Super Best FriendCast

SBFC 205: Push my Grandma onto a Microsoft Update (feat. Plague of Gripes)

[@SabreOfficial]

12:40 Matt: "Just fire his fuckin stupid ass!" Woolie: "No. *I love him.*"

[@jbark678]

Zero Man Woolie is now the Caska to Cage's Griffith.

[@spookhyskeleton]

Just as a reminder, this is the same reason who furiously called Cage "A hack! A stupid hacking fuck!" back in Beyond.

[@crash-ew6hw]

​@@spookhyskeleton🤓 it's indigo prophecy

[@sleepythemis]

"I was black all along!" - Plague

[@dn22pkkdd476]

Oh no not again

[@kooyah6420]

_"Short hair? Underage girls- wait."_

[@thepickles8833]

_”old foreign Chinese men?!”_

[@thepickles8833]

It’s really something coming back to this video and remembering the hype we all had for.. not the game itself.: but the Super Best Friends playing the game together. The amount of speculation and commentary about David Cage’s games past, present and future is laughter to my heart. The fact that these experiences are no more.. and may never be replaceable is making me really reflect on how sad and barren KZbin has become without them...

[@darrianweathington1923]

The Pickles literally 60% of my KZbin entertainment is gone.

[@thepickles8833]

@@darrianweathington1923 more like 85% for me.......

[@TheCarlosCobain]

Griffin1171, you're propably a very nice and cool guy, but your name reminds me of Griffith so therefor I must hate you.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

Still squirming in your pitiful existence, I see.

[@TheCarlosCobain]

Griffin1171 GRIIIIFFIIIIIIITH!!!!!!!!!!!! [Put your grasses on, nothing will be wong]

[@TMcKeon408]

Come on man, Griffin1171 did nothing wrong.

[@TheCarlosCobain]

***** Dope profile pic you got there.

[@joedatius]

Love how it startes with woolie trying to hold it in but then everyone just goes all out

[@coreylemon]

I like your picture

[@alucardyoici]

the crime is being protected

[@breaksystembse]

That metaphor with the cake for Cage's methodology was awesome.

[@visoreyes6393]

When I see a fly in my house, I say, "Wait, there's a bug! Bugs are evil!"

[@kovulion7777]

26:20 - 28:30 Finally, Woolie makes a good story on how David Cage games are made

[@Dragonage2ftw]

The funny part is, he couldn’t be more wrong on all accounts.

[@ronaldclark4183]

That cake analysis is pretty on point

[@tailedgates9]

I'm with Woolie, having more context on something and THEN judging it, is better than shitting on something just to shit on it. But, there are some exceptions, projects that deserve EVERY piece of ridicule and scorn. Like (My personal source of hate) Teen Titans Go!

[@NamesSmeg]

They made me laugh 1 time. When Robins friends told him they found his parents, and caught him in a tape trap while he went through a PTSD episode.

[@calska140]

Woolie's breakdown of David Cage's creative process is hilarious. "Bugs are evil"

[@nube1oscuras]

I saw the Detroit trailer with the hostage scene too. I think investigating the crime was supposed to give you more dialogue when you confront the guy.

[@justwungo]

Just imagine a straw hat on 2Snacks Pat and this video is complete. Also the Android's stomach could've opened up, revealing a large boxing glove on a grabby spring thing.

[@EmpressTiffanyOfBrittany]

Romantic rubber fist on a spring

[@justwungo]

BLACKIESBOY This would also suffice

[@Reqqqqqs]

The androids stomach could have opened up to reveal Stray Cat.

[@justwungo]

Opens up to reveal a smaller android who's stomach opens up to reveal a wooden cuckoo bird

[@TMcKeon408]

That sounds cool.

[@GoldLight73]

Perhaps the most interesting thing about this is when Woolie described what he saw as a 'fail state.' Silly Woolie, there are no fail states in a David Cage game (anymore)!

[@RickJaeger]

the entire game is a fail state. the only winning move is not to play, or possibly to get someone else to play while you reap the spoils of his pain.

[@SmokinInsight]

Woolie revealing the thought process of David Cage is some of the best audio I've let my ears experience ever.

[@justletmecomment6453]

Please keep doing these. chronicle the entire thing.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

I certainly hope there's more Detroit material.

[@NavigatorBR]

If you haven't yet, make a playlist. "The Road to: 'Detroit: Become Human' "

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

I'll definitely will if there ends up being a third episode zero. God, I hope there's a third episode zero.

[@huismands]

Detroid: Become Sad

[@godzillainspace5922]

Daniël Huisman Detroit: Become Sadness

[@zomboids2100]

Detroit? That makes me sad and scared. Short haired women who constantly have shower and attempted rape scenes? These are things that make me happy. *David cage 2018*

[@goodninji8]

@@zomboids2100 David Cage: Wat is zis "subtle" you speak of?

[@joedatius]

matt was just dying at the end.

[@FancyKerbloops]

The two-threat thing is like this. There is no *immediate* threat to anyone, but nobody knows that going in. The "side of the building threat" is the girl being knocked off the building or shot if people decide to open fire. The gun is basically just to prevent people from getting too close before the demands the android lays out are met. But the whole poking around the apartment putting legos together to reconstruct the crime that we already know about is dumb still.

[@louiesalmon3932]

FancyKerbloops Yeah, the two-threat thing doesn't bug me that much. I mean, if I was that guy, I'd grab a gun if I could. And gathering information for the negotiation seems to be the point of the investigation, but the fact that the dude is right outside makes that seem really dumb. I can't wait for this game to be good for a bit, and then completely fail to follow through.

[@joedatius]

FancyKerbloops but you never see that he even has commends he just yells about being slaves.

[@FancyKerbloops]

joedatius, you do, if you ask him about what he wants. I think he should've listed them out regardless just to add more context, but oh well.

[@TheTriad001]

Ok thank you for clarifying.

[@TheTriad001]

Wait no I just thought of something. Isn't that a psychological thing? And if it is...why is the android using psychology on another android? Just from what I've heard and read what you wrote, this seems like the Best friends are right, "drama for no reason" as they said. Am I still missing something?

[@seanlafferty6683]

Honestly, this segment really makes me want to look into what things I take inspiration from. So I actually understand how to incorporate them in stuff I wanna work on.

[@johnsonkhalil29]

Who is the true 5th best friend Plague, David Cage, or Billy

[@god47398]

juter4397 shut up no

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

Khalil J. I imagine David Cage is the DIO of the Zaibatsu. He stole the body of Matt McMuscles's great-great grandfather and made himself apart of the bloodline.

[@professorno3242]

The Chaotic Shadow Does that mean Liam is Avdol? I-is he going to come back to us? Then die again?

[@Yami-no-Raiden]

Professor No No, in the Jodie Joestar animated video, I suggested that Woolie was Avdol, and that Liam was Kakyoin. The underused young boy who left too soon.

[@jbark678]

The Chaotic Shadow Who's Iggy in this scenario?

[@PolarPhantom]

Every time someone praises Bloodborne Plague shits on his fence.

[@ryantune3325]

"The Search For Cake on Bridgeworld" we need that movie poster.

[@Mahathemime89]

plague and mat just seem to be on the same wavelength to make jokes... and i love their banter

[@BadyearOakarus]

This crime scene is covered in burned scripts and snail slime

[@FlowKio]

“Pulling a Kenny” You mean the guy where a baby had to DIE for people to get on his side lmao

[@Dabednego]

"I think you're projecting your ideas onto it." Plague needs to be on the Friendcast more often because Woolie does this kind of thing a lot.

[@sporeceress1465]

I deeply appreciate the presence of a guy who will A) bluntly call out the others' stupid bullshit and B) not sound like a complete moron himself in the process. Pat checks the first box, but rarely the second. I wish Plague could record LPs with them too. Plague & Pat is the hype-ass combo this channel needs. Hell, he might even be able to salvage Woolie LPs.

[@ramjet94]

I think your missing the fact that Plague is a bit of an overliteral sociopath, as he's missing the emotional thoroughline is "you will die, but you saved the girl, mission successful. You did good" whereas Plague seems to think Woolie is being literal in that he likes the "mission complete" TEXT

[@Entropic_Alloy]

Why is Woolie not allowed to think that the ending part of that seems cool? The idea of a "Mission Accomplished" message for an Android as it is about to be destroyed after saving a life sounds like it could be emotional. Just because the lead up to it is stupid and Cage will mishandle it doesn't make that moment not good.

[@Puckosar]

@@ramjet94 nah Plauge's not an idiot, pretty sure he got what Woolie meant. But still, the whole mission complete bit on its own isnt emotionally powerful or anything but it can be with the proper context.

[@NefariousDreary]

He was right about this one, though.

[@kewlkatzklub982]

Isn't David Cage basically the equivalent of Tommy Wiseau in the game industry?

[@dfokg]

KewlKatzKlub Tommy Wiseau = Funny bad David Cage = Sad bad

[@MrStath1986]

Tommy is more sincere and less of a bullshitter; the only big lie Tommy has told has been about the intent of The Room, whereas David Cage will say anything to get his bullshit to sell.

[@perplexus3893]

The difference is that Tommy makes shit and people see it is shit. David somehow keeps duping the media and some dumbass people over and over through some magic.

[@WonderGamer101]

Another difference is that Tommy is much more charismatic and likeable than David fucking Cage.

[@SonicMegaKing]

The difference is that Tommy get properly shat on. There are still people who believe David Cage is a good writer. He's gotten AWARDS. I remember before Heavy Rain, when people talked about Indigo Prophecy, there wasn't nearly as much disdain for the insane writing as there was for the fact that it was rushed and not allowed to show it's true potential.

[@TomBombadil168]

Playing a game where a android negotiator slowly gains emotions and starts to sympathize with people and his struggle with that would be pretty cool. But it's being written by David cage and you also play as Robo MalcolmX and Sexbot with emotions. Can't wait for the play through though.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

They literally already said that you can choose how “human” the negotiator becomes.

[@kovulion7777]

Memory Cwearing, oh wait wrong meme David cage is just a function, nobody remembers beyond two souls anyway, There you go!

[@karaokeskeleton6609]

I like the pic you used for Plague, looks just like him.

[@Gojiro7]

Matt really should have gone to bat for woolie on this one, because he's experienced this before with Azura's Wrath, that feeling of "god damn it, why does some really cool stuff in this bad game make it rad but not salvageable >.< "

[@RadarMunn]

When Matt said “Where do they go David” I couldn’t breathe I was laughing so hard

[@90boyle]

Holy shit, David Cage is an android.

[@godqueenbidoof]

From what I'm hearing in this video the plot of Detroit become human seems to be the same freakin plot as Ergo Proxy!

[@NostalgiaFactor]

Almost like Cage is an unoriginal hack or something.

[@MrLego3160]

"Hes a robot, it wouldnt do anything" if my roomba can stop working after falling off a table, an android can die after falling off a building.

[@perplexus3893]

If the main character is an Android (and if it has a computer consciousness), is David Cage just gonna rip off his own body switching mechanic from welcome in Omikron?

[@thepickles8833]

Omg... Conner WAS a Nomad Soul. Every time he died, he went into another body.

[@TheCarlosCobain]

On a different note: This is the first time I've heard an english-speaking person actually pronuncing "Uwe Boll" correctly. Good job, Woolie.

[@Khotgor]

Well, after he brutalized the language already with "Gascwang", I'm sure he can get his point through at some point if he throws a rock at a wall enough

[@mikeylambda1322]

The holograms recreating the scene is just like Arkham origins crime scenes

[@thepickles8833]

“Indigo Prophecy was David Cage’s unfiltered brain.” What does that make Omikron, Griffin?

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

A perfect seven hour game.

[@thepickles8833]

Griffin1171 A perfect 22 hour cake

[@kingnaga619]

I'm kind of ok with Plague replacing Liam as the 4th Zaibatsu member.

[@OCMOOO]

They need Plague on more often His "swinging DDT" comment had me laughing good

[@roosterblue5166]

Androids are a failure of the game desiger

[@leavy]

Cage is just a failure of a game designer, considering Nier Automata is a beautiful thing that does the android thing and takes it to multiple levels above the trope

[@smokey0111]

Does David Cage's writing have any promise at all? At all? Why do people keep coming back? Why do we let the Zaibatsu keep going back?

[@ronyncato7206]

They are Guts, Cage is Griffith, Storytelling/Gameplay/Game design is Casca and Omikron was the Eclipse.

[@ronyncato7206]

A private investigator who can reprogram GPS devices to issue specific threats to people who use them and is able to perfectly plan his murders when there is magically almost a week of endless rain and also manages to line crawlspaces with glass even though he's too fat to fit in them. That makes more sense in French?

[@ronyncato7206]

Fair enough

[@DinosaurSatan]

He's good at coming up with interesting scenes. He just can't ever write a story or stick the landing on a mystery.

[@DinosaurSatan]

Well let me walk that back a bit and say *somebody at Quantic Dream* reliably comes up with interesting scenes, whether or not that is David Cage.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

jesus christ amazing this is on the front first page search for detroit become human

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

AGAIN?

[@Dragonage2ftw]

And?

[@NefariousDreary]

I wonder how the guys felt about the fact that Woolie was right on this one

[@boodle399]

I find it interesting how they just bash the opening sequence of Detroit cause after the game came out it is easily the best scene in the entire game

[@shinluis]

Oh my god. This was amazing. Them finally figuring out David Cage is french(....ier?) Tommy Wiseau just blew my mind

[@ZerberusKnight]

Android with hand ants is too stronk

[@SubliminaIMessages]

"David Cage is a good salesman." This is pretty much David in a nutshell; his games are terrible, but he's good at advertising them. Hell, he tricked David Bowie, Ellen Page, and Willem Dafoe.

[@grinkobaba9226]

I have to remember Eli's hypothetical scenario for David Cage rewriting the scene at 8:24 hes so fast with the "uh-uh" it gets me every single time

[@Dlnew3]

The fact that the main character dies completing the mission for the demo sounds like Nier Automata. And if David Cage even dares to rip off Nier Automata he should be crucified

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I feel like they somehow completely misunderstood this moment, while still seeing what happened

[@ceast5273]

A podcast with Plague is the best.

[@soulcrusher929]

3:05 who shoots a man before throwing him off a building

[@Celestialbeing21]

Roostergod heath ledgers joker would do it

[@MrStath1986]

The CIA guy who Bane is too big for.

[@AquarialTV]

Ciaran Statham *_For you_*

[@MrStath1986]

Well congratulations - you posted your comment; what's the next step of your master plan?

[@CegeRoles]

*_CRASHING THIS GAME._*

[@PublicEnemy04]

Yet another golden nugget from Woolie "Shit from muh butt" Madden

[@ClockWorkKairi]

No crime eating?

[@GreekJR2]

Jesus Fucking Christ Plague. Just because something sucks doesn't mean things have to suck so completely that Woolie was tricked into thinking an element of a bad thing was cool.

[@marcusjohnston3618]

If someone is holding a gun to someone else's head wouldn't sprinting towards them be the worst move?

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

2:07 woolie it’s a hostage negotiation, you need to know things about them. 3:11 the gun is a gun, it’s so they do t just light him up. C’mon

[@br8581]

Plague is a delight.

[@8thsin333]

Woolie still piss about heavy rain.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

32:47 right after mat says sex is good!

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

edgy plague mentioning superman returns

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

man this needs pat..

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

pat in the picture...

[@reroll0825]

I'm always concerned that I'm gonna turn out like a bad writer or director or whatever da fuq David Cage calls himself, I mean he's in the creepazoid club with Itagaki, and the CosbySuite guys, but again, always concerned that I'm going to make significant faux pas and not realize it.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

So basically hes george lucas in the original trilogy? rein him in

[@Dragonage2ftw]

It’s the opposite, actually. Most of his game’s problems happen due to executive meddling.

[@genogamma13]

OK so... the "Mission Complete" thing... that already happens in freaking Gundam Wing. So once again, it's just David seeing a "trope" or something in a movie or something and ripping it off with no real understanding in how it works.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Or, it’s simply a common idea that’s used. No ripping off. It’s simply an idea. I’m also failing to see how it was used improperly here.

[@АлинаКостылева-ф2ч]

2 guys of of three didn't seem to even watch, what they are actually discussing. Great job making a a podcast

[@jamesk2325]

This is about woolie's impressions passively observing the game's pre release demo at a Con the others didn't attend. It was recorded months before any publicly released demo.

[@TeamTowers1]

I think David Cage's games are terrible, but I don't see anything wrong with people liking it, since at the end of the day what you like is a subjective thing.

[@AgentJaffacakes]

David cages are a failure to the game designer....

[@legoman7041]

It's funny because the game turned out pretty good

[@Hoonters-goona-Hoont]

What people don't get about Uwe Boll is that he doesn't give a flying fuck about videogames and only makes those movies to rein in cash for his "true" works. Now, I don't condone that either, but if you need to shit on him, do it because of that, and not because you think his movies are shit per se. Also maybe go watch Darfur or Rampage.

[@Dragonage2ftw]

I’d like to point out the crux of the investigators story is whether he should use his heightened sense of intelligence to be a free thinker or not. So, no. No “forcing him to be an android” shit here.

[@mandridhugh9555]

Isn't Heavy Rain still technically better than most Telltale games and Life Is Strange? Given that your choices can actually affect how the game ends and not some mediocre middling plot-line that has nothing to do with the overall story like most of these have been?

[@odeghy]

Not really. Heavy Rain is still a poorly written mess with a story which straight up doesn't make sense at all. It's a shame because Heavy Rain actually had a lot of potential to be pretty good.

[@natetuimaseve7426]

Odeghy "It's a shame because (blank) actually had alot of potential to be pretty good" describes pretty much every David Cage game.

[@Necrogigas]

That's something of an apples and oranges comparison. All of Cage's games are self contained stories, so there can be radically different endings based on player decisions. The Telltale and Dontnod games are meant to have sequels so there's a greater limitation on the impact player choices can have.

[@voltekka47]

Necrogigas Ok, but why have sequels, which obviously would limit the impact of player choices, for games that are advertised as having player choices that matter?

[@Necrogigas]

ChillTerumi - Franchises are worth more from a business perspective.

[@OoXLR8oO]

Why don’t these guys write an actual game or something? Continuity in normal writing is hard enough, imagine writing with branching paths in mind...

[@Dragonage2ftw]

Also, you couldn’t be farther from the “details don’t matter” and “David Cage is just putting what he thinks is good and bad into his games.” It’s the opposite, actually. He’s lamented the fact that he’s been forced to add action scenes to the games that were just supposed to either be about life (Heavy Rain, Beyond) or being forced to remove the elements that tie everything together (Indigo Prophecy) by Sony. He’s talked about this a bit, but almost all of the shit that you guys have problems with were forced on him by Sony. Take Indigo Prophecy, for example. That game was fucked with to the Nth degree by Sony. First off, they made it go from 4 disks to 1, despite Cage making the scenes out of order to try and convince them to let him keep his huge budget. (This also removed the “Television show” style it was supposed to initially have.) They also told him to make a “Shaq-esque comic relief man”, because they didn’t want the game to be “too dark.” Their meddling got to its worst point in Beyond. First, they told him to make the scenes out of order, probably so that the action wouldn’t be backloaded in the plot, since all of the action occurs near the end. Then, David said that the army and fight scenes WEREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE GAME AT ALL. We were supposed to simply get a story about a girl trying to live a regular life, despite Aiden screwing around with her life, to which he followed up with “Sony won’t fund the projects if they don’t have fight scenes, as they’re afraid they won’t sell well.” So, they basically fucked around with the entirety of the game’s plot. It’s also partly why Heavy Rain was the best one of his games by far. Yes, he supernatural aspects were cut, leaving some plot holes, but aside from that and Shaun’s age, the only big fuck around they gave him was canceling almost all of the DLC he had planned for Heavy Rain, in favor of shoving Move support into the game.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

Just so you know, Indigo Prophecy was published by Atari, not Sony.

[@johnaldridge83]

I will recommend Beyond to anyone, I love that game a whole lot.

[@Celestialbeing21]

John Aldridge highlight this comment XD

[@watuhboy]

All this shit they talked and the game was actually not that bad.

[@thehanukkandor590]

Literally a bad game lol

[@SteelBallRun1890]

I like how "not that bad" is breaking new grounds for David Cage. Like, he's such a low point in talent that "not that bad" is an A++ on his score.