Sukuna vs The Akatsuki is a MASSACRE

[@ThunderGodTG]

I’m seeing a bunch of people asking why I didn’t include the world cutting slash - I should have clarified in the vid it’s due to how I would have to take away Mahoraga as Maho get’s cooked against Gojo where Sukuna obtains the slash. So I just opted for the specific Sukuna that started in his fight against Gojo, otherwise I gotta choose the slash or Mahoraga. Wasn’t a downplay or anything I just really wanted to talk about Mahoraga he’s a lot more fun and makes for a way more interesting discussion than “world slash GG”

[@darealblazegamer2416]

What about Domain amplification?

[@ThunderGodTG]

@@darealblazegamer2416 A few people mentioned that and brought some good points up for it that I'll bring up for future stuff

[@Julian.noa21]

​@@ThunderGodTGi do think sukuna has country level ap and is FTL but you're assessment was a fine assesment so i agree with it mostly

[@greatminikwu9089]

I get your point but world slash would have made some difference and Meguna in a way tho had both world slash and Mahoraga I’m aware he lost maho. But Mahoraga itself had the world slash so it isn’t out of the question and Meguna if he gets badly damaged can go into his true form which will repair all damage

[@uchiwamadara4614]

@@ThunderGodTG what's the song that start to lay at 29:16?

[@itsjustsilver8172]

Ah yes, my instantly kill all Akatsuki technique, I haven't used this since the heian era

[@ThunderGodTG]

This comment getting pinned lmao

[@nirbanjyotidas5828]

Stand proud akatsuki you are strong 🗣️

[@jschannel6319]

Yuta: You mean OUR technique.

[@mastermace7770]

​@@ThunderGodTG nice bayugon ds music

[@Lucapell]

It’s a shame too, all the Akatsuki had the potential to rival gojo

[@landendrake]

Itachi: “You live life too selfishly, you say love is meaningless. Yet you must love to know sacrifice and that love gives you strength. Walking around as if everything and everyone bends to your will, it’s truly disgusting. Sukuna: *chuckles* I live how I please because I earned that rightfully through my strength. The weak have no place in this world they merely hold back the more capable. You say I don’t know love, yet I do-though not in the same sense as you. I built this body and honed myself through countless battles. It’s only been me from the beginning, I never needed to be loved by anyone-I have always been a calamity. I love battle, I love to kill, I love to eat. I do what satisfies me until the end. You speak so condescendingly of me, yet if you had the power to achieve what you want by any means necessary. Would you not live as I do? Itachi: That’s a rather naive thing to believe if we do not stand together can there ever truly be peace? Sukuna: Peace was never in mind. If the world truly desired peace as it claimed. I would not exist. I love power and all it brings to me. Itachi: You misunderstood me. You have power that much is true, but you lack the substance to truly make change. Not that you were trying to begin with. Sukuna: I believe I already made that clear. Itachi.. was it? You’re strong..even stronger than I-that is an acceptable end to me. Itachi: You simply don’t get it do you? Or rather you just don’t care about anything but your own retched existence . Sukuna: *visibly irritated* Itachi: With these eyes I see everything. I see you for what you truly are Ryomen, you’re cursed, cursed by your own desires-and I am the cure.” Amaterasu!

[@smoscorpio]

🔥🔥🔥

[@thedreamer1527]

👌😤🔥🔥🔥

[@hassanhassan-os5oq]

🔥🔥🔥

[@ThunderGodTG]

Bro did in fact COOK

[@Momiji_Inuybashiri]

Wild

[@TheEternalFlame57]

Stand proud Sukuna, you are strong

[@ThunderGodTG]

“What’s this?”

[@MZOver]

Stand Proud Hidan, You aren’t Yuji

[@yaboiplank6764]

You think sukuna can heal genjutsu effects like tsunade?

[@TheEternalFlame57]

@@yaboiplank6764 at first I wasn’t sure but after thinking about it probably. After all he is super aware and understanding of the brain as shown in the Gojo fight

[@MZOver]

@@yaboiplank6764 Yes and no. Tsunade brought Sasuke out of his coma at least a week after Itachi hit him with Tsukuyomi. So a skilled medic/RCT user may be able to treat the effects of genjutsu, but they can’t do it on themselves in the moment with Tsukuyomi cause it’s so fast. Also Itachi held back with Tsukuyomi.

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Sukuna after the guy that clashed with Madara for 2 seconds blitzed and one shot him: What is this…?

[@jonathanhoward1499]

No bro

[@joshuafrazier3904]

I mean like kind of accurate Ngl.

[@jedemmerichcabrera1564]

I honestly think that's too far

[@Kidnapper656]

😐

[@leo83258]

that man straight up above special grade level

[@dragonsxf3720]

Finally someone who is not a JJK meatrider

[@akhandtripathipyz9888]

I like that He talks about win cons for both

[@Tiwad]

You forgot about Sukuna’s anti-akatsuki technique, but ig you wouldn’t know about bc he hasn’t used it since the heian era

[@ThunderGodTG]

LMAOO Someone dropped a similar commet shit funny af

[@CelestQB]

Brooo I loved how yo used DBZ Lost Courage in your Itachi,Konan,Pain and Obito segments. Brought me back to the Budokai Tenkaichi days 😭

[@ThunderGodTG]

😂🙏🏻

[@Joebilly15684]

I watch bros swbf2 vids

[@tescobakery1927]

Bro this ain't Sukuna vs the Akatsuki, this is Maharaga vs the Akatsuki

[@zoldoba]

This is just the akatsuki bullies sukuna and maharaga ngl

[@morganskelly1119]

Great video bro, u gave the akatsuki some respect, ive seen other KZbinrs and they just disrespect the akatsuki and there power. Would love to see more videos of naruto characters going up against other anime, akatsuki vs espada, sasuke vs zoro , madara vs kaido 👌

[@kirk5649]

*their

[@Tylearned]

Babe wake up my sweet glorious king posted

[@ThunderGodTG]

😘😘

[@UNKNOWNL3G3ND]

Oplearned

[@travisbewley7084]

You should probably also factor in Sakuna's Kamatoke. It let him command lightning strikes on his enemies and at one point it seems like he teliports with the lightning or moves very fast with it as he is able to catch Kashimo off guard even though he was standing just standing in front of him. Even in the narutoverse lighting bolt strikes are nothing to scoff at if they hit. Maharaga also can just supress a CT to adapt to it. So if we are saying CT=Chakra then a Mahoraga can just nulify the chakra eating sword by turning it off. That's the first option M goes for when fighting Gojo. And for a lot of the Mahoraga stuff, Sakuna can take damage to adapt for him. So Sakuna tanking jutsu can work before he even lets him out.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Noted 🔥 appreciate the notes 👌🏻

[@As-pp1rm]

No kamutoke will be too slow for naruto characters... Like Jugo can react to Raikage Thunder speed so sukuna speed it's Mach2 just like Kid kiba or something but Mappa did a great work on animation

[@ivilleinc5949]

Sick itachi could dodge lightning, that doesn't make a difference to the outcomes

[@travisbewley7084]

@@ivilleinc5949 dodging does not equal being as fast as. If I know what road a car is coming from I can get out of the way of that car. Doesn't mean I can move 60mph because I got out of the way.

[@ivilleinc5949]

@@travisbewley7084 I don't think you understand the speed gap between the 2 verses, kid kakashi cuts lightning bolts and is getting speed blits by most of these older akatsuki, lightning is not a powerful weapon in the naruto verse against strong characters. like u said, Even in the narutoverse lighting bolt strikes are nothing to scoff at if they hit. Thats if they can even hit. That is the speed gap we're talking about. its not about how strong sukunas moves are if they cant hit, it then becomes, can he endure there attacks and survive

[@jjpasay]

Sukuna 0.2 seconds after sensing the presence of literally any individual not named Itadori Yuji: "Impressive, unlike that brat."

[@amogus1415]

Banger video my man,i do think even giving jjk the benefit of the doubt, itachi and obito neg,genjutsu just blinks

[@ThunderGodTG]

My man ✊🏻🔥

[@CelestQB]

Absolute banger brotha

[@ThunderGodTG]

My GOAT

[@vanillamilk7575]

lol didn’t expect to see u here

[@CelestQB]

MY BOYYYY@@ThunderGodTG

[@dtyler4307]

Hidan, zetsu, and sasori getting clapped but the rest folding sukuna like an omelette

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Hidan, probably, Black Zetsu fought a Kage an an entire platoon of Jonin for an entire day, intercepted KCM Minato and ABSORBED half of the nine tails chakra. Sasori is stronger than Deidara. I really don’t see how those 2 lose 6/10 outside of a DE (which Sukuna doesn’t instantly use)

[@dtyler4307]

@@hobbyhorse5848 black zetsu was connected to obito fam he has no feats besides turning madara into a donut

[@ThunderGodTG]

Zetsu did NOT blitz KCM Minato this is a crazy take, he outright states Base Minato & Kakashi would take him out, and it's implied he was flinging Jutsu at Minato & Kakashi due to all the smoke marks in the backround.

[@michaelcrouch8809]

I think you forget zestu has the same intangibility as obito which allows him to phase through the earth.

[@eze1196]

Zetsu is not even stronger than madara he Just killed him because kishimoto is a lazy bum sometimes

[@agahuseynov7608]

Are you the most consistent Naruto KZbinr because ur Tg? or are you Tg because you are the most consistent Naruto KZbinr?

[@ThunderGodTG]

GOAT SHIT RIGHT HERE

[@AtenSol12]

Raga first gains the ability to target whichever of obitos body parts are in kamui dimension. Then it gains the ability to freely come and go into the kamui dimension. If more time passes it gains the ability to bring others in/out of the kamui dimension. Lastly for kamui specifically it gains the intangibility. Which would suck :/ But i could seee Raga further adapting kamui to do what obito did to kaguya and rip open time space portals into other dimensions. My assumption would be this ability would be centered on raga itself, then if further time passes he can straight up open portals. I make these assumptions because the only way ibcan really conceptualize dealing with kamui if not freezing time which seems absurd for both verses, is kamui itself. And seemingly so did kishimoto. And then he thought of how to make kamui even more broken than it already was. Brilliant. I could see raga amping density too because if it cannot be moved fundamentally at all then maybe it cannot be warped away but that does nothing for the intangibility. But obito if being serious should just be able to one tap it.

[@Ndasuunye]

that sounds broken AF. if it left the regular dimension doesn't it effectively stop working because its away from its summoner? at this point yo u wrote a fanfiction.

[@AtenSol12]

@@Ndasuunye i mean im just throwing out hypothetical im not trying to actually write the fight. And yes it would be broken. Both kamui and Raga are designed to be broken. Like i said kishimoto didnt really write a way to deal with kamui except the other version of itself. And when he amped obito he just said yea well nah obito cant use kamui w the ten tails 🤷🏾‍♂️, I actually agree with you and didnt consider that. Good point. My response would be i would only think raga actually gains these on conditions he encounters them. But i mean to adapt to kamui it would need to be in some way interacting with Obito to do so

[@than915]

yessir more jjk vs naruto

[@juliusnovachrono4370]

This is absolute heat pun intended

[@effortless4588]

Quality vid just dropped a sub!

[@Kepa-Riki]

Hi TG, new to your channel. stayed for the great videos. I never thought I was as much of a Sukuna fan as I was till this video, i found myself trying to add little tidbits to give Sukuna an egde in the fight but most would all turn to the Domain as you noted in the video. Loved that you kept me thinking all throughout the video. Keep on keeping on My Guy.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Thank you so much for the support! Really appreciate you loving the videos! ✊🏻🔥

[@mdot9835]

Can you do Akatsuki duos against each other as well because most people just do singles. Would be nice to see a Kisame and Itachi vs Pain and Konan matchup

[@tymirdavis6956]

How my guy don’t got 100k yet 😢

[@ThunderGodTG]

Absolute goated comment ✊🏻🔥

[@Robbieuchiha]

Thunder god when is the ems sasuke video coming out I’m really looking forward to it

[@ThunderGodTG]

Today or tomorrow! Glad you’re excited for it!

[@Sun-cg6lv]

The space cleave is being ignored for a lot of these convos😭

[@ThunderGodTG]

I just want to wait to see more from it before I argue it cause it can either be very crazy or not depending, also insanely goated Isagi pfp

[@Sun-cg6lv]

@@ThunderGodTG Thanks. Though Idk how much usage usage Sukuna will get to have with it at the current time in the story. I get it tho.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Yeah if the story ends without it being used more then it’s kinda like so be it

[@BlaxkSun]

Also, if dismantle does not work, and this is verse equalization, any thing hit with cleave gets cut… what it’s called Durability negation. Yeah cleave specifically is made to cut down things made with cursed energy, cursed energy is equal to chakra, so now sukuna is sending out Hyuga style chakra blades that are bypassing defense…

[@gaoaibai6243]

You will need better speed feats for Sukuna in order to scale to say Orochimaru who is casually a lightning timer, let alone the higher tiers like Kisame who fought 7th Gate Guy for a while...

[@Jo-np4gb]

​@@gaoaibai6243 a lightning timer who gets punched by Tsunade multiple times without being about to dodge? That lightning timer?

[@jetrenapasteta886]

@@Jo-np4gbafter he is greatly weakened and Tsunade is still easily FTL

[@Jsipki265]

@@Jo-np4gb You mean Tsunade the person above kid and part 1 adult kakashi who cut a lightning bolt in half?

[@goby1764]

This cross comparison shit is stupid. Cursed energy is not chakra, none of it works out to be logically consistent anyways

[@nwk1626]

sukuna potentially still has more abilities coming in the upcoming fights so seeing how all these channels and shorts are scaling him is just gonna cause alot of comments tryna bring up new arguments “🤓”

[@Ndasuunye]

why does he still have more feats? hough the manga was about to end?

[@nwk1626]

@@Ndasuunye yeah its ending this year but this is a possibility

[@ThunderGodTG]

Then we drop a new vid 😈

[@godofgames6366]

how about some akatsuki vs admiral vids or other verses vs naruto and stuff. Good vid btw.

[@The__Deadman]

Nice vid! Make Sukuna vs Orochimaru(with his arms). I think Orochimaru def stomps but it'll be interesting to watch.

[@mowfus96]

Haven’t watched the video yet, but Sukuna’s only wincon is his domain expansion, and considering every single akatsuki member without exception is fast enough to just outrun it… 🥶

[@Nyfebtw]

Big Ws bro 🔥🔥

[@jasminegobuster3847]

Some video idea: 1)Mahoraga vs all bijuu 2)Gojo vs all otsutsuki 3)5 kage vs muzan from demon slayer

[@ThunderGodTG]

Honestly muzan vs Musashi from Baki is a way more balanced topic

[@kodoqbesar4301]

1. 💀 2. 💀 3. 💀

[@rodrigop2198]

None of those 3 are close

[@tommasopodini333]

literally all of them are a one sided stomp for the naruto verse

[@crocoboi7936]

Muzan va orochimaru….

[@mufasa5288]

Very good video tho I do wanna mention sukunas slashes cut on a molecular level stated during his fight with mahoraga,and can cut souls as we saw with mahito tho besides the video was pretty great I don’t think the planetary jjk meta is that crazy and kennys anti gravity would need to apply a equal amount of force to cancel it out add on the author intent where he shows a black hole the size of a marbel can destroy planets I think it’s evident the author had that intent when her black hole was bigger then a room on top of that wouldn’t kenjaku need at least relastivistic reaction so the black hole doesn’t blitz him? Yukis black hole holding back would mean it likely would be been bigger as a black hole that size can def be large planetary and tengen barrier can be interpreted as stopping the range and not the AP

[@ThunderGodTG]

Noted 👌🏻🔥 appreciate the notes!

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Yeah but it was stated that Yuki’s black hole was held back by her own will + anti gravity (a hax technique that counters gravity) + Kenjaku’s barrier abilities + Tengen’s barrier abilities. How much of that can you directly scale to Kenny? It’s entirely unknown. Plus it just seems really out there considering that Gege goes out of his way to make JJK a more street level verse.

[@thyentity6295]

​@hobbyhorse5848 pretty simple really, yuki limited the size of the black hole, tengen kept the black holes area of effect within there barrier at the tomb of the stars, kenjaku simply turned his body into his domain or something which just made his body more durable and allowed him to use more anti gravity, not fully sure how kenjaku used his domain to tank the black hole but kenjaku still scales to the black hole we see.

[@Jsipki265]

@@thyentity6295That wouldn’t scale to kenny’s durability then.

[@thyentity6295]

@Jsipki265 it would not scale to his base durability. Yes, I agree, but it scales to his hax ap and how strong his domain is since he scales to tengen.

[@HarpoNuke98]

Sukuna could always pull the Anti-Genjutsu cursed tecnique that he didnt used since heian era

[@thexplo1ter222]

You cant forget Sukuna’s fuga (the black box) we dont even know whats all in there

[@shikaotsu7194]

What about scaling off of Yuta or weaker characters like Toge who dodged light from a semi-grade 1 curse in JJK 0 or the lightning possibly moving faster than natural lightning? Also the feats from Satoru Gojo's combat and teleportation speed being able to be reacted to by Sukuna? There's a lot of ways to scale JJK but lightspeed is an argument for at least any character on or above grade 1 sorcerers, Mach 3 makes no sense for Maki either just based on the fact she should be far above Shibuya Yuji and a rival to Toji who can somewhat react to Nue's lightning..

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Early gang here, and I'll probably watch this in the morning since its 11:30 PM in my place

[@sith_ofdragons7642]

Please do a “What if Kisame was reanimated during the 4th Great Ninja War”? No one has ever done this yet

[@anthonymartinez9847]

3 videos in a week and they all fire 🔥 big ups

[@BigSirSplash]

Sukuna casually clears but I would root for Hidan

[@Zenoforce]

Lol I was just thinking of your video watching this, but I just love watching your guys videos regardless of what either of you decide✊🏾✊🏾

[@BigSirSplash]

@@Zenoforce yeah TG is my guy & makes fantastic content!

[@kodoqbesar4301]

Whan I'm wondering is how strong would Hidan be if he has Aizen level of adaptation and regeneration. Aizen got bifurcated and completely disintegrated by Mugetsu and he still came back. Lets say any attacks dealt to Hidan will only make him stronger while also reflecting back the damage (if he's in his skeleton form, in his normal form he can only adapt and regenrate), how strong would he be? His stats are still the same, only with Aizen's regeneration and adaptation

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

Bro, you have to give an explanation to why Sukuna isn't lightspeed while he blitzes a lightspeed character (phantom beast amber makes him eletromagnetical waves, wich are lightspeed by definition). If akatsuki got them lightspeed feats too use them! No need to lowball

[@ThunderGodTG]

I mentioned the Gojo vid cause I spend a lot of time mentioning it like I mention in the vid. I don’t wanna repeat the same convo especially for dudes who have seen the first vid

[@meliasnahtony2951]

You forgot something about Mahoraga; His adaptation ability isn't just defensive, but offensive as well Oh, and Sukuna can and will attack the soul Edit: I'm not saying that he'll win, just that it's there, and is also a factor.

[@dinosaur7256]

Domains cancel out defensive abilities like Infinity. Like kenjaku said domains cancel any and all techniques. Wouldn't domain amplification cancel out a lot of has? Why wasn't true form sukuna used here? Or his world cutting slash?

[@ThunderGodTG]

That's a good point I should have addressed here, I'll make a note of that, some points weren't relevant but, a couple people mentioned Domain Amplification & such so I'll work that in for sure

[@rinnerebirth1171]

Sukuna in character isn’t the type to instantly use the world cutting cleave unless he feels at least a bit pressed, and by the time he gets pressed it’s basically over for him already, except maybe with the Lower 3 akatsuki members

[@Crimzonbreaker]

​@@ThunderGodTG What he said about Domains canceling defense is false. The truth is sure hits simply ignore Infinity because of the nature of a "sure hit" as the name implies. It doesn't just negate techniques like it's Anti-Magic.

[@lvsvoid2640]

bruh sukuna is using that shit with every move in the manga rn, he most definitly is the type of guy to do that@@rinnerebirth1171

[@danfoxdude]

I'm really glad he didn't just highball Sukuna and actually gave respect to each of the Akatsuki's abilities like no one acknowledges Deidara and some of the weaker is actually pretty damn cracked in fights 😭

[@ThunderGodTG]

I’m glad you’re glad

[@uspahle]

​@@ThunderGodTGpause

[@wizydgeek]

Thank you for talk about the Yuki feat, because people really just throw it around as if Yuki could just do that in regular basis, and then say Gojo and Sukuna are more powerful than a literal black hole ☠️

[@sageoverheaven]

They are more powerful than a sorcerer with output that can suppress a multi-planetary black hole to like a tiny explosion. You can slice the proportion of contribution between Yuki's own will and Tengen's barrier how you want, and it still puts Yuki at high multi-continental as a baseline.

[@wizydgeek]

@@sageoverheaven but hear me out, any black hole, even if it was a very small one, would destroy the Earth either way because it would grow while consuming matter, but the energy output to create a very small black hole is infinitely less than a planet sized one for example, and I say this because the black hole began from the "cursed energy core" from Yuki's half body, then it has to be a very small black hole, so her energy output would not be so high as people think.

[@sageoverheaven]

@@wizydgeek We see the size of the black hole on the panel, and that frame is the only reference we have. Any smaller size is an assumption; you have to take that as the size of the black hole created. Considering Kenjaku was in the thick of it, he wouldn't let it build up before deploying counterplay (ridiculous speed feat btw). So she did create a black hole people have calc'd at star level, and even if you want to say this is a death binding vow boost which she can't output regularly (fair assertion), she still had enough output to limit the destructive scope of that ridiculously large black hole to form a small crater. It is at bare minimum a multi-continental feat.

[@russellyoung609]

@@sageoverheaven this was done using a cursed technique not cursed energy output they do not scale to that

[@sageoverheaven]

@@russellyoung609 Every cursed technique has an output behind it. See Mai and Yorozu having the same technique. The degree of output determines the actual potency of the technique.

[@nickisaneet]

Always bet on ThunderGod!

[@ThunderGodTG]

YESSIR! 😂✊🏻

[@bevenbelieven9424]

Why you take away is space cutting slash?

[@CertainlyCynical]

Cause downplaying jjk seems popular

[@ThunderGodTG]

I take it away no Mahoraga so I actually did have to choose 1

[@GhasTown]

My original message got deleted so I'm high key pissed, so ima just keep this short. 1. How does the Akatsuki scale to a sharingan Kakashi using a technique that amplifies his speed to cut lightning when dodging lightning or moving at lightning speed is generally considered something of hype such as Zetsu stating Kirin moved in 1/1000th of a second? 2. How do the Akatsuki scale to the Bijuu since they battle Jinchūriki who do not have access to their Bijuu's full power like Killer B and Naruto. This is seen as Matatabi is nowhere close to being as big as she was against KCM Naruto and Killer B. Bijuu physicals are enough to destroy mountains with mere tail swipes which a Sage Mode Jiraiya doing something similar with his big ball rasengan. Ik Deidara knocked Isobu out but Isobu wasn't actually harmed. Homie was just knocked out which can be argued against like him just swimming and minding his own business. The Bijuu vs Naruto & B were being controlled by Obito who was actually taking advantage of their power and abilities. Disregard Obito, Pain, and Itachi for both questions and disregard Kisame for the first as their scaling is pretty blatant. If you have a video or someone who you agree with has a video I'll gladly watch it. Thank you 🙏🏽✊🏾.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Ahhh my man I really fucking appreciate that you actually been blessing as of late 🫡🙏🏻 even watching is enough but, the financial help is a blessing so big thank you on that. 1) For the first point Zetsu is just going off the lore of Kirin and making general deductions about Sasuke using lightning, he doesn’t actually know how Kirin is speed wise which is supplemented with the Fanbook / Databook stating it’s LS. So Kirin itself is actually WAY faster than Kakashi is at this point which is why it’s so hyped up. 2) A lot of the Bijuu really aren’t that good at fighting, Matabi in the war was amped off of Obito’s Dojutsu (stated) along with being made a perfect Jinchuriki since she can use partial form Bijuu tails which Kisame notes is a testament to Bee being a perfect Jinchuriki. In the JPN it says she actually just let Matabi take over so it wasn’t even a Yugito in control that the duo beat, pretty much none of the Jin scale to the war arc feats vs Naruto & Bee since they have 2 different sets of crazy amps visually, stat wise, and chakra wise. I think my War Arc fights swapped with Swagkage is a good one where I explain this in detail - I.e the deal with the Edo Jin. I really appreciate the support again bro it’s entirely unnecessary but, unbelievably appreciated 🙏🏻

[@GhasTown]

@ThunderGodTG Trust if I had more to give I definitely would 😂✊🏾! I've been apart of your channel when you uploaded Jiraiya & Naruto v Orochimaru & Sasuke wit New Horizons (may he rest in peace 😂), but I was a jit back then. Whatever chance I get I gotchu 🙏🏽! 1. Zetsu didn't know how fast Kirin actually was but he was still hyping up lightning speed and being able to react to it. So how do the Akatsuki scale to lightning speed in combat or raw physical movement? 2. I know the war arc jinchūriki don't scale to the alive Jinchūriki but the Bijuu when fully tranaformed should scale since the only thing that changes is how they fight vs their actual physical stats. So how do the Akatsuki scale to the actual Bijuu vs scaling to the Jinchūriki? Matatabi did take over Yugito but Matatabi wasn't at her full size and power like she was when Obito controlled her or when she was staring down Madara. An example is how Kurama took over Naruto in V2 4-tails but obviously Kurama wasn't at his full power. They were just using a proportion of their chakra. The Bijuu are weird to me because you can have someone like Ay3 be an equal to Gyuki and then Ay4 supposed to be stronger than Ay3 and then someone like Sage Naruto defeating them. Or Rasa countering Shukaku one of the strongest tailed beast but not anyone who beats Rasa is taking out Shukaku like Orochimaru. But I appreciate you takin the time outta your day to respond to a nigga like me ✊🏾💯 mad respects to you TG

[@hhhh-qm2ud]

I feel like Sukuna with Spaital Slash And kamutoki Definitely beating War Arc Characters

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

Wouldn't the simple fact that Kenjaku didn't just think, and react towards a point-blank black hole, but also produced enough curse energy to use his anti-gravity to cancel out the black hole that very instant (all after having a taxing fight that required him to use RCT), prove that he’s FTL, and planetary (or on the level of planetary). Yuta speed blitzed Kenjaku (Kenjaku noticed Yuta at the last second, was going for an attack, but was blitzed), yet here’s a super nerfed Sukuna, constantly having 2 hands held back, lost about half of his curse energy matching Yuta’s curse energy level, yet Sukuna’s still toying with Yuta. Also, he did have a planetary statement from the author, just like Kurama.

[@TheEternalFlame57]

Kenjaku doesn’t scale to the attack in terms of power for sure. While the attack could have destroyed the planet, Yuki’s Will and Tengen massively held it back so it wouldn’t destroy the planet. The planetary statement that Kurama and Sukuna have are very different. Kurama’s is kinda a lot more blatant of just meaning the planet by saying “It would turn the planet to ash” in comparison to Sukuna’s which is “Sukuna will destroy the world as we know it” which is more so a destroying society type statement then the actual planet. Furthermore Kurama is not just working on statements when he actually has massive feats of destruction that he either does or scales to There is actually a pretty big time frame he could have activated anti gravity cause Yuki doesn’t immediately turn to a black hole, she actually talks a bit and grabs his leg, unless you want to say Yuki. like it's not like the black hole just appears and he activates the CT Finally the reason I don’t think light speed is consistent in JJK at all other then for Kashimo's light based attack (Which Sukuna seems more to aim dodge imo) is cause characters aren't landing the black flash at will. The black flash is just cursed energy being applied really fast after all.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

@@TheEternalFlame57 yes, they did stop it from destroying the planet, but Kenjaku was inside the black hole, where the full effects were not suppressed. For the longest time, Kurama’s statement was also considered a society-based statement. It does not help that the series and Kurama's flashbacks on the day Naruto was born were him reducing most of the village to ash. The proof that the characters were planetary came from Kaguya trying to destroy the dimensions. Tengen showed up, and Yuki grabbed Kenjaku’s leg with Kenjaku telling her to die like a human, completely unaware of what was going to happen, and the next panel Kenjaku was being sucked in, Kenjaku was confused about what was happening until the last second where he said “a black hole”, the Narrator explained it, and the next panel he was right next to it with his leg already being sucked in. There's no way he had time to charge up the energy. He was caught off guard. The black flash is “a phenomenon in jujutsu that greatly amplifies the user's physical strike when cursed energy is applied to it within one-millionth of a second”, It does not matter how fast the user is, what matters is how fast they can use curse energy, the fastest DE was 0.2 seconds, and that's considered an impressive feat that 3 or 4 characters can do, it's also treated as a divine ability because it blesses you, you cannot just use it at will. Along with the fact that it imbues the user with wisdom on curse energy putting them on a completely different level.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

@@TheEternalFlame57 also, dude chapter 238 you had Kashimo jump up, and blast the attack, it was a few yards away from Sukuna, and Sukuna was able to not only talk before the blast could hit him, but think, move, and perform a world slash dismantle before the blast could reach him. Which seems like the better showing of FTL, that scene or Naruto moving his head out of the way from Madara’s head movements, while blasting a light-speed attack?

[@TheEternalFlame57]

@@ginnungagapabyss5639 The reason why the speed of the user matters is cause we know what happens when the user is faster than the cursed energy. Divergent fist. The divergent fist is simply just what happens when the cursed energy can't keep up. While yes it is treated like an ability that blesses you, that's cause of the insane amount of curse energy control it needs to pull off. The reason why no one can pull it off is cause no one's cursed energy moves that fast, but it's not like every character who is SoL is using the divergent fist. Something we know is just a result of cursed energy not being able to keep up with the body I don't think Yuki's will would be able to suppress the growth of the black hole while keeping the center of it at the same potency. Nor do I think there is anything that implies that either. What we do know is Yuki's will directly suppressed the black hole Also we directly see Kenjaku figure it out before Yuki is even finished turning herself into a blackhole fully and Yuki is grabbing that leg. The reason why I don't think it was speed of light was cause Yuki wasn't a full blackhole yet. I am more willing to agree speed of light reaction time, but I genuinenly don't think this is a speed of light feat because of the fact Yuki wasn't fully transformed into one yet.

[@TheEternalFlame57]

@@ginnungagapabyss5639 Hmm. To be honest that's a fair one. You might have just convinced me that JJK is SoL with that. Though there are better SoL feats such as the Raikage dodging feat thanks to it being stated Raikage moves near the SoL through the data books

[@MZOver]

In the future, can you do The Konoha/Sand Jonin vs Grade 1 Sorcerers?

[@deadprecidents]

Slaughter for the jonin. Only special grades can really hang with Naruto verse higher tiers. And it’s mostly because of their hax. The speed tiers are just way better.

[@Rhenkei]

One of the few videos being realistic about Sukuna’s powers

[@Nobody_particular_anywhere]

This video is well constructed I just want to see a runback when heian sukuna loses or wins, especially when we see some more techniques from him

[@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ce]

Did this guy just say Sukuna doesn't inherently scale above Yuki's blackhole and Gojo's infinity, immediately after trying to inherently scale the akatsuki above the "continental" Biju?

[@ThunderGodTG]

The difference between those two is that 1)cursed techniques are not simply A > B B) the other are giant chakra monsters everyone in the group has to fight to meet a quota. Even if you don’t think each akatsuki member scales to a Bijuu they have to fight the Jinchuriki who is stronger

[@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ce]

@@ThunderGodTG 1. Never said they were, and neither are jutsus. Plus, beating somebody doesn't automatically scale offensive power specially in both series. Anybody who's read Naruto knows that. 2. Just because you beat somebody doesn't automatically mean you scale to their stats, much less just fight them. Jinchuriikis aren't automatically stronger than the Biju, the Biju don't scale to each other, and neither do the Jinchurikis. These are all pretty obvious.

[@ThunderGodTG]

1. Your statement implied it idk if you meant it like that but, if not yeah I agree. Not sure why you brought it up tho or phrased it like that if that was the case, but regardless yeah agreed. 2. I do agree with this partially but the Bijuu do scale to one another, they’re all able to harm and beat down the 8 tails in terms of Jutsu and physicality in a Kaiju like brawl. The only point where the Bijuu hiecharchy changes is when they use Bijuu bombs which is where their chakra differences actually come into play. The 8 tails for perspective can actually just survive its own Tailed Beast bomb and the other Bijuu can consistently damage it so yeah they do scale a lot closer than people actually realize.

[@CrimsonDRagon-bi9ce]

@@ThunderGodTG 1. My statement was pointing out the hypocrisy by equating both, and showing you're validating one and invalidating the other. By definition, in the argument, I think they're functionally the same. Idk how you agree w me but don't see how it's hypocritical to scale them to "continental" Biju because they fought. 2. I don't think the lower tailed Biju are physically going toe to toe with 8 tails by themselves, saying all of them can "damage" 8 tails is pushing it, and chakra is quite literally the foundation of the power system of the verse, so handwaving that is pretty BS. They aren't in the same tiers, much less the Jinchuriikis.

[@ThunderGodTG]

A) idk where we got lost in this convo but I came back and have no idea what this is on about B) I’d recommend rereading White Mask Obito vs Naruto & Bee cause yes they damage him MANY times so no this just incorrect on your part there is no BS lmao. Chakra is the foundation but chakra control is the main step to growing stronger, hence why the Jinchuriki are stronger than their Bijuu, why Obito gets stronger after stabilizing the Ten Tails, this is even made apparent with Naruto who just grows stronger from learning to use his enormous chakra pool more effectively. The whole more chakra = stronger is an insane oversimplification. Considering tho this convo has been going on for 3 days we can just keep it moving since at this point it’s just a time waster, I’ll def apply your arguments to help with my next vid so thanks!

[@BigSirSplash]

Naruto scalers scale anything else properly: challenge level IMPOSSIBLE Shoutout my guy Hidan tho

[@voidtempering8700]

Aren't you the guy that thinks Sukuna is 4d?

[@BigSirSplash]

@@voidtempering8700 am i the guy that used direct evidence? Indeed. Guilty as hell. TG is my guy & idc if he disagrees with me lol. We talk pretty often & he thought my sukuna evidence was great. We just dont agree. But if he said sukuna slaps people like you would desert him. He is in a tough spot.

[@weskintime4177]

@@BigSirSplashyou still got no chill lmao. But that’s why you funny in your videos.

[@BigSirSplash]

@@weskintime4177 TG is my dawg and knows i support his work lol

[@ThunderGodTG]

LMAOO we're cool btw guys he's not starting beef

[@mvfseries3576]

You downplayed Sakuna when fighting Sasori. Also all of Sukunas attacks, such as the AP of Fuga, and his slashes, have shown stronger than all of sasoris puppets lol. he’s literally the king of poisons so the poison argument. Also in character. Sasori would probably start with his Hiruko Puppet and underestimate Sakuna from the jump and get hit with a domain expansion or cut around his heart. Besides that, wonderful video lol. Nagato the Goat

[@ThunderGodTG]

I swear I said all of this

[@justjelly2792]

Why not give him the space cutting slash? It kinda took the fun out of the video because he already scales lower than them. Giving him the slash would’ve made this a more interesting video, still good though 👍🏾

[@Daruno]

Because he cant do it with the speed diference? Even if Mahoraga was put there the top Akatsuki can One shot them and then go after Sukuna

[@ThunderGodTG]

I mentioned it to a few people but I want to wait till we see more from it just before I start bringing it up. That’s also a much crazier Mahoraga that was taking black flashes from Gojo which does change the matchup. I’ll make a note about it tho for future topics glad you enjoyed 👍🏻

[@badassproductions4734]

I get what you were going for by using kakashi to upscale the akatsuki but ill have to disagree with it. Kirin was stated to be undodgeable because of how fast lightning was. Itachi doesn't dodge it and while he was fatigued at this point, he then blitz destroys hydra orochimaru moments after. Im aware of the light speed kirin statement but for 1 sasuke has no chakra to amp it at this point, zetsu says its as fast as lightning and kirin itself is really just lightning you can redirect, not lightnung made fron chakra itself like chidori or something. Even if im wrong about Kirin's speed, zetsu is hyping up kirin while fully well knowing how fast itachi should be.

[@ThunderGodTG]

So the whole thing with Zetsu saying that is that he’s just discussing lightning itself he hasn’t even seen Kirin form yet or no about the jutsu so he’s just giving an explanation for why it’d be fast af. Sasuke does have to use some amount chakra to change the lightning form into a dragon and amp it. That Kirin tho you actually can argue would be stronger than normal due to it also being noted Amaterasu was amping it. There’s also 2 statements for LS Kirin in Data & Fanbook which add to the consistency.

[@badassproductions4734]

​@@ThunderGodTG Zetsu makes his statement after sasuke already explained the jutsu. The fire balls and amaterasu were used to create the heat neccesary to create the cloud for the lightning but are not amping the lightning, especially not 2000 times over. Sasuke also has no chakra to amp it with and is simply just guiding it to the ground.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Sasuke's explanation of the Jutsu just meant that he'd utilize lightning and guide it down which goes back to Zetsu knowing or having an idea, he also just mentions it'll be a crazy chakra form change without knowing what it would be. I will say Sasuke is not 100% out of chakra as he has the Sharingan Active and hasn't pushed for more from Orochimaru inside his seal, so he did use some amount, however small to utilize the technique. The technique just makes use of natural lightning so the chakra use is next to none, Sasuke does have to manually change the form of the lightning however so he does have to amp it. It also wouldn't mean every Kirin is lightspeed just this specific amped iteration.

[@NobleLaika]

Bro imagine obito kamuing and Mahoraga adapts creating his own kamui and follows him💀

[@Julio9j11j]

Let's GoooooooTG THE GAWD 🔥

[@Ndasuunye]

consistent problem with JJK is its inconsistency. i've come to terms with that the story is not remotely about consistent long story telling but all about showing off the most flashiest coolest fights ignoring all consistent strenghts and previous feats. the story only has 3 arcs and this third arc is dragging only for it to suddenly end. Very clear gege doesn't care for anything other than showing off overpowered fights and going home for ramen.

[@necromage843]

what is the name of the song at 28:26?

[@tescobakery1927]

Dragon Ball Z: Budōkai Tenkaichi 2 - "Lost Courage"

[@necromage843]

@@tescobakery1927 thanks

[@ATLANTA64]

ThunderGod is your favorite superhero thor and have you considered doing a verses battle between all lightning gods or characters 🙏🏼💯

[@ATLANTA64]

From mythology comics anime etc

[@ken12345garcia]

Sukuna actually has a good chance of winning against most of them. Reasons below: 1. Hidan- fire arrow/Maharaja/cleave, dismantle/Max elephant/Dog Totality/cursed tool. You have to remember that Sukuna is slamming people through concrete and steel beams. Or he can just eat him. 2. Deidara- Has no chance Sukuna can attack him anywhere. He can't fly away and he's trapped in his domain expansion. Sukuna also survived 2 hollow purples. 3. Sasori- No chance. Sukuna has too much in his arsenal. Poison won't work on him and sand manipulation isn't going to do much against him. 4. Kakazu- world cutting slash Would mess him up pretty bad i.e. kashimo. But, kakazu pus up a better fight than the 1st three. Sukuna can fight multiple opponents at one time. Remember he got away from maximum meteor and can fire nukes of his own. 5. Konan- no chance. If Jiriya was too much for her then Sukuna is way too much. Cleave and dismantle will really mess her up. 6. Itachi- this is where it gets interesting. World cutting clash kills. However Itachi can seal him. He has Genjutsu but Sukuna has Maharaja which is pretty much unkillable. Literally they have to kill it in one shot. Itachi either has to use hax and that hax has to kill immediately. 7. Kisame- No chance. 8. Pain- pain can win if he jumps Sukuna. Yes Kakazu could jump him but he doesn't have the arsenal pain does. Sukuna has to learn each ability then has to make sure none of the pains take his soul or CE or revive too many times. People have to remember Sukuna having the 10 shadows makes it almost even. 9. Tobi/Obito- world cutting slash or Maharaja. I know WCS is not a part of the match ups. But, let's keep it real Sukuna is not losing that easy to the Akatsuki. If they don't nuke Sukuna on go, they lose. You have to remember Sukuna can slash without touching you. He has RCT and once he opens up his domain that's it. You can calc his feats. He is destroying steel. That's horrific. Not many Akatsuki members can survive his DE. That is a game-ender. I like Other shonen and manga but people sleep on JJK feats. Sukuna is a beast. Genjutsu may not work. If you have near equal or equal genjutsu the opponent won't be able to do anything. And the usage also depends on effectiveness. Going full scale may not work. Kakshi survived Obito who put konan under a simple genjutsu so I think Sukuna has a chance. I'm not saying Sukuna will win every fight but the odds of him clearing most of the Akatsuki is pretty real. If all parties have no knowledge of what the other can do then you have to bet on Sukuna. Remember in JJK you don't know your opponents CT. Sukuna has the tactical advantage. Substitutions won't help. Even if you have the ability to become intangible Maharaja will adapt and once again WCS. The best way to beat him is to jump him quickly and not many Naruto characters go for a quick kill. Normally Sukuna does that unless. He killed Gojo once he figured it out. He killed Ryu immediately. Killed Jogo immediately. Killed Maharaja. Killed yorozu immediately twice. Killed kashimo. Killed higurama. He's that scary. Sukuna has as much if not double yutas CE that says a lot. If I had to bet Sukuna washes most of these Akatsuki and runs into trouble with bijuu level characters. And that's not all of them. Kakazu, Pain, Kisame, and Tobi. Everyone else is getting washed pretty fast. How do they know Maharaja isn't adapting. And the more they spam the same attack the more likely Sukuna wins. Remember in JJK they lose limbs a lot so Sukuna is not going into the fight with the intent of losing. Clones don't matter. Plus technically Gojo is a doujutsu user and he beat him. Other thing is Maharaja adapts to kill anything and adapts to everything. If the technique is simple than that's it. The second they use something that isn't a one shot they pretty much have a few options left. How do they beat that?

[@Rck-vert]

Wtf did I jus read😂

[@nwk1626]

crazy how he does worse than gojo would yet beat him

[@ken12345garcia]

@@Rck-vert Sukuna is a country destroyer. What's funny about that? A special grade can wipe armies. Gojo, Yuta, Yuki, Geto, Kenjaku, @ 15 fingers he basically can destroy everything so, how strong is he at 20 fingers plus 10 shadows?Sukuna is way too much for a lot of the Akatsuki. He has RCT. Only sages and rinnegan users can compete with that. Who can heal on the spot in the Akatsuki during a fight? Durability is pretty good too. He ate a black flash from Gojo. That pretty much kills most people in his verse. When you get hit with that it's auto crit. Sukuna can turn the fight to a 3 V 1 quickly or 1 V 11. He understands the concept of everything pretty much. And is shown to be able to strategize on the spot. Last thought... Sure hit in DE. How is anyone in Naruto dodging that? Unless they can teleport or do a simple domain they die.

[@ken12345garcia]

@@nwk1626 ?

[@matiastaka8113]

How does world cutting slash affect obito’s kamui ? Sukuna has no way of defeating him

[@MZOver]

Hidan gonna get packed up. Also don’t get mad if Sukuna does better against the Akatsuki than Gojo did against the Hokage, they are relative fighters but Gojo fights a tougher gauntlet

[@jordandavilabrown294]

Sorry but I have to disagree with your scaling on Sukuna. 1. Not only did Kenjaku produce at bare minimum the same amount of energy with his anti-gravity to cancel out the Yuki's black hole but he also used his body as a domain to tank it and afterward he called it a fun warmup, thus he scales to it and characters within JJK that scale to or above Kenjaku would scale to or above Yuki's black hole as well. Now if you don't like using argument that fine cause there are other arguments that can get them to these levels. Example 1: Kenjaku would scale to Tengen in terms of barrier techniques and Tengen contained Yuki's black hole within his barrier to keep it from destroying the world. Example 2: The durability/HP of JJK characters scales higher than their AP which is proven through "Black Flash" which raises the power of a strike to the power of 2.5 which is insane. An example being Geto taking a black flash from Yuta to the face and not only survived but was still able to keep on fighting. In JJK 0 it was stated that Rika could have destroyed a whole town (I personally think this downplays their power since Rika scales above the Disaster Curses but for the sake of argument I'll roll with it) but they never said how big the town was so I will scale this by starting from the low to mid to high end scaling. (Number of joules come from VS BATTLE WIKI) Small town level 4.184×10^12 to 2.42672×10^13 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^31 to 2.901×10^33 joules: small planet to planet level. Town level 2.42672×10^13 to 4.184×10^14 joules ^2.5 = 2.901×10^33 to 3.58079×10^36 joules: planet to large planet level. Large town level 4.184×10^14 to 4.184×10^15 joules ^2.5 = 3.58079×10^36 to 1.132×10^39 joules: large planet to darf star level. Keep in mind that Kenjaku who had possession of Geto's body was going to be killed by Gojo in one punch in chapter 221 and Sukuna effortlessly blocked it thus telling us that Gojo and Sukuna's AP and durability/ HP scale extremely higher than the other JJK characters. (High-end scaling) When Mahito landed a "Black Flash" on Todo, it would have killed him if Todo didn't put all his curse energy into the part of his body that was going to get hit by it. This tells us that by pouring all of our curse energy in a single point you would not only exponentially increase your defense but also your offense as shown when Yuji poured all of his curse energy into his "Black Flash" in order to completely wear down Mahito, this means by pouring all your CE into a singular point you would be able to increase your offense and defense to almost the same level as black flash. That said there is a problem with this, JJK characters would have to pour the majority of their curse energy or all of it in order for this work which will leave their bodies defenseless and would consume their curse energy in no time so they wouldn't be doing this constantly. However this isn't a problem for both Gojo and Sukuna due to their incredible levels of curse energy efficiency in which the amount of energy that they use in their techniques is infinitesimally close to zero, meaning they would be able to pull off what Todo and Yuji did just using very little curse energy to accomplish. And given that Gojo was going to casually one shot Kenjaku who survived Yuki's black hole that has a calculated to be around large planet to darf star level without having to give it his all would mean both Gojo and Sukuna would be able to reach universal levels, it could go even higher than that since Yuki's black hole could have been more powerful than what we thought since in JJK 0 Geto took a black flash from Yuta in the face and Yuta scales to or above the disaster curses who have shown to have large mountain to island levels of power, thus this would make Yuta's black flash around solar system level of power. In the "JJK S1 animation guide" stated that in the manga infinite void was depicted as a blank void with an expanding swath of the universe and the director Sunghoo Park wanted it to look more godly so he consulted Gege Akutami about it and he gave him some ideas which resulted in the final product, if the constructs of a domain scale to the one who cast them then this proves that Gojo is universal. 2. A fully reincarnated Sukuna was shown being able blitzing Kashimo in his "Mythical Beast: Amber" form which has been stated that it allows him to use electromagnetic waves in his attacks, also keep in mind that Sukuna is the pinnacle of power in JJK so it really wouldn't be inconsistent at all Now there is a higher end scaling for Gojo's combat speed through his teleportation. Base off the original japanese text from JJK which is (瞬間移動/Shunkan Utsuri dō) it translates to "instantaneous teleportation" (according to Google translate), and Gojo is able to use it in close quarter combat and the fact that Sukuna was still able to keep up with him saids a lot about his speed. 3. Since curse energy and Chakra are equalized here that means Sukuna can use "domain amplification" to neutralize/nullify their ninjutsu. All in all the Akatsuki would be slaughtered.

[@matus19971]

Two things I gotta point out: - malevolent shrine is a sure hit effect. In JJK you have ways to protect yourself but there is a reason why domain expansions are a big deal. Without having an appropriate way to shield yourself, like in the case of Itachi with a susanoo, you are guaranteed to get hit and you could get decapitated. - Mahoraga is incredibly tanky. The stuff he survived when fighting Gojo is just ridiculous. Apart from the top of the verse, those attacks would just straight up kill people. So there are very few things that can straight up one shot Mahogara, and if those fail where he would survive with just barely hanging onto life, that is just straight up the "worst case scenario" for an opponent.

[@hobbyhorse5848]

If we’re being honest, a lot of these Akatsuki members should just be more durable and powerful than Sukuna anyway (yes. Even weaker ones). The Bijuu are just a lot more powerful than what you can quantify with JJK’s scaling (things like Yuki’s black hole are all over the place) and even physically weaker Akatsuki members like Deidara and Sasori are still Bijuu level. The only people that are really super vulnerable to MS are Hidan, Deidara, maybe Kisame, Pain could initially tank it and just ST the entire shrine to pieces. Like, Deidara casually flipped turtle island. Very casually. Sukuna is not tanking that.

[@khulmach9662]

@@hobbyhorse5848 Ninja's in Naruto have no durability to sharp objects, they dodge and block Kunai from fodders

[@matus19971]

@@hobbyhorse5848 thing is, youre forgetting a few things: - even JJK characters are quite durable, especially someone like Sukuna. Tanking an enhanced, max power output hollow purple (200%) is just nuts. - despite being durable, characters are always hurt by cut and cleave, despite the fact that they have to output cursed energy to shield themselves from it. If they did not, their limbs would go flying. We often see cut and cleave just leave marks because people HAVE to protect themselves. Innate durability is not enough so saying how tanky a Naruto character is doesnt mean much when we dont know the max damage of cut and cleave as 9/10 times we see people just taking laceration damage thanks to protecting themselves. - bijuu level is such a vague statement because look at someone like the 3rd raikage, who could only stalemate Gyuki. Yet, when it comes to power, skill, defense, etc. he would rank higher than low to mid tier Akatsuki fighters. What the Akatsuki took down were jinchuriki, not the bijuu (except Isobu, which was taken down by Obito), and even then, they took them down in pairs. Jinchuriki can be stronger than the bijuu themselves, but only in the case of perfect jinchuriki. Those who have no harmony with their bijuu are not "bijuu level" when bijuu are walking natural disasters. There are Akatsuki members who are kage level and some even above that, but plenty of them are just high-jonin level. I would argue only the top 3 Akatsuki members - Nagato, Itachi and Obito would beat Sukuna. Nagato is also a bit up in the air because his kit just would not interact well with Sukuna. The point of MS is that it is sure hit. Those cuts and cleaves spawn on top of you and it is highly speculative to say that Pain could absorb it like ninjutsu. I think this matchup is the most questionable. + we are going off of a slightly weaker Sukuna, as we are not letting him have the space cut that killed Gojo. That one attack alone would be a major game changer. Dont get me wrong, the Akatsuki are powerful, but the ways everyone´s kit matches against Sukuna is just pretty bad as you mainly need ways to protect yourself from his attacks before you can even go and fight him. Now before you say that I am biased, I dislike both JJK and Naruto. Theyre just ways to kill time for me.

[@fork-man]

But here is the thing most of the akatsuki can dish out attacks not just on a large scale but pretty consistently so if maho let's say block or dodged a few of the attacks getting hit by city range attacks back to back isn't lwaving a spec to heal from then damage wise is worse as the members need to be relative or stronger then beast that makes mountains their playgrounds then the host are stated in universe to be stronger due to having better control over bijuu power and we see how their fights end

[@alswisha8519]

Sure hits would ignore susanoo lol

[@johnpristo4161]

Itachi can instantly kill sukuna And make him see that sukuna wins but it's all a dream.

[@knull9499]

imagine mahoraga just adapts to death because of facing death so many times and surviving so many times,that could be sick asf

[@quazell88]

Can you do captain yami from black clover vs the 5 kaga ?

[@unclesmugs4552]

The domain expansion doesn't do anything to anyone from the akatsuki as they all scale to biju bombs each biju bomb can nuke entire continents💀

[@DaKing540]

No tailed beast bombs are mountain level not continent level that’s the ten tails man but Naruto is definitely way stronger than jjk

[@Arcadia_warlic]

Of note for Kisame, Samehada does not actually have to hit the target to drain its energy. Its first use was just a near-swipe next to Naruto who was charging his chakra and it cancelled the charge by ripping away his energy from around his body. So any way-ward swing might negate any technique near the sword, or from the target if they were nearby. Shuradō did not actually withstand the Raikiri, it was cut through, but Shuradō managed to survive the damage due to its semi-mechanical nature. Tendō was likewise disabled with a base Rasengan, albeit when Nagato was at his limit. Better examples would be catching Sage Mode Jiraiya's punch and potentially "catching" his Rasengan before absorbing it.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Bro did cook with this one no contentions agree with everything, I was ironically explaining that Kisame point to someone the other day not too many people catch it.

[@Offthelowend]

Your lowballing cleave and malevolent shrine crazy If your equalizing verses cleave cuts threw anybody it adjust to the cursed energy and hardness of a target and ignores durability And in a domain just about everybody is cooked unless you really think they can tank cleave in a domain the attack doesn’t exist until it touches you that’s why it’s cold sure hit no one is dodging his domains sure hits and are getting minced

[@ThunderGodTG]

Interesting points, a lot of this I have already mentioned in the vid which confuses me tho did you see the Kakuzu section

[@baines803]

Ok so this is super head cannony but the prison realm works by having someone stand in its area for a full min even if that minute is in their mind. Do you think mahoragas adaptation could work similarly in like tsukiyomi where like sukuna gets put in the jutsu and the time that passes in it give mahoraga enough time to it irl

[@ThunderGodTG]

Interesting thought it’s certainly possible since Mahoraga is just popping domains but that was only after getting hit from 4/5 of Gojo’s so you’d prob need to say he gets hit by a few tsukyuomi for it to happen.

[@tachimesan6133]

Itachi can adjust the time you're inside the Tsukoyomi, evident when he made that one Uchiha girl experience 80 YEARS in 1/10 of a second. Mahoraga needs to be hit multiple times by a skill for it to adapt. Neither Mahoraga nor Sukuna will survive one hit of Tsukoyomi

[@bullphrogva1804]

Sukuna absolutely tanks Sasori. Domain expansion and just target Sasori weak spot, the little toilet paper cardboard tube that holds his soul. Nothing else Sasori can do matters unless he can stop domain expansion because he is just a video game character with a big red weak spot on his chest that insta kills him.

[@PranavVarshney-t7w]

Sasori speed blitzes dawg

[@xtubejr]

Bro Sukuna is easily smoking Kakuzu. He doesn’t need the 10 Shadows for it.

[@uspahle]

Prove it

[@Xeishio]

But if sukuna closed the malevolent shrine with a barrier on deidara right at the start it's over...

[@akhandtripathipyz9888]

True He is also much smarter than diedara but obviously Diedara has way more fire power

[@illamatic1378]

Also sukuna can use the adaptation ability without mahoraga being out and in danger from being one shotted plus without using domain amplification it should be an easy quicker adaptation.

[@ajayimoses2495]

Kiss me vs mahoraga would just be “Nah I’d absorb” Vs “Nah i‘d adapt”

[@LawAdNauseam]

In his own universe, Sukuna is a greater threat than most of the akatsuki combined… but Sukuna’s world is the world😂 not the ninja world. He’s probably losing to chunin exam neji

[@uspahle]

😭😭gaara would tear him in half

[@Sun-cg6lv]

Mahoraga is immune to cutting attacks after the Sukuna fight.

[@Mimi-vv9gz]

Potential Sukuna vs 5 Kage after his full arsenal is revealed?

[@DripDSauce]

Yessir🔥🔥🐐

[@DripDSauce]

Idk how Pain survives though. Even Konohamaru killed a Path of Pain🤔

[@ThunderGodTG]

He didn't kill it, he knocked it out as that was the Naraka path that had to revive the other paths. It also just has no external damage.

[@user-Dined69]

what is bro talkin bout kakazu can't do sh*t to even a 1 finger sukuna

[@ThunderGodTG]

Why is 1F Sukuna beating Kakuzu

[@Bold472]

IDK what bro is saying. 1F sukuna is not beating Kakuzu. You'd have to say 1F sukuna can take on the Two Rails, Matatabi. Which Sukuna is not. Not even 15F sukuna is hurting Matatabi. He would get cooked. Sukuna is not boxing with tailed beast like the Akatsuki is

[@Chrism0rris.1]

Hold up this was made ago and we didn’t mention his real form or like world cutting slash ?

[@ThunderGodTG]

I should have mentioned this in the vid if I give him the slash I gotta take away Mahoraga cause it gets cooked right after. So I just used an earlier form of Sukuna.

[@fl8704]

Gojo and sukuna running the naruto gauntlet please 🙏

[@Nolimitsbestfriend]

meguna is so strong with the potential to ressurect into a god in human form is wicked

[@Nolimitsbestfriend]

maho makes this all very plush sukuna has prob higher BIQ than most cmonnn

[@osyrisking5437]

I don't think tranquil deer's positive energy should straight negate chakra, but I DO think there's an argument to be made about how cursed energy and positive energy interact with Genjutsu, since Genjutsu functions by injecting chakra into the opponents body and manipulating their senses with it. Considering how reverse cursed energy flows from the brain, I think this interaction would be really interesting.

[@ThunderGodTG]

Not all Genjutsu operates like that, the injecting argument is more so prevalent for Koto, but I will say I actually do like this point a lot

[@thomaswelte5017]

Sukuna is about to spam domain expansions left and right in this one

[@Hamzathefirst]

I wanted to ask, do you know if the 3rd kazekage would’ve been stronger alive than when he’s Sasoris puppet?

[@ThunderGodTG]

He’d def be stronger alive, the puppet is limited by its own body not being a Ninja Body amped with Chakra raising its speed and durability - compared to a puppet body which is more lacking and limited to the chakra Sasori gives him as opposed to his own reserves.

[@hobbyhorse5848]

No. Chiyo states that the puppet retains all the chakra and abilities he had in life like a battery PLUS the fact that his body is now fitted with tons of hidden poisoned weapons AND now has poisonous iron sand. The third Kazekage being one shot by a mentally resolved Sakura doesn’t really say anything that negative imo, the Kazekage in general are glass canons, Gaara for example was knocked out by a handful of very small C1 which Deidara himself can tank and Gaara only displays decent durability feats very late into the war arc (when the databook states he has already gained 2 permanent mental amps after beating his father + reuniting with Shukaku) Even sakuras base level of strength was compared to Tsunade and her cherry blossom impact destructive capacity is greater than Choji’s spiky human boulder, which forced Kakuzu to use diamond morph to block. So she hits pretty hard.

[@ThunderGodTG]

The only problem with the argument that it retains chakra is that Sasori does mention in the fight he himself will have to expend chakra for the Third to use Stronger Jutsu, so while he probably does have a supply Sasori more than likely just has to give the puppet more to user larger Jutsu. That or they’re just directly tied and the battery of chakra uses Sasori’s chakra to enable to puppet to use Jutsu. I think it’s entirely plausible he could have more durable as well considering Sasori also just no diffed the head of third kazekage puppet when seperated. We just don’t know but puppets generally just don’t have great durability. Even the Gaara example bro was still conscious after getting hit by multiple C1 and had to move all that sand out the village, but he may be an exception since it doesn’t seem likely the other Kazekage use sand armor. Just my 2 cents

[@cunningfox7838]

Lol after watching the battle against Jogo, there is nothing that Deidera can do on that bird. He grabbed that man out the air so many times. Lol

[@retroreflux7397]

espada vs Akastsuki when?

[@vegetasbiggestopp659]

The espada stomps the akastsuki so hard not only with power but the espada out speeds them so hard

[@MonkeyDkrs]

Sukuna glaze is wild

[@CVVLin]

What happen 2 sukuna world cutting slash

[@ThunderGodTG]

I mention it in a few comments, I also say in the vid I wasn’t using it

[@hosshydraa1181]

Naruto as a kid was massively hypersonic + meaning every character that had to fight Naruto was at least that quick.

[@SomberSammy]

konans paper isnt water proof, the clip you used for that point was foam being used to wash off the oil jiraiya covered her with. pain had to stop his rain for konan to use her paper to go out and locate jiraiya so its likely she is not water proof. Great video tho much love

[@ThunderGodTG]

Konan literally gets soaked by a water crab right after getting hit with oil, she’s actually waterproof. She also just blatantly fights Obito in the rain pain just dismisses the rain as well. Pain stopped the rain since it made no sense to have the jutsu active if they knew were Jiraya was already, appreciate the love

[@SomberSammy]

After the crab spits the water out jiraiya calls it foam not water at least in the anime idk about the manga but I guess it was probably a mix of both, ngl completely forgot about it raining during the obito fight lmao got me there

[@ThunderGodTG]

Nah no problem lmao appreciate the open mind shit he easy to miss appreciate the support again 🙏🏻

[@piggyj3762]

Can you do a video on what if orochimaru took Sasuke body

[@obliteratex8966]

U say deidara could just drop a bomb. We seen jogo try to drop a meteor on Sukuna and Sukuna dodged it. What stops Sukuna from dodging deidaras bomb ?

[@hobbyhorse5848]

Deidara being faster

[@obliteratex8966]

@@hobbyhorse5848 he has to go in the sky to drop it tho it’s not just a speed thing.