TF2: The Ultimate Medieval Mode Tier List

[@garbageyoutubechannel310]

what kind of psychopath calls the spells by their latin names instead of 'fireball' or 'blast jump' or 'invisibility'... anyway nice video

[@LeRuseBird]

I ain't calling the spells that after reading the wiki and seeing "blast jump" then wasting several days trying to get a fruitless market garden on sandcastle lmao

[@specterknight873]

Merasmus does

[@coleminer8847]

ITS WIZARD TIME MOTHER F-

[@azurethescaletipper210]

A dramatic one!

[@ratte6090]

@@coleminer8847FIREBALLLLL!

[@TJ-Henry-Yoshi]

Happy to maintain my role as the semantics guy. Great video!

[@rainbowfrog1239]

Glad to see you embrace the joke, TJ "Henry" Yoshi

[@JackieKog]

Don't even play anymore since I've got mom duties but had to catch this after seven years. Fantastic work on this, actually enjoyable to watch and listen to with vocal confidence which so many videos of these sorts tend to lack

[@diba9281]

Feel bad for your kids lol

[@JackieKog]

@@diba9281 That's okay, sometimes I do too and feel like I could do better. Regardless I hope you have a good day today and whatever compels you to say things like that to people leaves your life soon so you can live more happy

[@diba9281]

@@JackieKog I'm happy, i wouldn't be happy being born to a smex worker

[@JackieKog]

​@@diba9281 I was able to leave that for my kids, I do therapy now especially for those who were coerced into that industry so I would say I made it out pretty okay. So much anger and hate in this world these days I don't think more is needed in a fun KZbin video's comment section

[@diba9281]

@@JackieKog still though they are gonna get bullied cus of that, again I feel bad for them

[@pikukax11]

40:08 the addition of The Millionaire's Holiday for the Tribalman's Shiv is such a throwback. I love it!

[@mrstudent9125]

Can't wait for Ultimate ultimate tier list in 7 years.

[@ludwigiapilosa508]

All you have to do to always win defending medieval mode is just to have a scout constantly throw mad milk on everyone. My Berghausen assist record is 106, while dominating 11 players at once, achieved by doing nothing else but chucking milk. The distance from the point to the supply cabinet is very short. If your teammates stay by the point, blue team can NEVER win.

[@dracobellator1164]

I still find it weird that Scout is allowed his mad milk but sniper isn't allowed jarate.

[@DaQuestioningCrustacean]

Glass vs plastic containers is my guess, same for gas passer gas cans

[@redstonewarrior0152]

​@@DaQuestioningCrustacean Both jars are glass though And the gas passer is a metal can My bet is that jarate was "deemed too strong" or what not The jarate chop combo may have been deemed "to easy" to pull off when your opponent is also trying to cut your head off.

[@GoodlyData86596]

⁠@@redstonewarrior0152also, apparently gasoline wasn’t invented by the medieval period, I don’t think this is an intentional omission though considering it took several years for valve to decide that maybe the gas passer is so ass that it allowing pyro to non situationally neon crit on his own (meaning without the aid of a map inherent source of “wet” application) wouldn’t be that overpowered. Also the official explanation for jarate’s exclusion is that the art of jar based karate (also known as jarate) wasn’t invented in the tf2 world by medieval times, so that specific form of throwing piss at other people wouldn’t have existed. (This is a certified “We *totally* aren’t banning this because it’s op, but we aren’t complaining about that side effect of our *100% lore related reasoning only* decision to ban this thing.” Game dev moment)

[@DaQuestioningCrustacean]

@@redstonewarrior0152 sorry I meant the plastic cap on the jarate edit: but yeah karate bushwacka may have been too stupid lol let alone the free damage bonus for all teammates

[@dracobellator1164]

@@DaQuestioningCrustacean um both the jarate and the madmilk are glass, they both shatter when thrown.

[@Xesh]

the amount of clips you got the for sanvich is insane. TF2 is a psychological wonder

[@onitheogre]

Great video! Loved the analyses of the classes and the map strategies

[@Napinger]

I wish there was a spear melee for pyro called "For Honor" that functioned like phlog, used the default phlog taunt and had a voiceline that screams "FOR HONOR" everytime you use the taunt

[@ZeppyDingus]

Every time I see vids like this I'm inspired to pick up mapping again to forge a new Medieval Map for TF2.

[@LeRuseBird]

If you do, hit me up

[@danielsurvivor1372]

57:01 Honestly a shame nobody bothered to cover othee cool TF2 niche gamemodes, it genuinely feels like they only cover medieval because you showcased that it has trend potential, if only other niche TF2 gamemodes had as passionate of fans as you were for medieval 😅

[@LeRuseBird]

I'm sure one day some huge mannpower fan will come out with a big ol' video like this and the world will learn to love again

[@MaxTheSwagMasterC]

super high quality vid, love all the small details. shoutouts for playing the christian brutal sniper music when you got to the shiv

[@Jonsskillfulmove]

historic gabe newell defense moment

[@MarkTheDevourer]

It’s so weird seeing this video pop up one day in my recommended feed and I’m happy it did. I watched that original tier list video when I was in middle school. Now I’m in college! What a treat. Also I liked how you referred to pyro as a he and a she. That’s totally something valve would do to mess with the fans.

[@Manthislampiscool]

Finally. A robot roller disco derby dodgeball rep

[@LeRuseBird]

all 4 of us gotta stick together

[@Cysco8575]

Engineer not having any kind of gimmick or medieval weapon or item that can support the team is a crime against engineer mains. Seriously, every class that is not demoknight, medic or sniper have something that make them viable in medieval but engineer not? Not even a lazo that can stun enemies or drag enemies?

[@SilentMX]

Each class “gimmick” in this mode is really just having weapons that aren’t restricted, hoping that Valve would create a particular mechanic solely for one class that only is present in this gamemode is expecting way too much lol, especially since the mode as a whole was almost exclusively designed for Demoknights to run wild. But who knows, maybe a community update could add new stuff and help revitalize this mode in the future

[@Cysco8575]

@@SilentMX Also Demoknight is so good that is even viable outside of medieval, same goes for the Crossbow. But you're right, is a shame that Valve abandoned medieval for so long and, despite the new maps, medieval is still abandoned since no class got a "medieval update" since the initial release. I sure hope a community update add new stuff for medieval mode like you said. For the moment we only have Custom Weapons medieval mode for TF2C.

[@michaeljo9384]

@@Cysco8575 Competitive 6s/Highlander/Prolander: *Laugh in stale META because Valve is now not doing balance changes except last TF2 developer standing*

[@Cysco8575]

@@michaeljo9384 I don't play competitive so I don't understand your comment. Can you explain please?

[@michaeljo9384]

@@Cysco8575 Competitive is just Casual but instead playing for fun first, you play for win first. So anything other than the META is useless or too situational (for 6s, 2 Scouts, 2 Soldiers, 1 Demo*man* and 1 Medic, team with Demoknight subclass is too weak against team with Demoman and so with every meme weapon and playstyles. Also rebalance ideas only apply to community server as Valve only give TF2 like 1-2 developers that are barely running it without exploits or being ruined.)

[@coolmanwilliams7069]

16:45 From the screen to the ring to the pen to the king!!!👑👑👑😂😂😂😂😂 datebayyo!!!! Nice reference to the like uh… GREATEST song EVA!!!!!!

[@barabangovioshkin6617]

Forsooth, say I, dope

[@milliondollarmistake]

I gotta disagree with Soldier using the half-zat better than Demo. Soldier might have slightly better bulk but Demo's ability to charge plus his extra movement speed gives him wayyy more opportunities to get kills and to escape danger. Soldier is too slow for either. My goto Heavy loadout is the KGB with the Dalokahs Bar. To me the steak's extra movement speed has never really made up for the extra damage taken. With the steak you're basically just a budget Demoknight except without the charge or the extra melee range. Demoknight gives plenty of crits/minicrits so all you're really getting is a little extra team support and a little extra base health (unless the Demoknight is using the Eyelander with a couple of heads). That's why I personally prefer the chocolate bar to play into Heavy's strength of being a tank with a massive healthpool. Since 90% of the weapons used in this mode are melee weapons come up to you eventually, whether it's because you're on the point or you're going up to someone defending their point. Honestly putting Sniper in C/B tier is a little crazy. Having the strongest ranged weapon in a gamemode that's again 90% melee focused is huge.

[@SilentMX]

I imagine the reason he has for Soldier using the Half-Zatoichi “better” is that it gives him a counter to Half-Zat Demos, as well as the fact that Demo has a wider variety of good options compared to Soldier in this mode, so Soldier having the Half-Zat is very appreciated. I do agree though that Demo makes use of it better, and I definitely also find Sniper being in C/B tier crazy. Having access to the strongest ranged option in the mode makes him way better than Scout and even Soldier most of the time in my opinion.

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Finally, the Comeback of the KING. Please, can you also do tier list for other obscure niche TF2 gamemodes? I've been asking for ages and I'm sure you can do it, because TF2 has tons of varied gamemodes like medieval mode 🙏

[@keebee46]

Dude I'm so gosh darn happy to see this ye ol' tango for the third time its so good

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

The equalizer is the best weapon for consistently filling the banner as damage is damage even if it's over the classes health pool i.e. a 300 damage crit swing on a scout still fills the meter up by 300 damage.

[@trashbeast]

extra point to the escape plan: taking minicrits is less impactful against melee damage! minicrits are strong because they negate damage falloff, like crits, but include damage ramp-up, unlike crits. but melee damage has no ramp-up or falloff, so it's purely the +33% damage! though it does still make fire and bleed more dangerous.

[@Suddsy11037]

4:16 that spot is actually of great importance if you play dr kunai spy like me. The fall damage puts you lower than melee one shot range so the negation of it on rollout using that rock is a pretty big deal.

[@gnome2408]

i like how you refer to pyro as “he” and “she”, referencing the ambiguity of their gender. it reminds me of how the character bmo from adventure time is referred the same way (bc he’s a lil baby robot :)). really nice attention to detail!

[@Solid_Hank]

Didn't expect to hear Stronghold Crusader music lol

[@RoyDJ1069]

WOOD NEEDED

[@storms888]

As a fellow content creator, loved the video! Subscribed!

[@austinfletchermusic]

16:45 the HUH?

[@Blue9Fairy]

finally an update on the meta that we needed so much

[@Cory_]

Berghausen fish scout is the most fun I've had in TF2 in a long time.

[@deaglan6641]

the old school feel of this video is nice. Small things like referencing the blog posts by mixing the pronouns of the pyro and other lore tidbits is cool to see

[@mochiman6307]

Love the themes for each class, crash for sniper fits

[@Ban-zx9se]

Holy shit is that TJ "Henry" Yoshi

[@spacebananas7856]

I didn't even know a new medival map was released holy crap we are so back

[@2copy3copy4cpoy]

No need to panic, Ratty, no need to PANIC! Stay calm! Stay calm!!!!!!

[@thedarkgeneral1783]

At the start of the video, "why am I being irradiated?

[@ДимасКамаз-ю5з]

I love so much how you cant use modern weapons in medival yet both soli pickaxes give you a literal granade. The holy hand granade?

[@i8dacookies890]

Ah yes, the only reason the Sharpened Volcano Fragment is in the game.

[@GizmoTheUmbreon]

50:33 Swastika jumpscare

[@A_dem]

finally got some time to watch it, as always very interesting to watch, you can also tell you recently played mother 3 :^)

[@CatsLilaSalem]

The Stronghold music tho 😅

[@mrstudent9125]

23:43 Bullshit. 175 hp is a lot worse than 200 hp because a melee ctir insta kills you.

[@levzarechny8941]

Wait, there is a second official medieval map?

[@tescogourmet7293]

Great video! I feel like I’m fluent in Latin now

[@danielsurvivor1372]

Honestly a surprising tier list, both Sniper and Spy fell off in your list hard, and while I sort of agree, I think both have huge potential to be A-S tier depending on skill

[@sergeychistov8162]

Stronghold music hit hard

[@boros4925]

Dude really came back...

[@mrstudent9125]

47:41 Holy Mary, Mother of Joseph!

[@citrusthepenguin]

haha funny crossbow go doink

[@coolmanwilliams7069]

41:47 is it better to do the high jump for the medium health pack or to walk to the small health pack

[@vasxus]

is that a houwar?

[@MalomainfromDOOMED]

is the heavy part theme bridge to liansky from stalker slowed down?

[@SilentMX]

Can’t say I agree with Scout being above Sniper or even Spy personally, most of the time Scouts are practically deadweight on either team in my experience since they just flop around doing no real damage and Mad Milk doesn’t make a big difference a lot of the time, not to mention they’re often easy fodder for a Heavy to start a KGB chain. The one shot potential of Sniper and Spy alone makes them much more useful than Scout imo, at least on defense. I may just be biased because I played a lot of Burgenhausen during the Summer update and most Scouts I saw cared more about farming points and duel wins with Mad Milk rather than actually helping their team, or uselessly running up to someone with melee and dying quickly. Also not exactly relevant to the tier list but killing someone with a Huntsman headshot by shooting through spawn gates as Sniper on Burgenhausen is the greatest feeling while playing Medieval Mode lmao

[@Merapsco]

This is nice vid

[@rainbowfrog1239]

Can you collect watch for charging demoknights in only half a degroot keep?

[@videoghost]

Instant like and subscribe for the Stronghold Crusader music

[@glowdonk]

I can't believe an enemy from Earthbound has 10K subs

[@Danny-xh5bf]

Nice video bro

[@arbiter771]

Spells ruin medival mode, degroot is peak

[@ДимасКамаз-ю5з]

Tha zatoichi is back and black :skull:

[@TylerGoatMan]

47:17 Wait, that actually has specific reasons for killing you? I thought it was just if you didn't get a kill while the spell was active for the last 3 years!

[@Chaos_Vergil]

It's been a while since I played Medieval Mode, but are you not able to equip the Jarate? I understand that it's definitely OP, especially in this game mode, but did they make it so that you can't use it BECAUSE it's OP? If that's not the reason, then there's no excuse for it to be removed from the mode since it's just a jar of piss.

[@mrlampy]

I think degroot keep is the worse of the two medieval maps as it’s built much more in favour for demoman, with intended trimp spots and everything

[@arcitatious]

I rly like how you refer to pyro by both she and he

[@redstonewarrior0152]

Ok. You got the damage for both backstabs and honor bound kills wrong. Honor bound kills deal 2x current heath while backstabs deal 6x current health. Both attacks have a base damage of 2x the opponents base health but the backstab deals 6x thanks to backstabs always critting. Another thing to mention, swing speed only affects how fast your follow up hits come out. The first swing on the übersaw hits at the same time as the first hit on the jag. Melee swings always hit 0.2 seconds after you click.

[@dracobellator1164]

also you forgot to mention that the hot hand is the only melee that doesn't break the invisibility spell.

[@LeRuseBird]

I did not know that lmao

[@spacegators1775]

The huntsman bullet to fire dmg change is a myth its not true after burn is the only fire dmg the huntsman can do

[@aim1597]

I wonder how much better engi would be if he was allowed to use his secondaries. Granted it doesn't make much sense but maybe he made built a time machine out of wood or something

[@IwanRoberts-m8j]

Only slightly as he can short circuit arrows, but wrangler does nothing and pistol will exist, I think buildings (expect sentries, maybe not mini sentries) would make him better

[@aim1597]

@IwanRoberts-m8j absolutely! Especially the dispenser would give him some more supportive use. I think the pistol would be more useful than you think though, it'd be the only hitscan weapon in the gamemode, way more reliable then arrows and stuff

[@IwanRoberts-m8j]

@@aim1597 yeah, but in comparison to other weapons the pistols quite weak, it would have a use though, and give engie some unique use

[@carverer]

White Demoman with 2 eyes at 3:27

[@liliataneva5874]

Why tf is that thare

[@tibby7709]

I adore you use of all the pronouns with pyro, mad respect

[@benro6564]

wow I sure do wonder who number 1 is

[@grimreaper1542]

Really just ignored the Market Gardener huh. I'll have you know if the enemy demo hits you with the ullapool caber you can get a crit with the Market Gardener. Absolutely broken weapon in Medieval

[@LeRuseBird]

I could never 21:31

[@odkjqedlkd]

Very nice vid

[@Rukir]

oh hell yeah

[@coleminer8847]

Gotta love how you did the funny pronoun shenanigans with pyro

[@wizard_4194]

27:05 someone got upset in the chat...

[@Ban-zx9se]

Disappointed you didn't talk about the solemn vow. Solemn Vow vs Amputator in Medieval Mode Solemn Vow: * 74dps (+) * 195 crit 1 taps 6/9 classes but ALSO eyelander demos with up to 1 head (++) * Crit + crossbow combo will always pass the 200h threshold taking down batts soldiers, kunai spies, and even eyelander demos with up to 3 heads (++) * No crit + 38d crossbow still combos Big Earner spies (+) * Passive, impactful buff (++) Amputator: * 65dps (-) * 156 crit 1 taps 5/9 classes (-) * Crit + crossbow combo will fairly consistently fall under the 200h threshold, as xbow does 38d point blank (-) * Active, marginally impactful buff (++) * Taunt (+++) * Input to initate taunt can bug out randomly, preventing the taunt (-)

[@LeRuseBird]

37:21 is where I talk about it but I like your analysis

[@Ban-zx9se]

i swear i mustve blacked out or something .-.

[@pillgrimm]

stop calling the spells that

[@kahonk269]

16:45 KSI

[@LeRuseBird]

oh that's why some people keep pointing it out

[@sonicmeerkat]

6:30 i mean the neon now works with the gas passer so there is a second case, not sure how strong one garanteed crit is but it's not like the secondary slots in use *wait i'm dumb it's the only splash weapon not available in that mode lol, jirate i spose for filling the same purpose lol

[@LazT11]

so pyro is a she

[@wizard_4194]

i have no idea why he calls pyro a woman lmao

[@CidCDdrafts]

16:44 I'm unsubscribing.

[@dmitro-]

Dude calls pyro "she"