Cr1tikal Reacts To Why Did Google Stadia Fail?! By Act Man | Moist reacts

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[@LukasJampen]

The worst thing about Stadia was the buisness model. You pay a monthly fee like a subscription service but you don't get access to the whole library like netflix, no you need to pay seperately for games you can't download and if the service shuts down or the servers are down you don't have access to any of the games you bought. If steam is down I can still play most games in offline mode as long as I have them installed, except for the always online games but that is on every platform a problem.

[@chancethornton6321]

The input lag was significant

[@pochi1491]

thats the thing, people dont seem to get that you dont have to pay anything to stadia to use it. you paid for 4k, and hdr support, 7.1 surround sound support, if you wanted it, along with the monthly free games which ngl were bangers, but i cant chalk it up to it being everyone elses fault for not understanding because its not. stadia was free, you only paid for the games cbut google marketing sucked and never made that clear.

[@QuarterMidgetKing]

​@@pochi1491 yeah you didn't have to pay for 360 era visual quality but you still had to buy games at full price just to get the same level of user access and reliability of a cable network

[@sithisdawnsend2730]

​@@QuarterMidgetKing1080p is 360 era?

[@FriedProfile]

@@sithisdawnsend2730 I'd imagine it would vary heavily based on your internet. For example if you had shoddy internet your visual quality on the stadia is going to get skewed

[@SeanOMatic]

Sega Genesis was hardly a flop. Thing was a major success and put Sega on the map. The Sega CD, 32x and Saturn were the stinkers.

[@moosemusicofficial]

"Sega Genisis wasn't a flop, it's just that most of it was."

[@joshmay2944]

@Moose you ever heard the phrase "Sega does what Nintendon't?" The Genesis and Sonic damn near knocked Nintendo off their throne in the early-mid 90s.

[@cebapplejak5997]

​@@moosemusicofficial you are literally acting like the add ons were the system. Sega was definitely a major player off of the Genesis

[@mintfloss15]

the genesis is what put Sega on the map lmfao . master system, cd, 32x, saturn, and dreamcast were all flops. genesis was literally their only super popular console.

[@moosemusicofficial]

@@joshmay2944 But they didn't and Nintendo is still around.

[@Teruko666]

I had never heard of the Stadia until Google was like "hey, you pay for KZbin. Want a free Stadia?" I got it, played it twice, and it's been sitting in a junk drawer since. I still don't know exactly what they gave me or why

[@chikenbagdotcom9305]

I got that too, don't you remember it came with a nice Chromecast dongle for free? Lol

[@liamrorer9828]

Know what google’s good at? Being a search engine.

[@babbittron]

Not anymore really

[@lizardking2407]

It's only really good at cosplaying as a functional search engine

[@Xvladin]

No, not at all. Google sucks. It puts ads in the top search positions to trick you, censor the results instead of just giving you a genuine answer about what's out there on thr internet, will sometimes learn from your searches and then censor thing specifically to you, anything towards the bottom of page 1 on I'd just nonsense scam websites crammed with keywords. Pretty much anything you search will turn into scam keyword nonsense sites after the first 10 search results. Also it collects data on you and sells it to literally anyone who wants it. All of those things are not parts of a good search engine

[@austinbatton4849]

@@lizardking2407 google was the first and works fine, stop being edgy virgins for the sake of it

[@BlulesBlue]

charlie thinking the genesis was a flop is offensive in another level lol

[@flimflam6807]

It was before his time

[@PokeMario-pk4ot]

He meant the saturn

[@chickenwings6172]

This youtuber he said the sega genesis was the biggest console flops of all time. wow! first of all there was no E3 in 1989 which is well before this gen z kid was born. The genesis dominated nintendo from 1989 to 1991 it also sold over 30 million consoles. Also E3 started in 1995.

[@KiraNightV]

I was a qa tester for games a year ago and I still remember the headache that Stadia caused me. I had to frequently test games on Stadia because our company was hired by the game devs to do qa testing and I was one of the poor unfortunate souls that was assigned the stadia version. I could not tell you if the game was poorly optimised or if stadia is just that awful, but even with an insanely good internet, the result in testing an unfinished game on stadia was the quality would go from 480p to 1080p to 240p and so on, changing every couple frames. It had a sort of strobing effect that would have caused me to have constant seizures if I was epileptic, and not being one I still could only play for an hour tops before I had to rest my eyes. Not only was it torturous to test on stadia but the whole time I was thinking that the work I was putting in was worthless because no one in the world will play this game on the stadia when it's available on literally everything else. and then Stadia shut down and I quit my job

[@irecordwithaphone1856]

The one thing I'll give to Google is I actually like the name Stadia. That's about it Props to whoever came up with the name

[@entertainmentgamer1992]

I disagree i think Cloud Gaming could be great...if it worked. Xbox Cloud Gaming is great mainly on PC bc i had to use it on my low end PC and it was cool being able to play these games on a ass PC without it dying

[@glorbojibbins2485]

Lol 🤷‍♀️

[@dialnh]

@@entertainmentgamer1992 Naw Stadia>Cloud gaming (name wise)

[@theotherjared9824]

2:10 Phil Harrison literally said the whole operation is a sunk cost fallacy. They dumped too much money into Stadia to suddenly back out.

[@chemistry9130]

You were talking about saturn that launched earlier than it was supposed to be and was a failure. Genesis was Sega's best selling console with 30M sales. It thad 800+ games because no one was making games at that time. NES has 900 something games which sold 60M+ units.

[@chickenwings6172]

I agree, i hate when gen Z kids like this youtuber talk about console that came out and ended before they were born. He said the sega genesis was the biggest console flops of all time. wow! first of all there was no E3 in 1989 which is well before this gen z ass was born. The genesis dominated nintendo in 1989 1990 and 1991 it also sold over 30 million consoles. Also E3 started in 1995.

[@Paradox-bh6ss]

Segata sanshiro

[@linked2006]

Genesis also came out in the 80s

[@linked2006]

Genesis also came out in the 80s

[@babbittron]

I had a Saturn. I remember playing virtua fighter a lot but we didn't have it long until we got a playstation. I had genesis too and have many more memories playing it than the saturn

[@elliotcooley2141]

the thing about stadia being "great for people who dont want to wait for games to download" is that it works on the same tech as xbox cloud gaming, where both resolution, ping and input speed all depend on speed of your internet connection anyway so its only decent if you already have good download

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

You're right but it had nothing to do with specifically being based on Xbox tech, the quality of the stream and gameplay was always gonna be dependant on internet quality lol

[@Dato-64]

And I will always buy a hardware depending pc game over a Internet provider depending game. I can buy better pc hardware or fix it within days, but I can’t change my internet connection and fix provider problems.

[@DaClodGamer]

Hearing Charlie confuse the genesis for the flop of the Saturn makes me very angry.

[@eternalwonder6325]

The virtual boy is probably the only thing I could think of that had less games than the stadia, I’m not even gonna check because I’m pretty sure the virtual boy had less than 100 games

[@that_kidjay7911]

At least it led to occulus and more development on virtual reality, it was truly ahead of its time

[@eternalwonder6325]

@@that_kidjay7911 I’m very happy it led to those, lmao Imagine if Nintendo did a virtual boy 2 🤨

[@yt_phasma]

@@eternalwonder6325 Nintendo developing a new VR type system is a very interesting idea. Their main asset is of course their game IPs, so worlds like Zelda, Mario, and Metroid translated into VR could be hype.

[@eternalwonder6325]

@@yt_phasma zelda in acctual vr would be crazy (there’s that labo vs stuff but I don’t count that)

[@LilyoftheLake14]

Yup. It literally only had 20 games total. 15 in the US, 20 if you include Japan only releases lol.

[@AK474000]

The fact NVIDIA GeForce Now offers a similar service similar pricing, but allows you to link a Steam library is the major reason why Google lost Stadia in my opinion.

[@LogicalError007]

Phil Harrison is just unrivaled. PS3 failure, Xbox One failure and now Google stadia. Gamepass approach is the best, as an addition to subscription for games, not a replacement.

[@Thedownliner2015]

One of the biggest failures of Stadia was the games were actually more expensive than Steam, Epic or even the consoles. If you are going to sell something on convenience but jack the price up for that convenience then you need to give people a reason to switch and higher prices just wasn't it. Also we're talking about one of the biggest corporations in the world being stingy on the pricing model! Also at this time we already had other options like GeForce Now which let you play the games you already owned so you didn't have to buy them again.

[@TheAlpha_Romeo]

14:20, to be fair, Stadia had a multi-billion dollar company behind it. Not to mention, that company controls 98% of Americas ads, and could've had a product that sold like wildfire. But nah, that's not the GOOGLE way of doing things; they had to just WING IT.

[@EpicMusic-do4mo]

Die like a real man lol

[@KagatoAsuka]

The fact that Charlie thought MVG was click bait and that the Sega Genisis failed really really hurt.

[@theknightly1]

Sega genesis was a huge hit, it was a super early system competing with Nintendo only. I think you were thinking of the dreamcast

[@PokeMario-pk4ot]

He was thinking of the saturn

[@C_R105]

Rip checkpoint guy. Destiny 2 had a guy that ran like 10 accounts running on Stadia at all points of the day for people to grab checkpoints for raids and dungeons. Only good thing about Stadia

[@XIVCOFFINXIV]

GeForce now cloud that stuff has a place and it’s really good … but Google stadia steaming tech was amazing they wher just charging alot for games most people already played and didn’t have enough 3rd party support

[@cookie_sharkz]

yeah GeForce now lets you play games you own on other services and doesn't force you to buy the games again

[@Etienne_H]

I actually use Shadow PC or Geforce Now. G is cheaper (limited library), Shadow is a full blown PC in the cloud. I never have lags on 30mbps downstream. Sometimes it looks actually native. No artefacts nothing. I recommend this to anyone who always wants the latest hardware but can't afford it physically. This way you pay off a gaming PC every 5-6 years. Which to me makes sense, because I don't want to pay for a new one every 2-3 years to stay up-to-date. Also since I prefer owning a Mac, I don't want to fry my W5700 graphics card for gaming. I want to be easy on my professional hardware for my work. And this way you can take your gaming PC everywhere where there is good connection.

[@neo84401]

I think you got the genesis mixed up with the sega saturn, now that was dead on arrival.

[@peppyrobo7049]

In the UK the ads were fucking EVERYWHERE on KZbin. I kept seeing sidemen and other random british KZbinrs in Stadia videos and it was so annoying and obnoxious.

[@juanjuansen746]

I actually genuinely had a great experience with stadia, I was genuinely upset to see it shutting down. I loved that I could play games on my phone and I never experienced input lag for the games I’d play (mostly mortal kombat and resident evil) it was also super nice of them to refund every single purchase made on it besides the subscriptions when they shut down, I got over 300$ back from that

[@lthefifteenth661]

I remember being on my lunch break and KZbin interrupted me by saying I got a free Stadia pro. Goes to show how desperate they were. Personally, I love the controller itself. I hate that Steam refuses to detect it, even after getting Bluetooth enabled.

[@PSNProperty_Damage]

10:22 was i the only one who for a split second thought that was Asmongold in the Stadia commercial lol

[@chryst4l926]

The Virtual boy had like 18 games all of them being launch titles. Thing even had a connection cable port but the connector cable never came out because it flopped so hard. Only fan made cables exist.

[@Ramxenoc]

I'm amazed how little people know about anything gaming I thought we all knew that stadia was just a controller with a streaming service attached to it

[@TheCamillerr]

KarmineCorp is barelly profitable because even tho we have other teams in France a big part of the community talk about it and feel like it's the Frnace national team for Esport; creating a rally 'round the flag each time they do well

[@Fitxts157]

For d2, at the time there was a huge hacking problem on pc and stadia had a strong anti cheat and also easier players. This caused as super competitive community on stadia. Until d2 got battle eye and everyone returned to pc

[@GeorgeWockington01]

Yet there still is a hacking problem lol

[@WhoLetTheGameOut]

Crazy thing is that the technology is still being invested in and improved upon. Maybe google failed but the tech the companies put in and the RnD in my opinion will be somewhat viable for the consumer in the next few years. I think instead of a company controlling your rendering and emulation, you the consumer will have a chance to buy products that will be used as it’s own local hub and maybe use some third party to streamline all the features to the rest of the devices l

[@dead_head]

It's the inevitable next step in the whole "video games as a service" disaster, it's really just that most of the current infrastructure isn't equipped to handle things like this yet so it came way too soon. You already don't own the physical copy, soon you won't even own the digital copy. You will only be able to play the game if it is being streamed from a DRM secured server to a DRM secured client.

[@TallicaMan1986]

1:37 Cloud Gaming is kind of a beautiful thing. I have Gamepass and an XBOX and I can just play Conan without downloading it or atleast just try a game before I download it. I know it might be harder than it sounds, but how come it wasn't able to install certain parts of the game that are heavy on power? I can't imagine clouding a cutscene would require all that much aside from probably a loading screen. The Cloud gaming on XBOX is mostly fine. I have a few hiccups that are more on my end than anything else, but I also know when the game is pushing its cloud abilities.

[@cowboybeeboopbop]

Anyone else see that poor fool who had multiple thousands of hours on red dead redemption 2 and tweeted to rockstar begging for a character transfer system in the game

[@Xen0xeroX]

Late to the party, but i was a stadia user. The service itself was decent if your connection was good. The controller was optional, but supposedly provided better input latency through Google sorcery, apparently. That said, when they shut it down, they refunded every have you purchased. So, while it was a failed experiment, i do have to actually always the way Google handled it with their customers.

[@boymeetsdrake6438]

they spent more on advertising stadia then making anything else

[@quipsilvervr]

Dude, I only found out that Stadia was a controller, 5mins ago when it was mentioned in this video, and that's 5 months after this video was made.

[@jaybee4]

Sad part is stadia was the only way I could legally play hitman, rdr2, and cyberpunk back when I only had a mac

[@dvdv7777]

Stadia should have offered virtual PCs that I can install my own games on, like what Geforce Now or Shadow do.

[@confusingfool93]

I did do Destiny 2 on it like a month before they announced they were pulling the plug, they fixed most of the input lag but man there was some serious bit rate issues with pixelation and like streaming bugs and I'm running on wifi with 400 mb of upload speed and 500 to 600 mb of download speed (I know it sounds weird but it's a local municipal company for my town and I have fiber idk what they doin but me gusta and it's only 69.99 a month).

[@hihellothere9569]

I actually liked the idea of Stadia. Because of how much storage is limited noe

[@cc3]

The idea is great, its just the execution. Internet speeds are just not good enough for cloud gaming. I had a very strong fiber connection and lived in the same city as one of the stadia servers but it was still noticeably laggy and the visual quality would change. I can't even imagine how unbearable it was for people living in the country.

[@hihellothere9569]

@@cc3 hopefully it either improves and all because the technology is there

[@austinmoe4865]

I got Stadia for free a couple months after its abysmal release, which came with a chromecast, a controller, and a 1 month free trial. I tried playing it on my phone and it was honestly alright. If you got a good internet connection, then it wasn't half bad. The main problem is that though it was good, literally any other common avenue would have been better. Even the switch in handheld outperformed the stadia in every regard.

[@Suteishee]

lol i never heard of stadia until i purchased a backbone last year. Tried to make an account multiple times but it'd always give me some kind of error. Now i see why lol

[@zeromailss]

I think streaming game will be the future but it is definitely not now. Smart for Google to abandon the ship asap instead of sinking with it like Mark and his Meta I think they understand the possibility of the technology but the timing is so off just like how people think that AI is technology of the future that is still far away from everyday use just in reverse

[@Penultimate_]

the saturn was the one that they surprise announced

[@v7453]

Stadia was the "best" cheap way to play cyberpunk on the lunch

[@ogpapabless9777]

I had a Saturn growing up! Guardian hero’s and Bug were the shit

[@RomaineRC]

Oh man, do you guys remember the announcement material where they used... ☝️no, where coined the term "Negative ping" 🤣

[@mirst5069]

When they announced it it reminded me of Ouyo and how it wont make it vibe.

[@bestwitch4414]

Sega Saturn was the one they announced at e3 as a surprise and flopped

[@KachZz]

Im still waiting for Google Glass comeback

[@masterluxu1]

Google just needed a tax write off. These are all losses on the books, at years end. Planned obsolescence.

[@masonslavings2727]

I was so happy when those moronic ads stopped interrupting every video

[@asmodahlia]

The only thing memorable about it for me was Reggie Watts - love that guy

[@fatherman3547]

i completely forgot that stadia was a thing

[@sleezegangsports]

Literally only thing I remember about Stadia was the relentless youtube commercials about it. Didnt even know what it was.

[@Nosplash]

I said it would fail so early, and one of my freind actually defended it to the point where he almost wanted to fist fight over it because I kept telling him it was trash.

[@supersonicgamerguru]

Game streaming won't be a thing until the infrastructure is actually there to make the experience not shit for the average user. The infrastructure won't change unless it literally all gets destroyed and has to be replaced wholesale, and even then it's not guaranteed that it will be up to date technology. If this just simply won't be feasible in any of our lifetimes without a massive shift in business incentives for ISP's.

[@ASo5one]

Watching this right after Game Awards 23 i recognize tha same reasoning with starfield or dare i say the day before: A lot pf people working on it and a lot of recources put into, therefore of course its good and beyond any doubt or criticism.

[@injoniac]

Virtual boy had an extremely small library

[@ABC-bo1kk]

I think the console that had the lowest amount of games was the virtual boy or the Game com from tiger

[@mr.protagonist5639]

You were thinking of the saturn.

[@paranormaltester2036]

Virtual boy had 21 official games.

[@Coast2CoastFlyin]

pretty sure it was the dreamcast, not genesis or saturn that was the death knell for sega's consoles. it had 624 games before it was discontinued, which was too bad because it was actually a great console for it's era, was designed to make pc ports easier to produce, and was the first console to support online gaming, making it a true pioneer. It released in japan at the end of '98, the rest of the world about a year later, which meant it was a contemporary of both the ps and ps2, both of which were largely blown away in terms of innovation and potential. but it was marketed very poorly and supported post launch even more poorly, mostly because Sega lacked the resources to actually promote it properly. EA and another major software developer both declined to support it, but despite not having any access to the catalogues of these major game developers, it still had an enviable list of exclusives: Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, Shenmue, Metropolis Street Racer, Power Stone, Space Channel 5, Virtua Tennis, Seaman, Skies of Arcadia, Soul Calibur, Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Rez, Headhunter, and Chu Chu Rocket. It also had a very large , clunky yet comfortable, functional and very forward-thinking remote, with Microsoft later incorporating the first 2 traits into their controller design for the Xbox. Had Sega not squandered so much time, resources, and public faith on failures like the Saturn, its very likely that the Dreamcast would have propelled them from being perennial runners up in the console game to the ones to beat, at least for a generation. instead, all support and sales for the Dreamcast ended in 2001, little more than a year after global launch. Which means that, in the little over 2 years since it first went on sale in Japan and without access to any titles from 2 of the biggest studios of the era and Sega's finances in decline, the Dreamcast accrued a game library more than triple the size of what multibillion-dollar Google's Stadia amassed over the course of 4 years. Fucking pathetic lol

[@Robert.R.83]

Reggie Watts did the commercial? Nice

[@LavaWizard]

Stadia was one of the reasons I got adblock for YT

[@662mann8]

17:43 yes they do have to pay, they have to pay YOU, if the put ads on your vids and didn’t pay you you would be pissed

[@mwhite3870]

The virtual boy that Nintendo made only had like 15 games in its library

[@Delta6ICU]

Large multi billion dollar companies screw up live service games, so a live service console (or controller) seems like it's on the same level as cold fusion and anti gravity tech. Google might have been onto something if we were in 3020.

[@tgreenieu]

Never heard of the Ouya

[@Azurious]

It's unfortunate the Stadia ads are gone they were so good compared to other boring ads

[@bugweasel]

Learning about the Ouya from this? =O

[@FinkPloydFan]

I was actually a Stadia player for a little bit, but the technology has a long way to go. The input lag was pretty bad, and you would have to pay for a subscription service AND buy games. So yeah, obviously it failed😅

[@MarsOneBeatz]

How is no one mentioning the Sega Dreamcast? The Sega Saturn was sold in the American market from 1995 to 1998 but the Sega Dreamcast was sold in the American market from 1999 to only 2001. The Saturn remained in the Japanese market from 1994 to 2000 whereas the Dreamcast only lasted from 1998 to 2001 in Japan...

[@DanielG03]

I got a free subscription to stadia once, it actually worked fine on my shitty laptop but there were no games that I actually wanted to play. Actually had potential but they did everything wrong.

[@notme5226]

Shadow PC is the only cloud gaming/pc that has any success. And I don’t mean financial success. I have tried it before and after it got bought out and it has been exactly what it advertises. The only thing you can’t expect to use or for is competitive multiplayer

[@notme5226]

Shadow made Stadia look like a beta for the PlayStation 1

[@tomgreen2737]

Until right now I thought it was a console.

[@Johnstring_Hamling]

The ONLY redeeming quality of the stadia is the controller. The controller was pretty nice ngl

[@xxkildarxx]

There were companies that failed before Google for reasons Google never addressed. Silly that threw so much money down that hole without an answer to the existing problem.

[@SwiftViper]

Charlie is always fighting invisible battles, who in their right mind said anthem was good after that beta or that stadia was going to succeed?

[@SaintSavageProd]

I'll be honest I don't even remember Stadia at all. Not any promotion. nothing online at all

[@gavinlarson4520]

I was using geforce now before stadia came out and I enjoyed it so I was kinda looking forward to stadia so it could bring some competition but GeForce now is still better if you don't have a good gaming setup

[@knight4128]

I forgot about this, I hated the add because it was so common and annoying, I thought it might become a small thing but I knew ps and xbox would out rank it

[@unyielding.entertainment]

Stadia wasn't awful, game streaming in general is still in it's infancy so I think it could be something viable down the road but not it still has a very long way to go.

[@mattman3122]

Im mad at google. As someone who has to wear glasses. I demand my smart computer hightec spy glasses.

[@louievazquez5231]

I only had like 2 games for a genesis my dad lend me. Mortal Kombat being one of them. Genesis wasnt a failure. I just wondered why I lived the rest of my life without hearing about sega.

[@purplepikminYT]

i was 100% on the side of "this will never work" like bro... not everyone has good net in 2023.. let alone in 2019...

[@mr.sassycat1522]

Ngl, I didn’t even think Stadia was around for 3 years. I thought it was around for like a year, maybe 2 at most. Also, even when I heard about the Stadia, the concept of it just didn’t seem that interesting to me.

[@Mrgiggles9007]

What the fuck? I only just learned from here this shit wasn't a console.

[@SuperCarsFromTheHood]

Strangle I know the stadia wasn’t a console from the very beginning lol. I figured that out when they said cloud gaming lol.

[@taylormiracle14]

I actually got one for free, some youtube premium bonus or some shit. I did kinda enjoy the console and the open source fun but in general I could've gotten more from a raspberry pi.

[@zeroph3849]

i feel like it could have succeeded if they sold it for dirty f***in cheap still have those triple A gaming experiences. or hell have a renting payment model 10 dollars a game for 7 weeks to pay off the game full and then you own it. as for the system itself google could have taken that loss, sell the console at 50 dollars that way you would have the cheapest console on the market while still retaining the Triple A experience through the renting model.. there was a way to keep stadia alive, the need for google to see instant returns is what killed it. see im old enough to remember how profitable say a blockbuster was before netflix. renting to own sorta like a rent-a-center would have yielded the return just not as fast as google wanted

[@IsaButecos]

It's funny how people defend Charlie's approach to react content, he just do the same shit as everyone else. It's still making money entirely off other peoples' backs

[@Eevee860]

Cloud gaming will always remain worthless because once the service shuts down you ca't play any games, you lose all you paid for, meanwhile normal downloaded ad cartridge/disk games you can still play long after the system loses all funding

[@tylerharris2689]

Glad I never even touched anthem

[@themalcontent100]

The idea of stadia might be... something. However, google is not an innovator. They are a marketing company. The people who get promoted are marketing and sales teams, not engineers and developers. So the marketing team probably heard, "new console" but did not understand what the product was.

[@aoue8519]

The only good thing I saw from stadia was that my lil brother could play destiny 2 on a chrome book that’s about it

[@alexbenton6306]

No it was the Saturn you’re thinking of because that’s the one announced secretly that was DOA

[@smollmoth6376]

Idk why but it feels like companies of all types are more foolhardy and doubling down on shit products for no reason.

[@LilyoftheLake14]

The virtual boy only had like 20 games, not exclusive, 20 Total. Maybe 15 in the US and 20 if you include Japanese only games. It's the worst library of any game console I can think of.

[@opossozoku8005]

I just want the controller