Nautical, iRocker and Blackfin / inflatable paddleboard range overview

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Nautical, iRocker and Blackfin are boards that we get lots of questions about at SUPboarder. All three come under the iRocker brand but they are very different from each other, with very different price points, and available in different sizes and constructions, with different fittings. In this SUPboarder overview video we help you understand what makes the boards different and which would be best for you.
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@BenTedesco
@BenTedesco 3 жыл бұрын
The comparisons as well as explanation of the weight differences is fantastic! Thank you!!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@JonLMcNair
@JonLMcNair 4 жыл бұрын
I never stress equipment or brands. When I start any new activity I will buy minimal gear and the cheapest I can fine. If I enjoy the activity or love it as I do Paddle Boarding, I upgrade to the best value product I am willing to pay for and that will fit my specific need. They ways that people use paddle boards is so different each product will serve different individuals best. Great work at making the this distinction in the model choices. Happy Paddling!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@fiveeyes2802
@fiveeyes2802 3 жыл бұрын
Good idea, Jonathan.
@carolking249
@carolking249 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. Very informative. I chose the Nautical for my daughter. We took it out on the bay and it was amazing! We packed a lunch, towels and blanket in our 30L dry bag and headed for a less populated beach spot. Our combined weight is 235 lbs and we had no trouble with the board. We took turns paddling while the other sat/laid-back on the board. I know she will have many more years of fun on this board! I'm thinking I need the Blackfin-X for me and my husband! Thanks again!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! We have just finish doing a video of the Model X board, so look out for that on on our channel soon. Thanks Reuben
@christophersalice4917
@christophersalice4917 3 жыл бұрын
Solid review - thanks! Am definitely considering the blackfin for a fishing sup.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@grahambrookes7530
@grahambrookes7530 3 жыл бұрын
Just the review I've been looking for. Thankyou.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
cool
@donash3199
@donash3199 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this detailed overview. It will assist us in making our final decision on which board to purchase.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff Don
@jcam783
@jcam783 2 жыл бұрын
Great review , I have been wanting to try paddle boarding for quite some time . 2022 may be the year !
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Let's hope you get on the water soon! Thanks for the comment, Beau
@crashmediauk8471
@crashmediauk8471 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a brilliant video, looking to start this sport following a brilliant taster session, going to buy the Nautical board very soon.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Have fun!
@kristenmurphy4122
@kristenmurphy4122 3 жыл бұрын
We bought Blackfins as our very first board and LOVE them. They may be too much for what we need (we don't fish), but they are so stable, so pretty, take all our gear (kit). Could not be happier with them.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback Kristen
@TheSaddleTramp
@TheSaddleTramp 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Considering the iRocker All Around 11' for my first board. This really helped inform my decision.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Glad we could help! Thanks, Beau
@kerrycolson4705
@kerrycolson4705 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant clip. All the info I needed to make an informed choice. Very well narrated to. Thankyou.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@yannih1782
@yannih1782 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant review!!! Thank you for a great informative effort. It will be the iRocker for me...
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@whattheheck3553
@whattheheck3553 3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. Fantastic review. Very detailed information.
@dan25730
@dan25730 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, very informative, thanks. After much deliberation about which board I should get for the family’s first isup, I have settled on the Nautical.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Good choice!
@grantdesmonie4928
@grantdesmonie4928 3 жыл бұрын
Is it plastic?
@fapfpv2832
@fapfpv2832 4 жыл бұрын
I brought an iRocker all round 11 early last year -UK- (im 6ft 2 and 100kg so needed a larger board + loads of storage space for dry bags for a good day out) - its bloody brilliant and really well made and pretty tough and good quality accessories - was more than i wanted to spend originally but glad i did - well worth the money and great service from iRocker. If i was buying again id probably still go qith the mid range iRocker - does everything i want to.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for noting down your feedback it's really important we hear what existing customers think of the brand and their boards. 👍🏼
@grantplayford7442
@grantplayford7442 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing, just looking to buy an iRocker.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Perfect!
@michielvanderdussen5045
@michielvanderdussen5045 4 жыл бұрын
Very good review! Thanks!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@florjangjolaj4436
@florjangjolaj4436 2 жыл бұрын
My review of the 11'6" Nautical. Ive paddled about 30km+ so far mostly open ocean, island to island through big chop. 5'9" 145lbs athletic male Build quality is great. The front n rear handles are a must when loading into the water. My middle fin couldnt lock in place at first, it was literally just 2mm too thick in one spot to slot in securely. So i just shaved off that 2mm and it slotted in just fine. Other than that, all seams were perfect, it feels great and firm in the water. Performance. I took it on a glass water lake and had a friend join me (total weight on board 300lbs) and it was great! Such a cruiser on calm conditions. But i like to ride open ocean and eventually want to do white water river runs. In open ocean chop with some rolling waves 3-6ft high this was a dream. I caught a few waves and felt super stable as long as i was using good technique. Even though its not a touring board, it cuts through chop head on well enough. But does suffer from the round head getting sucked to the water surface and slapping in rough rolling conditions (many iSUPS suffer from this) i may adjust my technique more. It also catches a few waves pretty decently. Step back turns are a bit harder because of the length and size but doable. I will note, due to rear bungee placement, if you have anything strapped down back there you cant make a step back turn as easy if youre trying to be sporty. It also doesnt feel the best because youre standing on bungees when doing a step back, but this isnt meant to be super sporty (that won't stop me from trying) The bungees are great quality and im so excited to gear up some wet bags and go out for an expedition! But i will remove the 2 side fins and go for a longer main one for that speed bonus, the Nautical has a great glide and id like to max that out. The bag is good quality, it does chafe around the neck if you dont utilize the waist strap enough so my plans to hike up to mountain lakes may need some adjusting. Hand pumping gets a lot easier once you learn the technique (yes there is a technique bahahaha). I used to have to take 2 breaks and pumping would take 5/6 minutes, now it takes me about 3.5 minutes non stop. Overall, id easily recommend it. I was deciding between the Nautical and the Sport. I may see if there is somewhere i can test drive the Sport version as im loving the one i have now! If you have any questions lemme know!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the in-depth insights into the Nautical 11'6. Sounds like it's a great board and working for you. We agree there could be some adjustments made and you bring out some good points about the fin set-ups for faster paddling and the bag needs adjusting for longer carrying. If you try the Sport, we'd love to hear your thoughts on the difference between them. Seems like it might solve the issue you have with the rear bungees. Thanks again, Beau
@Deniz-tj8tx
@Deniz-tj8tx 2 жыл бұрын
Does it glide faster when you remove 2 side fins? I’m also considering to buy the iRocket Sport, would really love to hear ur thoughts about it 😊
@knowbody4903
@knowbody4903 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome review brotha... I just bought the 11.6 ; haven't taken it out yet. I'm 6'2, 190... , I'm assuming I will enjoy it as much as you despite my extra weight
@cgal3547
@cgal3547 4 жыл бұрын
I have the black fin model XL 2020 that thing is a beast. I’m 6’1” around 250lbs and that thing is rigid on the water.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you're happy with it Pedro
@fiveeyes2802
@fiveeyes2802 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Pedro. I’m the same size and was wondering if it would be ok for me.
@funnyfail3909
@funnyfail3909 3 жыл бұрын
I am also the same size.... was wondering if I could comfortably carry a 50 lb dog with me and like 20-30 lbs in gear.... or is that pushing it?
@cgal3547
@cgal3547 3 жыл бұрын
It’s holds up to 485lbs or 220 kg
@funnyfail3909
@funnyfail3909 3 жыл бұрын
@@cgal3547 dang fast reply!!! But yea I see that spec listed, I am curious yo hear from a customer, and their first hand experience... especially since we are about the same size. Have you personally paddled with a 50lb dog... or small kid and some gear? Was it crowded? Did it paddle/ manuever well still?
@chinniewong7495
@chinniewong7495 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for comparing ALL 3 models of iRocker SUP👏 Really helpful to compare differences and evaluate my needs👏👏
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect, that's exactly what the video was meant for :-)
@zauwee
@zauwee 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review. Thanks.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@bergy798
@bergy798 3 жыл бұрын
I live in South Florida and just bought a Blackfin X... Still waiting on delivery, should be here Wed. ... While ordering I found out they were offering the Kayak kit with the purchase at no additional charge... I thought that was pretty cool... Getting a lot more than I expected but that's a good thing...Excited to get out on the water with it... Appreciate the video... Helps with understanding what I'm getting into...
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds good Bergy
@lionellgonzalez
@lionellgonzalez 2 жыл бұрын
This was very helpful, thank you!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
good stuff
@rianmarr4379
@rianmarr4379 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful! Thank you! 🌺
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@tbartley
@tbartley 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks :D
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@AquaSportsPlanet
@AquaSportsPlanet 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I just took my first iRocker out yesterday. The Nautical 10’ “6 in Blue. We also grabbed the iRocker All-Around 11’ in grey, which we hope to get out of its box this weekend. So far I’m not sure 10’ 6” is long enough for us.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff have fun and let us know your thoughts.
@tip9252
@tip9252 3 жыл бұрын
How do you like the nautical?
@codynewman3626
@codynewman3626 4 жыл бұрын
My wife’s board is the irocker all around 11. She loves it. Weird thing is those action mounts. They are m8 threads but hardly anything uses those
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback Cody. Glad the 11' is a winner.
@georgereutov2997
@georgereutov2997 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome review thank you
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@KeyWestGlenn
@KeyWestGlenn Жыл бұрын
I have the cruiser 10 in orange of course :) The thing is a tank and great for fishing
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag Жыл бұрын
Glad you like your Crusier and that it works for you when fishing! Thanks for the comment. Beau
@rvail136
@rvail136 3 жыл бұрын
I have 2 blackfins...and my GF & I love them.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them Richard
@angieponso5697
@angieponso5697 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you great info
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@chris7384bu
@chris7384bu 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 Blackfin Model X. I can highly recommend iRocker, very good quality boards. No faults yet in 2 years of regular sea use.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Great, thanks for letting us know your feedback and how you're still loving your iRocker.
@leoshell9399
@leoshell9399 2 жыл бұрын
Looked for BlackFin XL, nowhere to be found. It's a great fucking world we are living in... Love your video, hate this world. :)
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Very true Leo. Hard to find anything available. Hope you sort it soon.
@oldskull70
@oldskull70 3 жыл бұрын
That’s was a very open and clarification review ! Some points I would like to complain as wrapped in plastic thing and the aluminum paddle ! As starboard always packed with card boards , the other brands must change their minds about that ! And us , the customers , must push them in the direction to avoid plastic . Other suggestion is that they would offer how to chose a different paddle material , if you want - because at the end is more material to discard in the future ! Is there some brand that came without a paddle ? It might be better in the future ! And about the bags - they also always try to offer a better quality and recycled materials ! Thanks again for your review and please take account of these comments as you are more closely to the brands ! Best Regards and Keep Paddling and safe ! Fabio Souza
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Great comments Fabio. We will talk about your points with brands in the future... great ideas thanks.
@benharries5884
@benharries5884 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, super detailed and finally ready to start paddle boarding, have only ever been paddle boarding once and me and my girlfriend are looking to buy 2 nautical paddle boards 2020 model and it seems they are out of stock everywhere, and chance you know where I could get a couple?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Really Ben I don't. It's a problem with this year.
@charliecalderbank2534
@charliecalderbank2534 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there brilliant video mate I’m just wondering what paddle board would be best for my 2 kids so they can both go on it and have fun and that I can also use to go touring, Thanks for your help
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Charlie It depends of what size your kids are really but if they are less than 50 kg each, a general all round iSUP would be good 10'6 x32". But for you if you want to paddle further then go for a longer board. The 11' iRocker or 11'6" Nautical would be a better for you all to share. Any help ? thanks Reuben
@robertd9850
@robertd9850 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Will be buying my first SUP and wanted a step up from all the $250 boards. Blackfin probably overkill for me at this point but I'll look at the other two.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Robert, To be honest the nautical we tested was really good value for what you get, and as a first time board to get you into the sport it could be the best choice. Thanks Reuben
@robertd9850
@robertd9850 2 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag Thanks, good to know. Was waffling between the iRocker and Nautical because their website says the iRocker is somewhat more stable. I think I'll go with the Nautical though since you have real world experience with both and recommend as a starter board
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
The iRocker is a stiffer board with more handles and fixings but I wouldn't say its that much more stable
@Bacciagalupe
@Bacciagalupe 2 жыл бұрын
Great info!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@sarahb4859
@sarahb4859 3 жыл бұрын
Which board will withstand waves better from boats passing by or during the wake zone? Great video and informative!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sarah, With any board the wider it is the more stability you will have. But for most people the 32" wide boards will be enough if you weigh up to 85-90kg for most conditions. Out of these boards any of them at that width will feel very similar in those conditions and be able to handle choppy waters. You can go wider 32"+ for a more stable board but remember a wider board will be slower to paddle. Hope that helps a bit? Thanks Reuben
@kelvinchong8096
@kelvinchong8096 2 жыл бұрын
helpful review!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@joshmerrell1670
@joshmerrell1670 4 жыл бұрын
Best review I’ve found. I’m 6ft 4in and 300 pounds. I need a stable board that I can tour and light fish also want to put Larry chair on it. Trying to decide on the x or xl black fin which size and board do you recommend and also is the irocker board a good option for me? Thanks
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Josh. Glad you found the review helpful. For you I feel you will need a stable stiff board. I would look at the XL Blackfin. The shorter X will work as well. But the extra length of the XL really will make it better for paddling a little further and fishing too. Because you are tall it will take a little while to get relaxed with the board but when you get comfortable it will paddle well. If you want a board with more stability you can go wider, but it will make the board slower to paddle. I hope that helps Reuben
@joshmerrell1670
@joshmerrell1670 4 жыл бұрын
SUPboarder it does help. Thank you so much. I’m ordering the XL now.
@spoketube
@spoketube 10 ай бұрын
Super comparison.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@brianmorrison9168
@brianmorrison9168 2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried SUP Ball yet ? According to the internet, Stand Up Paddle Ball is a combination of netball, water polo, lacrosse, and rugby .. probably easier just to say football (soccer) on water. It has come to the UK now, from Australia, where the sport originated and looks like fun. Regards from the UK
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Starboard had the SUP Polo set up a while back. Will check it out
@annetteg405
@annetteg405 4 жыл бұрын
I am new to paddle boarding, but I do have a kayak (for fishing mainly) so familiar with the workings. I am 5ft 3inches and 140 pounds. I like all of the features in the irocker and blackfin. I will be launching and landing from a dock. What would you suggest?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Annette, I think the iRocker range would be fine for you. The 11 All around is a great board for everything. Look out for the full review of that this week. thanks Reuben
@domdestefano5086
@domdestefano5086 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video I am currently in the market for an inflatable and I’m trying to choose between a boat areal flood or The iRocker all around 11 have you done a comparison on those
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dom, we haven't done a comparison on these boards, but they are very similar on paper. Lots of the same fittings, dimensions and weight. I'd say you couldn't wrong choosing between each board. You do get a 3yr warranty on the iRocker and a 2yr on the Bote if that sways your decision. Hope this helps. Thanks, Beau
@MadisonWestfield
@MadisonWestfield 3 жыл бұрын
I am looking to get the black fin xl. Do the boards have a holder for the oar when you’re not using it?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Madison, There is a number of attachments on the black fin boards that you could use to hold your paddle, the easiest and quickest one would be slipping it under the bungee straps of the board. I hope that helps? Thanks Reuben
@MadisonWestfield
@MadisonWestfield 3 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag thanks so much for that info!
@DarkArtemis007
@DarkArtemis007 3 жыл бұрын
Hello! Thanks for the review! I am a decent paddler, so I'd say for traditional use im at an intermediate level. I am interested in getting involved in surfing (maybe even windsurfing with an iRIG in the future). I'm 5'6 and like 90kgs, I'm looking between the iRocker All Around 10 vs the Nautical 10'6. Both I guess would suit me weight wise, but I am wondering if for surfing I should go for the better stiffness of the All Around 10 or do I need to get a longer board for my height? Would the 10'6 be more ideal due to my height?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kelsey . Yes a 10'6 would be better for your weight and something around 32" wide too. Also not to put you off iRocker but you could also look at a brand like JP Australia who add windsurf Universal Joint threads on their boards too. So you can windsurf them also in future if you wanted too. Just a thought? And you are right stiffer is always better in the surf . Thanks Reuben www.supboardermag.com/equipment_guide/2018-jp-australia-allroundair-106-windsurf-sup/
@theoutdoordad7395
@theoutdoordad7395 3 жыл бұрын
Great review...is the Blackfin XL your top isup fishing choice or something else?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah its right up there for sure. The only time I use other stuff is if it's a long walk to a launch site I will use a lighter board. And the super wide Aqua Marina Drift for carrying loads of gear. Thanks Reuben.
@sparklingyeti4220
@sparklingyeti4220 3 жыл бұрын
What color is that blackfin?I couldnt decide on their website.it looks great on this video.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
I have just checked in our warehouse and it says teal on the box that it came out of. Thanks Reuben
@andrewmancini2178
@andrewmancini2178 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative, I am in the market right now. The Nautical has a new 11'6" 32" 6" model. I am 6' 205 and I have been hearing that the 10'6" will be too small. I am new to SUP, can you tell me for my first board, if I am better on the 11'6", 10'6" or I won't see a difference. Not doing anything crazy. mostly calm ponds and rivers. the 11 all around is awesome, I am not sure I want to spend the extra $200, is it worth it for a new to the sport person?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Good questions. First off. If you are looking to paddle further than a longer board is better. If you want to focus on catching a few waves and not really paddling around the corner or that far the 10'6 would be better. The stability should be about the same really. The longer 11' boards will offer a bit more stability but not much because that are the same width and thats what really makes the difference. If you are going to get into SUP and paddle maybe once a week or so I would say go for the upgrade. If you want to paddle once a month maybe less go nautical.. Any help ? Thanks Reuben
@andrewmancini2178
@andrewmancini2178 4 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag big help thank you ! should I be concerned about the 240 weight rating on the 10'6"?
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 2 жыл бұрын
And the black Finn’s are all recalled !
@luisgalrito
@luisgalrito 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your reviews first of all. I want to buy a paddle board and I feel a bit lost. Consider me a starter who wants to go to calm waters and even chill slowly with 2 people, but at the same time start to test my taste for sup surfing in 1 meter waves. Would nautical do the work? Or even a cheaper board would do the work? Thanks
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Luis. The Nautical is a great all round board. And because its still 6" thick its still nice and stiff and will be able to carry two average weight paddlers. The only down side to the 6" thick board for you is it wouldn't surf as well as a thinner 5" thick board. But for catching small waves and playing around it will work ok but if you get into the surfing side of SUP you will want to upgrade it for sure. Does that make sense? Thanks Reuben
@luisgalrito
@luisgalrito 3 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag Thanks. Yes it makes sense. If I really start enjoying paddle I will allways need an upgrade. So thinking in that, could a 300/350 € board do that same work i was talking about as the nautical (around 500€)? Thanks once again
@jacklin6037
@jacklin6037 2 жыл бұрын
I'm just getting into the sport. But planning to buy my first board. I'm 6 ft but weight 150 pounds. Would the Blackfin XL be too much as it can go up to 435 pounds? or should I go for the IRocker? Definitely looking for suggestions.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jack, I think the XL will be too wide for you really. And board like the iRocker 11' would be a better choice I feel. Unless you are going to be taking loads of gear on the board or fishing? The iRocker will be a great all round board. Thanks Reuben
@theWZZA
@theWZZA 3 жыл бұрын
Would you have any idea why Nautical 10'6"x 32"x 6" board is listed at 221L volume, while the Aqua Marina Beast (same dimensions) is listed at 300L?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Good question, and to be totally honest I would say that one of them has just got their volumes wrong. I can't see these boards being too different in the overall volume. I would say that a 10'6 x32x6 would be pretty close to 300L. This is one of the reasons why with all our board reviews we give recommended rider weights :-) and don't really go off of the volumes given, thanks Reuben.
@johnklein2134
@johnklein2134 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 6'3", 240-250lbs, and 65 yrs. old. I'm looking to buy a new board that is stable for a big guy but also has some speed. I need to keep up with my better half who's on a 12'6"x27"x6" race board. I'm thinking the iRock 11' All-Around would be a good choice. What are your recommendations? Also, what are your thoughts about a 5" thick board vs a 6" thick board for me? Would there be much of a difference? I've read that for tall riders, 6" might raise the center of gravity too much and make the board feel "tippy". Thanks.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey John Good questions in there.. So the 11' would be a good choice, still not as fast as your partners board but not bad for overall speed. If you wanted to look at a faster board it would be something like the www.supboardermag.com/equipment_guide/blackfin-model-v-triple-layer-composite-12-6-32-2020-review/ but understand the cost is up with that one. Regarding thickness its very true that you may feel not as stable but also at the same time a 5" will have to be the same stiffness as the 6" board to give the board a more stable platform for you at your weight. And the thicker the board the more stiffness it will have unless it has stiffening rods etc. Thats why boards like the Blackfins with the carbon rails are so stiff. I personally think you will be fine and better on a 6" board at your size. I hope that helps? Reuben
@CrazyKanuckk
@CrazyKanuckk 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! This was the most informative iSUP video I have seen since I started looking for a new board when mine exploded(seam split) My previous board was a JP Aus Adventurair. 12'6x36x6. Slower on the water but super stable for myself and my dog. We paddled every weekend. I'm 6'2 290lbs. Oscar is about 40lbs. I was thinking about getting the XL but not sure it can float us without losing stability or turning into a banana/taco. What are your thoughts? XL? Stick with a newer Adventurair? Any other suggestions for us? Thanks for your time and knowledge!!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
I feel the XL will take your overall weight and will be nice and stiff. Probably stiffer than your JP. Speed wise it may feel about the same or a little faster. The reason is... It maybe narrower which will help with glide speed but it is shorter too, so this will bring speed down comparatively. Make sense? Gut feeling it will feel like a more responsive slightly faster board to use over all. Don't worry about stiffness! Does that help? Thanks Reuben
@CrazyKanuckk
@CrazyKanuckk 3 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag Thank you for taking the time to reply to my question. I will wait for them to come in stock again and grab one. Thanks for all your help!
@patricia.a18
@patricia.a18 4 жыл бұрын
Great review! I'm trying to purchase the irocker cruiser but its sold out. Do you know where I can buy it in Europe?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Patricia, the best thing to do would be to email iRocker direct and they should know who might potentially have stock in Europe. Good luck Reuben
@MrHanzaaa
@MrHanzaaa 4 жыл бұрын
Due to covid there's no supply....so they are all sold out :-(
@patricia.a18
@patricia.a18 4 жыл бұрын
Hans Gijsen :-(
@mrdrivebytrucker
@mrdrivebytrucker 2 жыл бұрын
Thorough review. Thank you but every time I hear someone say “to be honest with you”, I immediately think they’re lying
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Fair point. But we are being honest with you
@mrdrivebytrucker
@mrdrivebytrucker 2 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag I know, and I appreciate your work
@stephenfarthing3819
@stephenfarthing3819 Жыл бұрын
A little bit beyond some of my budget. Nautical looks good at £9 outside of the upper budget. I have a £200/£400 budget. I am intrigued by this option.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag Жыл бұрын
Hi Stephen. Just be careful of some super cheap boards. They will work but their lifespan is questionable.
@stephenfarthing3819
@stephenfarthing3819 Жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag thank you for the warning of these. Certainly under £200 should be treated with caution. I believe that I have been eminently wise to try and go for those £200 upwards to £400 - I might have to revise the upper figure to go beyond £400 - perhaps much closer to £500. Buyer beware is a very good reminder for that reason.
@sergunyatreveler
@sergunyatreveler 3 жыл бұрын
iSUP is very good for water recreation, I hope there is a delivery for Russia....good evening...
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
We hope so too!
@Timberbeartrail
@Timberbeartrail Жыл бұрын
I’m not into the kayak thing or the fishing thing at all so what I’m going to be into is camping in long distance Tyrrhenian I will also be getting my certification so I can teach you how to give lessons for Paddleboard, and what one would you recommend remember I’m gonna be doing a lot of camping in a lot of that type of stuff hopefully guiding you bringing people on trips
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag Жыл бұрын
The Tyrrhenian Sea is amazing! Cool to hear you are all about long distance touring and camping. Some of the best boards we have used for this (both isups and composite) are Starboard Touring, Quroc All Water 13', RED paddle co voyager, Honu Sorrento. Hope this helps. Thanks, Beau
@boltvanderhuge1273
@boltvanderhuge1273 3 жыл бұрын
I spent over a thousand dollars on a blackfin xl at the beginning of the pandemic. I've enjoyed the board bit over the last year the glue has failed in multiple places on the deck and in the seams. Considering it was made in crazy times I can forgive receiving a flawed product, what I can't forgive is Irockers refusal to make it right. When I contacted customer support about the problem they sent me glue. When I told them I was unhappy with having the customer fix manufacturing defects on a board that is less than a year old they sent me an email telling me how to apply the glue and that they were sorry I felt that way. They didn't even offer to have me send them my board so they could fix it.
@suchgr8hieghts
@suchgr8hieghts 3 жыл бұрын
I mean.. yeah sounds a little lazy on their part. But uhh....on your part too. Thats how the deck is held on. By glue. Add more glue dude. You can do it lol makes sense that that would happen on an inflatable from inflating and deflating and rolling up and general use.
@boltvanderhuge1273
@boltvanderhuge1273 3 жыл бұрын
@@suchgr8hieghts I can put glue on the board and I did but thats not really the point. It's an expensive board that's less than a year old and the glue is coming up in 10 different spots. The glue shouldn't be failing and it is. That's like buying a car and the paint fades in the first year and someone telling you it's cool because paint fades.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Bolt. That doesn't sound good. I have seen deck pads come aways from all types of boards and brands. It's a boards that have pointy edges on their deck pad opposed to smooth round corners generally do tend to catch and peel more. But I haven't heard of any other iRockers having this problem so far. It does sound like your deck pad is coming off more than just in the odd place. I'm not defending a rocker in anyway but I also have heard exactly the same process of customer service from all brands. I guess this is the problem with buying a board that isn't available in a shop. If you could take it into the shop they could physically see the board and how damaged it is and possibly repair it for you or replace the board if they saw fit. Big thanks for your comment it's always good to see and read about everybody's feedback from their boards. Reuben
@Sara5698
@Sara5698 3 жыл бұрын
Hi do they have a weight limit? I’m 5’4” 200 lbs I’m just curious if it would be stable enough
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sara. All these boards will work well at your weight. A board that 10'6 long 32" wide and 6"thick will take up to a 220lb rider. so you will be fine. If you want a board to offer you more stability look to a wider board 33"or34" but at your hight also I don't think you will need it. Tall paddlers around 6'2+ sometimes require more stability. I hope that helps thanks Reuben
@nalatreborrenoclaf9648
@nalatreborrenoclaf9648 3 жыл бұрын
Can't make my mind up between blackfin XL or bluefin cruise carbon 12 foot. Do you have any suggestions. Cheers.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
I would go for the Blackfin because I feel the package is a little better and the board is a touch lighter too. Thanks Reuben
@nalatreborrenoclaf9648
@nalatreborrenoclaf9648 3 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag thanks reuben 👍
@Romina25bmx
@Romina25bmx 3 жыл бұрын
Hey there, looking to get my first paddleboard. Looking for something for my dog and I, dog is about 60lbs and I am 135lbs. Live in BC so will do a combination of beaches and calmer lakes. Was hoping to not spend too much but been on my dad's red and really like that I was thinking the irocker but can't decide on what size or whether to wait and bite the bullet to get the blackfin.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Romina , a board like the 11' from iRocker would be a good one. Think having a little bit of length to the board would help when paddling with the dog. Blackfin would offer you more stiffness but yourself and the dog would be fine on an iRocker I feel. Thanks Reuben
@Romina25bmx
@Romina25bmx 3 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag Thank you!
@derekcuthbert6700
@derekcuthbert6700 3 жыл бұрын
how do you clean the bottom after being in saltwater ?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't worry about cleaning your board unless you were storing it and not using it for a long length of time, a couple months. Super easy to clean, wash off with freshwater, with a quick rub down and let it dry before rolling it up. Hope that helps Reuben
@brianhall8440
@brianhall8440 4 жыл бұрын
How much of a difference is the 10'6" vs the 11' cruiser?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Brian. The 10'6 is a wider board and will be slower to paddle but offer you more stability. If you are looking to cover more water then go for the 11'. But want to get into a bit more surf and want a stable board then go 10'6. Any help? Reuben
@kayleighmost9704
@kayleighmost9704 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Im looking to get a paddleboard and the kayak conversion kit BUT i enjoy yoga and would be interested in a board that I could do paddleboard yoga on as well.. im 5'9 about 190lbs. Do you have a recommendation?!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Go for a board that is about 33" or 34" wide and at least 10'6" in length. It will be wide for added stability when doing yoga, but also stable enough for standing and kayaking. The Blackfin XL would be suitable, and there are other brands too if you search for the right width and length. Hope this helps! Beau
@kristinrichards283
@kristinrichards283 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been told by customer services being a newbie I should get irocker 10 6 I will have my granddaughter onboard or my dog before I purchase could you offer your suggestions as I have saved up so it’s important to get the right one generally I’ll just paddle either sea or river many thanks
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
10'6 is a good size to go for when starting out. You could go a little longer to help with carrying of your granddaughter or dog, and this will also make the board paddle faster. But keep the board quite wide to help with stability. Hope this helps. Beau
@kristinrichards283
@kristinrichards283 2 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag thanks I ordered the irocker cruiser in the end 10 6
@duncanvisser4680
@duncanvisser4680 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, just looking at purchasing an isup and wondering how these compare to the Bluefin Cruise or Bluefin Cruise Carbon? Interested in riding some waves and see you recommend a smaller board.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
Like I said in another comment to you. Small sub 11' board are better in the waves for sure. But between these brands and Bluefin!? Its very close and i would say Construction and build quality would be the same obviously depending if you're looking at carbon rail boards or not. Packages are also very similar. Without a doubt for me iRocker and Blackfin boards and packages do look much better than the bluefin boards. But like I say in the review this is a personal thing. Thanks Reuben
@mevsme3908
@mevsme3908 3 жыл бұрын
SUPboarder what makes the Irocker better in your opinion for board and package than the bluefin carbon board? I am trying to decide between the bluefin carbon cruiser 10’8 and the Irocker all around 11. Both are 799. The bluefin has a 5 year warranty and the upgraded materials to the PVC, Duo air chamber, and the carbon rail reinforcements. As a board, it seems like the similar amount of cargo, handles, and D rings and PVC construction, but extras on the bluefin and the higher PSI rating make me think the Blue fin will be a better performer with less compromise going inflatable because of the extra rigidity. As for the accessories, both have a bundle of great accessories, but the blue fin has the bag with wheels included, the carbon fiber paddle, and the kayak seat and extra paddle blade already included, so accessories appear to be better with blue fin. I am curious since i have never seen either board in person or used them, I would love to know the reasoning behind the Irocker with what seems to be less features, less rigidity, and less accessories, with 3 years less warranty. Any advice is appreciated
@facelessartist0603
@facelessartist0603 3 жыл бұрын
So I'm a teen girl that's 5'2 and 140 at her heaviest. I was going to ask my parents for the Nautical for the cheaper price range. I certainly don't plan to be on my SUP all day every day, so I thought it would be a good fit. And if they tell me no, I can get a job and save up for it in a reasonable amount of time. Do you think it'll be a good fit for me?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Harley. The Nautical would work for you but at your weight you might want to go for a board that has a little less thickness to it. These boards are all 6' in thickness if you look at a thinner board it will be quicker to pump up and lighter to carry to the water and it wont float so high out of the water which is something as a lighter paddler you may not need. A cheaper price board that I feel would work well would be the Aqua Marina Coral www.supboardermag.com/equipment_guide/aqua-marina-coral-drop-stitch-light-technology-10-2-32-2021-review/ . Have a look and see if you like the look of it. The packages that come with the boards are about the same but the bag that comes with the Nautical is better. Does that help in anyway? Good to hear you are getting into SUP :-) Thanks Reuben
@daniell7420
@daniell7420 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for an honest review in a time where so many reviewers just seem to push every board just for an affiliate sale. I'm really looking at the iRocker, but I was having trouble finding information about the company. I saw your video on Red Paddle and love to see the people behind the scenes as it feels more direct and personal, but I couldn't really find any info on iRocker's background. Have you had positive interactions with them? You mentioned their use heavy use of plastic packaging, and that seems a bit ignorant considering their industry and that they should strive to be respectful of the joy the precious waters give us. I'd consider Red Paddle as I got a good vibe from them, but their boards are beyond my budget unfortunately.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel. Thanks for your comments and feedback about our videos. Generally we have heard pretty good things about iRocker and their brand from the paddlers around the world. Most people seem really happy with their products and customer service that they received in the past. That's the problem with our views we can only judge it on the actual board, so we very much rely on our followers to tell us what the brand has been like for them. I know that they are trying to reduce Plastic in packaging and by us highlighting it in our videos it is really making a difference and brands are having to change it quicker. Red Paddle co are a great example where you pay more for a product and they seem to be putting much more back into the product and the environment. These cheaper brands will have to follow otherwise they will be left behind. Thanks Reuben
@daniell7420
@daniell7420 3 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag Thanks for the info. I chatted with a rep yesterday from iRocker who was very friendly and was open about sharing information about the company and I felt much better. Apparently they have some new boards coming out in the next couple weeks (as I'm sure you guys likely are aware of), so I'm going to wait to see what those are like, and perhaps the prices will drop depending on inventory of their current line up. Thanks again~ Cheers from Chicago
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds good Daniel. The only thing I will say is don't wait too long if there are boards in stock that you can buy. People seam to be going nuts for SUP at the moment and everything is selling out fast. Thanks Reuben
@Alesxandros
@Alesxandros 4 жыл бұрын
What's the most durable and resistant isup brand in the market?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 4 жыл бұрын
I would say any board that is using triple layer PVC material or equivalent PVC thickness has to be up there with the toughest. I definitely couldn't pinpoint just one brand. Thanks Reuben
@rachelg1997
@rachelg1997 3 жыл бұрын
Best board for paddling with my dog? I'm 250lb he's 50lb. I want something that can be used for beginner surfing too!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rachel, It cost more but the Blackfin Model X would be perfect. Wide enough for the great stability and super stiff too, but the shape will be good in some waves also. Any help? thanks Reuben
@rachelg1997
@rachelg1997 3 жыл бұрын
I ordered that one yesterday so glad to know I made the right choice!
@AwesomeKhmer
@AwesomeKhmer 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a hydrofoil attachment for Nautical?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
No its just a SUP.
@dansouthcomb5439
@dansouthcomb5439 3 жыл бұрын
what brands of isup boards are the stiffest?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan. The stiffest board we have ever reviewed was the Naish Maliko iSUP 2020. It drop 7mm in our deflection test. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnOTY5Wwp5eeirs Thanks Reuben
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 2 жыл бұрын
The entire line is IROCKER !!!!
@Jb_outdooradventures
@Jb_outdooradventures 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a fat guy 295 6'1ft just looking to get into the sport I have $500 I would like to set it up for fishing mainly but would like to try sup camping. I'm currently looking at the famistar 12x32x6 it says it can handle 395lbs or what do you think
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey JB. I would look at a board with a bit more width 33,34". It will give you so much more stability, which you will want for fishing. I have had a look at the famistar 12x32x6 and I would say it doesn't look the best board. A tell tell is the click in side fins (they look a bit like a half moon) they are so cheap and paddlers often lose them. It sounds like you are going to be getting into the sport so going for a better board at the top of you price range will make a difference to your safety and enjoyment in the end. Answer to your question... yes it would float you but it wont be that comfortable. IRocker make some great boards at a great price. And if money wasn't an issue this is the best board for you www.irockersup.com/paddleboards/blackfin-model-xl-inflatable-paddle-board/ . But the AQ Atlas could be a cheaper price point alternative www.aquamarina.com/products/advanced-all-around/atlas. check our video of the range here :kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpzaammhpaqVm7s . I hope that helps thanks Reuben
@Jb_outdooradventures
@Jb_outdooradventures 3 жыл бұрын
@@SUPboardermag what about the DAMA 12'2X34X6 COUPLES BOARD IVE SEAN A VIDEO OF SOMEONE RUNING IT OVER WITH A CAR LOOKS DURABLE MULTI LAYERED CONSTRUCTION PLENTY SPACE FOR FISHING OR ULTRA LIGHT CAMPING MULTIPLE TIE DOWNS To be honest man looking for something to get me started eventually I do plan on getting A nicer board If I like it and I plan on giving it to my dad so we both go fishing I just need some now get me on the water I don't need anything super fancy. Name brand ETC...
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hey JB, There are so many okay inflatable boards out there that will definitely do the job. And I think if you're looking to possibly upgrade to a nice headboard in the future then definitely not spending lots of money now is probably a good move. It's funny, the old driving over the board video.. a few years ago all of the brands were doing this and I would say that you could possibly do this with most isups because of the way they are glued together. Definitely going for a multiple layer board is going to add a little bit more to the weight but it is going to give you a much stiffer board and a much more durable board so this is one of the key things to look at. A basic tip is always look at the reader feedback and comments on their social media channels if a lot of people are happy with the product and the brand than it can offer a good price point bored to get you into the sport. thanks Reuben
@markarend8226
@markarend8226 3 жыл бұрын
Got my 10,6 today and i am Not happy at all. First the pump did not fit right into the ventil so the air leaves. Then the middle fin did not fit in,cant use it.(means cant use the Board) Maybe its only on my Board But i send it back and buy a bluefin instead!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your feedback Mark. Are they sending you out another one? Let us know whats happening? Its really important we hear about all brands after service. Its the stuff we find hard to gauge in a review without paddlers feedback like yours. But all the feedback we've had so far from Bluefin has been good. Thanks Reuben
@ronmoore8732
@ronmoore8732 3 жыл бұрын
But the manufacturer said the Black Fin XL weight capacity is 485lb
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron. Yes this could be true. But we really try to recommend a realistic paddlers weight. In other words… The board could take that much physical weight before sinking (485lb). But could a rider of that weight actually stand and paddle the board? Does that make sense? Sorry if we have confused you . Thanks Reuben
@kimberleytarenta732
@kimberleytarenta732 3 жыл бұрын
Would the iRocker or the Blackfin be better for Yoga?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kimberley, irocker will probably be better because they have less stuff on the standing and deck area to get in your way when you are doing yoga. Definitely look at the wider possibly 32" at least. If it's just for yoga I potentially would look at a slightly wider board to give you that much more stability unless you are wanting to paddle it further as well because it will slow you down being that much wider. Another board which works well for yoga was the Bluefin Aura yoga board. Thanks Reuben
@kacotr27
@kacotr27 17 күн бұрын
My blackfin xl did not come with pump or bag… all add ons.
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 16 күн бұрын
This is something that they must of change to now. This review is a few years old now. This is an option that many brands are doing also doing now. But I do hope they made you aware of this when you ordered it? Thanks Reuben
@Timberbeartrail
@Timberbeartrail Жыл бұрын
You guys should be calling them on the telephone and send emails to them once a month different times during the month is really going to push that you know tell them that your customers are talking about it
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. We're generally always in contact with most brands throughout the year, but I can see how this would be beneficial. Thanks, Beau
@lakkchina
@lakkchina Ай бұрын
If Blackfin is part of the iRocker models. Why they are separated in this comparison?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag Ай бұрын
Nautical , iRocker and Blackfin are all part of the same brand, but they are just 3 different price points, board features and constructions. This video was just ment to show how they are different. I hope this helps? Thanks Reuben
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 2 жыл бұрын
The paddle paint came off in one day.
@animatorgame_film_previz7890
@animatorgame_film_previz7890 3 жыл бұрын
great advertisement!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! But its meant to be a guide to help paddlers understand which board is right for you.
@Malikar001
@Malikar001 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, young Hugh Grant 😛
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
LOL it's not the first time I have heard that! Thanks Reuben and Hugh
@donjohnsmusic3116
@donjohnsmusic3116 Жыл бұрын
Blackfin has been recalled, have you not heard?
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag Жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing this to people's attention Don. We heard about the recall in August. Happened to a lot of brands who used a substandard glue.
@azualbet3805
@azualbet3805 2 жыл бұрын
These are way cheaper in USA it isn't fair.
@lbank4526
@lbank4526 2 жыл бұрын
iRocker sent these things to everyone huh?
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 2 жыл бұрын
Rediculous they chino out on the nautical pump … the irocker aa pump is not much better .
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 2 жыл бұрын
BLACK IS WAY TO HOT IN THE SUN!!!!!!! GET LIGHT COLOURS !!!
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 2 жыл бұрын
Black is hot in the sun
@chrisweber9736
@chrisweber9736 3 жыл бұрын
Blackfin, not blackfish
@SUPboardermag
@SUPboardermag 3 жыл бұрын
If I said it, which I probably did I apologise. Slip of the tongue :-) thanks Reuben.
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 2 жыл бұрын
The entire board is runner and plastic come on .
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 Жыл бұрын
THE 2022 ultra boards from irocker are horrible !!!! Super wobbly . Way to light !! My aqua plus off Amazon is way better !
@kevywilliams3304
@kevywilliams3304 2 жыл бұрын
So basically nautical is their form of practice crap ….
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