Summit1g Reacts: Call of Duty Streamers Don't Understand Halo | by The Act Man

[@TheActMan]

Man Sunmit is such a chad. But that guy in the video is kind of cute...

[@ThreeToeJoe]

Act man watches Jaron confirmed 👀

[@marshalsoult3860]

Gabi headshots eren pew pew

[@anonymousrs3996]

Sunmint 🌞 🍬

[@TheeWeebster]

Love how summit in all reality is pulling some attention to this cutie

[@daylin2002]

The cross over I didn’t know I needed in my life. *chefs kiss*

[@iTomBass]

Jesus that chat made me lose a few braincells. When Act man said he wanted a BR too and they responded with "???" and "what was the point of this then?" Did you not listen to the fkn video?? he was arguing it doesn't NEED one to survive and the streamers mindset of thinking that is very misguided and giving his reasons why. People are so dumb man...

[@Coneter]

You could tell when all the COD kids would come out in packs and feed off each other for like a min. They were loosing it towards the end. They couldn't hold it in for 30 minutes lmao

[@janmbro8812]

@@Coneter i still cant believe cod is still popular these days . its such soullessly sweaty , retextured , pay to win game franchise . the only reason cod is alive is cuz of this twitch streamers like drdisrespect , timthetatman . they are forced to play this soulless shit cuz of their braindead viewers . also they death threaten other communities like minecraft , apex

[@ver5549]

@@janmbro8812 idk man MW2019 became one of my top 5 cod games and 100 favorite games of all time lol

[@janmbro8812]

@@ver5549 i respect ur opinion but mw 2019 was ruined by its campy map design

[@ver5549]

@@janmbro8812 yea I can get that but what’s weird is that I barely met any campers when I was playing MP only coked up rushers who had super adhd

[@geilertobi231]

Chat was malding so hard at this video, guess it is true what they say about the demographic of streamers. Just shows that act man is right lol

[@SoulTransient]

Its all in the stats.

[@yubayiga8336]

Yeah, they were so butthurt bc act Man confuse Zlaner for dr lupo and wanted to deny the points he just made just for that. Then I Look that they have subscription tiers and have it clear lol

[@betoherrera4288]

Or maybe hold on maybe they were mad because they wasted all their money on the PS5 and got nothing to play 🤔 I mean that’s the only thing I see that can get them so butthurt I could be wrong tho

[@themysteriousface7633]

Facts, literally most of the chat was like “That is a bad take” what is what’s a bad take?

[@ELI_0611]

I bet they’re gonna be crawling to halo when it launches Bc it’s gonna be so fun 🤩

[@uh-ooooh]

You can tell the pattern of how chat fluctuates when Act Man mentions how an audience would leave if their favorite big streamer doesn't play a BR. They know this video is also about them and they get feverishly defensive, insulting Act Man with "he doesn't know what he's talking about." That's some crazy manipulative mental abuse streamers have to deal with because they KNOW for a fact that they will absolutely leave if a streamer even dares tip their toes in something else they want to do.

[@antwonsworld3435]

Chat was also just absolute aids

[@chalk1415]

I think I lost some brain cells when seeing that chat tbh. You can tell who the kids were in that chat.

[@yubayiga8336]

Also most of that people were the ones who have high subscribe tiers to Twitch channels, lol. That really tells you more

[@suhdud4646]

Exactly! People only get triggered by ActMan only because they cant handle the truth, dont hate the messenger.

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

@@HowIsAsh yeah 17 year old hear, and getting more tired of the manchildren of this world

[@VandersonStudios]

I like that Summit at least gets it. Even if he disagreed at certain parts, he's listening and he entertains the argument. And then there's his chat.

[@LeuLeumas]

My eye glanced there i wish i was blind

[@rumble9920]

@@LeuLeumas they're a hivemind

[@Zathren]

Individual vs herd mentality.

[@Stryfe52]

Stream chats are idiotic man…

[@WolieIsHot]

I hate how a good chunk of chat lowkey admitted that they don't watch for the streamer they watch for the game when Act Man was saying "The viewers watch for you"

[@craig2353]

Goddamn that chat is full of smooth brains holy fuck.

[@emulatorisland7417]

What a fuckin' hivemind... Holy shitttt

[@janmbro8812]

i still cant believe cod is still popular these days . its such soullessly sweaty , retextured , pay to win game franchise . the only reason cod is alive is cuz of this twitch streamers like drdisrespect , timthetatman . they are forced to play this soulless shit cuz of their braindead viewers . also they death threaten other communities like minecraft , apex

[@tomhanks558]

@@janmbro8812 How is COD pay to win? I agree that vanguard multiplayer is a CV paste of MW 2019 and zombies is a CV paste of cold war zombies but some of your points are inconsistent, And Livestream views don't necessarily impact how a game is doing.

[@janmbro8812]

@@tomhanks558 oh i forgot it isnt pay to win . but the only they update the game is by adding more skins , camos . thats literaly warzone

[@tomhanks558]

Haven't played warzone in a long time sucks that's happening I guess

[@Jitterzz]

Notice how the entire comments section here on KZbin lines up pretty closely to what ActMan is saying and all the smooths in Twitch chat can contribute is “????” “Bad take”. It’s incredible seeing his point being proven in real time! KZbin audience has a totally different mindset and does not give a shit about watching a guy play a game for hours instead of *playing* the actual game. We’ll go on KZbin and watch clips while we eat, and then keep playing the game. It seems there are many on Twitch who can’t listen to a different mindset and who actually like Halo 5. They don’t seem to want Halo to go back to the glory days, like hardcore Halo fans want, so I say “boohoo, fuck ‘em if they can’t be reasoned with”.

[@adrianmontero1611]

This ^

[@Jitterzz]

@The Ultimate Truth This is the ultimate truth.

[@zer0nelothar895]

@The Ultimate Truth damn your name say it all

[@haarisbutt2075]

You have to remember that KZbin comments are easily accessible and open for all to see. Twitch chat is constantly moving so people will say whatever to join the chat and try to get attention. You don't see long comments like yours because by the time you type it, 100 other messages make yours dissappear. Twitch chat is more about getting attention than having a discussion

[@keonkla]

Well what do you expect when most twitch users are fatherless men who worship fake father figures lol.

[@brandondilts3758]

Twitch chat is comepletey clueless and it hurts my heart to see them question mark. I’ve never seen a video nail it on the head better in my entire life

[@Yungbeck]

fax

[@bimblor7945]

oh noooo boo hoo

[@ls200076]

@@bimblor7945 ikr, chat sometimes cries a lot

[@jmeistur2879]

Twitch chat is a collective hive mind of autistic children. they all just agree with each other, and anything the streamer says is immediately true. they can't think for themselves, and formulate their own conclusions.

[@why1638]

@@jmeistur2879 boomers created a golden era of gaming, zoomers destroyed it all while doing fornite dances and opening boxes

[@Peckh]

Hillarious seeing the people go full "BAD TAKE" When act man shows evidence and proof that youtubers bigger than twitch Its not crazy to wrap your head around guys. Look at when a minecraft youtuber like Technoblade goes live. Instant 700k viewership

[@kreatona4219]

KZbin has a far bigger demographic than Twitch, but Twitch fills the role of live streaming far better than KZbin (and thank fucking God. I don't want KZbin to hold a monopoly on everything)

[@philo2189]

the funny part is they just say bad take and call him dumb without any counter point lmao

[@spicynoodles444]

@@philo2189 hard to make a counter point when chat is flying bye

[@philo2189]

@@spicynoodles444 you can lol just say that's a bad take and explain why it's not hard.

[@Fat_Rucker]

@@spicynoodles444 wrong

[@plm6523]

Jesus, a lot of Twitch copers in the chat lmao, "This guy doesn't know what he's talking about" "Who is this guy?" "Horrible take"

[@Crazy-pl1lo]

its all the nickmer DR lupo timmytenders fans that are still on twitch because there overlords left twitch

[@bestestgaming8454]

they all zoomers who have never played a proper halo game

[@BLTspace]

Chat was hard to watch. Bunch of kids that never touch a game unless their fav streamer plays it.

[@daylin2002]

@@BLTspace it’s like they can’t have independent thoughts lol. Act Man is a huge Halo fan and offers some great solid points and these kids just say “he has no idea what he’s taking about” …like do you know who this guy is?!

[@bestestgaming8454]

@SwiftX summit literally chose the worst time in the vid to start talking right as actman makes the best point

[@thegrayghoul4638]

Ngl it made me feel good when act man dropped straight facts and triggered all the brainlets in chat multiple times.

[@mubassirzaman7202]

No comment: Everyone likes that

[@pressfive]

But who was right? Doc was right. The game died without a BR.

[@thegrayghoul4638]

@@pressfive No... he was not even close to right, lmfao... The reason the game is dying is because of 343s incompetance and unwillingness to have any live service elements in a "live service" game, not because the game doesnt have a BR. The rate at which they are releasing new content for this game is flat out pathetic tbh.

[@josephdurham4950]

@@thegrayghoul4638 no matter what doc was right. I saw docs response and he even clarified it doesn't need to be a BR but he said they need to have something fresh or new...the game is hurting right now and doc said it wouldn't hold attention for more than a few weeks...also right. And for the record I'm a huge fan of halo, doc ,actman, and hell even sum sum but at the end of day doc was more correct. One last thing I don't actually play any BRs so Idc I just want the game to be fresh and fun and be supported

[@thegrayghoul4638]

@@josephdurham4950 You mean how he completely reversed his stance on a BR after all the backlash, yeah throwing shit against the wall until it sticks isnt something I would deem as "correct". Because thats literally all he was doing more or less, he switched his views until he told people what they wanted to hear.

[@HeyKyle]

Someone in chat really said “I hate these drama channels” Dude really thinks Act Man is a drama channel 💀

[@ROKE_89]

some people think the world is flat... lowbrainers are everywhere :,D

[@imprincesswolfy2565]

@@ROKE_89 the earth is flat just like their EEG

[@speven371]

I mean... he kinda is. He's said multiple times that he's "done" with halo but whenever there's another controversy with 343 he comes right back to make a video to milk it for all its worth.

[@kryhigh9302]

Also the people in chat saying "not YT gaming" about the point made at 7:54 seem to forget about the biggest section on Twitch called "Just Chatting"

[@thewisewolf768]

Hahahahhaha truuuue

[@Pr0digyZRX]

But the "just chatting" is a catch all basically... not that I'm arguing... just funny that a lot of the just chatting section isn't even just chatting streams lol

[@Alex-hj5el]

Add Slots, ASMR, Music and Arts to that, twitch chat is just dumb af.

[@gorilla5509]

Thank you!

[@thesage5961]

Facts

[@theuberdork]

Me for nearly a decade now: not everything needs a fucking BR.

[@j-s-m]

As i do play BRs ,mostly Apex, i don't think a new BRs is the future of gaming. Idk how people have this narrative that BRs are the key to success, it's become popular because there's only a handful of Brs and the concept is relatively new to the gaming world. But there's not much that can be done with them at this point. It's just continously the same, i love apex but can't play it constantly. Idk how people do it.

[@spidercrafter3088]

Gta6 needs a battle royal man

[@geilertobi231]

Let's be honest. We all know very well why BRs are here in the first place. Just the answer to late capitalism infecting the gaming industry. Innovation? Genuinity? Creativity? did you say something else than PROFIT? ahh well then we out. lol (It is even funnier when you look at the history of epic games and fortnite, since it started out as something REALLY UNIQUE and then ended up copying the formula that was now working for games like H1Z1 or Pub). I rest my case.

[@Kuru20134]

I agree, it’s annoying at this point even forza have BR mode

[@blodhgarm7854]

Br = trash 🤢🤮🥶

[@Slacksign]

I love how the chat are trying to argue with the actman, "what about youtube gaming?" "Thats not relevant at all". Mean while summit is just enjoying the video eating fries. Like this chat is so infuriating holy shit.

[@conot4006]

Act Man: "Halo 5 was for competitive players leaving casual fans in the dust." Summit (Competitive Player) - "What?? I don't know man. I loved Halo 5." I don't think Summit even realized the irony in his statement.

[@toshido_yamada]

Lol

[@chubbi710]

competitive refers to people who compete, summit doesnt compete in halo he just plays casually.

[@Tooamazin]

@@chubbi710 It used to just mean to compete in tournaments/leagues etc. Now it's used more as a term meaning to play at a high level, or in certain games that have ranked queues it just means to play ranked.

[@chubbi710]

@@Tooamazin which summit doesnt do in halo…

[@Tooamazin]

@@chubbi710 He doesn't play at a high level?

[@LifelessTooth]

"Halo 5 catered toward faster movement to appeal to esports tournaments and pro players, leaving the casual player community in the dust" Pro player: "What? Duuuude I love Halo 5 man. I'd rather play Halo 5 on PC than Infinite." Case in point.

[@MV-ri7zu]

Just like every shooter should be.

[@Goku138]

Yeah, Halo was great in the past but the old style is too slow and not as impactful as new other fps. So Halo 5 was a great direction. Loved it.

[@ananon5771]

@@Goku138 but it sacrificed what halo is,if i want a fast arena shooter,id play unreal or quake.

[@artisam9484]

@@Goku138 Halo 5 would have been fine if it didn't have Halo in the title. Shit wasn't halo

[@vermin9190]

@@Goku138 and thats why halo 5 failed. if you want fast pase movement go play cod or titafall or any other game thats designed that way. leave my halo out of it. its in fps genre, not every fps has to be fast paced.

[@dreamking893]

Summit got it right, Halo has always been about going out and getting a few frags and pulling off a move to help the team. A Halo BR would consist of these streamers getting sniped or 4 shot by a BR 30 seconds into the game. Especially by pros who've been around since the old days.

[@ratlosmappy]

What would feel awful is the weapon balance, the sandbox of halo does not suit a br. CoD could make the switch because the guns are uninspired, every weapon does more or less the same thing, shoot bullet to kill, while halo weapons are suited to many different roles, shield depleters, melee heavy hitters, vehicle busters, fuckin mini guns and rocket launchers on a warthog. And lets be honest, og halo players would wipe the floor with streamers, making them scream for weapon changes, it would just change too much for the sake of a br, and its not worth it.

[@lebronjames1472]

Holy shit he really pissed off the twitch nerds

[@CerealWIthIce]

L

[@Hords]

Most top streamers just cares about the amount of views they have. If RPG games suddenly started making so they had over 200K viewers at any time every time they streamed they would be saying the exact same thing. Just a lot of streamers trying to force a game mode into videos games they want to play just so they can keep their core audience that makes them relevant.

[@barsk1]

True and almost no big streamers have played for example csgo in years and yet the game still has pretty much the most players every month in steam beating those exact games too at the times when these streamers are playing them be it apex or pubg for example. Twitch has never determined if a game has long time or a lot of players daily. Sure it brings a lot of players to the game, but never even half of any total viewer counts are playing consistently and they are there to backseat or to watch the streamer.

[@The28studio]

You have real-world example actaully, didn't everybody played Among US? Falll guys? Phasmophobia?

[@geilertobi231]

Agreed, those streamers would try to shell their audience shit if they could make a profit with it. And they would not even mind having to play with it themselves. the W in Integrity stands for "we" lol

[@senrign]

These fools are just begging for a halo BR to keep their views up because deep down they hate warzone and wants to play some new BR :D

[@rickyredbeard8274]

You can tell half his chat are coming from the streamers act man is discussing considering how upset they got, unjustifiably.

[@denzel_thegreat1681]

They was trashing doc who is summit rival so u can't call them his viewers and tim and doc have the same viewers and doc made zlander

[@TOBI.SARU.]

I dont understand why everyone was spamming Pepega take when he compared the Twitch viewership of a game to KZbin. There are games on Twitch that get very little viewership yet they are very popular on KZbin and in the community of that game.

[@dwiggzmasterflex]

facebook gaming seems to have weird niche communities too for some reason.

[@johnnyjaee1417]

Because for some reason twitch users seem to think that nothing matters outside of their preferred platform

[@geilertobi231]

@@johnnyjaee1417 And also...you know...most of em are kids. What else can you expect?

[@joshwhitlock9399]

You can't compare twitch numbers to youtube numbers. Gaming is a subsection of youtube and Gaming is more than half of twitch.

[@TOBI.SARU.]

@@joshwhitlock9399 Im not compairing. But Twitch views dont equal the popularity of a game.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

"The outside the box thinking" when talking about wanting another BR. Jesus LUL

[@Yungbeck]

Summit needs to eat his fries outside the box jesus christ

[@F34RDSoldier805]

@@Yungbeck I quoted Doc...

[@beamertoy]

You say that now like it's not thinking outside the box, but you forget when it did explode it was definitely something different.

[@Undecided_]

@@beamertoy hunger games was the most popular minecraft mode and people were going insane for PUBG. But I do agree with doc, we don’t want another Warzone 2, but an actually revolutionary BR that’s not a carbon copy of pubg. Would be sick to have the same mechanics, the cars, the world of halo, but BR. But besides that, halo doesn’t need a BR, but BR needs halo, because I see zero innovation coming. Warzone literally gets a new map and that’s it

[@leetlc441]

@@beamertoy thinking outside the box is NOT doing what everyone else is doing. Halo CE was outside the box when it released too. So no, thinking of a Battle Royal for Halo infinite would NOT be thinking outside the box.

[@KonoGufo]

Chat being MAD desperate for validation here holy shit. Every time they're left to react on their own they're pre-emptively trying to ridicule Act Man for criticizing streamers because they want to look good for Summit, but as soon as Summit starts agreeing with the video they do a 180 and start echoing everything he says lmao

[@memelord7643]

Tbh i dont hate cod or halo or any fps ive played them like everyone else and the only fps like games will continue playingare doom wolfenstein and even though fallout has a third person perspective it still counts tbh i find the modern cod games battle royal games boring cause i veiw them as the same thing but witch each game v Have ing there own diffrent mechanics

[@markloroff]

Saying a game will die without BR is the equivalent of saying single player games are going to die back when multiplayer started getting big around COD 4

[@TrizollinTehWorld]

Yeah I remember years ago when a publisher (I think it was EA?) said that people don't care about single player games anymore lol I was like wtf!?? Most of the greatest games of all time have been single player games, there's no way you should even make that statement with a straight face.

[@izrael820]

@@TrizollinTehWorld 😂RD2 smacked him that publisher in the face and said hold my nuts. Evey single nomination for game of the year has always been a single player game

[@kryhigh9302]

Wearing an overwatch shirt when talking about games dying lmao

[@MoreSummit1g]

😂😂 OW 2 soon right? COPIUM

[@geilertobi231]

@@revolverswitch Like all Blizzard Games ever since SC2, they just know how to do it.

[@Equalsundew]

@@MoreSummit1g really acted like you did something there.

[@jebaited9612]

@@Equalsundew cope

[@user-fn5xg7qt7u]

@@Equalsundew cope

[@Heroickittens]

Doc and other twitch streamers ideally want people to not play games and instead watch them.

[@denzel_thegreat1681]

All those guys was youtube and Facebook except a few guys from Twitter

[@goldenbojack619]

Chat spamming “bad take” and “?????” Is pretty funny and sad that they can’t get what he’s saying.

[@dereenaldoambun9158]

Can't expect anything smarter from a hivemind that's Twitch chat.

[@JonStark117]

*Act Man does a wonderful job of impersonating just how out of touch with reality these “streamers” are.🤣🤦🏼‍♂️*

[@Red1676]

They are afraid of losing money like all twitch streamers on. Like remember the one person freak out because no one was giving her money. Really, that's all it's about.

[@dankboyq4050]

Infinite died months ago, if going off the results, act man proved to be out of touch

[@Spinnight]

@@dankboyq4050 Well yeah, they botched the release and have a system that’s very hard to add new content to. Perhaps he was a bit naive to think 343 wouldn’t mess something up but I don’t think anyone could’ve predicted just how terribly it would be at launch

[@MissDemonicTV]

I liked "the say the line bart." part It reminds me of the people who only want too watch summit, or any streamer, to play a specific game only. i.e. GtaRP. I, for one, genuinely enjoy when the streamer i watch enjoys the game they play regardless of what it is.

[@ennex_3]

Thats why i watch summit and xqc. They just enjoy playing games and they dont let their fanbase dictate what they play.

[@reapergaming380]

True hoping on and seeing summit on a whole new game every few days or weeks is great. Really refreshing.

[@leetlc441]

I sorta am the same, but some games really are boring to watch. I could not stand GTArp. But ultimately I'm not gonna be mad or spam "play something else". I just watch something else

[@OGJohnMarston]

Doc would play Far Cry 3 and be like, "Its good, but all im thinking is Rook island would be great for a battle royale"

[@neoxperson7858]

Minesweeper. "all I can think about battle royale. Like there could be a mine right behind that tile there."

[@suhasop4919]

Killing Vaas would get you high tier loot for you and your squad

[@MisterAnonymous1000]

He fucking played Resident Evil 8, and couldn't stop thinking about a battle royale.

[@OGJohnMarston]

@@MisterAnonymous1000 are you for real?

[@thing4826]

Them: multiplayer games without BR will die! RDR2: well yes but the singleplayer is still kicking. CS:GO: I think they mixed up the order guys. TF2: am I dead yet?

[@Kuru20134]

RDO sucks tho and it’s a shame cuz it had potential to good

[@beeboh8095]

@@Kuru20134 True. Personally, I think locking most items behind gold bars and basically shoveling microtransactions down your throat as soon as you click online and giving you a microscopic amount of gold after completing quest/missions when you've grinded for hours is a MAJOR game killer. That being said, I've has some damn good times playing with friends in RDO.

[@kiwi3085]

@@Kuru20134 The game really needs alternative roles/career paths like a dedicated fishing role or horse rustling or racing. That and continuing the story with cinematic quests, the Moonshiner storyline was awesome but it really cut short.

[@adarkwind4712]

@@kiwi3085 I’ve told my friends that the one job that would be perfect for that game is horse rustling. It makes no sense that that’s not a job.

[@kiwi3085]

@@adarkwind4712 I mean not only is it in the single player, the rustlers from the single player are like your first RDO quest! They even tell you that if you "find" horses you can sell them there, but the game just never brings them up again? Real head scratcher.

[@allhailkalejr8351]

The fact destiny 2 is still a succeeding game shows you don’t need a br

[@darksuntoggafhd9947]

And the main appeal of that game is PvE as well. Games need variety. Not everything needs to follow the hottest trends.

[@EmperorDxD]

Destiny I'd actually the most successful shooters I think it got that title last month

[@CheeseOfMasters]

@@darksuntoggafhd9947 Exactly, all I need in Halo is a campaign, firefight and split-screen... oh wait.

[@SportySpice2004]

@@EmperorDxD no it’s not it’s numbers are inflated because the fake free to play added on the game dips 20% of its players after 3 weeks of a season

[@EmperorDxD]

@@SportySpice2004 nope it's not and how do you know these things are you working at Bungie or something

[@SkyJW15]

I find the conversation about competitive shooters and competitive Halo to be rather interesting. Because, as someone who has been a giant Halo fan since the first game came out and has regularly played the games ever since, the competitive scene of Halo seems to have very little sway or impact on the fan base. Sure, Halo 2 and Halo 3 had some notable competitive scenes with standout players like Ogre 1 and Ogre 2, Walshy, Snipedown, etc., but ever since then the series has really failed to maintain a competitive scene. And even during that relative heyday for Halo competitive play, it always felt more like it's side thing rather than a driving force within the community and the series itself. It was like an evolution of the existing pro scenes for games like Quake and Unreal Tournament which shared that arena style combat. And ever since Halo 3 the pro scene has seemed increasingly irrelevant and even forced. 343i tried really hard to make Halo 5 a competitive centric shooter with specific game modes and gameplay catered towards that style of play, but even in the first couple years after launch that scene was, to be perfectly honest, kind of pathetic. Viewership wasn't great and it never came even remotely close to having the kind of enduring competitive scene that CS:GO had and continues to has. Hell, I've heard substantially more about Rainbow Six: Siege's competitive scene than I have about Halo's in the last several years and I have never played Siege, nor do I participate in its community in any way. And friends of mine I played Halo 3 with for hundreds and hundreds of hours throughout middle school are very excited for Infinite and they have never given a shit for Halo competitive play, nor will they. The real appeal of Halo (aside from the campaign) has never been the competitive community, it's been the sandbox and the things you could create in the game, especially with the introduction of Forge and Theater mode. I have always seen way more attention given to cool Forge creations, Machinima, and inventive custom games than I ever saw with the attempts at cultivating a competitive scene. I guarantee you far more people are familiar with Red vs. Blue than they are with any Halo pro player and cool projects like that helped build a lasting legacy and reputation for the series that other games like CoD or Battlefield never really possesed. It made Halo more unique and gave it a certain character and personality that cultivated a really passionate fanbase and community that greatly exceeded whatever Halo competitive community still exists.

[@RaiuShinohana]

You've absolutely nailed it. 100% this is the appeal to Halo and what made it popular. Halo Tricks, Hidden Masters, game physics interactions causing seemingly random kills, and custom game modes/maps easily accessible to the rest of the playerbase is the entire reason Halo popularity soared. NOT the esports scene. Well put, sir.

[@wisdumcube]

In some ways, the Halo series occupies the same space as Minecraft: the scene is sustained by the creative output of its community. Before Forge completely let the fanbase's imaginations run wild in Halo 3 and beyond, players were taking advantage of absurd and hilarious glitches in Halo CE and Halo 2 and uploading videos of them online, even before youtube. Red vs. Blue wasn't the first Machinima, but it was the first breakout success in the medium partially because of Halo's impressive level design (at the time) that allowed a stage for the creators (Rooster Teeth) to tell stories in large, detailed, diverse environments. What Halo has going for it is that it was and is a versatile sandbox to exploit. People forget that competition is not the only way to keep a franchise relevant.

[@OutcastFoxx]

Chat really is PUMPING out those dog shit takes lmfao

[@modernlionsfan564]

If I could’ve watched people play different custom Halo 3 games on twitch all day, I would’ve. Those custom sandbox game modes kept me so engaged every day after school.

[@handemorebattlelands4009]

YES. Gaming community is not ready at all for forge mode. Watch them discover it in infinite and be all like Shaq O'neil thanos lol

[@xddBunnings]

Lost some braincells reading his chat, legit this is why viewers on Twitch is part of the problem and Act Man had his point proven in real-time. Astounding.

[@Surokis]

Streamer narcissism is at the all time high.

[@geilertobi231]

Trust me brother...it's not only the streamers...

[@raephkoch7046]

Act man is awesome his insight into games are on point. Started watching him three months ago

[@gannonruby1119]

Good decision

[@rev0568]

Honestly though. I started watching a few weeks after his response to WW2 fanboys

[@tehMothMan]

Expect for his New World review...

[@ennex_3]

Anyone else hate pretty much all battle royales? Warzone is ok but i just dont get the appeal of spending 20+ minutes in a game when only 2 or so of those minutes is spent fighting people.

[@ixzaluoh8997]

I loot and die even in apex I play arenas unless my friends want to carry me in br

[@singularleaf3895]

@@ixzaluoh8997 exactly I left Apex and only came back for arena, ya I play some br here and there but it's more to just mix it up.

[@jaredharvey4927]

Shit you think that's crazy, you should try playing an extraction looter shooter like Escape from Tarkov. You can spend an hour just trying to build your gun and loadout. Then die in just a few seconds at the spawn and lose 500K which could of took you a few hours accumulating from the last few raids. Oh and btw there's no replay and who knows where the guy shot you from or if he was hacking.

[@beeboh8095]

True, played H1 throughout its life span but quit toward the end, (and other BR's) got really tired of running around and looting then getting completely wrecked by a TTV kid that plays for 16 hours a day. BR's aren't for everyone I guess.

[@AB-or1uz]

It's probably the adrenaline of "fighting for your life" in BR's that makes it tense and attractive to certain players. In arena shooters you don't really get that experience since death is inconsequential and quick most of the time (compared to BR's). That being said, Halo could have BR when forge eventually gets released.

[@RealChanges]

Seeing Arby & Chief made me tear up a bit. That was my favorite series growing up.

[@X11-m3h]

Gotta agree with you, he’s still making content though if you look it up and lots and of people don’t know about it.

[@Davideo523]

Man, Summit talked over so many of Act Mans key points, it was infuriating.

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

Just watch the original then

[@BerryFunChannel1]

@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 the title has "reacts" in it... meaning the point of this video, the selling point is watching his reaction... so if he's not even paying attention then we cant see his reaction or his response to what Act Man was talking about, nobody came here for the original. (in fairness he never claimed a good reason...) xd

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

@@BerryFunChannel1 can you tell that to OP aka the person I replied to

[@BerryFunChannel1]

​@@heistingcrusader_ad3223 oh, was there a person you replied to and not the main post? all I see is you and "thevideo" guy XD

[@Moogle]

crazy how literal the chat takes everything

[@Blockistium]

shocking stupidity, honestly

[@darkstar8196]

Critical thinking is lacking

[@darksuntoggafhd9947]

Twitch chat proves yet again that most people don't deserve to have their voices heard

[@prxviab]

favourite part of this video is Act Man literally explaining the differences between Twitch and KZbin viewership, and then Twitch chat gets defensive and proves is point in real time, crazy LMAOOO

[@racingbeats1493]

Imagine being over 14 and actually typing in a twitch chat. These people seem to be 20 IQ

[@Owen-ey2gh]

9:09 Reconnaissance is the only sensible guy in the entire chat

[@DanielHernandez-jf1sm]

The people who were pissed in chat proved his point especially about Halo 5

[@MrXmoda]

Thanks for this. It’s time gamers can take us back to a gaming realm that’s not all battle royale

[@somebody7205]

Damn that chat is more split between "no no he's got a point" to "omg we mistaked lupu uwu he's opinion doesn't matter" The Halo community is less split than that

[@kijola]

So its April 1st of 2022. Approximately 5 months after launch of Halo Infinite. Average players on for Halo Infinite on steam is 6k users from 100k in November of 2021. Kinda seems like the streamers were right.

[@haarisbutt2075]

You have small head because his point flew over it

[@fastestfail2645]

I love how the chat is so mad the act man is taking about they're fav streamers. Even tho he's not really talking bad about them.

[@Joutube_is_trash]

Thinking BR is the evolution of halo when it directly does the opposite of what comp halo strives for is just silly.

[@F34RDSoldier805]

29:55 biggest example of this. Epic killed Paragon because they wanted to allocate the games dev's to Fortnite. If Halo put in a BR and a ton of new players came in, they would 100% allocate resources from Halo multiplayer to BR. The difference would be that BR wouldn't last long on Halo and since they pushed away their dedicated fanbase, the game would die.

[@Joutube_is_trash]

They completely shelfed an unreal tournament project to develop that cancer too.

[@craig2353]

@@Joutube_is_trash Not to mention Epic completely abandoning Fortnite's original Save the World mode in favor of the BR mode.

[@dylanleblanc9643]

Just look at call of duty… warzone might kill CDL

[@-geefius-5353]

Destiny 2 is one of the top 5 most played games on steam. It has like 10k viewers outside of season/expansion/event launches (not a lot for its size).

[@sexygorillanips7535]

I like how non devolpers, prolly 16yr old kids say halo will die without BR. Like they know whats best for the game

[@xUseTheForks]

@@jamiem2494 who cares about the streaming space, it doesn't mean shit, most people don't even watch streams most people just play the games lol

[@_Josper_]

@@jamiem2494 Streaming isn't the center of gaming.

[@sexygorillanips7535]

@@jamiem2494 You are incredibly naive, Maybe you should think before you speak. It got a lot of hate because of the requisition packs, People thought it was going to be a way to exploit for loot boxes. But ultimately that's not what happened, The reason why the hate was so bad was because of the trailer showing master chief Going rogue. But when you play the campaign It was a mess, Facing the same enemy throughout every level, The campaign wasn't up the par for regular Halo game. No one hated the online multiplayer, They tried something different and look what it did to their franchise. It's because long time Halo fans love their game and they don't like changes to it. So what if they implemented battle royale and it ruined Halo?

[@IXSevXI]

Always been a Halo fan but probably not for the same reasons as most. I was and still am in love with the original Halo campaigns and can't wait for this campaign. Never really been a big fan of BR's though.

[@PositiviteaTheFirst]

Same, was always mostly a campaign and forge player

[@GrYpH812]

Thats why I love cdn so much. He plays wtf ever he feels like playing! Sum does the same really. More streamers should be variety!

[@ZeroCalamityYT]

excuse my ignorance, but who is cdn?

[@joshwhitlock9399]

@@ZeroCalamityYT CDNThe3rd

[@dingostar2620]

WARNING: Do not read chat on the right while watching video, your IQ will drop to low digits.

[@janmbro8812]

i paused the vid to look at chat now my head hurts so bad

[@AznSlickSlaya]

Good to see Summit agreeing with both sides. A fair viewpoint.

[@sigmundfreud7903]

To anyone who says an FPS will die without a battle royale, you’re overlooking tf2

[@yeetwchybaban]

well

[@ratlosmappy]

@@yeetwchybaban tf2 is really big on youtube, which proves actman right. watch a video or two on tf2 and youll see how much content it’ll recommend you, i was surprised.

[@AkaTipla]

I once saw someone talk about how if halo had a br, it’d be cool to be an ODST marine dropping into the map from drop pods. As a ODST character you wouldn’t be as beefy as a Spartan and the armor designs could really be unique if 343 was to create cool designs for it. that idea was pretty cool to me but I also don’t know how they’d balance weapons so would it even work? Halo has really been about precision weapons when it all comes down to it so a br would fall to about 4 different weapon combinations and no variety depending on balance. If streamers expect the arena multiplayer to be dead on arrival, what’s the difference when it comes to a br besides having a squad of 4?

[@r0skiii]

Hitch’s take was beyond cooked mans is taking L after L take on the TL

[@Providence..]

@Jimmy Hollywood Zoomers have adapted English into their own language now.

[@Crazy-pl1lo]

all im saying is...... THE ACT MAN DON'T MISS BABY

[@upper4921]

@@jamiem2494 bro people make mistakes in saying stuff all the time and has corrected it in the comments get over yourself

[@illupo300]

@@jamiem2494 name some

[@jokestofblokes]

Damn I had to watch this twice to focus on both Summit1g's take and then the god awful chat and I only have 1 major thing and 1 minor. First the minor Summit's response on the Halo 5 comment Act Man just really flew right over his head I guess, Act Man clearly stated " Halo 5 was more accustomed to competitive players" and him hoping Infinite would be just like it is well his opinion I really can't say nothing on that, to each is own. Secondly the major thing I took away from this was that chat. My god the chat is either filled with a bunch of trolls or really are so ignorant that they choose to unconsciously take shitty take after take. They see one small glance of the video Act Man has made and just bash this man's whole channel based on getting not even half of his statements out yet. I can also tell most of them are super biased on BRs as a whole and games such as COD, multiple comments constantly disrespecting the entirety of the Halo franchise and consistently pointing out how he's a "Super Fanboy" towards Halo in general, so you automatically get them not even paying full or any bit of attention to the message as a whole just as when he stated he wanted a BR as well inside Halo Infinite they completely just missed the whole argument in the video as a whole with them saying over and over "this guy always has terrible takes" or "then what was the point this video besides to chase clout". I'm not bashing them with this final sentence but I can tell most of them are trend hoppers with simply implying in the chat "MP games should ship out with BR at this point as so its a necessity for MP games" when BRs have only been popular for like 4-5yrs and is a dying genre, and lastly the whole point they missed with the KZbin is King comment Act Man made saying that "gaming isn't the only thing on KZbin this guys a complete idiot" my reply with that is well Just Chatting does exist on Twitch too so gaming isn't also the ain't pull. In summary I think Act Man made great points in this video and the audience Summit has (and most of these other streamers audience's) won't see it because they let a whole other person/influencer shape they're opinion and they only combat common sense ant good points with negative and toxic responses like children.

[@sirfishe9949]

Halo blew up the world without BR. It doesnt need it. If it werent for halo, we wouldnt have gotten games like fornite. Overwatch or battlefield. Halo made shooters popular online. It really started the popularity. These kids dont know what theyre talking about

[@aztaclalz]

Those CoD-Clowns (Although they can absolutely be entertaining at times) do this with every game. I am a Battlefield-fanboy and while 2042 looks, err, different...let's say. All they said during trailers or while playing during beta was "Hey guys...Fucking BR amarite?". It never stops. Everything should apparently be a BR. Dr. Disrespects mother-in-law passes and he walks up to the priest before the sermon and says "Y'know what this funeral is missing..."

[@Providence..]

That last sentence had me dying 😂🤣

[@kairos99]

As a halo fan I never want to see a br in halo I agree if it is in forge mode go play that fine but we all played halo as a kid at 3am listening to the awesome music smashing grunts with warthogs punching our friends just to get that shotgun he had or the sniper:) the multiplayer to me has always been perfect the way it has been I would have so much fun with my friends just ruining and gunning and not caring about kd or my br wins we just had plan old fun. I don’t think halo should ever have to change to become more popular it already has its name in the books as one of the best I play halos to get that same feeling I would as a kid turning on the game and if br is added even if I don’t play it I would still know it was there and that to me would take a some of the connection I did as a kid away from a game I love so much we already have enough br games I just want halo the real halo.

[@raephkoch7046]

Nostalgia !!

[@k-ron7403]

Gotta admit I love seeing Doc back on Summit channel even if it is via a third party

[@Killboyy-kx2bo]

Summit isn't wrong. All these comments and perspectives apply more to streams and viewers for streams, not global player base. You can't predict the full extent of how a game will go before release. And even more so what the average player base will be after the initial fascination for new things runs out. I definitely believe there is some sway for players via streams, especially twitch. But as Act Man said, that doesn't quantify the games true popularity. You can only wait and see the stats after a month and see where it is at. With a brand like Halo, there can always be a comeback with some changes if necessary.

[@Saiyamanmc]

the chat has a collective of 5 braincells being shared among that mass of people

[@Lu-bc3pl]

act man was the first to put it into words and everything in this video only strengthens his point. it’s honestly satisfying

[@natsukow1322]

my man summit still eating mcdonalds even though he is so successful in life. never change.

[@Yungbeck]

I could never give ol McDs up

[@MV-ri7zu]

Its absolutely fkin mind blowing to me that eating and supporting trash food as a millionaire is respectable😂

[@spidercrafter3088]

His body lol

[@TrizollinTehWorld]

@@MV-ri7zu yeah wtf? I stopped eating fast food years ago and putting trash in your body isn't something to be praised for regardless of how well off you are.

[@nakdu3936]

8:19 Act man pointed out monthly average users. 2 billion vs 140 million. Twitch chat said, "80 percent of youtube isn't even gaming though" 20 percent of 2 billion is still 400 million...

[@islapfools3282]

“Outside of the box thinking” proceeds to show every cookie cutter copy pasted battle royale game from the last few years.

[@hiimfrank3336]

Seeing summits chat legit played into the Act Mans points. Jesus Christ.

[@dwiggzmasterflex]

Imagine in 2021, thinking, "you know what the game industry needs, another Battle Royale"

[@AneirinRPG]

The most needed thing in halo is that it feels like halo the last few installments have done damage to the rep and i hear it a lot people want classic halo not a battle royal

[@ronnoc9329]

Well halo infinite has sprint, slide, clamber, thrust, grapple and the list goes on so if you're thinking this is going to resemble a classic halo game you're delusional

[@AneirinRPG]

@@ronnoc9329 oh no that's all good but I meant even with all that it still feels like classic halo

[@ronnoc9329]

@@AneirinRPG in what way lol ?

[@TheHeroicBlockhead]

@@AneirinRPG He just wants the original trilogy to be released again.

[@CrookGX]

I feel like every reactor to The Act Man's video just conveniently talks over it any time AM is taking them to school. Wish they'd just admit that insecurity is what has them so shook.

[@rararahmen8164]

Its like your conveniently sick everytime you have to go to a public field trip

[@HexJK]

I think i've commented this on like every video covering this topic, but this is one of the core reasons a BR cannot happen on launch: BRs cost time and money, and that time and money would be taken from other parts of the game. A BR would quite literally result in content cuts in the multiplayer and/or campaign. That is simply how games work, they have a budget they can't overspend, and a deadline that has to be met. Many might not know this, but Halo 3 actually made some content cuts to work on forge, 6 months before release. It's not a matter of "just don't play the BR mode", because that BR mode will be at the expense of the content we actually want and expect. Post-launch is better time to ask for a BR, because then we'll all have the uncut content we've been asking for.

[@SUSsykage]

how dare you read and then speak the exact thoughts that went through my head when i thought about how 343i would make a BR ...

[@wowitsruss]

I'm so over BR games. I like a variety in my fps games. Overwatch, warzone, cod search n destroy, etc.. I don't want every game to be a BR

[@ixzaluoh8997]

The only reason I play apex is arenas

[@xUseTheForks]

@@ixzaluoh8997 same

[@ArkayeCh]

I can't get over how anxious they all sound while trying to pitch a Halo BR on their streams. They talk as if they're on a sinking ship if BR doesn't get mentioned.

[@WhatUpImJosh]

It's funny cuz Doc said right after that clip that he's talking as a streamer lol

[@iamvulgar8188]

"Comparison is the thief of joy." that broke my mind for a second there.

[@KaleJester]

I don't think Halo needs a BR but if it had a battlefield style map 64x64 player, capture the point with all of its vehicle and weapon line up and fast respawn god daymmm that'd be fun!

[@xUseTheForks]

Yer I actually agree with that, they should do a bigger version of big team battle

[@beeboh8095]

Agree. A Halo game mode as big as that could literally be a game changer. It could possibly bring a ton of players over to Halo. Just like the first time I played MW 32x32 Ground War, I couldn't stop thinking that this is the battlefield Dice should have made. It brought me back to COD. (Couldn't care less about COD since ghost)

[@GokuBlackRose978]

Yeah I’m scared if they do a br, but if they do it right then he’ll yeah I’m gonna have fun.

[@huskycruxes7232]

With the cod warzone playerbase split you got it right on the money summit. For multiplayer regulars they treat warzone as just a separate game mode, BR players and streamers see warzone as its own game

[@echo5827]

"KZbin isn't just gaming tho" -guy on twitch

[@persinitrix]

heres the thing many people dont understand when considering a Halo BR. The halo sandbox doesn't lend itself to to that style of gameplay. Halo is a CQC environment. Wazone, fortnite, apex, and pubg have a relatively massive amount of weapons that while may not be effective at long range can still do damage at long range. Halo doesn't; you are limited to a minute number of weapons that could open an engagement at those ranges.

[@COALEDasICE]

If be willing to bet zlaner didn’t even played halo 2 or 3. He has no ground to talk about the franchise at all.

[@ganondorf66]

Yeah he was talking about camo's

[@xUseTheForks]

@@jamiem2494 MCC doesn't count, he means the original versions of halo 2 and h3 back in the day

[@schit4brainz]

He's 21 so... and bro did you edit your comment and still get the grammar wrong?

[@Crazy-pl1lo]

Half the time summit doesn't even watch the video

[@rockha6070]

so we all just going to let slide the way summit eats his fries 🤣 never seen someone eat fries out of the box like that

[@azure_paladin4706]

Oh....well then excuse me for a second to go reflect for a bit cause that's how I eat my fries as well.

[@miickydeath12]

i mean if i eat fries with ketchup i take them out of the box and put them on like a paper plate

[@SUSsykage]

wait ... so you're telling me it's not normal to drink your fries like it's melted ice cream in a cup? i...i-i think i need to reflect on my last 10 years of life...

[@vaughngx4]

'I mean do we play the campaign champs?' Well, I never had internet when I had my 360.

[@DOMUSMAXIMUS]

I'd like to see more pvpve looting style fps games like Tarkov. I know battlefield 2042 has Hazard zone so hopefully that is good. I want a new Skate more than anything.

[@NoGuLt]

The TTK and floaty jumping I don't know how you add BR. The vehicles are weird and there ain't no inventory. You'd have to change Halo a lot till it won't be the same game.

[@iSuckAtGamesGG]

congratulations for adding 5 of commentary to a 26 minute video, listening to you laugh like a hyena while talking with ur mouth full was pretty insightful

[@tomcruise0901]

The amount of people in chat saying “yeah but not all 2 billion people are watching gaming content” just missing the entire point

[@Kaiziak]

Summit's chat is immature af. Yeah dwell on the fact that he thinks that guy is Lupo rather than what he's actually saying. Twitch is literally the 12-13-14 yr old community dd was talking about.

[@JesseWhiteman117]

Twitch chat has proven again that people post without thinking at all.

[@DevynTheDude14]

Are people tired of BR? Yes. Are streamers? No

[@PistolShrimpPimp]

7:05 The shelf life of games lol The funniest thing about that was before we'd sell complete games but now it's all about adding more and more and more... mostly to games that are sold as incomplete for 5-10 years of "alpha" or "beta" development. Battle Royale didn't suddenly add playability to games. Mods and DEDICATED SERVERS did that. There's a reason why Modern Warfare 4 still has players in it to this day, and Half Life, and Half Life 2. I'll tell you, it's not because of a BR.