everything around him is wonderful writing, even if it doesn't have the same hype as JJK.

[@SQUID10boy]

@@GregariousOp yeah…. But instead of a cool shadow/fire/reality-warping/cosmic blood-demon art?… We got fast meat whips.

[@GregariousOp]

@@SQUID10boy Fingers crossed the final Demon Slayer movie does Muzan justice.

[@SQUID10boy]

@@GregariousOp knowing ufotable? They’re probably gonna make it dwarf whatever blood demon arts/fights we’ve seen thus far. I have faith

[@GregariousOp]

@@SQUID10boy Watch the JJK fandom hop on board with their brain rot bullshit once it happens.

[@istaka1416]

Binding Vow is such an OP move in powerscalling debates lol 💀

[@idkwhattoputherelol-c1d]

"bu-but domain don't work on no CE people!" A binding vow:

[@JujutsuF3IN]

@@idkwhattoputherelol-c1d dismantle:

[@xyberlust]

I mean that's literally how gege set it up 😂 a convenient excuse tbh

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

If only more characters used it like Mei Mei. Geto would actually be number 1 in the verse if he did 💀 imagine thousands of curses that all have AT LEAST the power to one shot special grade curses 💀💀💀

[@coconut7490]

Gege is a HxH fanboy so of course he had to add something similar in his verse lol

[@Kaido1772]

Just to let everyone know, on 1:45, that was a weakened muzan to perform this feat.

[@pauljrechezona3126]

A fully healthy muzan would smoke everyone

[@kerroseir4764]

Yeah they ALWAYS forget the fact they had to nerf him to even have a chance/insurance because they knew he was a strategist

[@Future_jira]

It’s unscalable since we don’t know how many years where shaved off of muzan

[@oceanmantm5665]

God how much i wish we saw muzan at his fullest even if only in non canon material such as a "what if" scenario In theory muzan should have been simply absurd,but the fact he's a coward makes him look like such a joke.

[@pauljrechezona3126]

@@Future_jira they literally said it in the manga it was about 9000years plus his already 1000 years making him about 10000years old

[@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg]

Okay but regarding lightspeed JJK, you argue against the lightspeed dodge from chapter 237 at 11:48; but what about the 2nd lightspeed attack launched at Sukuna in 238, seen in this video at 14:51? While the 1st EM wave attack was not seen firing before Sukuna reacted, the 2nd attack was very clearly already flying by the time Sukuna responded; and while that response was not a _dodge_ per se, he did instead get his hands in position for the world slash...and belt out the full chant of "Scale of the Dragon. Recoil. Twin Meteors." So very clearly, his vocal cords are well above light speed. And in all seriousness, if lightspeed speech doesn't count for much; we can at minimum give Sukuna reaction timing for small movements to lightspeed attacks, comparable to Kashimo's lighting reaction timing.

[@laraaleixei]

to be honest i think sukuna wins for 2 reasons 1. sukuna will attack his soul directly, RCT is not the same as the regeneration of muzan, making it very probably that attacks to the soul are really effective against muzan since we don’t have a way to proof that muzan that walk out of this attacks 2. maybe sukuna doesn’t have inf curse energy, but he is more then capable of having a fight until the sun rises so he would eventually find out the weakest of muzan because he would try to hide from the sun, sukuna would use domain expansion to trap him, use flaming arrow and destroy any possible place muzan could use to hide

[@iprefertouchinggrass]

finally someone who looked at this fight closely and explain everything ofc you can argue on some statements that he made but still, that is one of the best sukuna vs muzan videos i've seen so far unfortunately glazers (mainly sukuna's one) still are going to say that they favorite character from their favorite verse negs this fooder

[@bushamo]

Ok but neither are beating Miwa

[@Flamingo48923]

Let bro cook

[@longy_the_not_so_og]

But miwa can’t meet muratas galaxy breathing

[@happyguy1341]

@@longy_the_not_so_og Miwa can just use her extremely *advanced* domain and destroy him

[@GaionSputro]

Best girl.

[@skyprior3866]

​@@happyguy1341What fools, no one would even see her hyperversal complex domain.

[@allanmeddour9741]

Sukuna doesn't have 2 times gojo CE, he has 2 times or more than yuta, who has more than gojo

[@imashbuttons]

One of the best Sukuna versus vids out there, love the way you broke it down so thoroughly.

[@animeato6609]

i really respect this video the more human nature of demon slayer with its less varied amount of powers due to the breathing styles being fake has definitely caused the community to downplay it for years thinking that the slayers and demons are nothing more than really strong humans i agree as well anyone who thinks lower tier jjk characters can just beat muzan just dont know what their talking about and dont want to acknowledge the speed scaling ds has and the while limited, really useful hax the demons have awesome video ronin😁

[@otitoekwueme4271]

@@animeato6609 it’s actually funny how If Sukuna is not careful, gyokko can turn him into fishes with a touch 😭

[@NonAryanDuck]

I know this is up your alley, but it's still a surprise to see you here haha

[@Future_jira]

Says the guy that said 15 finger loses to yoriichi 💀💀💀

[@senjusan6359]

@@otitoekwueme4271 Sukuna yeah, Gojo on another hand would stay there while blindfolded, bored as hell 🤣🤣

[@NonAryanDuck]

@@Future_jira Bro's not lying. DS is pretty underrated.

[@Lord_Taylor-b2w]

Whoever came up with sukuna vs Muzan has something against muzan fs😭😭 Damn I was wrong didn’t know demon slayer was this fast

[@MinatotheGreenLantern]

Lmao

[@MinatotheGreenLantern]

Demon Slayer is underrated in terms of Speed

[@elijahedwards5360]

It's not, that's a high ball.

[@Xero-rr2ol]

@@elijahedwards5360 no its not

[@koz3ris252]

​@@elijahedwards5360it's literally mid ball.

[@Future_jira]

2:18 that’s kinda contradicted when the building explosion trap set for him nearly kills him

[@ANAN-m2v]

Muzan's durability is very low. Recall that Tamayo, a weaker demon than the fodder demon in Season 1, easily pierced Muzan's stomach. This is probably because Muzan doesn't need to harden his body since he can survive being decapitated. In exchange, Muzan's regeneration is faster than any other demon.

[@Adrazda]

@@Future_jira muzan only has good endurance his durability is pretty wack

[@M4rstheplanet]

The trap did not almost kill him, he quite regen'd right after. But as for his durability, I agree with the others it is wack. But his regen more than enough makes up for it.

[@flaviomadeiramirandafilho3469]

The speed of an explosion is much, much lower than lightining. Like explosions goes around thousands of meters second while lightining goes around hundreds of thousands of kilometers per second. If he was consistent in his speed dodging those explosions would be the easiest part of that whole chapter.

[@Future_jira]

@@Adrazda yeah that’s why this town lvl muzan is kinda inconsistent and wack

[@michaelespinoza2150]

What sells Sukuna being faster than Muzan is that unlike the cast, Muzan has no way to nerf Sukuna on every hit nor permanently damage his soul. So he’s gonna be just as fast as he was when fighting Gojo, if not faster and way more durable if he’s in 20 finger form…. Just sayin. Side note: the argument that kashimo was aiming at the floor just to deny Sukuna’s POTENTIAL ftl scaling is laughable. Mind you it’s still not ftl because the em waves aren’t in a vacuum but Sukuna still dodged them point blank😭 like this argument is so dumb, what? Kashimo waiting 400 years to fight the floor?? Lmao do better.

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

@@michaelespinoza2150 buddy what soul u talking about then muzan cant die because no nichirin💀

[@Charmander-wy5tp]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 sukuna can die from the sun or if all of him gets destroyed which the flame arrow can do

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

@@Charmander-wy5tp buddy fire and sun arent the same thing💀

[@単なる負け犬]

@@juenxhoxhi5770yeah his reasoning was wrong but Fuga + domain expansion would kill Muzan, their would be nothing for Muzan to regenerate from so he’d be unable to and thus just die

[@単なる負け犬]

Also isn’t sukuna ftl? The highest I’ve seen Muzan is scared to mhs+ or relativistic, meanwhile sukuna literally dodged and reacted to electromagnetic waves several times, and reacted to a pillar of light descending down onto him, are these not ftl feats? Or at the bare minimum sol?

[@udiomoudochi8696]

I can't take muzan seriously, imagine taking an L so bad that an entire race remembers an L they never took😂

[@dr.boring7022]

LMFAO facts. The demons could have taken over the whole country and had the slayers packed up, but they scared because Muzan and Kokushibo took an L and that means they all next 😂

[@dovahboii6322]

It wasn't just an L, Muzan was almost killed. Of course he has PTSD from that crap, I'd like to see how you would handle being almost murdered.

[@rafaelt8589]

23:20 to be honest, i think Sukuna would be continuously popping domains instead of just keeping one domain open, and eventually Muzan would flinch for even a split second at the sight of the barrier opening- and that might genuinely be enough for Sukuna to understand it

[@GaionSputro]

Thanks for timestamp. Now l can watching it more shortly.

[@kelvinng6486]

when people realise that the slayers 'powers' are just effects lol

[@Kokolitofora]

0:28 Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[@pauljrechezona3126]

@@Kokolitofora baby sakuna is cooked

[@Xero-rr2ol]

Cope

[@wadahecc]

​@@Xero-rr2olyou sound like the one coping here, replying to almost every comment

[@Xero-rr2ol]

@@wadahecc im just vibin

[@wadahecc]

@@Xero-rr2ol 👽

[@water_cat1344]

I love the break down of both opponents in this vid! It truly gives the viewer the chance to understand not just who or what the characters are, but when and why they can / will do things. My only gripe is that muzan would likely be killed outright by an open, unless he resorted to scattering into many tiny pieces. and due to the no knowledge on opponent before hand rule, he's got a high chance to be inside sukuna's domain by then, meaning it would only be prolonging how long he would survive.

[@MahiMahi-yu5jo]

One pitiful monster fighting another pitiful monster. Really, this is a win for humanity. The sorcerers and slayers have to step in after one is done to finish of the other...

[@Flamingo48923]

I see Muzan getting jumped but Sukuna can just put out another shrine and regenerate

[@WallNutBreaker524]

Regeneration is literally Muzans greatest strength. 😑

[@goldenshadow9776]

Michael Jackson vs General Grievous

[@Maybe_furry675]

Nah Michael Jackson vs Machamp

[@ToxicQueen2787]

top 2 biggest attacks in the series were like city level at most its absurd to say Sukuna is Mountain or island level

[@Guntarus]

"Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing baby" ahh lineup 😭

[@deeznuts3631]

No it ain’t don’t meat ride Jjk too much fuck up already and give feats

[@thatoneotheridiot3361]

I lean towards Sukuna here for one reason: Endurance. Not his own, but the fact that his opponent's win condition is endurance would mean that he has MORE than enough time to realize that he has no solid way to kill Muzan normally, and find a way to. Sukuna wouldn't just try the exact same thing for 12 hours straight, he's shown himself to have the tactical ability to change his methods and experiment.

[@Pherretfish]

You mentioned muzan being nerfed but didn't really take it into account. Without that, his speed and strength should scale higher, domain expansion on muzan would look similar to mahoraga in which they both can still move around freely ss they want since his regeneration would be even faster. Even if the sun was rising, muzan wouldn't stick around. Depending on the location, it could be very easy for him to avoid sunlight long enough to avoid damage. I still think sukuna wins more often but its very possible for muzan to win. Besides that video was good, since you did sukuna a video on gojo vs regulus corneas would be cool

[@davidabraham5902]

Muzan is like Mahito from another verse. Shapeshifting himself? Checks out. Shapeshifting and controlling others? Checks out. Is vulnerable only to a specific thing? Yeah, checks out. Is evil? Yep. Becomes very desperate and cowardlu at the moment hes losing? Yeah. Atleast once made himself a giant blob/baby? YES

[@MoreFunThanNoFun]

Ok so I finally finished the video. I ended up really liking the breakdown and different possibilities that you explored. I just think Sukuna is too curious and has too much fun in fights to not eventually end up in the sun on accident, with how long the fight would have to be.

[@wander1139]

the biggest problem with muzan is we never see him at full strength we only see him poisoned and actively dyeing while fighting

[@Jmofromthebando7]

you could say the same for sukuna fr

[@Flamingo48923]

@@Jmofromthebando7Sukuna got brain damage, probably tired as hell, getting jumped and getting his soul beat up

[@Jmofromthebando7]

@@Flamingo48923 true. But my point was because he never got his last finger and wasn’t actually in his own body

[@Flamingo48923]

@@Jmofromthebando7 Didn’t his previous corpse make up for the last finger? So he’s technically at full power but not maintaining his entire soul

[@Jmofromthebando7]

@@Flamingo48923 umm tbh I’m not sure my guy, but I would assume that’s because he really only had part of his soul and needed a vessel that we never really saw his full power.

[@PlatinumMann]

His electrical blast is one of his most broken abilities. I agree with the majority of the scaling, however not gonna lie. That electrical shockwave is busted if he were to use it more than once it would allow muzan to land extra hits, and because it affects the brain it would definitely hurt him a lot and negate some cursed energy Not only with this one ability be effective during a domain expansion it would be completely useful if he was backed up into a corner by sukuna

[@bikuta9958]

My man

[@EMo-f2r]

@@PlatinumMann Exactly

[@LucasGault-rp5dn]

It's not electrical it's just shock waves

[@bikuta9958]

@@LucasGault-rp5dn it's lightning read the manga

[@anuragdas4605]

Sukuna vs Muzan ❎ Shit vs Baby ☑️

[@hubertus3794]

XD

[@Meldrick-jv7sy]

Nah. Mashed potatoe vs baby.

[@Generic_username69]

Tsar bomba vs coughing baby

[@3rr0rs]

Pou Vs. Fat Baby

[@Your_Ordinary_Jo]

Cumkuna vs Michael Jackson

[@vsvpslim]

World's most accurate thumbnail

[@1Heph]

Facts lol this is just bullying should be manito vs muzan

[@Flamingo48923]

@@1HephMahito would win, one little touch or his domain and Muzan is just gonna turn into a dumb baby thing or just lose his upper body

[@1Heph]

@@Flamingo48923 lmao

[@deeznuts3631]

@@Flamingo48923lmao no

[@deeznuts3631]

@@Flamingo48923are you dumb muzan could re form his body over and over and over again if his cells are still in touch

[@christopherjohnson577]

Feel like jjk speed scaling was largely lowballed honestly but good video nonetheless

[@SelinaIgwe]

It isn't sukuna only predicted kashimo em wave from the change in his ce like he did with gojo at the end of their fight

[@christopherjohnson577]

@@SelinaIgwe we have no proof of that.

[@SelinaIgwe]

Read chapter 235 the narrator said and I quote"a spark that is ,the curse energy that swell up within a sorcerer just before the activation of a curse technique "... "Even gojo satorou with his emense cure efficiency is no exception to this rule.

[@SelinaIgwe]

@@christopherjohnson577 that obviously what he used to react to kashimo attack ,and sorcerers have better reaction time to curse energy like the first fight between teen gojo and togi ,gojo could not track toji but could track the curse toji was carrying because os course energy but nobody in da has curse energy especially the demons

[@vizzy6473]

I think the one thing you mainly forget is that there is a scene in which Muzan almost died without the Sun or a Nichirin sword. Yoriichi would have killed Muzan if he cut his body a bit more, which means 1 of 2 things, both of which are good for Sukuna. Either this means that Muzan’s regeneration does take quite a bit of time, and that regenerating from small enough bits and pieces would’ve taken long enough that the Sun would have been out before he finished regenerating enough to escape, or it means that a significant enough amount of damage to the body can kill him even without his specific weaknesses. In option A, it means that Malevolent Shrine should be a pretty good win-con, since its continuous slashes would eventually cut Muzan down to a smaller level than what Yoriichi could, and he’ll regenerate too slowly to escape. In option B, it’s even better for Sukuna because there are two win cons instead of one. If Muzan’s healing factor can just be outdone by raw damage, Malevolent Shrine could potentially just slice Muzan enough to kill him, or if you think Muzan’s regeneration is too fast / strong to die to Malevolent Shrine, Fuga CERTAINLY would just burn him too fast for him to regenerate since Mahoraga wasn’t able to adapt to it

[@sixpathshashira]

THIS... is the type of scaling and scalers that I like. They don't downplay either verse and properly defend and provide cases for both sides as well as going over the win cons for EACH side. Earned a sub for sure

[@clandestine736]

Far from accurate though. Muzan couldn't even flinch when the Hashira's compound exploded. This clip high-ball Muzan wayy too much.

[@sixpathshashira]

@@clandestine736 Wdym? The Hashira's compund bomb was reinforced with nichirin and was made to strictly counter his regeneration, otherwise the bomb would've actually had no effect on him at all given he regenerates as such speeds that damage isn't even able to be noticed

[@reasonableguy8726]

@@sixpathshashiramuzan is fighting normal humans

[@reasonableguy8726]

@@sixpathshashirasukuna has cursed energy so how can muzan defend himself without it

[@reasonableguy8726]

This scaler didn’t bring up the fact that muzan doesn’t have cursed energy to compete when sukuna while also over scaling some his feats and abilities and down playing sukuna at the same time

[@TheGarageFreak]

Tbh, binding vows are probably the most convenient yet still story related plot weapon/armor for JJK characters, unlike some unexplained BS. Honestly, Sukuna doesn't even need to keep a watch on Muzan because, even if Muzan regenerates, remember Sukuna likes toying with his food just like what he did with Jogo, the scenario I'm thinking is. Muzan will attack Sukuna (15 finger), tries to blitz him but fails to do significant damage. The next time Muzan tries to do the same trick Sukuna now dodges, he will gain interest in Muzan and try to fight atleast at bare minimum like how he did with Mahoraga. BTW this is prime Muzan I'm speaking of, yes the one that also retreated after getting clapped by Yorichi. Muzan performs blood demon art but he fails to hit the King, Sukuna tries to punch him only for a tentacle to slice him, but the tentacle was already sliced because of Cleave. Muzan now gets pissed and transforms into his demon king form, he is much faster, deals hefty amount of damage, dodges but is barely to do so when it comes to cleaves and dismantles. Muzan then gets Sukuna cornered, he pummels the King but then the King utters the words, "Domain Expansion" that ends there... Muzan will get sliced to bits, tries to regenerate, then gets sliced again. After several attempts Muzan just tries to retreat the same way he did with Yorichi but fails, Sukuna closes the barrier to see how far can Muzan's regeneration reach. They do that until Muzan just get traumatized and bathes in the sunlight after Sukuna opens the domain.

[@DonMob-j5r]

If sukuna could deduce just by fighting Mahoraga that his special ability was to adapt to anything and everything by trial and error I think he would notice at some point that muzan has a weakness to sunlight. and if he doesn't sukuna could most likely heal and stay active long enough for muzan to die in sunlight. I love glazing sukuna

[@cyrus8886]

Damn bro muzan gonna run away like the coward he is after the first cleave that rips his arm off

[@The-Fakewoken-Guide]

moonwalk away*

[@Manic964]

​@@The-Fakewoken-Guide Hee Hee

[@Flamingo48923]

All Muzan is gonna see is this 7.3 man with 4 arms, 4 eyes and a mouth on his stomach before getting the upper part of his head gets cleaved

[@patiencewalajiehcho4237]

Can't he just Regenerate

[@Flamingo48923]

@@patiencewalajiehcho4237 Yes unless Sukuna decides to attack the soul

[@zirotsero6951]

10:45 what makes this more contentious is that you can even argue that kashimo’s blast are only lightning-like and doesn’t actually move as fast as lightning Why tf does it look like he just reused fanart for Mahito for muzan

[@xinonuzumaki83]

Why?

[@TV-sq1sg]

Kashimo's sure hit of lightning is explicitly said to go at the return stroke (lightning going back up) speed of lightning (which is 1/3 the speed of light) since the charge was laid before so the strike is actually the lightning coming back hence the sure hit. His sure hit seems to obey the conventions of lightning, so I don't know why you would assume that his normal lightning attacks wouldn't move at the forward stroke of lightning speed. Everything about his attacks seem to scale to lightning speed wise

[@huntershurley4331]

It’s LITERALLY stated to be lightning.

[@zirotsero6951]

@@huntershurley4331 Pre awakening itadori reacted to Hakari, yet he's barely dodging Piercing blood/Human Naoya who are sound speed.

[@nicholasskelton3027]

@@zirotsero6951dawg. It’s kinda what the creator said. Even if you bring up these points, if Kashimo can use electrons to make a sure hit affect, it’s literally lightning. This is basic science and common sense tbh.

[@CARMATIZBAK_]

14:26 I forgot about Gege’s sick period snd the art within it 😭

[@ShugoGamer]

Now honestly in my most humble opinion I believe Sukuna Wipes the verse without much effort

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

Thats why you are there and i am here

[@Crimzonbreaker]

Sukuna loses to Enmu the Train Demon and it's not even satire.

[@xyberlust]

@@Crimzonbreaker how does he lose? he's a curse dawg 😭 have you ever seen him sleep

[@Generalmituna8079]

@@Crimzonbreaker Enmu is fodder what is he gonna do lol

[@Crimzonbreaker]

@@xyberlust Oh my gosh...Sukuna is not a curse. John Werry got another one smh. Anyway if Cursed Speech worked on Sukuna twice mind you Enmu's sleep command is working on him too. From there Enmu destroys his spiritual core and he can't move anymore gg.

[@Existing705]

Okay so, something you didn't mention is that muzan got half of his body eliminated by a bomb. Now he could have instantly regenerated if not for wisteria but this shows that sukuna and muzan's power gap is way too big. One furnace and domain expansion and muzan is gone. Muzan can't even survive until sunrise, an island level attack is thousands of times stronger than a bomb. Muzan's body will be erased instantly. Not only that muzan couldn't even react to a bomb, so his speed is not even hypersonic. Hantengu's lightning isn't real, if it was real it would have started a forest fire. The hashiras also couldn't even run towards muzan before the infinity castle doors opened. At best he's subsonic to supersonic and sukuna takes this easily. Case closed beyond negative diff. I'm not being biased, it's just common sense

[@Crimzonbreaker]

The damage was exaggerated in the anime. He had his entire body with just patches of missing skin in the manga. Btw this isn't a problem for his reaction but his travel speed. He has his guard up in the manga and analyzed the details of the explosion. He did react to it just didn't outrun the blast. Also that subsonic/super sonic downplay is hater LV stuff.

[@Mapple-qp6yg]

The Master, has a voice that naturally calms everyone down. This is stated as a fact in the earlier chapters. As Such its not so much an Anti Feat as much as it is the element of surprise. Muzan did not suspect the mansion to blow up and for it to be filled with stuff to slow his regeneration down as well.

[@Existing705]

@@Crimzonbreaker even so, power gap is still huge, sukuna was completely unaffected my jogo's bombs and lava. The winner is clear. One dismantle would eliminate all of muzan

[@Existing705]

@@Mapple-qp6yg off guard doesn't matter when you are "hypersonic" versing a not even subsonic bomb

[@Crimzonbreaker]

@@Existing705 You mean the attacks he specifically avoided cause he's faster than Jogo. Even admitting to being vulnerable to a City LV meteor. When you consider Kusakabe stating domains are based on the creators knowledge Sukuna scaling to Mountain/Island is invalidated. So really Muzan & Sukuna both have City AP but Muzan moves faster.

[@Farmer-Jamie.H]

Bro, love to see that you’re still doing videos. I was a big fan back in your what if days and good luck.

[@BefallBell]

With all due respect Ronin, a single domain expansion can cut away all flesh to regenerate from. Muzan is straight up murdered before he can use 3 moves. You really glazing muzan since a bunch of injured hashira fought him for hours and still defeated him. Cmon bro, be fr.

[@pauljrechezona3126]

With all due respect that just your own head canon. For malevolent shrine to do any damage it to cut every single cell in muzans body at the same time with sun infused power. And it can't do that

[@BefallBell]

@@pauljrechezona3126 you just replied with your own head canon. You dont need sun infused anything to cut muzan. DE literally continues until nothing is left of its surroundings and target. How the hell muzan gunna renegerate when theres nothing to regenerate from?

[@wtfdude1830]

@@pauljrechezona3126 Fuga? and its done, completely evaporize even mahoraga himself

[@ioiioooio193]

@@wtfdude1830this is the correct answer, Mahoragas healing should are exponentially more impressive that Muzans in both speed and amount of damage that can be healed. Kamino in domain is enough to vaporize Muzan.

[@M4rstheplanet]

@@wtfdude1830That should do the trick due to Mahoraga not being to adapt and regen fast enough to it. His whole thing is adaptation, and he couldn't adapt to Fuga un time. Malevolent shrine should not work on Muzan, Muzan should have better regen than Gojo does in all seriousness. We've seen Muzan recover from much bigger wounds that RCT just can't recover from. But as Fuga, I subscribe to that narrative of if he gets it off and directly hits Muzan it should be wraps. But then again, Muzan does not fight like most characters do. By that time in the fight, Muzan knows he's out classed and it's in his character to store of a piece of him away somewhere if he was out of the Domain Expansion. But Sukuna wins, it's just not as easy as many people believe.

[@otitoekwueme4271]

I’ve waited for this. Finally ds downplaying will not stand.

[@LaazyLaazer]

get ds past town level

[@otitoekwueme4271]

@@LaazyLaazer high ball muzan is small city

[@AdedolaOmorinoye]

Stop glazing high ds caps at a single city block meanwhile gojo does nationwide earthquakes

[@otitoekwueme4271]

@@AdedolaOmorinoye stop glazing high jjk caps at large city

[@samirex020]

@@otitoekwueme4271 honestly its only because all the diamond durability and strenght statements are hard to scale in destructive Power terms. So Just Speed and hax are the main things to account

[@sinzodium8421]

this was well constructed

[@mrmcawesome9746]

All the people saying the fire arrow would just destroy all of Muzan's cells don't seem to have read Demon Slayer. Let me put it like this, by the end of his fight, Muzan is drugged with 1) a drug that turns demons back into humans, strong enough to work on both Nezuko and Demon King Tanjiro, 2) a drug that stops demon regeneration that he consistently had to fight against if he wanted to regenerate (so effective that Douma got killed by Kanao and Inosuke alone because of it, neither of whom is truly Hashira level at that point) and 3) a drug that's actively causing his cells to decay and age, effectively meaning he's had to regenerate thousands of years of aging throughout the fight. At this point he has been fighting Hashira (and Tamayo to begin with) for hours, getting cut by red nichirin blades again and again. And even then, when directly exposed to sunlight, he is able to generate enough body mass in his big baby form to stop himself from burning away for what must've been at least ten seconds to reach Tanjiro. So a full power Muzan, no matter how much weaker he is than Sukuna in AP or durability, is NOT dying to the flame arrow, he can literally generate cells faster than the explosion could destroy them. Muzan still loses though, because he's utterly unprepared for fighting someone like Sukuna. He's spent his entire life at the top of the food chain, literally the only time he's ever been in danger is vs. Yoriichi and he ran tf away from that fight with PTSD literally etched into his cells for centuries to come. He does not have what it takes to actually drain Sukuna's stamina, the best result he can hope for is what he did with Yoriichi.

[@traytray4500]

@@mrmcawesome9746 and you are the only person here who actually read both mangas and didn’t wank either😂😂noting sukana does is killing Muzan but Muzan also would absolutely be terrified if he ran into someone with the strength of sukana and he would just leave the fight😂😂

[@ZaChemas]

No, he would die to furnace, but not to the furnace everyone thinks (shibuya one) but he would die to the final furnace we saw on the manga, considering it destroys at the levvel of a thermobaric bomb, which is 2500 C to 3000 C

[@managementman9231]

22:30 I don't think you can regenerate from that.

[@deeznuts3631]

I’m sure he could regenerate from that

[@videontekuro9399]

If Muzan had better tactics and skill with his own vast number of techniques, this fight would be epic... But at the end of Demon Slayer, Muzan just felt... underwhelming in terms of what he is capable of doing vs what he actually did. I like both of these kings, but Sukuna is better as a character and antagonist.

[@Mahagoat-2018]

Akaza can punch the air and create shock waves, which requires a punch speed of at least Mach 27. (This is accurate information from the fan book.) This makes Akaza High Hypersonic (Mach 27) and Muzan potentially Massively Hypersonic (Mach 100). Yoriichi can slash 1500 times in an instant, and Akaza can punch 100 times in an instant, so even if we simply consider that as 15 times that, I think he would be Massively Hypersonic (Mach 405).

[@YoloStrater]

@@Mahagoat-2018 That's not what Akaza actually does. His demon blood art generates the shockwaves, not his punching speed

[@Omniclad]

@@Mahagoat-2018 akaza can only do that because of his blood demon art tho

[@Mahagoat-2018]

@@YoloStrater I'm pretty sure the fan book said that Akaza's punches are so fast they create shock waves.

[@kurodo9926]

That's not an actual blood demon art working though? His punches make shockwaves because he punches that fast, it's called blood demon art more because of how the blood let's his body punch that fast

[@Omniclad]

@@kurodo9926 no not really,cus he has different types of those shock wave attacks like an omnidirectional one and the piercing one

[@Windycity_353]

Whoever did this thumbnail you did a phenomenal job

[@nataliebonner7630]

Next time can you please do yorrichi vs gojo please 🙏🏾 you’ve already done yuji vs tanjiro and now muzan vs sukuna so can you please make gojo vs yorrichi

[@rhapsody1474]

Thoughts on Gojo saying in chap 256 that he could hit black flash at will if it was just about speed? Also wouldn’t furnace just vaporize Muzan and leave nothing to regen from?

[@tuvergalarga6144]

Im pretty sure the first part of your comment comes from a mistranslation

[@oidotsuc5165]

furnace wouldnt be powerful enough to vaporize muzan regen i mean choso shield was able to save yuji from it

[@rhapsody1474]

@@tuvergalarga6144 idk, the only mistranslation I’ve heard of regarding that chapter is the official translations saying Gojo can’t hit bf because of the six eyes I got that statement from TCB and they seem relatively consistent 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@rhapsody1474]

@@oidotsuc5165 It’s implied that Choso used a binding vow to protect Yuji but even if he didn’t that’s just a feat for his blood shield. It doesn’t make Furnace weaker

[@naufalmEZa]

​@@oidotsuc5165 that's owing to Choso's shield bring airtight. ∆p is scary.

[@bikuta9958]

U forgot he was Weakend by like 400 times and muzan is way faster then sukuna too

[@Dosenotexist]

Let’s say he is faster can muzan damaged him? A building level fodder ain t hurting sukuna Domain and fuga end him

[@bikuta9958]

@@Dosenotexist muzan literally made lightning that reached 6-13 miles away and he was Weakend 400-2000 times he solos jjk

[@Dosenotexist]

@@bikuta9958 OK let’s say you right muzan is ftl by your arguments should be ftl+ how did he get chought in the explosion 😭 And I guess then sukuna dodging kashimo electro magnetic waves point blank(in meguna form while being at his lowest output and ce nearly death) doesn’t count Muzan is getting dog walked by gojo😭

[@bikuta9958]

@@Dosenotexist u gotta be mach 10-30 to dodge a explosion I gotta understand the author of demon slayer had to do that to nerf him enough so the slayers could beat him there's literally low and mid tiers being faster then that and muzan out scales badly he's is ftl and small country

[@Toddles]

@@Dosenotexist sukuna loses and hes not ftl

[@jeesusapotol9715]

I love Sukuna's Theme is playing on the background

[@mattb.7079]

Even if he was weakened, there's no way in hell his ass is large-town level😭😭

[@hellbat.]

Another idiot who can’t except the facts

[@bikuta9958]

He's small country in his prime

[@mattb.7079]

@@bikuta9958 bro is NOT reading Demon Slayer, Delusion Glazer it is

[@bikuta9958]

@@mattb.7079 the lightning calc is large town and he was Weakend by around 500 times multiple that

[@mattb.7079]

@@bikuta9958 the energy blast? It barely made a little crater of one meter radius💀 it's just a stun aoe attack that affects the nervous system. Your 500 multiplier comes out of nowhere; Yoriichi was straight up bullying Muzan at his prime just using his mark, nichirin blade and Transparent World, while Yoriichi was stated to be far below him physically. Demon Slayer's highest speed feat is Mitsuri reacting to lightning, and even that is an outlier since she couldn't even dodge a mere sound attack a few moments after. Muzan is at best 2 or 3 times faster than the speed of lightning, while Sukuna is multiple PERCEPTION-BLITZ tiers above the speed of lightning since 15-fingers Sukuna did just that to Ryu Ishigori who's a lightning-timer due to his relativity with characters like Hakari and Maki. Sukuna's Divine Flame is a minima as hot as the sun's surface as it largely surpassed the heat (and managed to exorcise) a cursed spirit that can casually summon lava and melted multiple city blocks. Even without that, World-Cutting Dismantle could potentially do better than Yoriichi's nichirin blade due to its reality-bisecting, concept-bypassing nature. Even assuming they're relative, Muzan has zero win con against Sukuna since his poisoned blood can be healed from with RCT, his electricity shockwave is just a short stun (and can be dodged by Sukuna since it's at best lightning speed), and his tendrils are just child's play in comparison with Malevolent Shrine's sure-hit

[@InvisibleMan-tb8ke]

I thought Sukuna was pretty solidly relativistic-lightspeed due to Kashimos CT?

[@koz3ris252]

It was debunked hard, but if we taking like highball yes you can really use kashimo feat

[@InvisibleMan-tb8ke]

@koz3ris252 I don't wanna highball him, but putting him at barely above lightning timers seemed pretty lowball to me.

[@traytray4500]

@@InvisibleMan-tb8ke. Lighting timer is the only highball that makes sense lore wise.

[@M4rstheplanet]

⁠@@InvisibleMan-tb8keI also agree that he is relativistic or even FTL if you reallyyy want to high-ball. But a conservative high-ball puts him at relativistic. And there's other less reliable ways to get him to light-speed. But it is weird how he is only a bit above lightning-timing. But Hakari did barely move in time, he didn't dodge but it was a minor move of the body. But saying Sukuna and Gojo are faster than lighting is very fair.

[@shirothr5384]

​@koz3ris252 it wasn't really debunked hard, people just felt that it was too much of a feat because it was basically Gege jumping the shark in that instance.

[@WallNutBreaker524]

Broken Ronin is now one of my favorite and most trusted sources for VS Battle Content. Up there with Yacine. 😳🙏👌 Very balanced, factual and well researched video. I thought Muzan was completely cooked, but nah, his Speed and Unbelievable Regeneration and Endless Stamina is absolutely no joke.

[@cyberraptor9836]

11:47 Your foul for this edit and pun bro

[@IGNACIORIGINAL]

*Finally someone who makes a fair comparison!! whenever I said that muzan could keep up a fight with sukuna they laughed at me...*

[@WallNutBreaker524]

Facts, so many JJK fans are downplaying Demon Slayer Speed and Regen too much.

[@thatscool7877]

@@WallNutBreaker524 Supposed lightning timer gets caught in a house explosion🤭

[@DarthNas]

@@thatscool7877then proceeds to be tagged by bullets 😅

[@thatscool7877]

@@DarthNas yeah. At least Gojo dodged an explosion at point blank range.

[@un-idiot1744]

13:55 is this temp6t's hazard only video?

[@tymarscott6548]

Sukuna is NOT island or mountain level. Neither Dagon or Jogo scale to their domains and it's a bit disingenuous to say Gojo is mountain level from blocking a rock attack that was the size of a large boulder at most. You can't even get a proper size for Dagon's island so just saying its island level is a bit lazy as islands can vary GREATLY in size. Plus, creation feats do not always scale to AP and JJK is clearly the case. Domain clashes are won mostly from the refinement of the domain itself; Dagon view Jogo as his superior despite the difference in DE size. Sukuna told Jogo his self-doubt and caution is the reason he couldn't win a Domain clash. Yuji basically created a whole damn city from his memories with his DE that he can physically interact with, but he doesn't scale to it. After all, Gojo's domain uses the literal concept of Infinity and Sukuna stalemated his DE several times, yet Sukuna doesn't have infinite. Just like how the biwa demon's technique isn't infinite like you claimed and just like how Jogo & Dagon also aren't mountain or island level. Sukuna scales to his DE and Gojo's 200% and uncontrolled Hollow Purples (City level). I personally think the earthquake was caused by the Curse Realm being unsealed as if doesn't make sense for Gojo's mere presence to cause earthquakes, but his strongest attacks aren't even close in comparison. Gojo having the energy to power a nation again is like the Creation feat arguments, plus Gojo's Six Eyes give him essentially limitless energy reserves to power damn near anything he was plugged into. Muzan can dodge the invisible slashes as he is able to EASILY tag multiple invisible opponents at the same time by smell AND by perceiving the disturbances they made in the wind and dust (kinda like how Maki did). Also, Muzan his more than one win-con besides burning through Sukuna's CE reserves: Decapitation & bisection. Sukuna loses his head he dies plan and simple, even Hakari dies from this and he heals better than Sukuna. If he is cut in half like Gojo was he dies as their healing capabilities are relative to eachother and Gojo died from it. Sukuna still has higher AP/durability, but the gap between the two isn't NEARLY as big as you were claiming it to be and Muzan has at least 3 win-cons, 2 more than you pointed out. I don't think Sukuna can make a binding vow for healing factors as he didn't even attempt to make one for Gojo, who had weaker healing factor. Plus, its ambiguous to whether he couldn't even do that. What would he have to do or give up to accomplish? A bit too open-ended a win-con for me to personally count it. Muzan can probably smash through the barrier, but if not he is more than capable of fighting while being slashed. If Gojo can do it without giving Sukuna the breathing room to use the Fire Arrow then Muzan, who can heal from COMPLETE decapitation before the slash fully passes though his neck or spilled a single drop of blood, can too (Muzan's healing factor is completely passive, so he can focus fully on fighting Sukuna without diverting any focus to heal). Sukuna's soul damage is inconsistent as Higaruma and Choso healed from it Sukunas attacks without needing awareness of the soul (Higaruma is a special talent though❤). I just don't think the fight will last to the point of the sun rising. Despite what my LONG post about the grievances I had with your points, I really enjoyed watching your video and learning your perspective on the fight❤! I have seen the Sukuna vs Muzan debate and even the Sukuna vs Mereum debate (a potentially video in the future maybe?😊) and I find everyone's views on how wins and why entertaining (even if I disagree with them sometimes).

[@JujutsuF3IN]

@@tymarscott6548 🤯🤓☝️ I ain't reading allat blud⚠️⚠️🐺⚠️⚠️

[@JustcallmeAlex9877]

How can muzan even damage sukuna ? he doesnt have enough AP to do so

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

​@@JustcallmeAlex9877Scale Sukuna's AP then ask them to scale Muzan's before already concluding that Muzan can't hurt him.

[@JustcallmeAlex9877]

@@jackaboynaylor9273 if im being generous, muzan ap is just equal to sukuna 15 finger dismantle at best

[@unknownboi2447]

​@@JustcallmeAlex9877 Which is building level Muzan cant even poison bro either

[@artisticAJ91]

Mahoraga washes muzan's verse.

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

Zenitsu is enough💀

[@xyberlust]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 get that fodder post hanami 😭

[@jackaboynaylor9273]

​@@xyberlustGet Hanami past the sound barrier 😭

[@unknownboi2447]

​@@jackaboynaylor9273make zenitsu survive the domain expansion

[@ricedolphin7348]

so called "muzans verse" only has Muzan in it. Slayers are normal humans, demons below him are times weaker

[@JustanotherArtist.]

7:11 you said that it is the bare minimum, so is it a lowball?

[@nocharactor]

im pretty sure that even if sukuna did not know the sun kills him by the time of the or during the day ye will prob rest his domain

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

Sukuna is extremely smart, he’d know something is up if Muzan started panicking when they were getting closer to sunlight.

[@source324]

​@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234I just know sukuna is grinning while he cuts muzan limbs over and over again till the sun rise

[@fullmetalspyrogirl1234]

@@source324 People never mention just how dumb Muzan is lmao

[@nocharactor]

@@fullmetalspyrogirl1234 yep he would. I see no way muzan can win

[@Flamingo48923]

@@source324Sukuna would deadass have both of his mouth grinning hard as Muzan gets slashed over and over, knowing his weakness or not

[@martinig13]

Cuts heal as they go through Muzan. So he has better healing than even Gojo. There's also the fact that his feats were in a very weeakend state. So arguably he should be even stronger. But scaling him to his upper moons makes up for most of it. Also he should be able to perceive the slashes like Maki as he was able to deduce the three slayers who were invisible based off the shifts of the wind all WHILE fighting all the hashira at the same time.

[@cloudy6256]

That being said his actual durability isn’t that high (a fodder demon and house explosion had bro looking like a porcupine pre-nerf), A Shrine/Divine flames combo would destroy him similar to Mahoraga

[@Demongamerboy]

Not really considering that he could just regen or just break the domain by pressuring sukuna enough

[@idkwhattoputherelol-c1d]

​@@Demongamerboyah yes, I remember omni-man falling to his knees after Mike Tyson hit him many times

[@xyberlust]

so? that just means his actual durability feats are even worse when the sunrise countdown arc begins, since he took damage from a house explosion. if every attack can cleanly slice muzan into bits(he's not healing fast enough when the same spots are being slashed an indefinite amount of times) fuga is enough, and that perceiving slashes thing is hella debtable.. but we'll give it to him

[@martinig13]

@@xyberlust a house explosion? You make it sound like the stove blew up and not the entire estate going up in flames.... Also when did every attack slice Muzan into bits? The slashes would heal as the sword goes through him and this being in his weakend state. And perceiving the slashes shouldn't be that hard to believe the man got like 5 brains.

[@qyasar8046]

By the way this is something for both characters you need to mention that could turn the entire video on its head and that is a spoiler warning for those who havent finished reading either or both mangas

[@emmanuelagada7780]

Wouldn't a world slash completely annihilate muzan in one fell swoop.

[@wadahecc]

probably

[@oidotsuc5165]

he can just regen it

[@AdedolaOmorinoye]

​@@oidotsuc5165it attacks the world itself and negs any durability

[@emmanuelagada7780]

@@oidotsuc5165 Sukuna can send a litany of world slashes

[@wadahecc]

@@oidotsuc5165 world slash cuts space itself its extremely hard to regen

[@Kass_me]

Sukuna pulls Fire Arrow and he's DONE

[@Institutionalized737]

@@Kass_me I was just about to say what was Muzan going to do against a fire nuke🤣

[@oidotsuc5165]

@@Institutionalized737 fire arrow aint doing sht xD choso block that sht with blood munipalition to protect yuji and had a full conversion while being burn that arrow and doing sht tp muzan regen

[@Institutionalized737]

@@oidotsuc5165 oh ok that was choso tho and not muzan (two completely different characters) but I respect your opinion😂

[@gdmathguy]

@@oidotsuc5165 Yeah choso blocked it and then burned to a crisp. That wasn't a block, that was a sacrifice

[@reasonableguy8726]

@@oidotsuc5165and choso had cursed energy to block it

[@infinity2394]

(15:01) world slash isn't a precise slash, it's a slash that targets the space a target takes up and not the target themselves, but the effect is since the target is occupying said space they're also cut.

[@100-People]

Idk about scaling JJK characters to their domains Domains are so energy consuming that most characters are taken out of action for multiple days - and even the peak of CE efficiency makes it difficult to maintain the same output when repeatedly using it - so the creation of domains do not necessarily scale to any form of attacks from the characters Remember, domains are a multi faceted technique. It’s a shell with many conditions that creates an inner setting that boosts the user’s abilities. As the peak of jujutsu, cannot reasonably scale the sorcerers’ CE Output to the creation of a domain / destruction of a domain shell, since these are completely different parts of jujutsu sorcery

[@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg]

Well in fairness, they are still creating this whole mountain/island mass. Sure it's incredibly draining, but what's important to get them to island/mountain level is that they have the CE for these Domains to be made at all; plenty of characters have gotten scaled to constructs they only ever made once after all. And as I once saw pointed out, it'd be silly to have someone like Dagon put all that energy into creating his island Domain, and not direct that into his buffed attacks. Not all at once of course, but part that whole "city level' or "island level" system is that the levels are general ballparks of power where the low ends can be just fractions of their high ends. Now granted, this Domain scaling would only apply to these characters while actually inside their Domains, but the reason we're allowed to scale Gojo & Sukuna to that in base is because Gojo withstood Jogo's Domain-buffed attacks and all of it's effects, and Dagon's Domain-attacks were survived (for a short time) by grade 1 sorcerers that we can all agree Sukuna & Gojo would scale far above.

[@zaimhoque8418]

That probably consume alot of curse energy but gojo, Sukuna and yuta can use their domain multiple times so they will scale to it

[@100-People]

@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg they are creating it, but no attacks are able to scale to CE usage it’d take to make it - even Maximum Techniques / Maximum Output techniques would not do that, otherwise characters like Jogo or Yuta would get taken out of their fights after a single Max move Domains are the peak of Jujutsu, and reasonably even if Dagon put a lot of work into making the island, it provides way more advantages than “attack better” - Dagon’s island is a setting constructed for his advantage, boosts his stats, AND the barrier traps people - Domain attacks do not scale to their creation at all unless you wanna say every fish Dagon makes is island level since each of those are singular Sure Hits Sukuna and Gojo would scale above Dagon’s domains, and if you don’t think each of Dagon’s fish are Island level, than the example of Gojo blocking an attack in a domain wouldn’t be valid proof of island level for him.

[@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg]

@@100-People Oh sure, Maximum techniques and other base attacks not in a Domain wouldn't get Domain scaling, Domain scaling is only applied to Domain attacks specifically because so much is put into those Domains. But it is still fair to give that scaling; the way we might've scaled early MHA Deku and his arm breaking attacks by giving him those feats with the caveat "he can only do this by breaking an arm." If a character has a level of scaling they can only reach by putting in their all, you give them that scaling within that context attached to it. Sukuna and Gojo get that scaling in base though because they/people they should scale well above tank those attacks without a Domain buff. As for each of Dagon's fish being island level...well yeah, generally they are. At least in that each is an attack from an island level charcater, which Dagon is while inside his Domain. They are the same level as Domain-Dagon in the same way Sukuna's slashes are of the same level as Sukuna himself; I don't know why that sounds unreasonable to you.

[@100-People]

@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg It’s not reasonable to assume each Domain sure hit scales to the creation of it, Nanami survived and killed many of those Shikigami and even Maki survived the domain. Remember, Kusakabe, the strongest grade 1 literally was shaking scared about being near Jogo fighting. And even if you disagree, it’s definitely not consistent to have Maki be Island Level when she couldn’t even really hurt base Hanami with help. The difference between scaling Domains to the characters is more on the fact that JJK makes it clear that Domains are absolutely above any other technique and that the energy needed to create one isn’t able to be used in a regular attack. Domains drain energy so greatly that it burns out the user’s CT for a long time. Even if they “put their all into it”, they cannot use the same amount of Cursed Energy they utilize to create a domain for any attack. Again, if that was the case, maximum techniques would drain characters’ CE for days, but it doesn’t.

[@natoriousthehopeful2786]

Bro, the title of this video should be something more along the lines of "how fast can Sukuna kill Muzan" or "how long will Muzan last before he gets sent to the airport" because this will be a very short match😂

[@koz3ris252]

High diff and long fight, sukuna is small city level, he got a bit wrong in his scaling.

[@IdontlikeWhytepeople]

@@koz3ris252country level, all special grades are small island to small country. Kenny with cursed manipulation, Geto at full potential, gojo, sukuna, yuki, and yorozu are country level easy. Ryu, kashimo, yuta and such are small island level easy.

[@Bobby-5-5]

@@koz3ris252 are you delusional like sukuna is definitely not small city level he obviously wins against muzan

[@M4rstheplanet]

⁠@@Bobby-5-5I think it's pretty obvious Sukuna wins. But unless Sukuna uses Fuga, or waits until the sun rises then I don't see him killing Muzan. It is also very questionable if Fuga would even work, but it was able to kill Mahoraga before he could adapt so. But as for Malevolent Shrine, Gojo was able to live a onslaught of cleaves, without dying which is due to RCT, and Cursed energy reinforcement of his body. But Muzan has better regen feats in general. You have to give him credit as well, it's not an easy fight. But I see Sukuna getting annoyed, mid-diff.

[@AdedolaOmorinoye]

@koz3ris252 tanks 200 Hollow purple destroys the whole city caps at block level make it make sense

[@Bry907]

Furnace would evaporate Muzan leaving 0 cells alive. It’s MUCH more potent than the explosion he took at the end of the last season.

[@odin....]

Sukuna absolutely slaughters muzan. Sukuna being relative to the speed of light is more consistent than him being a lightning timer since he is able to react to them chant and send a world cutting slash at one of kashimos em waves calced at relativistic+. Scaling muzan to sub relativistic because of him vaguely scaling heavly above mitsuri is inconsitent since we dont know exactly how much faster he is. Muzans best feat that being his earthquake feat is town level while sukuna scales to city level at the bare minimum from upscaling above his fuga in shibuya.

[@Xero-rr2ol]

Light speed is extremely inconsistent. theres basically only 1 feat. 2 or three lighting timer feats. ALOT of supersonic feats.

[@odin....]

@@Xero-rr2ol alot of supersonic feats for lower tier characters who don't scale to sukuna in the slightest.

[@kakuzugoated873]

​​@@Xero-rr2olWhat? He dodged the beam in a weakened form, and then afterwards casually sent an attack which at the low-ball he moved his body 10% the speed of light to do since he changed the entire position of his body and pointed his arm faster than the wave could reach. The obvious implication though was that his dismantle was massively faster than the beam and the beam was super easy for him to maneuver and get around despite being lightspeed. We also have Hakari who has multiple calcs dodging Kashimo lightning making him more than double the speed of his lightning, with the ONLY counter being the lightning hit him, when it's explained it hit him due to it being sure hit because of its properties. "its inconsistent 🤓" and then the only times the light beams are used on Sukuna he outmaneuvers them in a weakened state and at full power.

[@Xero-rr2ol]

@@kakuzugoated873 Not only is it inconsistent. One of them is appears to be an aim dodge. Its also inconsistent with the rest of the verse.

[@Xero-rr2ol]

@@odin.... Sorry my guy but the speed differences isnt that big in jjk. There arent many cases of hard blitzing where a character cant even react or perceive. If sukuna scaled even close to light speed. Maki wouldnt even be able to see sukuna move.

[@toxo9212]

idk why there’s some scaling no one takes into consideration. 1 as stated by principle gakuganji in season 1, the only way to kill a “curse” like sukuna is to exorcise it with Cursed Energy. otherwise, if he’s killed without cursed energy, he can resurrect himself. 2. idk why everybody forgets maki blocking lighting in chapter 213 extra pages. nues electricity is described to work like kashimos so it was a lightning bolt. and maki casually put her arms up in time to block if. yet sukuna while severely weakened was able to casually perception blitz maki. on top of sukuna far outscaling kenjaku, who bare minimum was able to react before being fully crushed by a black hole (there’s a panel of kenny being sucked in meaning he activated his technique while being pulled but before being crushed. relativistic feat minimum)these are just facts. saying hakaris feat is the only lighting timer argument for sukuna is disingenuous

[@salima-w3690]

sukuna isn't a curse tho hes a human with extra limbs and etc because he ate his twin in the womb. atleast i think so but ik hes not a curse

[@toxo9212]

@@salima-w3690 that’s why curse is in quotations obviously. sukuna still had a curse like existence since he’s a cursed object inside a vessel not an actual living being. it’s clearly hinted he trascended humanity and is more curse like since tengen takes a similar form to sukuna when he surpasses humanity. either way him being able to resurrect himself unless he’s killed with CE is something clearly stated in the series multiple times even for normal sorcerers

[@highlvcharchok1722]

@@salima-w3690 u dont have to be a curse in order to regenerate as a cursed spirirt. naoya became one after being kill so sukuna would likely jsut become a cursed spirirt if he somehow die

[@salima-w3690]

@@highlvcharchok1722 only because maki killed him without ce. if theres ve then muzan would have ce and he wouldn't come back from the dead

[@highlvcharchok1722]

@@salima-w3690 cursed energy and blood demon arts have very little in common and work differently from each other. Therefore ve wouldn’t apply

[@PapayaKun]

You need to make a video on full potential Yuji who would probably be the strongest character in the series with complete mastery over both shrine and blood manipulation, some of the best rct, physical stats to rival a heavenly restriction user, double impact fists which he can use to surprise his opponents, a domain which surpasses most characters other than Sukuna and blows which directly damage the soul. Also it is possible that Yuji might gain even more abilities in the future such as cursed technique reversal of shrine/blood manipulation, combination techniques, the ability to apply divergent fists to his other techniques or gain a stronger version of it, a second domain expansion(blood manipulation version which could possibly even be an open domain), a true form which could be a mixture of a death painting and true form Sukuna, he may even gain access to different shikigamis or cursed tools in the future and he could possibly even gain has mom's(kaori's) technique gravity manipulation as techniques can be passed down from parent to child as seen with Naoya. Please make a video about it.

[@rohanthomas6629]

JJK is lowballed to all fucking hell. (Fuck the Naoya Mach 3 statement, that shit is just dumb, and already got disproven by Gege but I will prove it) The fodder, Juzo legit, reacts to sound. In Chapter 52, Juzo is able to react and fend off sound strikes from Gakuganji, a sound-based attacker. Subsonic JJKkspeeds being viewed as impressive are inconsistent. Naoya's peak speed (sound) is superior to all the inconsistent reactions a one-off character reacted to earlier in the series. Yuji reacting to the Piercing Blood: Even at speeds of just 1 m/s, Yuji can still perceive the attacks at supersonic speed at the beginning. Since his perception is supersonic, Naoya perceives Yuji blitzing while being casual, although his top speed is the speed of sound. Kamo reacting to Naoya (Curse): Kamo finds human Naoya's speed to be rather astounding. However, despite being blitzed by a supersonic Cursed Womb, Kamo responds and blocks Naoya (Complete Curse) without using his "Red Scales" until after the fact. Sound characters aren't viewed as impressive. Sound characters aren't seen to be really amazing; this sort of relates to the earlier inconsistency with Juzo's reaction to them. The point of this argument is that characters (outside of Gojo) whose speeds are comparable to the top speeders are viewed as nothing exceptional and are demonstrated to be reactive and blocked. It seems clear that Gege has forgotten how he previously wrote his characters. In the JJK Anime Cursed Energy Training Arc, Gojo literally dodged a point-blank explosion from Jogo, which is either Massively Hypersonic+ or Sub-Relativistic (and this comes from VsBattles, which is notorious for lowballing). 3 Fingers Sukuna's feat of blitzing Megumi resulted in Supersonic+ speeds. This feat is important as this same Sukuna is what Toji speed is referred to as comparable to, if not faster than, which, while still slower, Megumi on guard in Shibuya was able to still react and dodge to him. Showing Shibuya characters in at least the Supersonic+ ranges. There are also other feats, such as Kenjaku reacting and blocking sniper fire and young Geto blocking bullets. Uraume reacts and blocks to Piercing Blood, with it breaking the sound barrier inches from their face. There's also a casual Naoya reacting to Piercing Blood. Takaba's jump into the path of an explosion to halt it and save Hazenoki, which resulted in speeds of High Hypersonic+. Oh, and a fun thing I found out! MBA Kashimo did not use actual sound to attack Sukuna. Soundwaves are used to optimize frequencies, not attack, so it’s got to be electromagnetic waves since they are stated to vaporize, which is exactly what happened to the ground when Kashimo hit it. (This makes sense since sound ISN'T an electrical phenomenon.) Many would attempt to debunk Kashimo's EM Waves feat by saying that Sukuna was simply aim-dodging; however, the actual definition of aim-dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by repositioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. However, as shown in the panel, that is clearly not the case. Sukuna clearly moved his body out of the way of the projectile. The left side of the panel clearly shows that the projectile was already in front of his face when he dodged it, which would already give less weight to the idea that he moved out of the way before it was fired. However, on the right side, the panel reaffirms this, as the attack had hit the ground as Sukuna moved out of the way. This heavily implies that Sukuna actually reacted to and dodged the Light Speed projectile, as otherwise the attack wouldn’t have already hit the ground when his body was out of the way. Sukuna later on was also shown to be able to perform chants and handsigns for WCS while Kashimo's EM Wave Laserbeam was moving towards him, in which the difference between talking and punching is giant. It would further prove that Sukuna actually reacted to EM Waves. Toji in the anime reacts and possibly even dodges Nue's lightning. In Chapter 3 of JJK 0, Toge uses his Cursed Speech to crush Geto, and Yuta comments on the earthquake it causes as he does it. For the "meteor" of the impact, it has been calced to be at least Small City, while for how much it "radiated," it would be Multi-City Block. When Sukuna transforms before being hit in order to not be killed by the lightning, which can’t be dodged, he grows a new arm. This is a Massively Hypersonic+ feat. Todo creates an imagination in 0.01 seconds which gives him a Massively Hypersonic feat LMFAOO. Gojo's processing speed makes him FTL. 3 years of his youth he processed in an instant. Uraume's snowstorm gets to like Small Country For the anime version of the Sukuna vs. Mahoraga fight, it seems like he split the clouds. He got a Hypersonic+ feat from this, and a Large Mountain Level feat. Sukuna's Fire Arrow here ALSO splits the clouds. That gave him a City Level feat. Also, Gojo's feat of causing an Earthquake can be wanked even more since he was like 8000 meters deep in the Mariana Trench. If needed I can give every single source!!!

[@s.sshepherd9340]

@rohanthomas6629 drop the sources

[@mysteryman9488]

Buddy it's confirmed in Shibuya that Naobito IS THE FASTEST sorcerer behind Gojo and he caps at sound speed and this statement still holds true it's only cursed Naoya's mach 3 feat that Gege has taken down. Your are just wanking JJK to oblivion in turn lol.

[@venandisicarius]

@@mysteryman9488 We already know that it's a fact Gege only said Mach 3 because he thought it was fast. It factually is just the writer.

[@mysteryman9488]

@@venandisicarius Uhhhh...yeah? I already claimed in my comment that it was taken back yo udidn't have ot like try and prove it lol xD?

[@mrblack9079]

​@@mysteryman9488can you give evidence that it was taken back?

[@harukoiiwajima]

This whole thing is dumb lol Sukuna can literally cast domain expansion + Fuga its done.

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

That wont happen💀

[@onenormalguythatbreathes7603]

​@@juenxhoxhi5770how 💀

[@Rip-Tyro]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 it deff will lol

[@harukoiiwajima]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 what do you mean? Domain expansion is literally a SURE HIT unless you counter with your own and last I checked Muzan doesn't have one.

[@Flamingo48923]

@@juenxhoxhi5770Sukuna has four arms and two mouths, he can literally cast a domain whilst fighting Muzan or sending a slash at him for time

[@jordandavilabrown294]

1. Based on how Sukuna reacted to the EM wave blast and how it was drawn in chapter 237 it's safe to say that Kashimo had already fired it off around the time Sukuna noticed it which he then reacted to and dodged it, thus it wouldn't be Sukuna aim-dodging it but him responding to it within that moment. 2. Considering how powerful Sukuna's Furnace is considering it was able to kill Jojo who was a special grade Cursed Spirit that was embodiment humanity's negative emotions towards volcanos, I can say with absolute certainty that after Sukuna unleashes it in Malevolent Shrine it will completely incinerate every trace of Murzan's body long before the sun rises.

[@apro5393]

Fortunately Sukuma slams low diff. Muzan really not doing anything

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

Buddy sukuna is fodder

[@xyberlust]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 enough to beat fodder building level durability and ap

[@Rip-Tyro]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 and muzan is way more fodder lol

[@Flamingo48923]

Not low diff but probably mid-diff

[@silvera-00]

Regular ass kids with no superpowers beat Muzan. Tf is this.

[@hassankitine1973]

Lmaooooo

[@juenxhoxhi5770]

Those kids solo jjk

[@xyberlust]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 dawg they don't even get past jogo 😂no hashira is beating a volanoe

[@Generalmituna8079]

@@juenxhoxhi5770 This gotta be trolling.

[@silvera-00]

@juenxhoxhi5770 lol? Nah man. Not in a million years.