Summoning Insight Episode 19 VOD, with special guest Saintvicious

[@bigbigcarslivecom]

I watched this live on twitch and now I will re watch it. Probably the best episode of Summoning Insight ever

[@Blazeuu1347]

***** We all did, we all did.

[@jimbobwei1]

i hope you didnt watch all of it because that would be a pretty big waste of 8 hours

[@bigbigcarslivecom]

Jimbo Curtin I didnt :)

[@vnif999]

God bless u morgan

[@GoLeafszGo]

Its because saint doesn't know how to argue and hes a fucking idiot

[@junderr]

Great job ongamers for releasing the VODs even before 24 hrs have passed, i have another reason for not going to sleep now

[@F.Castle]

Finally someone who puts Thorin back in its place !! Thank you Saint !!!

[@Bl0wYouAway]

(i need to do this, so i can have timestamps on mobile) 00:14 Intro 03:15 Monte's Locodoco to CLG predictions 04:43 Saint and Crs Academy 07:44 The cult of Toyz and comparisons to Faker 14:00 CLG going to Korea in S2 22:30 Curse in the Summer split 32:24 Coming back to competition for Saint 35:50 More Curse 41:45 Nien 46:53 Choking and CLG 1:03:19 Saint as a leader 1:07:40 IWD, Amazing and NA junglers 1:14:51 Voyboy 1:24:38 Lee Sin 1:31:21 Xpecial vs. BunnyFuFu 1:39:15 Cop 1:41:08 Curse's Top and Jungle compared to other NA duos 1:47:26 Curse vs. CLG 1:57:20 TSM vs. Dig 1:59:40 CLG vs. C9 2:01:47 Crs vs. C9 2:03:30 LMQ vs. Dig 2:06:08 LMQ vs. TSM 2:08:35 Curse as an organisation 2:15:30 Shiphtur vs. Voyboy and Link 2:20:37 Third place at NA Regionals 2:21:40 Dignitas and their botlane 2:25:43 Korean and Chinese LoL viewership 2:43:30 Meteos 2:45:30 Further discussion about Voyboy, following his tweet 2:55:35 ROCCAT vs. SHC 3:00:38 SK vs. MIL 3:05:05 fnatic vs. ROCCAT 3:05:30 SK vs. ALL 3:09:52 ALL vs. fnatic 3:11:24 Worlds groups discussion 3:28:49 OGN final - Blue vs. Arrows 3:32:00 Arrows or SKT as the winner of the qualifier 3:39:45 SKT K vs. Stealths and Sword 3:43:20 Faker 1v9ing a discussion about Impact 4:08:35 Final words

[@Blast3rrProduction]

THANK YOU i was looking for you my friend

[@MrRecords14]

this was by far the best summoning insight so far, extremely entertaining

[@RDFLD]

Who can waste 4 hours looking something like this?

[@y0fy0f]

me.

[@dani-o-dani]

This things are better than 90% shows on TV right now. At least for me. Can hook me up 4 hours straight so, yeah, kudos for them

[@MrAcedelux]

Better than watching anything on the TV

[@thePANDEMlC]

a lot of people listen to it while they do other things and not all in one sitting, crazy huh?

[@kavinh10]

who wouldn't love to spend 4 hours listening to people argue over whose worst

[@joshbitson1556]

One of the better summoning insights IMO

[@MrJonasBager]

Great episode! I can only agree with monte about the picks for worlds group stage. We need a stream to conclude that the picks will be choosed randomly :)

[@willek1335]

4 hours later, man that was one hell of a good ride. Thank you for 4 hours of awesome interview.

[@teddeyishere]

LORD SAINT BOOOOYS

[@MrSilvaKing]

***** xpecial > bunny

[@TheDeadking100]

***** Xpecial is better tho.....It is Lord Thooorinnnnnnnn scrub

[@TheDeadking100]

***** Xpecial is better tho.....It is Lord Thooorinnnnnnnn scrub

[@ceddyfreakx3]

i really hope curse smashes fcking clg in playoffs .

[@underoathfromrs]

They won't. Lol.

[@MrAcedelux]

Highly unlikely that they will "smash" CLG, however the chance is high that they beat them in a close series. Whatever happens though doesn't change alot of things Thoorin mentioned about Curse, they never showed up in playoffs anyways.

[@bobphan843]

I dont, i love CLG

[@Aryan7300]

I will sure you that Curse will beat CLG.

[@underoathfromrs]

They won't haha.

[@Anditre1]

Best episode of SI I've ever seen

[@maxk880]

Nien might not have been that great but I don't see how Seraph is better, in the games they won Seraph literally never carried and barely ever won his lane. That guy might have ''hurdur potential'' but he certainly as fck hasn't shown it off yet, why do you think he was benched off of white shield?

[@Austinryan777]

Let me get some popcorn here , this shit is good xD

[@florianschmoll6152]

the voyboy talk by thorin was even better than reddit made it seem.

[@GoLeafszGo]

Why don't you ever upload the first one hour of thooorin struggling trying to use skype :P

[@victortrevino6330]

Thorin likes the sound of his voice too much. The guy is the skip bayless of league of legends.

[@druidzown]

I've seen this comment before....at least the skip bayless part. Get original, nerd.

[@victortrevino6330]

If the comparison comes up that often, it just means its a valid observation. Not trying to get creative here he really does the same thing.

[@EvanDuskkellPlaysGam]

I hate Skip. Thoorin is simulair. I dont like Thoorin.

[@blunt_master]

This is sort of like the O'Reilly factor for LoL, lmao. This episode was Thooooooooooooooooorin just slicing Saint's throat and occasionally turning to Monte to give him a chance to say a couple words

[@uberpwnage2.0]

Sweet series. I'd love to have these guys to another episode in the future.

[@tooeebeeass6737]

I honestly love Thorin, no other esports journalist get better answers than his guests imo

[@patricklai]

THORIN FTW!!!!! :D its good to see that someone can talk about his opinions with proper thought/research and ZERO BS.

[@1deif]

"it comes out of the teamwise thing, dude!" Gotta love Saints phrasing-skills.

[@KaizerFaith]

"There's a bowl full of balls that the players grab and open up as a team." - MonteCristo 2014

[@DimebagDixon]

Monte: "I think if you wanna finish high school, you should probably finish high school" Thorin: "FAKER." I lol'd.

[@DeceptionZer0]

Really happy with Saint sticking up for curse

[@pathasahat14]

Saint predicted everything. TSM win, Curse win, Earthquake in California. Maybe Bunnyfufu really is a god.

[@RibbonArmyBlue]

This was just Thorn yelling his point at saint without even taking enough words to let saint make his point.

[@damienscullytoo]

GJ! also for finally uploading them quicker :D

[@YoElementalGPU]

Saint is going HAM. I love these guests (same as Edward) that give some shit back to Monte and Thorin

[@2smart3guys]

this was a really really good episode a lot of actual arguments made and strong claims

[@damienscullytoo]

Warning, More shots than usual were fired in this episode. imgur.com/EKfzskW

[@adinova2]

oh boy thorin on his best i love him finally someone with C9Balls in Esports cant wait for the next episode . Imagine doublelift on this show the Thresh talk will be imense

[@theimplannister7495]

this was a really ,really good episode , the only way they can top this , is invite the dongmaster himself , Iamaqtpie , this would be the summit of epicness

[@thefarmer01]

2:24:50 my man Chael Sonnen reference. Good pep talk if you are interested, one where he speaks to his group of fights, and one where he talks to a specific fighter Uriah Hall.

[@jesper4622]

Summoning Insight Episode 19 VOD, with special guest Saintvicious Yellowstar on Alliance?? Have I missed something big?

[@ArJayDM]

Who else caught the subtle shot at Saintvicious at 1:34:37? About Xpecial flaying J4's jump? Xpecial flayed 3 of Saints J4 jumps in a TSM vs Curse game lmao.

[@czowieksonce5777]

this MUST BE the best episode of talk show EVER>gG

[@youngertoguro-nasupport7987]

1:14:45 - The Voy bashing begins. Personally I think Voyboy is underrated. Always been a fan, always will be a fan!

[@solteraish]

is shiptur in worldss any more??

[@WisteriaBerlitz]

If I had a shot whenever Thorin says okay, I'd probably have a sip.

[@HHmajster]

best episode ever btw.soon 24h vod Kappa

[@Cam_probably]

Haha, Thorin's reliable tangent was actually pretty bloody funny!!!

[@diegofabian5179]

So when Voyboy says he got trashtalked he is not suited to be a pro. But when Thorin is criticised by Voyboy, he can still be an esports journalist. Thorin just takes one little thing to make the big unquestionable statement, but someone could do the same to him in every idea he expresses.

[@GarroshX]

Thorin is passionate, least gotta give him that. Doesn't sugar coat it either. I can respect that. The world needs less phony people.

[@ShawnReardon]

See you guys still don't get it, if you handled the Voyboy thing calmly no one would say anything, instead you lose your shit for 10 minutes. Once again looking like a 12 year old playing COD.

[@dylaz13]

Totally agree.

[@ShawnReardon]

It just seems like all they can do is shout when people argue with their analysis. No one said Voyboy > Faker. But to try and act like he hasn't been playing better is crazy and no one ever really gave him that credit. They just said he picks strange things.

[@hmfmlcom6281]

I think it's you and I would say a large amount of the community who don't get it. whether he says things calmly or shouts or does whatever the important thing is that what he's saying is correct. He agrees with the current form of Voyboy and that Voy is a decent player but that Voy is at best a middle of the pack mid laner in NA and that he's not a "great" mid.

[@Cam_probably]

They acted immature, blowing up over a simple surprised tweet.

[@SurriSama]

anyone who uses CoD as their measure of chilishness is only about 2-3 years older then the perceived demographic....

[@Blackadderthefourth]

Does anybody know where the clip is that Monte mentions at 3:42:30 ?

[@Stothedqd]

whats the vid that thorin talks about in the beginning with sjokz and monte in it?

[@richardsjpark]

really wanted to see the montecristo and sjokz video :\

[@dannyjunpark]

Saint: I think cabbage is more healthy than celery. thorin: Why is that? Saint: Who gives a shit?

[@EWHRDIII]

One guy was only there a third of the time and the other would only answer questions a third of the time. So Thorin didn't even interview a whole person.

[@jarrodau-yeung3190]

you just said "they have; froggen, they have tabzz and they have yellowstar." yellowstar?

[@TheEpicTurkey]

Can someone edit the video and only put the part voyboy/ curse is concerned?

[@GamesCourier]

just watch at 2:45:30

[@jaycemid7720]

The year is up boi

[@wannes200]

did no one think of the balls meteos combo for top jungle synergie?

[@arzachxavier4518]

have to say this show is some quality entertainment

[@HowApathetic]

I think Thorin needs to calm down before he has a heart attack.

[@LeeroyChenkins]

props to thorin for cooling down. he gets so much shit, and he goes off on rants and stuff, but at least he knows it and can admit it, and actually do something about it. Doubt any of the guys giving him abuse do that.

[@ethanomihombre]

From my perspective Thorin was angry because of something out of but still related to the show, and as a result almost the entire episode suffered from both an entertainment perspective and an analytical one. Personally I think Thorin can make good points and argue well with people most of the time, so perhaps not reading social during the episode would help? Addressing it after the show is fine by me because it doesn't affect it, but there was almost no in depth discussion this episode which was disappointing.

[@Demilak]

I honestly felt like the last 2-3 hours was just Thorin bashing Saint for everything he said. Like, if you ask a guy for his opinion, and even he gives you an opinion that you disagree with or don't understand, you don't just start giving him shit for it and make personal attacks on him, listening only to the extent of getting something else to shit on him for. He rarely let Saint finish an explanation of anything, though I honestly don't think he listened to what Saint said, and if he did he didn't understand it. Like the Nyjacky vs Scarra debate, where Thorin made a huge deal out of Saint thinking Scarra wasn't that good, when Saint has played hundreds of games with and against Scarra, and understands the people he's talking about very well, while Thorin saw a few games and did some interviews.

[@midicronica99]

Michael Nichols There was a reason why Thorin was yelling at Saint and it was not because he didn't disagree or didn't understand, cause if I were in Thorin's shoes I would be too. When Thorin would ask Saint's opinion on a topic, Saint would say one thing to justify his argument. Then when he would ask his opinion on another topic he would contradict his previous point. Saint has cognitive dissonance where he has two or more contradictory thoughts in his head. For example, when Thorin asked who was better Aphromoo or Xpecial, Saint replied with Aphro, and Saint believed that you shouldn't take historical results into account. Then when Saint tried to argue that BigFat was a good player he said, "Who cares what happened afterwards?" In that argument he suddenly took his previous results into account where in every other argument he would completely exclude it. Thorin actually kept his composure quite well, I could see he was almost on the edge but was able to keep his cool.

[@ethanomihombre]

Raymond Park I understand that there was a reason, but from my point of view it was detrimental to the show as a whole entertainment and discussion-wise. Forcing your point of view on someone too forcefully - even if it's 100% right and they're 100% wrong - can stifle conversation. It ended up doing this, which is not a good thing on a talk show. Even if someone is angry for a good reason, their job on the show is to provide entertainment value whether it be through being funny, informative, leading the show, or something else. When it comes down to the bottom line, the show ended up not being very informative nor was it entertaining for a very large chunk of time from my perspective. Thorin may have kept himself from exploding, but he did not keep himself from letting his anger get in the way of the show.

[@TurriPi]

Damn, I really liked Saint this time around.

[@FJimmy01]

anyone know the time where thoorin talks about zekkent?

[@MycoolHand]

doublelift went from curse to clg right?

[@gerryramosftw]

how can thoorin even just assume that people think voyboy sucks. where is he getting that from?

[@GamesCourier]

Voyboy doesnt suck. But he is not one of the top 3 midlaners in NA and if you compare him to the whole western scene he will fall even more. I always thought that he was a much better top laner. In a view solely on NA he is good (maybe 4th best of his position, for me he is 5th best) but if you look international he cant compete. Thats all what they say.

[@Theugeneng]

From his interviews with other pros...he said it in the show

[@DeceptionZer0]

Saint stood up to Thorrin and now hes constantly bashing everything related to Curse hes the worst analyst I actually have a bigger hate for him than Kaceytron

[@AlanPartridgeBoxing]

Voyboy does suck tho.

[@DeceptionZer0]

Explain?

[@Iversonwings1]

Was Saint drinking a beer at 16:15?

[@TheDrokstar]

daaamn, thoorin went ham on voyboy this episode

[@iDetermine]

Yes baby its here!!!

[@TheBigslug333]

Saint cannot hold a coherent argument for 5 fucking seconds... Holy shit. Please never get saint on again.

[@Gabstei]

omg vid not working??

[@tjd1985]

W-what? It's up already?

[@RichiaMLT]

Tsm and Curse won.... nice one Thorin and Monte. Good job to saint's faith to curse. CURSE OR DIE LOL

[@Cam_probably]

Ok, they blew the tweet from Voyboy out of proportion. He said he was bloody surprised, not getting on their case for talking about him. He was playing well recently, so them being overly-critical was surprising. They went on a rant about nothing.

[@supercrazy9562]

keep up the good work thooorin

[@Verlisify]

saint is so ignorant, every time he was wrong he just backed out to "Team game, team game"

[@PhotonKhan1991]

I would like to see Thorin's Face now, Kt arrows won what does he have to say about that.

[@1deif]

last 15 minutes, true gold ^^

[@BruceWayne-rw6gr]

so saint is lord now monte?? LORD SAINT

[@albertalmodal4331]

Holy shit, this got intense near the end.

[@70chaoswalking07]

Thorin even more abrasive than usual, sheesh.

[@danhausta4491]

i enjoyed this and thorin is funny as hell everthing hating on this is too sensitive

[@VenomousStare]

Good show!

[@mickmoofro9436]

remembered that Video after watching old lcs gamesGuess Thooorin owns Saint a BurgerKing Crown now xP

[@CorrupTed666ersdg]

Sounds like clg aren't doing well in Korea: (

[@doktorkalt2389]

I want Saint as a caster.

[@mooneeve]

Scarra was a way better player than Nyjacky ever was. Scarra was capable of solo carrying his team from midlane by crushing his lane.

[@ProfessionalHunt]

so it WAS 4 hours long! thought I was just imagining things

[@combusken27]

Not sure why everyone so butt hurt when they criticize certain players. Its a large part of the series. You either agree with the opinion or you don't simple as that.

[@Theugeneng]

Man there were alot of flaws in saints arguments....he argued against himself so many times. That said i loved how he snapped back at thoorin and actually exposed some of thooorins arguments.... awesome episode and very entertain8mg

[@Koudys_1]

yellowstar in alliance ?

[@vmunja01]

Time for me to make a prediction AoD on H2K will be top 3 supports in EU.

[@LeeroyChenkins]

yeah people freakin flaming on thorin for getting really heated in arguments, but like who wouldnt!! Thorin is one of the most logical people with actual sound arguments and thinking, and he has to try to talk to a guy who will make strong claims without any backing, and then says "who gives a fuck" when he disagrees. I mean sure, those guys dont get heated and so no one flames on them, lets all flame on the guy who actually makes sense. Like wtf lol

[@jackw801]

What the fuck is Thoorin talking about with WWII. America did just as much as Britian.

[@TehIdiotOne]

Overall, perhaps, due to the pacific war, but what he meant was in the regional war against germany, where the americans came when the war was basically already won by the brits and soviets

[@jackw801]

He's just not clear with any of his arguments.

[@bigwuwu103]

Shy Vana cuz outside the U.S. it's pretty common knowledge and doesn't need to be clarified. Even people in the U.S. know the European theater was pretty much won by the Allies after Stalingrad.

[@thestealthgirl3231]

***** Yea. Although most credit is given to Britain than Russia because US+UK butt buddies politically.

[@saintsataniko2116]

***** Fascinating that you may even believe your own bullshit. You're suggesting the war was "already won" before D-DAY! Before numerous other hugely pivotal battles, ALL of which US troops were heavily involved, and US strategists heavily orchestrated. Considering that the US is a continent and an ocean away it wasn't immediately involved in a war on another continent, but eventually played a MASSIVE role in winning and ending said war. Quite unlike isolationist EUROPE which to this day frequently watches genocide on its doorstep and literally does nothing! Perhaps you should read some history that isn't filtered through your phony EUroCentric lenses, matey!

[@cyclop1312]

After that, Xpecial retires... and Bunny Fu Fu will take his place.

[@willek1335]

1:33:35 "You think Xpecial is better then Gleeb, right, that doesn't mean anything." LAWL :D

[@bobphan843]

BEST. EPISODE. EVER

[@h4lfnh4lf]

As a first time watcher of this show, the guy in the middle is very well spoken and even hilarious at times. Obviously the real star of the show. However, my biggest gripe would be the fact that he has an unfortunate habit of defending himself/ qualifying his statements. I understand that he is trying to help viewers understand where he is coming from and trying to prevent from offending people but it really detracts from the show and it is somewhat unpleasant to watch/hear. The guy on the right has a good amount of information to offer, but his unique perspective is what makes his addition to the show wholesome. Also had his funny moments, my only real gripe with him would be the fact that he seems too interested in winning conversations, and would often misconstrue a question or statement from the guy in the middle as a personal attack of sorts. The man on the left I have nothing to complain about, he comes off as very intelligent, professional and in his element. If anything I would say that he plays it a bit too safe/polite with his statements, but it might just be in comparison to the other two, who "keep it real". Overall 7/10, thanks for keeping me entertained and laughing on my way back from work. When I ran out of Bill Burr podcasts to listen to I was worried, but you came to my rescue.

[@Demilak]

Most of the people are fairly known in the LoL scene, but here's a quick rundown: Left: Montecristo (host) - Coach for NA team CLG, is an e-sports journalist and commentates the Korean pro-league, OGN. Center: Thorin (host) - e-sports journalist for onGamers. Does interviews with professional gamers. He was exceptionally rude in this episode, constantly railing the guest on the show. Right: Saintvicious (guest) - Ex-professional LoL player, notorious for missing crucial smites to secure objectives. Currently is a coach for team Curse, and still plays at a high level.

[@lilBarryStyle]

both thoorin and monte know much more than me and 98% of people interestd in lol. but i still cant wrap my head around why they wouldnt take the time to play a few games of lol a week.. its the best thing they could do ESPECIALLY since they live from talking about this game. it would ONLY bring positive to their analysis when they know how it feels to play in fog of war which they never fkin have when watching ogn

[@horuzCHANNEL]

thorin is just awesome and hilarious, i love his analogys ^^ i laugh my ass off.

[@Peter-qb3qf]

love this show

[@Osealey]

Asafa Powell chokes like that under pressure

[@liammccarthy9388]

"I don't think maRin is very good" hahaha just 1 year later

[@Jdizzledinh]

That Chael Sonnen Quote at 2:25:00. Classic.

[@kwhatofit]

Unbelievably funny Was so good