Dismantling the Cults' Abuse of John

Jesus explicitly says he's God in John 10:30, no matter how much the unitarian cults want to twist his words.
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[@LionOf.Christ]

Without Lies Islam Dies

[@Simsimousse]

Why you're obsessed with Islam?

[@Mal0Imperzia]

They eliminated people of my blood and replaced them with arabs, I cannot forgive their wickedness

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

Yes, it is indeed similar to christianity in that way.

[@Ongezellig_American]

Similarly, "without Truth, Judaism is fool-proof"

[@aidanproy1484]

@@torbjornlekberg7756 fear the Lord, for he is right and just.

[@kze24]

Jesus is a gigachad

[@coconut7630]

❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌ *OBJECTION!* Jesus is THE gigachad

[@TopatTom]

Nothing we say will be enough to how great He is.

[@Nualiini]

@@coconut7630😂

[@alvianofresident]

Are you An SCP Foundation Fan

[@kze24]

@@alvianofresident Yeah, it's a new pfp. I have read quite a few SCP articles.

[@SuperBossGiovanni]

Lest we forgot John 14:8-9. Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?" Jesus is basically telling Phillip "How? How do you not yet understand who I am? To see me is to see God."

[@quantum_immortal69]

It's really telling there is absolutely no mention of Jesus claiming to be God in Mark, Matthew, or Luke. Those are the three EARLIEST gospels. Then came John, AFTER those three, and makes this wild claim that nobody else mentions, that nobody corroborates. It's highly implausible that Mark, Matthew, and Luke, all three of them, would neglect to mention such an important aspect of the prophet they followed and learned from. It's much more likely John lied, and his gospel is less valuable.

[@SuperBossGiovanni]

@quantum_immortal69 Incorrect. There is plenty of Jesus' divinity in the other Gospels, just not as direct or explicit as John. Each writer was emphasizing something different when they wrote their accounts. Let's start with Matthew 1. In 3:3 Matthew makes the claim that it was Jesus being spoken of in Isaiah when the Prohet said "prepare the the way for *The Lord*; Make his paths straight" 2. Matthew 7:21- "Not all who say to me 'Lord Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven." The term "lord lord" is how the phrase "Adonai YHWH" was translated into the Greek with the septuagint. In Greek, the phrase Lord Lord always refers to God. Jesus calls himself "Lord Lord", Aka God. Mark: Tbh, they are everywhere in Mark so I'll make a speed round 1. Jesus forgives sins (something only God can do) 2. Jesus calls himself "The Son of Man" which is a divine title from Daniel 7. 3. Jesus calls himself "The bridegroom" calling back to Isaiah 62:5 4. Jesus calls himself "The Lord of the Sabbath" 5. Jesus walks on water echoing Job 9:8 where it says that God alone "tramples on the waves of the sea" 6: When Jesus calms the storm, he is echoing Psalm 107:29 Repeatedly in this book we see Jesus doing things that the Bible says only God can do. Luke: 1. Peter says to Jesus "Depart from me for I am a sinful man *O Lord*" and Jesus doesn't rebuke him for calling him "Lord" (This same thing happens multiple times with people calling him "Lord" and not being corrected for it) 2. Jesus also forgives sins here Then in all Gospels, when Jesus raises people from the dead, he doesn't pray for them to be raised like others do, he just does it. So Yes, Jesus is clearly portrayed as God in all 4 Gospels. (Not to mention that Paul's writings likely predate all of the Gospels and he is always calling Jesus God.)

[@ChristianityExplained-ri8yo]

@@quantum_immortal69Here’s a few: 12. Matthew 12:8 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” 13. Luke 5:20-21 20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.” 21 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 14. Mark 2:5-9 5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” 6 Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves, 7 “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 15. Mark 1:1-3 John the Baptist Prepares the Way 1 The beginning of the good news about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God, 2 as it is written in Isaiah the prophet: “I will send my messenger ahead of you,
 who will prepare your way”- 3 “a voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
 make straight paths for him.’”

[@Mortablunt]

John is the worst gospel it was written 150 years after Jesus and is completely unlike the other three so it should be discounted. It was written on commission by the Roman government when establishing the state church. It conveniently gave the pagans a deathdefying Magic demigod we told them they didn’t have to change anything at all, in order to fit the new religion, which was really nice and convenient.

[@ChristianityExplained-ri8yo]

@@Mortablunt Rome didn’t even accept Christianity 150 years after Jesus. What are your sources? I had a stroke trying to understand what you’re saying but pagans definitely had to change their ways to become Christian. Read the New Testament and you’ll find plenty of people who changed their ways to become Christian like Saul or a person who was saying misinformed things about Christianity and was corrected by Barnabus and Paul, Matthew was a tax collector, and others changed their ways to become Christian. Jesus isn’t a demigod. You clearly don’t understand the faith if you’re saying such drivel.

[@Glory_be_to_Christ]

I actually had a Muslim try to argue that exact thing, and I used the exact same argument you used: I simply asked them, “what creature can claim to give eternal life?”

[@SheikhDemtiddies]

@@Glory_be_to_Christ In Islam it's Muhammad. Gives you eternal life in hell for following his false words.

[@Glory_be_to_Christ]

@@SheikhDemtiddies Muhammad is the antithesis of all things Christ 🙏🏻

[@pigzcanfly444]

Mohammad was an atheist change my mind.

[@TheTemplar168]

@@Glory_be_to_Christyou forgot the most important part! (Police be upon him)😂

[@nicbentulan]

​@@Glory_be_to_Christ Why do Christians hypocritically tell Jews Jesus is the Messiah but not Muslims Mohammed is the anti-Christ? Notice they both had a ministry for 7 years in accordance with Daniel 9:27. Jesus from 25AD baptism to 32AD crucifixion. And then Mohammed 622AD year zero to 629AD assassinated by Jewish prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith PBUHer w a poisoned lamb showing Islam's 3 main enemies Christianity feminism Judaism. (But Mohammed died from the assassination 3 years later.)

[@Paladin_440]

John 8:58 is an unmistakable claim of divinity. "Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

[@natevenarske]

@@isowaveseight1389”I am” is the Devine name revealed to Moses. Jesus is claimed to be that same I Am.

[@EnHacore1]

​@@natevenarskethe phrase "I am" is used in the Bible in many places and has nothing to do with the name of Yahve, please study proper scholarship on this. Jesus is saying that the plan for the Meshia to come existed before Moses existed, that's it, nothing more.

[@natevenarske]

@@EnHacore1 why did the Jews try to stone him, then? It’s clearly a reference to the Devine name, they saw it as blasphemy. Take off your biased glasses, read the passage in context, and it becomes clear as day. I’ve certainly done my research on this by the way. If you’ve got a hang up on the trinity, check out modalistic monarchianism. It’s a compelling, logically sound explanation of the data we have on Jesus in the Bible that doesn’t appeal to God being one being with three persons.

[@logicianbones]

​@@natevenarske Yep, and it's present tense, not "Before Abraham, I was." It's a claim to timelessness and eternal pre-existence. And as you say, clearly the people actually in the culture EnHacore is speculating about 2000 years later clearly knew what it meant.

[@Person29-fz4ql]

@@logicianbones What tense is "eimi" in John 14:9 and how is it translated? What tense is "ego eimi" in Genesis 31:38 LXX, Genesis 31:41 LXX, and Judges 16:17 LXX? How are they all translated? I'll wait.

[@andrewdavis623]

Jesus said “Before Abraham was I am” he was saying he is God.

[@Simsimousse]

What about Jeremiah?

[@darthmcgee2216]

@@dieselmule2006 UHHHHHH......

[@darthmcgee2216]

@@Simsimousse The weeping prophet? Yes what about him?

[@thanatosgarvey3701]

Abraham and Melchezidek did the first communion. That's where Yeshua got it. He was from the line of Melchezidek. The line of Aaron has been polluted by the false god Yahweh.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

​@@dieselmule2006 someone didn't read the Bible.

[@randywise5241]

"And you will call Him Emanual meaning God is with us." Christ is King and God.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

"But his name is Jesus."

[@Joshchive]

​@themonsterunderyourbed9408 I know this is a sarcastic reply, but the funny thing about people who say that too is that in Matthew 1:20-21 the angel states "for the Child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a Son; and you shall name Him Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” The name Jesus means (God is Salvation or God saves). If he was named this because he will bring salvation, then he would be the God that is salvation/the God that saves. So his own name points to his divinity.

[@FruitNDoggie]

Jesus didn't go to the Roman capital and stand on the roof, shouting to all passersby that He is God. However, He hardly made it a secret either. Anybody who can summarize the message found in The Bible pertaining to Jesus and take away from it that He never claimed his divine status is either a liar or blind.

[@preciousjatau6244]

Well said 👏

[@Logician-Bones]

@FrankLee-gq8yc Not a separate Being. A distinct Person.

[@Logician-Bones]

​@@DomainofKnowlegdia In other words, heretics disagreed. We know. So what? They were disproven.

[@ChristianKnight-1054]

@@DomainofKnowlegdia They only interpretate It differently via mental gynastics to twist It's meaning.

[@tomasrocha6139]

@@Logician-Bones "Not a separate Being. A distinct Person." So a distinction without a difference

[@CWRobinsonMusic]

He said “I Am” and they tried to stone Him, they knew exactly what He called Himself. “I Am” is a greater and more personal response than just saying “I am God”

[@The_Gallowglass]

No. Jesus was saying he existed before Abraham "Eigo eimi" and God said, "Eigo eimi ho an" or "I am the one" these are two different things. Also in the Hebew he never says "I am" because the meaning of EH YEH means "I am" and also "I will be" meaning he always was and always will be. Then he told Moses, he who sent him is, "YAH WEH" or "he is" and "he will be" meaning he is now and always will be. He never says simply "I am" or "I am what I am"

[@centurion7398]

The fact that every trained interpreter of scripture in the building immediately and (if he'd been lying) appropriately picked up a rock, tells you everything you need to know about what he claimed.

[@jimvargaco.6344]

@@centurion7398 that’s true, whole place is packed with the most respected theologians in the entirety of the Hebrew world who could have quoted the whole of the Torah and various Midrash that existed in their day by chapter and verse and had dedicated their lives to studying, debating, copying and deciphering its meaning, and when He said that they every one of them thought he was saying he was God? Why would we assume they were wrong?

[@Trunknown16]

Also when Jesus says that the Father is greater then Him Philippians 2:5-8 explains why he said this: "Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." This passage highlights how Jesus, even though He was in the form of God, humbled Himself for the sake of humanity, showing great humility and obedience to God's will.

[@nicbentulan]

bible predicted 1- isaiah 49:6 - abrahamism would be worldwide 2- philippians 2:11 - christianity would be worldwide (fuller meaning of isaiah 49:6) 3- luke 4:24 - christianity is more for religious gentiles while judaism is more for ethnic jews 4 - romans 11 - idk which verse specifically but there are 2 million jewish christians 5 - genesis 16:12 - rise of islam and that there are there are 2 million jewish christians YET 0 million jewish muslims what else?

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

In John 10:30, when Jesus said _"I and the Father are one",_ he used the Greek adjective ἕν (hen), meaning 'one' in the neuter - not the masculine εἶς (heis), which would say the Father and Son are one person. In using the neuter form Jesus was asserting his unity of essence with the Father, not merely unity of will or of power. That this is the correct understanding is confirmed by the Judeans’ reaction at John 10:31-33. Jesus’ statement denies Sabellian (Oneness) and Arian (JW) doctrines alike.

[@crusaderACR]

Whenever I read about old heresies like Sabellianism and Arianism I'm stuck with the feeling it's just some past, embarrassing history. Errors of a confusing age, in rather early Christianity. I get it, the Trinity is confusing, you don't have all the Scriptures, maybe no good coherent translation into your language yet, you weren't instructed, what have you. But then these groups come out of left field, reviving millennia old errors. Yes, God's "inner life" is confusing, but why did you expect anything else? It's so clearly in the text it's crazy. If you read it without any preconceived notions except a basic Jewish background, you should be shocked, scandalized, want to tear apart your tunic, yell "blasphemy!" and come out a Trinitarian Christian. With ANY of the Gospels, because all Gospels teach Christ's divinity.

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

@@crusaderACR Although the New Testament clearly attests to Jesus' deity, Trinitarian doctrine doesn't automatically flow from that. The earliest church was Binitarian, equating Jesus with the Holy Spirit. Some examples of early church Binitarianism: • The writer of the _Shepherd of Hermas_ (c.100-c.160), at 59:5: _The holy pre-existent spirit, which created the whole creation, God made to dwell in flesh that He desired._ Similarly, at 78:1: _I wish to show thee all things that the Holy Spirit, which spake with thee in the form of the Church, showed unto thee. For that Spirit is the Son of God._ • Psuedo-Clement (c.130-160), at _2 Clement_ 14:4, wrote: _But if we say that the flesh is the Church and the spirit is Christ, then he that hath dealt wantonly with the flesh hath dealt wantonly with the Church. Such an one therefore shall not partake of the spirit, which is Christ._ • In his _Dialogue with Trypho, 61.1,_ Justin Martyr (c.100-c.165) equated the logos, Son and Holy Spirit, saying: _God has begotten as a Beginning before all His creatures a kind of Reasonable Power from Himself, which is also called by the Holy Spirit the Glory of the Lord, and sometimes Son, and sometimes Wisdom, and sometimes Angel, and sometimes God, and sometimes Lord and Word. Sometimes also He speaks of Himself as Chief Commander, when He appeared in the form of a man to Joshua the son of Nun. For He can have all these names_ The doctrine of the Trinity as known since the Council of Chalcedon in 451 wasn't taught in the New Testament or in the early church. Indeed, the deity of the Holy Spirit wasn't agreed for at least 350 years. The first Christian theologian to explicitly call the Holy Spirit God was Gregory of Nazianzus (329-389), in his _Fifth Theological Oration: On the Holy Spirit,_ written and delivered in Constantinople between 379 and 381, probably during the second half of 380. At paragraph 27 of his _Fifth Theological Oration,_ Gregory of Nazianzus openly admitted the early Church did not have a Trinitarian doctrine or teach the (separate) divinity of the Holy Spirit and would have rejected both. The revelation of the Holy Spirit's full deity (as opposed to being a lesser divinity), according to Gregory, is one of those truths Jesus told the Apostles they were not ready to hear but would be revealed later (John 16:12-13). Gregory was also critical of his contemporaries, Basil of Caesarea, Athanasius of Alexandria, and Gregory of Nyssa, for their unwillingness to state the Holy Spirit's full deity. Other Christian theologians (e.g. Basil of Caeasrea) had spoken previously of the the Holy Spirit as divine and a member of the Trinity, but declined to call the Holy Spirit God in the same sense that the Father and Son were called God.

[@crusaderACR]

@@Berean_with_a_BTh It's called development of doctrine. Sometimes things take time to parse. It's not contradicting the Early Church (you won't find a Council DENYING the divinity of the Holy Spirit), but the question was open for quite a while and took some centuries to develop. The Trinity doesn't come automatically from Scripture, but it does follow necessarily. There's a reason why, despite disagreements on even the most basic things, and often great mutual hate, every Christian denomination with a shred of intellectual integrity follows Trinitarian dogma. You may find a believer's baptism denomination, but you won't find a docetist one. Have you ever read JW or Unitarian sources? They're really bad. What's your denomination or intellectual tradition?

[@Berean_with_a_BTh]

​​@@crusaderACR You might not find a church Council _denying_ the divinity of the Holy Spirit, but you also won't find one _affirming_ it before the Council of Chalcedon in 451. Although the Niceno-Constantinople Creed is traditionally ascribed to the Council of Constantinople of 381, there is no record of it in the canons of that Council or of its existence before the Council of Chalcedon in 451, when someone produced it and claimed the earlier Council had decreed it. In Gregory of Nazianzus' time, there most certainly were people denying the Holy Spirit’s divinity; they were known by their opponents as the pneumatimachi - spirit-fighters. What is more, Gregory openly admitted the early Church did not have a Trinitarian doctrine or teach the (separate) divinity of the Holy Spirit and would have rejected both. The revelation of the Holy Spirit's full deity (as opposed to being a lesser divinity), according to Gregory, is one of those truths Jesus told the Apostles they were not ready to hear but would be revealed later (John 16:12-13). I'll leave it to you to decide whether that line of argument would be accepted today for the plethora of newly-found doctrines that have supposedly been hidden from the church for nearly 2000 years that are only now coming to light and being pumped out through 'Christian' bookstores and churches like Bethel, Redding.

[@Crich_Leslie]

​​@@Berean_with_a_BTh Jesusʼ statements about the Holy Spirit in Johnʼs gospel (chs 14‒16) make it clear that the Jesus & the Spirit are Not the same person. The Spiritʼs appearance in bodily form as a dove in Jesusʼ presence also makes this clear (Luke 3ː22).

[@RebecaAiimee]

My family was Catholic before converting to JWs (before I was born) so that was all I knew about God. For the past months tho, I’ve been feeling a strong interest for Catholicism and going back to my roots, almost as if I’m being called. But I still struggle with the concept of Trinity. This video is very helpful and I will listen to it again and pray about it. Thank you.

[@tummasmohr7160]

Fantastic to hear - I will pray for you as well 🙏🏻 the trinity is definitely something that is difficult to comprehend. However, if you study the scripture (which is how God has revealed himself) then I think it is the most logical conclusion is that God is the persons Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and that they are one God. To me personally it is unsurprising that God, who is eternal and spirital, is difficult/impossible for us to fully comprehend for us humans. God bless!

[@grizzly_8917]

@@RebecaAiimee look into orthodoxy.

[@samuelleandro2275]

​@@grizzly_8917 Which? Orthodoxy is Schism Machine 3000.

[@grizzly_8917]

@samuelleandro2275 Right, Romans are so much better. No division whatsoever in the "catholic" church.

[@nevermind824]

JWs got to their stance on Jesus as they "let scripture explain scripture". Unfortunately they loved to use singular verses to explain other verses and lose all context. They'll allow one verse to explain entire chapters. They've made it worse by only referencing their own material and not using any outside information. So as time goes by the message gets more and more corrupted as it has zero peer review, and the faults begin to influence further scriptures and so on and so on

[@Madokaexe]

My family is mostly jw, it's basically that

[@zinogre6225]

Well by your own admission since they twist singular scriptures, if you read the Bible in context scripture explaining scripture debunks the JWs. Also check out Sam Shamoun, he uses Jehovah’s Witnesses translation to show that even in their perversion of scripture they still can’t hide the truth.

[@eew8060]

​@@Madokaexe That's fake news

[@JoelMorgan-Bullock]

Doesn't help that they have their own scriptures and they aren't aloud to use other translations

[@Madokaexe]

@@eew8060 what? I was raised jw, but now I'm orthodox

[@yanama466]

“I am the good Shepard.” “The LORD is my shepherd.” In the old testament it talks about how the people of God address God as the shepherd. In the New Testament Jesus proclaims that He is that shepherd. Muhammad was approached by an “angel” (he mistakes as a demon) with a new revelation but in the Bible it says if anyone comes to you (including an angel) with another gospel, let Him be accursed. Jesus is Lord my friends, He has healed many. The devil comes to confuse us and gives us “understanding of good and evil.” Sounds familiar? Like Adam and Eve’s first sin. The truth is God is the key to all understanding. God is complex and omniscient and we are just limited to what we have here. He loves and died for you.

[@xn85d2]

"I am the good Shepherd" + "Why do you call me good? There's none good except God" = "I am God".

[@THESMARTERMAN555]

You are one of my favorite channels, thank you for your hard work.

[@commandounknown4404]

I was literally in an argument with another guy about this verse and he messages me last night and something told me to wait and go to bed. Happy that I listened.

[@BotulinSpikedMarzipan]

0:33 Minecraft sound effect!

[@its.therogero-m9o]

I heard it too!

[@castellano1055]

The apostle Saint Thomas literally called him «My Lord and my God!»

[@logicianbones]

And Jesus accepted it in the reply.

[@Jocke155]

JW say that Thomas didn't mean it directly towards Jesus 😅

[@archdukeslippy1263]

@Jocke155 "No not you, Jesus. The guy behind you is my Lord and my God."

[@logicianbones]

​@@archdukeslippy1263 LOL, exactly. Though to be as generous to them as possible, technically some of them split it up so they admit "my Lord" is to Jesus, and then say that Thomas is, I guess, turning to the side or looking up and saying "My God" to God as another separate Being. Pretzel rescuing devices galore.

[@attiasprouse682]

Even more in Greek it is, “The Lord of me and The God of me,” in the nominative case. It is not an exclamation like he would just be saying this (which would be blasphemy), which would be an accusative or a genitive. The nominative case is used for the subject of a verb. A priest I know once brought this up to a JW who was familiar with cases because of his native language and the JW had no answer.

[@arnblaadh]

I found this video from a friend and I have to say this is an absolutely amazing explanation

[@Thatoneguy-pu8ty]

Absolute Chad thumbnail.

[@worminaround]

Santa Claus to the Arians be like

[@sjappiyah4071]

Spot on ! This is why when presenting John 10:30, it’s important to give the prior verses, the context makes the claim irrefutable.

[@lolmenx4]

4:47 holy ok this is basically where the New gods of fear and hunger story come from. Im almost certain. The New gods in that lore have some power, but the same way we would say that a king had so much power that he was kind of a god of his kingdom.

[@NasTalkz]

Often times I feel Jesus was giving really long answers just to troll those who he knew wouldn’t understand because they were thinking too logically. Logic is the realm we humans operate in. We only know what’s “logically” possible. He knew this and trolled them so hard because he operates illogically, but in good ways. In Godly ways. And now that I know him in my heart, everything he says makes sense. Holy spirit for real.

[@Christ-my-king]

Where 2 or 3 gather in my name I shall be amoung them - Matthew 18:20. Bro is claiming to be omnipresent!!!!!! Only God is omnipresent

[@EnHacore1]

Have you heard about the Holy Spirit that was going to be sent to the disciples? The same Holy Spirit that came upon Jesus at his baptism?

[@logicianbones]

@@EnHacore1 And?

[@nicbentulan]

fair but if i were jehovah's witness, then i could say archangel michael blah blah blah. it might work against muslims though. 0- hypothetically why isn't jehovah's witness explanation of archangel michael better than islam's mere mortal explanation? 1- Is John 13:34 a divine claim? 2- Bart Ehrman says Jesus never claimed to be divine in synoptic Gospels. But since John 13:34 sums up the new covenant the 'Jesus' of any of the synoptic Gospels MUST have said John 13:34, same as the 'Jesus' in the Gospel of John? 3- Jews & Bart Ehrman agree John 10:30 & 8:58 are divine claims, so how can Muslims & Jehovah's Witnesses deny they are divine claims unless they do restorationist Christian magic ?! Maybe because they are the ones referred in John 8:44 & 10:26? 4- Is Islam essentially the original restorationist Christianity just as Mohammed is OG Joseph Smith? 5 - Why do Christians hypocritically tell Jews Jesus is the Messiah but not Muslims Mohammed is the anti-Christ? Notice they both had a ministry for 7 years in accordance with Daniel 9:27. Jesus from 25AD baptism to 32AD crucifixion. And then Mohammed 622AD year zero to 629AD assassinated by Jewish prophetess Zaynab bint Al-Harith PBUHer w a poisoned lamb showing Islam's 3 main enemies Christianity feminism Judaism. (But Mohammed died from the assassination 3 years later.)

[@theologyroom]

By your logic Paul was also "omnipresent". He said he is present in the spirit wherever his followers are assembled. See 1Corinthians 5v3-5.

[@EnHacore1]

@@logicianbones Jesus is present thru the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God the Father.

[@bloodofthelamb13]

“…Before Abraham was, I am.” Jesus wasn’t using the incorrect grammar there; he was using the proper noun name of God, by which He introduced Himself to Abraham.

[@FishermensCorner]

Additionally, consider what's often overlooked about the statement "before *Abraham* was, I AM." When we say "I am", we say Yahweh, which means "he is", but Jesus doesn't say "he is." Instead, he literally says, "I am" ... in other words he doesn't say the personal name of God "he is" but claims directly to be God, "I am."

[@tyrannosauruszeppelin2205]

@@FishermensCorner Jesus actually says "Before ABRAHAM was, I AM'. Not before Moses, but before Abraham. But good point!

[@mattd398]

​@@tyrannosauruszeppelin2205 This isn't in connection to Exodus, but if you read the all of chp 8, Jesus is saying he's still the Messiah. Or when the woman at the well asked about the Messiah and Jesus said, Eigo Emi to her, is this also connected to Exodus? (Especially when it would be Ho on, not Eigo Emi)

[@tyrannosauruszeppelin2205]

@@mattd398 I don't get what you're saying. Do you mean that "Before Abraham was, I AM" does not mean Jesus is God because He says to the woman at the well that He is the Messiah? That has nothing to do with each other.

[@mattd398]

@tyrannosauruszeppelin2205 1) Eigo Eimi isn't connected to Exodus 3:14 2) if your point is it is, then he isn't saying he's the Messiah to the woman at the well, but the Divine Name. This doesn't flow. 3) doesn't flow in chp 8 since he says Eugo eimi repeatedly in same chp. (I've only seen one translated that capitalizes all. Most do it only at 8: 58) My main point is: Jesus is making a messianic declaration, not saying he is God ontologcially

[@ryankelly9032]

@@tyrannosauruszeppelin2205the angel of the lord tells Mary her son will called Immanuel. As this is explained in Isaiah 7:14 to mean God with us, she knew immediately her child would be God.

[@ChristianityExplained-ri8yo]

The Council of Nicaea was mainly to combat a big point of contention in the Church that was the heresy of Arianism, made by an Egyptian priest named Arius. He purported that Christ was a created being and not divine, which was of course false. The Council established the promulgation of canon law and was the first ecumenical council of the Church.

[@au8363]

Glory To The Triune GOD

[@Redsangs]

Lovely video, God Bless

[@quagsiremcgee1647]

He didn't just say im God. He went all out. Super descriptive

[@reasonforge9997]

Jesus and his listeners were observant Jews when he said he and the father were one. They would all instantly recognize he was echoing the language in the Shema prayer--the most important in Judaism which starts with: שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָד׃ Which translates as "Hear, oh Israel the LORD our God the LORD is one.". It comes from Deuteronomy 6, which goes on to greatly emphasis that Hebrews are to remember these words and keep them in mind at all times.

[@jamiekslog]

4:01 I want to put that on a t-shirt so badly

[@BBNneeews]

@@jamiekslog being greedy is bad tho

[@JeewooKim-i6b]

Thomas said to Jesus: ‘My lord and my god’

[@dewd9327]

Saint Nicholas of Myra, intercede, amen

[@a-s-greig]

🎅: Hohoho, I've got some Arians to deck!

[@samsam-nx8gq]

Glory to the triune God Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

[@King_Miracle]

Bro's animations are dope 😂🤣

[@glerbus9561]

I can't wait to join the trinity as stated in John 17:20-23

[@Waldemarvonanhalt]

At this point, we might as well read the documents/canons from the Council of Nicea. It nukes the Arians.

[@ILOVETHEHOLYLAND]

It just imposes the dogma really, nowhere near disproves the Arians at all.

[@gestifr]

@@ILOVETHEHOLYLAND St Spyridon performed a miracle and professed the truth and his faith in Christ leading to the Nicean Creed and condemning of Arianism which led to any further practitioners being excommunicated from the church

[@ILOVETHEHOLYLAND]

@@gestifr the miracle not only was not recorded, but majority of the history of the nicean creed is all history that’s biased when you have to bring into the account the crusades.

[@SeaMermaid777]

Amen to this brother in Christ

[@HickAtHeart]

Psalms : “The LORD is my Shepherd” Jesus : “I am the Good Shepherd”

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

Isaiah 9:6-7 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this. This is the only verse one needs to know who the Messiah is. Messiah is will come as a human man, he will rule on the throne of David forever and he will be called Mighty God and Everlasting Father. It's honestly not even up for debate, yet here we are for some reason arguing with the very people whose holy book says that the messiah is God in human form.

[@JocoseJokes]

@@Doc-Holliday1851 As well as Hebrews 1, the entire chapter

[@StrikerEStrikerovich]

​@@Doc-Holliday1851not gonna lie bro that's a bad verse to use for your argument

[@logicianbones]

Yep. Also notice the "Good" and remember Jesus said only God is good. (Funnily enough I've seen Unitarians quoting that good shepherd verse and writing it off as "it's just about sheep!"... yet they will also use the other statement to claim Jesus is denying being God. Clearly he was claiming to BE God!)

[@FishermensCorner]

@@StrikerEStrikerovich no, it's perfect.

[@kaiser8195]

Proper analysis. I love this.

[@bartfort0x0]

This question is not related to the video topic but what's up with Internet conspiracy theorists claiming that the name "Jesus" why most likely never heard by Christ himself, and that what he would have actually been called is Yeshua

[@Austin-kt7ky]

Yeshua is his name in his original language, Jesus is how it's pronounced in Greek if I am not mistaken. Listen to how they sound, and remember that most ancient languages did not have the letter J and instead had a vowel like I in its place: Yeshua Ieshua Iesua Iesus Jesus See it now?

[@bartfort0x0]

@@Austin-kt7ky yes okay thank you very much for helping me understand 🙏👑

[@xyberlust]

they're just people who make up stuff, transliterations don't change anything, your talking to the same person aka the Son of God, call him Yeshua, Iesus, Jesus, Yahoshua etc etc

[@RDD3lap3n496]

Welp, we call him locally and nationally called Hesus Kristo but internationally Jesus Christ.... A word comic is the same as manga, or manhwa - a different language but the same definition

[@imgoodatmusic]

@@Austin-kt7ky not true, Yeshua is Hebrew, His original name is Isho.

[@derekdavis3004]

God curses some with confusion and others he blesses with understanding. We all serve at his pleasure.

[@TheSergio1021]

Jesus wouldnt have been crucified if he DIDNT claim to be God. Jesus claiming to be God is what the jews hated most

[@scottarivett496]

That and anything he did or said that made them look bad

[@kialdowns2310]

"If I bear witness of myself, ..." 0:05

[@carlose4314]

Jesus is also depicted as the Lamb in Revelation who receives worship.

[@Kongdannii]

Jesus is the Best... Amen

[@JesusPerez-wd3tq]

Where does jesus say I am God? simple actually... Rev 22 13 Phil 2 6-8 John 1 1 and rev 19 13 Rev 22 9 Titus 2 13 Colo 2 9 Heb 1 8 John 17 10 Matth 11 27 John 10 30 John 8 58 1 cor 8 6 John 17 1 John 14 11 John 17 5 Gen 19 Gen 1 26

[@RobertAsh-v1m]

Hello brother, I think you mistyped rev 13 19, it should be rev 19 13 "13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God." NIV

[@JesusPerez-wd3tq]

​@@RobertAsh-v1moh thank you brother your right.

[@okokaytxrfo]

"b b b but The council of Nicaea corrupted these!"

[@JesusPerez-wd3tq]

@@okokaytxrfo b b but JOHN 17 3 DEBUNKS THE TRINITY YOU SEEE

[@demetriusalden9426]

John 1:1,14,34 John 5:18 John 4:25-26 John 8:58 John 10:30 John 11:27 John 20:28 Colossians 1:19 Colossians 2:9 2 Peter 1:1 Titus 2:13 Hebrews 1:8 - But of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. Philippians 3:20-21 Colossians 2:2-3 Ephesians 1:22-23 Matthew 23: 34, 37 (Isaiah 43:11; cf. 1 Timothy 4:10) Luke 2:11 Luke 4:41 Mark 3:11 Mark 2:23-28 (Isaiah 45:23) (Philippians 2:10-11). 1 Samuel 2:10; Psalm 50:6; Ecclesiastes 12:14 (John 5:22, 27; 9:39; Acts 10:42; 2 Timothy 4:1 1 Kings 22:19; Psalm 11:4; 47:8 Revelation 7:17; 22:1, 3

[@hariman7727]

One in intent and will. Jesus is the image of God, and the Son of God, who was sacrificed himself for our sins and is the right hand of God. These passages still require outside interpretation.

[@BreadLover-ts2cp]

are you playing minecraft in the background at 0:24 lol

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

Yeah I think he might be. there's another one around 2:13

[@JesusPerez-wd3tq]

​@@Doc-Holliday1851LOL your right 😂😂😂

[@Doc-Holliday1851]

@@JesusPerez-wd3tq I love that this implies these videos aren't scripted and our man Testify is just casually debunking anti-Christian arguments while playing video games.

[@COKTilYouDrop]

you gotta play MC while listening to the Bible 😂 it gives you hours of Scripture to listen to lol

[@BreadLover-ts2cp]

@@COKTilYouDrop Fair

[@Jupiter1423]

those who have eyes, let them see. those who have ears, let them hear.

[@manwiththelowend-yb7md]

A general point...a direct statement is not always neccessary. By analogy, a man states that the child by his side is his biological son. We can conclude without fuss that if true, the man is a father, but he has not stated he is a father. No other conclusion can be drawn

[@darkwolf7740]

A direct statement wouldn't be helpful

[@ILOVETHEHOLYLAND]

This statement is also vague as well, since purposely omitting indications of who the son or the father is would actually stumble the crowd hearing the message.

[@joshuapearsaul1660]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

[@astoryafet1921]

Babe wake up , testify dropped a new vid

[@william3347]

"But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins...” Matt 9:6 Who else but God can go around forgiving sins

[@DnDandVideoGames]

In Exodus, God tells Moses (referring to Himself) "I am" and Jesus says the same things to the Jews, which is why they try to stone him. Jesus specific says that he is God in the moment.

[@Simsimousse]

Why do you believe the Jews' itnerpretation of what Jesus is saying? the Jews are the enemies of Jesus, why you believe them more than Jesus?!

[@TheBibleCode]

Maklelan punching the air right now.

[@odinforce2504]

"Did I get him?" "Nah, you just winged him, now he's a unitarian." -Simpsons

[@thefirstbigsmokepopcat744]

Reminder: "gods" could also mean Elohim in the hebrew language, those are spiritual beings. So you could say the Son will judge both the spiritual and the physical

[@moris3532]

gods are fallen angels and nephilim

[@derekwoodley4084]

God's divine council is the Elohim! Those are devine beings created by Yahweh.

[@thefirstbigsmokepopcat744]

@@derekwoodley4084 that's... what I said ? Aren't divine beings spiritual ?

[@derekwoodley4084]

@@thefirstbigsmokepopcat744 I was agreeing with you.

[@thefirstbigsmokepopcat744]

@@derekwoodley4084 a .______.

[@---zc4qt]

Why do Muslims and cults ( Mormons & JWs) miss Exodus 3:2, 6-8, & 14 where he- "the Angel of the LORD"- talks as if He was God?

[@darkwolf7740]

It's strange when JW's or Muslims complain about Jesus not explicitly stating "I am God." What exactly would that achieve? Jesus is supposed to be The Son, a person of a Trinity, so even if he said the words "I am God" it wouldn't explain who he is 🤔

[@GhostfaceRocks]

I find it kind of funny, they love to say the bible is inaccurate, yet it foretells many religious that come later in 2 Peter 2:1-3, "But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."

[@oscaralegre3683]

this issue is very important cause even christians dont understand the Trinity

[@FollowJesusLORD]

TESTIFY IS BACK GUYS!!!

[@smilepie5735]

John 3:16-21; John 14:6-7; Ephesians 2:8-9

[@LeoD-c6y]

The world: "don't believe in words believe in actions" / Jesus: works for 3 years non-stop / The world: "but did he ever claim to be God/Messiah?". And again the world confirms God's coming judgment is fair.

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

In layman's terms, God can do anything, so He *can* be both Jesus and God, at the same time, in two different places

[@Tobias-kk8zf]

Dear Sir-Thank you very much for this wondreful video. I have been having a horrible time recently due to my recurring clinical Depression and anxiety. Moreover a dear friend of mine, whom I believed was very knowledgeable regarding the faith, has publicly and sharply abandoned Christ. As such the past few days have been difficult in the extream. Yet thanks to your work I remember that we are unified to the Lord Jesus Christ in both his death and his glorification. Thank you and God love you.

[@therealdannymullen]

@2:14 God literally says "I am HIM!" 😂 ❤

[@123dsj123]

A “personhood” is not a human being. A “personhood” is the ability to think, to reason, and to be consciously aware of oneself. The Christian concept of a rock: A rock is one being with no personhood - there is no person (or personhood) inside the oneness of a rock. Therefore, a rock has no reference point from which to think, to reason, or to be consciously aware of itself. The Christian concept of a man: A man is one being with one personhood - there is one person (or personhood) inside the oneness of a man. Therefore, a man has one reference point from which to think, to reason, and to be consciously aware of himself. The Christian concept of God: God is one Being with three different Personhoods - there are three different Persons (or personhoods) in the “Oneness of God.” Therefore, God has three different reference points from which to think, to reason, and to be consciously aware of Himself. * The message of the Bible: Over 2,000 years ago, one of the three Persons (or personhoods) within the “Oneness of God” took upon Himself a human flesh by way of the Virgin Mary; and He dwelled amongst mankind. He died for the sins of mankind. Three days later, the God in whom there are three different Persons raised Him back to life. * Such great a love, a mercy, and a compassion for humanity was made possible by God, Himself. It could never be done by Allah, by a man, or by a demon - each of whom has only one person within his “oneness.” Only the “One True God” who is more within Himself, and different from our kind can accomplish such great a deed for us. God is alone, but He is not alone within Himself (or within His Oneness).

[@sirnetflix7162]

I would be careful with simply saying "Allah", it's just God in Arabic. And there are Arabic Christians who use the word to describe God in Christianity, so it would be more prudent to specify that you mean the Muslim interpretation of God.

[@123dsj123]

@@sirnetflix7162 Help me. How would you say, "Allah" to distinguish one Allah from another Allah?

[@sirnetflix7162]

@@123dsj123 I wouldn’t even use that word. Personally, I would just say “Islam’s God” or as I said before, “The muslim interpretation of God”. However, technically speaking, they do worship the same “God”, which is something I believe the current pope has said. The devil is in the details though. Islam simply has a different interpretation of who God is. No trinity, no divinity in Jesus, etc. However, they still believe in one true God above all of creation, who is all-powerful, knows all, etc. So, it’s shaky ground.

[@xyberlust]

@@123dsj123 Just call Jesus God, or the Son there are many ways to distinguish the God of the bible and the God of Muhammed

[@williamburroughs9686]

The way I look at Trinity is God is like H2O. Father, Son, Spirit. Ice, Water, Steam. As H2O can be in three different states, so God can be also. Note: Psalm 82.

[@eew8060]

Ahh, the "only God can do x" argument. I know it well. However, Trinitarians dont have a scriptural basis for the way they interpret the logical challenge they themselves present. At Luke we see the first part of their equation. "Only God can forgive sins" (Luke 5:21) But their conclusion doesn't match the Trinitarians, for when Jesus does X, they "praised God, who had given such authority to man" (Matthew 9:8) So the Jewish way to reason isn't to say: "Jesus is a compound unity with the being of GOD" NOPE. Only God does X Jesus does X God works through agents to do X So the actually pivot to a principle of agency. Even if the Trinitarians claim this is "wrong" there just isn't any evidence for a "only God does X" argument that ends in a multi-personal being conclusion! So you can't assume that the writer is setting his readers up for such a conclusion when there is zero evidence that "compound unity" was an interpretive principle at that time!

[@YouMayKnowMeAsNate]

I thought it was interesting for you to claim that plurality within God was not an interpretative principle at the time. In Jewish scholar Moshe Idel’s book Ben, he writes “There can be little doubt however that early Jewish theologoumena related to such a [hypostatic, supernal] son existed, as the books dealing with Enoch - in particular the Ethiopian one - and Philo’s views … concerning the Logos as Son or firstborn convincingly demonstrate, and likewise there can be little doubt that they informed the main developments in a great variety of the nascent Christologies. In the course of time, due to the ascent in Christianity of both the centrality and cruciality of son ship understood in diverse forms of incarnation, it seems that Jewish authors belonging to rabbinic circles attenuated and in some cases even obliterated the role of sons as cosmic mediators. Nevertheless, some of these earlier traditions apparently survived in traditional Jewish writings that were subsequently transmitted by rabbinic Judaism. Yet there is no reason to assume that only the literary corpora adopted by rabbinic Judaism mediated the late antiquity views of theophoric son ship to the more extensive corpora written in the Middle Ages, or that son ship survived only in the written documents” Another Jewish scholar Daniel Abrams wrote an article called “The boundaries of divine ontology” which includes “the understanding of the continuous or organic being of the divine, which extends from the simple unity of the godhead to a hypostatic manifestation, predates much of the Talmud” And “In a tradition from the Sar-Torah material of the Hekhalot texts … Metatron is described as "Metatron, Lord God of Israel, God of the heavens and the Earth." In the Book of Illumination written by the first known kabbalist in Castile … Metatron is called [Greek Text Omitted], logos” (Metatron, for context, is the name given to the character “the angel of the lord” in the Old Testament which is identified as a divine person)

[@YouMayKnowMeAsNate]

But maybe you’d rather I quote Jewish Targums (paraphrases of the Old Testament)? Targum Neofiti Genesis 1:26-28 “And the Lord said: Let us create man in our image, similar to ourselves, …. And the Word of the Lord created the son of man in his (own) image, in a resemblance from before the Lord he created him, male and his partner he created them. And the Glory of the Lord blessed them and the Word of the Lord said to them: Be strong and multiply” Targum Jerusalem Exodus 19:9,18 “And the Word of the Lord said to Mosheh, Behold, My Word will be revealed to thee in the thickness of the cloud... And all mount Sinai sent up smoke, because the glory of the Shekinah of the Lord was revealed upon it in flame of fire.” Targum Jonathan Leviticus 26:11-13 “And I will set the Shekinah of My Glory among you, and my Word shall not abhor you, but the Glory of My Shekinah shall dwell among you, and My Word shall be to you for a redeeming God, and you shall be unto My Name for a holy people. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out redeemed from the land of Mizraim”

[@eew8060]

@@YouMayKnowMeAsNate I gave scriptural examples of Jewish interpretive methods- an actual first century example where you see the Jews use _agency_ as an interpretive tool. The Moshe Idel example you cite gave no references. He mentions Enoch and Philo but I have Philo. I have Enoch. I don't know what examples from them he would cite to bolster his claim. (The Logos in Philo was Melchizedek, chief of the Angels. The firstborn. And Metatron in the Enochic traditions was called "the youth" and "the lesser YHWH" because he wasn't coequal nor coeternal with God. The Targums come later but involving the Word in creation only reflects Proverbs 8, Wisdom. Which in Enochic material could be an angel. Yeah, I know some Jewish scholars want to convey that Trinitarianism had early roots in Judaism but their data rarely matches their assertions.

[@Najaaza]

Yo bro please make a video about saying that Jesus claims to be God in the other gospels too. Because I always hear people say the Bible is corrupt because John is the only one supposedly talking about Jesus divinity

[@pearcejayw]

Hi bro, he already made videos about that, you can check this channel's shorts to find those.

[@Najaaza]

@ oh alright thank you

[@forrestgump5959]

JESUS CHRIST HOLY SON OF GOD AND GOD answered that once and for all already: Rev 21:6 Then he told me, "It has happened! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will freely give a drink from the spring of the water of life to the one who is thirsty. Rev 21:7 The person who conquers will inherit these things. I will be his God, and he will be my son. __I will be his God, __ __and he will be my son. __

[@samuellowekey9271]

If Jesus isn't God, then Yahweh didn't suffer the punishment for our sins. I wonder what the unitarians have to say about the accusation made by some people that God is unjust, because he commanded an innocent person to pay the price for the guilty, when the unitarians reject the claim that God was that innocent person.

[@wandering_circles7487]

But why would Yahweh pay for our sins, since he created us? Sure God is just... but he is not illogical.

[@samuellowekey9271]

@@wandering_circles7487 Do you think it is just to have an innocent person pay for the crimes of another?

[@samuellowekey9271]

@@wandering_circles7487 Hey, if you don't want to talk about it then it's OK, but it's God's perogative if he takes the punishment for our sins upon himself because he loves us.

[@abrahamissac5938]

The Demons were not just Afraid for No Reason & The Devil was Refuted For Tempting The Lord & Not a Servant.

[@funidertplayfrol188]

what god said at jesus watter baptism?... every word that is from him comes from me. God!!! if the spirit guides us like jesus said then he has gods holly spirit in him that speaks his voice.

[@Lsga_22]

I just want to say that this is very off. Just as an example, in Psalms 110:1, David says: “Jehovah declared to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.’” (NWT) These same words were cited by Jesus in Matthew 22:44, only to later explain, in verse 45, that, logically, Jesus is greater than David. The same text also claims that Jesus sits at God's right hand, therefore, claiming that they aren't the same person. Jesus cited from the scriptures a lot, and, as any son with his father, would use some of his expressions. That's how he talks about the people as sheep. If Jehovah, the father, is a good shepherd, his son would be too. In John 17:2, Jesus says: “As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.” (KJV) Jesus doesn't give eternal life because he is God, he does because God has given him the authority to do so. In John 17:21-23, people could understand that the Father and the Son are one and the same. However, verse 21 starts like this: “That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us...” (KJV) Clearly speaking about his disciples, he wasn't asking God to fuse them and make them the same person, or some sort of collective consciousness. He was asking him to make them follow the same goal. The same can be said about Jesus and God. They are the same because they follow the same purpose and act in similar ways, but not because they are the exact same person. In John 10:34-38 Jesus says that God's representatives were called "gods". Still, he called himself "the Son of God". If mere imperfect humans, sinners, could be called gods, why couldn't he? Yet, he called himself the Son of God to clearly differentiate himself from the Father. There is also another proof right when Jesus was baptized. Matthew 3:17 says: “And a voice from heaven said, ‘This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased.’” (CSB) That wouldn't have been necessary if he was, indeed, God himself. In Revelation 22:8, John tries to bow and worship the angel who was talking to him, and that angel advised him not to do it, as that kind of worship only belongs to God. And then, that same angel, who is speaking in behalf of God, says the known words: “I am Alpha and Omega”. Jesus doesn't speak until verse 16, saying his own name. The title “Alpha and Omega” is mentioned two other times, in Revelation 1:8 and 21:6. In both cases, it was clearly referring to God. Jesus' divinity is unquestionable, he was given authority as a ruler and judge over the Earth. He made the ultimate sacrifice, abandoned his life in heaven and died as an innocent man, in shame and excruciating pain just so we could have an opportunity to live forever. Still, he is not God, and he never made himself equal to his Father.

[@User-s7j5u]

"Still, he is not God, and he never made himself equal to his Father." 🙃 "I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" - Galatisns 2:21 The merits of mans works are insufficient for the purpose of salvation. Jesus HAD to be god in order to offer a perfect sacrifice. Not to mention, "But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me? We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, DECLARE YOURSELF TO BE GOD.” - John 10: 32 - 33

[@JayJay-kq8ol]

only God can give eternal life. Jesus gives it.

[@JayJay-kq8ol]

Jesus talks about God, God talks about Jesus. Why? Because God had a son, the son is the word of God made flesh; the Father and the Son, two different people, but one Godhead who paid the price for us

[@Spriktor]

He calls the Father greater than I since he humbled himself as a servant. Witu pentacost he returns to his divine state. Phillipians 2:7. He will judge in revelation. Who but God can judge? Christ being God is so on the nose its only unseen ahen covered by lies and twists

[@wrenithilduincats]

Considering how long this comment is, I can't even tell what you're trying to say lol. But yes, Jesus is separate person from the Father, but as only God can have the same abilities Jesus is shown to have, they are of one essence. The Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, making Him God too. Also, the NWT made a mistake. The verse you first quoted is "the LORD said to my Lord..." LORD, of course, being the word used to represent the Hebrew word YHWH, or 'I AM WHO I AM". A funny little your translation is btw. Isn't it strange that so many verses, such as John 1:1 had to be altered to disprove the Trinity? Please see Melissa Dougherty's video where she looks at passages such as Hebrews 1, using your NWT and the Kingdom Interlineary. To conclude, Jesus shares the same essence as the Father, meaning They're both God. When Jesus prays for the Church to be one, as They are one, it's to mean that the Church should be of one essence (for example, across denominations). How can anyone be divine except God? For to which of the angels has He ever said "Sit at my right hand, till I make Your enemies Your footstool?" (NKJV) 1Timothy 4:10 "For to this end we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those who believe." John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the was with God, and the Word was God (in the Greek, the preposition is excluded cause it's better grammar, people would know it's the same God as before, unless you're polytheistic, like JWs). vs.14 " The Word took on flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory of as of the only begotten Son of the Father (John 17:24, begotten before all worlds, ergo before time, ergo in eternity ergo He's God, ergo the Trinity), full of grace and truth."

[@thestoneclarksville]

Psalm 82 is best explained by Heiser's Divine Council Worldview. These "gods" are what Paul would later call "Powers and Principalities." That actually plays into understanding this passage, as Jesus is escalating the issue, He isn't just "a god" or "a son of god" but He is the monogones/ one of a kind son of God, He is YHWH.

[@theologyroom]

1. Jesus does not say "I am God" in John 10v22-30. You are interpreting that passage to fit your conclusion that he did. 2. In places where Jesus is recorded as saying the same things as YHWH, he was simply inserting Old Testament quotes into his own speech. He does that throughout the Gospels. It doesn't mean he is literally YHWH. 3. If you insist John 10v30 is telling us that Jesus is actually YHWH, then you'll have to admit that YHWH died on the cross, which is silly because it's not what the Bible teaches us. 4. Why on earth does it matter if the evil Pharisees thought Jesus was claiming to be God??? They also believed he was demon possessed and worked with demons!

[@Spriktor]

Casually akipping revelation showing the lamb judging the world. You cant deny the Son or you'll deny eternal life. Twisting to fit a narrative rather than true searching is a poor choice

[@theologyroom]

@@Spriktor If you're going to use Revelation to prove Jesus' deity, then you're going to have a bad time. Because in Revelation we read that Jesus (who you say is "God") has a God. "The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of *MY GOD* . Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of *MY GOD* and the name of the city of *MY GOD* the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from *MY GOD* and I will also write on them my new name". (Revelation 3v12) To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve *HIS GOD* and Father-to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. (Revelation 1V5-6) Now what? Does your God have a God?

[@wrenithilduincats]

3. Isn't such a beautiful thing that we can say our God died for us? The Trinity is provable, ergo this is taught in the Bible. 4. Cause they had their Scriptures freaking memorized. They _knew exactly_ who Jesus was. They knew the Scriptures better than anyone(except,for y'know, the Word of God, that is Jesus) . 1. Being of one essence, or one with, the Father makes one God with the Father. What wacko explanation did you come up with to actually refute this? 5. (Revelation thread) It's pretty well established that Jesus often calls the Father God, this doesn't contradict the Trinity, as all 3 are God, and _separate_ persons, another one of you guys was calling Jesus divine, so you might want to correct him. 2. Jesus wasn't just quoting the OT prophecies and reinterpreting them to be about the Messiah, He was literally taking Scripture and being like "this was written about Me, this applies directly to Me, this is about Me". Jesus taking a Scripture talking about YHWH (thought you were supposed to just say Jehovah bwe) and applying to Himself is Him showing Himself to be God.

[@theologyroom]

@@wrenithilduincats 3. Things are either true or not, whether they're beautiful or not is irrelevant. The Bible does not teach that God/YHWH died for anyone. It's always "Jesus died for our sins", not "YHWH died for our sins". Since Jesus died and YHWH didn't, Jesus is not one and the same as YHWH. 4. You mean the Pharisees knew Jesus was God and they still spat on him, hit him and sent him off to be executed? lol. 1.The idea of Jesus being of "one essence" with the Father has no biblical basis. If he was one God with the Father, then he would have been as Godly as the Father and would have known the "hour". But he didn't, which proves Jesus was never God. 5. In Revelation, Jesus isn't just calling the Father "God". He's described as saying he HAS a God. The same concept is described elsewhere in the Bible. In fact, Jesus prays to God. *So what now, does your God have a God?* 2. Throughout the Gospels, Jesus cited OT scripture where YHWH is speaking. That doesn't mean he was literally YHWH in the flesh.

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

John ch.17:22NKJV"And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one(greek Hen)just as We are one(greek hen)

[@Paladin_440]

@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Yep. That's theosis for you right there. "God became man so that men might become god." -Athanasius of Alexandria

[@shawnlindley5840]

It does not say we become God. Rather, it implies to me that humanity will have some similar relationship to itself. A unity of spirit and purpose.

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

@@shawnlindley5840 you're preaching to the choir I never argued that any creature can become the supreme being ,that would be as ridiculous as the claim that the Supreme being can become a creature. I was merely pointing out that the neuter one does not imply any kind of mystical incomprehensible oneness among the constituents mentioned.

[@lalaishappyyy]

your images are so funny i love them

[@isopodslug6365]

John 5:7 "For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one"

[@LordePhantom]

I'll give you one better, instead of Jesus saying he is God. How about God the Father, calling Jesus God in *Hebrews 1:8* not to mention *Isaiah 9:6-7*

[@danielreed3666]

AMEN!

[@sg1fan75]

Jesus said before Abraham I AM.

[@raUser9982]

John 5,25: "that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him." If you praise the Father as God, then you should praise the Son as God

[@danielreed3666]

AMEN! John 5:23

[@SusScrofaVulgaris]

Including the prophecies that specifically point to Jesus.

[@nathanmcgill7249]

That thumbnail looks like a lost Renaissance painting

[@Jesus_loves_you2004]

The thumbnail is so based 😂💯🔥🔥✝️

[@BardOfShwa]

John 10:30 isn’t just about the purpose Jesus shares with the Father. It’s about the *power* Jesus shares with the Father. “No one *can* take them out of my hand.” Mere creatures don’t have the same power that God has.

[@Ryan_Nath]

He doesn't share power, that's why he was given power. He has been given all authority. Can't be given something if he already had it. Like John 5:26 he granted the Son to have life in himself. Why would God need to do that if Jesus is co-equal and would already have that life spoken of ?

[@BardOfShwa]

@@Ryan_Nath By the same logic, God shouldn't be able to "inherit the nations" (Psalm 82), since He already owns them... right? But if the doctrine of the Trinity is true, then community exists within God's being, and it makes sense to talk of that gifts being given within that community. The universe is the gift that God gave to Himself. This is all the more true if Jesus is both human and divine--if he, as a human being, must receive the authority and kingship that is his by right of inheritance through David, even though he has always had it with regard to his divinity. Also, how does God giving a mere creature the unique power to keep His sheep fit with *any* unitarian setup? How does God giving that power to a mere creature *not* equal God "sharing his power" in some sense?

[@geodkyt]

Key context on that Psalm.passage referring to kings as "gods". At the time of its writing, it was common throughout the Near and Middle East for non-Hebrew kingdom to be titled as "god kings", and considered as ruling by virtue of being almost an avatar of the chief god of the city, having taken the earlier tradition that the king was the highest priest to that extreme. The Psalm is basically, "You posers say you're gods, but the True God will judge you all in the end. Get rekt, scrub."

[@Person29-fz4ql]

This is such a terrible argument. The Greek word for "one" in John 10:30 is in the neuter form, indicating being "one" in purpose. _The glory that you have given me I have given to them, _*_that they may be ONE even as we are ONE_*_ - John 17:22_ Jesus also said that he wanted his disciples to be "one" even as he is "one" with the Father. Does that make his disciples a single being as well? Obviously not. If his disciples being "one" doesn't make them a single being, neither does it make Jesus and the Father a single being. You're also ignoring why Jesus said "I give them eternal life" in John 10:28. Jesus did not intrinsically have the ability to give people eternal life. He had this ability because the Father *GRANTED IT TO HIM* _For as the Father has life in himself, _*_so he has GRANTED the Son also to have life in himself._*_ - John 5:26_ In John 10:33-36, Jesus is obviously saying that other Sons of God can also be called "gods" without it breaking scripture: _If he called them gods to whom the word of God came _*_-and Scripture cannot be broken-_*_ 36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am God's Son? - John 10:35-36_ If even those disobedient Sons of God could be called "gods" without it breaking scripture, then certainly Jesus wasn't guilty of blasphemy when all he ever did was call himself "God's Son". Stop twisting scripture.

[@FishermensCorner]

@@Person29-fz4ql only God saves... literally Jesus' purpose.

[@JesusPerez-wd3tq]

Heretic debate me boi Yiu quote john 17 to prove it is one in purpose well john 17 does NOT help you at all... the context is clearly talking about the human nature in that very chapter jesus said "you in me and I in them" So the disciples were only one with God in purpose because of the son who is fully God and fully man and paul clarifys as well "The only mediator between God and man THE MAN jesus christ" So clearly its talking about the human nature. And go to john 17 10 can a creature claim that EVERYTHING the father has is his? What type of weak God do unitarians worship.

[@Person29-fz4ql]

@@FishermensCorner _Therefore you gave them into the hand of their enemies, who made them suffer. And in the time of their suffering they cried out to you and you heard them from heaven, and according to your great mercies _*_YOU GAVE THEM SAVIORS who saved them from the hand of their enemies._*_ - Nehemiah __9:27_ God sent his people many saviors, does that make all of those saviors God as well? Obviously not. *_God saves us by means of his Son Jesus. God sent him to be our savior._* _And we have seen and testify that _*_the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world._*_ - 1 John 4:14_ *_God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior,_*_ to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. - Acts 5:31_

[@Person29-fz4ql]

@@JesusPerez-wd3tq _For as the Father has life in himself, _*_so he has GRANTED the Son also to have life in himself._*_ - John 5:26_ Why does Jesus need to be granted anything if he's God? He was *_GRANTED_* the ability to give people eternal life.

[@JesusPerez-wd3tq]

And john 5 26 does not help you in fact it refutes uniterianism "The father gave that to the son" Yeah every trinitarian believes that the son gets his origin from the father and that includes his attributes.... But you believe God gave his life or essence to a creature? So that same life that the father has is given to the son ok buddy.

[@angryfoxzd5233]

To put it simply the holy trinity "the father the son and holy spirit" are the same entity Jesus wasn't just the son of God but was God in human form and was able to conect to his people this way to better spread his message. Jesus was a part of God himself and is one all powerful being that is all around us and inside us and we cant escape that...... Literally an entity beyond mortal comprehension! Amen bro.

[@jgrahamiii7749]

Well the Greek tense for "one" in John 10:30 is the neuter tense, which means it can be translated 'one in purpose'. I had a Greek scholar tell me that, because of that fact, John 10:30 should never be used to argue in favor of the trinity. I have found the best way to explain the relationship Jesus has with His Father is to look at the 'type and shadow" of Pharoah and Joseph. Essentially, Pharoah in giving Joseph his signet ring, and telling him that all the affairs of his kingdom would now be Joseph's to rule, made Joseph "Pharoah". The only aspect Pharoah did not give Joseph were the matters concerning the throne room only. So it is with the Father and the Son. There is a lot of verbiage that has crept into the concept of the Trinity, which etymologically speaking means "tri-unity" but was not understood to be "tri-identity" until the Roman Church got hold of it.

[@harrygarris6921]

I think we should be really cautious with claiming that the early Christians didn’t understand these things. We have very few surviving writings from the first couple of centuries. Also the church has historically done much of her theologizing through clarifying her position in response to heresies and this isn’t the same thing as developing previously unknown doctrines.

[@SantaFe19484]

Awesome video!

[@AustGM]

What would be your response to John 17 where he says the disciples are one the same way him and the Father are?

[@darkwolf7740]

Essentially, he is talking about the shared purpose and mission of the disciples in relation to the unity within the trinitirian relationship between The Father and The Son.

[@johngregory4801]

Of course, you could pull out Psalm 45:6-7 and Hebrews 1:8-9 where Father God says the King he sends to rule his people Israel is God, and that this same King bows to Father God. Or Jeremiah 23:5-6 where he calls the righteous Branch he promised David to raise up in his house Jehovah Tsidkenu, the Lord our Righteousness, the very thing he promised Jesus in Isaiah 53:12, giving him one of the Jehovah names Father God was known by in the OT as "a portion with the great".

[@truthnotfeelings]

Hey Testify I think it would be in your best interest to directly address the arguments of Unitarians, not parody them. This would lead to more productive discourse

[@TestifyApologetics]

Their arguments parody themselves

[@truthnotfeelings]

@@TestifyApologetics see that’s my point, brother that’s not a productive answer. Is our goal gospel truth? Well if a Unitarian believes you’re parodying their arguments instead of honestly and intellectually engaging with them they will not change their position. Best would be to study a Unitarian’s points (Buzzard, Tuggy , Finnegan), accurately represent them, then provide a bible based critique.

[@RealHorhay]

@@truthnotfeelings There has already been discussion. There has already been hundreds of years of debate. The case is closed. There is nothing to talk about.

[@truthnotfeelings]

@@RealHorhay respectfully you are not getting my point. People rarely reconsider their own position until they are convinced it is faulty. This is why it is important you accurately engage with the arguments of others and why we invented the term ‘strawman’ It would be best for Testify to study and understand a prominent Unitarian, quote them and provide a critique of their points

[@ryanpowell9003]

All four gospels start by identifying Jesus as YHWH by having him fulfill Isaiah 40:3