Super Mario 64 (16 Star) TAS Vs Human World Record

[@phillipstreams]

I was expecting the same route when I first started watching. Even the difference in the first 30 seconds is amazing.

[@sub-zero_]

Suigi: I stand as the world record holder in every category except one. TAS 9 parallel universes ahead of him: am I a joke to you?

[@silverflight01]

Ikori_o: Are you sure about that? _Takes 70 Star_

[@atti_odyssey]

Suigi: Are you sure about that? *Becomes the first person to go 5/5*

[@mbran031]

I'd really like to see the actual button presses these two are making. A lot of world record explained videos talk about strats that aren't humanly viable, but it's hard to really understand what that means for casual observers like myself.

[@Plukie]

i know it’s very nice when speedrunners put their buttons as an overlay and i think TAS makers should do it too it would look very satisfying

[@somethingsomething62]

Other than the obvious TAS only strats you can see here (insane BLJs) some may not look that difficult but include several frame perfect inputs and provide very small time saves, even with an input display it may not be that obvious to the eye, but speed runners will be able to tell you that it's not worth trying.

[@Sprudelpudel]

to add to this. Imagine a trick where the position of the analog stick is in frame 1 on "up", and has to be on "down" in frame 2. it's not physically possible for a human to do this, because the movement from up to down would take longer than one frame. for TAS it is

[@JwebGuru]

@@Sprudelpudel It is actually possible in some cases, or at least restricted versions are. For example someone's hit carpetless unbuffered which requires being fully "up" on frame 1 and fully "right" on frame 2, and many people seem to think up to down is actually easier than up to right.

[@XenoWars]

@@Sprudelpudel Arent gainers in MM down to up in 1 frame? Or is it slightly more lenient?

[@1bum]

the 13 minutes was worth the wait for a reaction like that!

[@Plukie]

i Know it’s such a great reaction

[@ApplejuiceOmar]

TAS was mind blowing, the underwater into the castle was one highlight moment where I felt like that was so disgusting of a trick to just have up your sleeve 😭 the red coin star in the lava world was literally some next level AI thinking! Literally was effortless and too crazy of a mechanic to even study and know the science to even accomplish that first go!

[@TF2Starlight]

wouldnt it be better to compare it with the 16 star human theory tas

[@OEx25]

Much

[@shakeweller]

Thatd be like a 14:00 to 14:10 unless people discover better strats. Suigi has next to no time losses, theyre all 0.5 here 0.33 there etc. He is absoltuly insane to play so close to perfect

[@RoseQuartz692]

​@@shakewellertrue?

[@HappyYummmy]

That human is so slow and starts to cry for no reason what a baby

[@daevidpp445]

u do it

[@HappyYummmy]

@@daevidpp445 just beat that time just now let's go!

[@setsos]

Bro 💀

[@Forium999]

Do it faster then

[@RoseQuartz692]

Let us see you do it faster then come on let us see

[@Ester952]

Could you do a comparison between wr and community sum of best? Also you should prob compare each segment with cuts in between, this isnt really a comparison its more like watching to videos at the same time

[@Plukie]

i could probably do that, is there a place to find all the community best times, i would love to make that video it sounds like a great idea i just don’t know where to find communinty bests

[@Ester952]

@@Plukie also please actually compare the stars side by side, i would do it but i genuinely dont have the editing skills

[@LUNAHT3]

the issue is that the wr also beat the wr time for every segment I think

[@mfrese]

​@El0oWasTaken community sum of best: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yDZGIVXlcSR8ziYRUeSOmXcXKP6tOTi9_25s0X5-p2M/edit?usp=drivesdk

[@sweatypiranha]

​@@LUNAHT3bruh what

[@hoplabobla]

Human WR is cool 😁

[@KatTheOneAndOnly]

Terminator: ai will destroy the world Real life: ai will destroy speedrun leaderboards

[@GardenChess]

It’s not an ai it’s a human who makes the inputs it’s just a computer that simulates it

[@KatTheOneAndOnly]

@@GardenChess Meh same difference

[@ilikecreeper331]

@@KatTheOneAndOnlyto be more precise, it’s a human who creates the input frame by frame and a computer plays it back

[@KatTheOneAndOnly]

@@ilikecreeper331 I have dumb logic but to me anything that does what a human does is considered an ai (besides living organisms lol)

[@frkieran]

@@KatTheOneAndOnlyis a piano roll ai?

[@josephpolz5881]

Its interesting that they take so different routes

[@robertwegner8962]

The computer plays like swine.

[@1bum]

@@robertwegner8962damn wtf it do to you

[@robertwegner8962]

@@1bum Well I am just stating that the computer plays like swine. It is nasty.

[@blazera]

Its basically just that the TAS is able to skip the first key to get to the basement using some truly ludicrous strats

[@Splax77]

Skipping the first key entirely is faster than fighting the first bowser, and Blast to the Stone Pillar is faster than Dark World reds.

[@abcdefzhij]

Why does the very first text box appear faster in the TAS than the human WR, even though there haven't been any inputs yet?

[@LordWelkerfan01]

What’s the point of the moat/invisibility cap segment in the TAS?

[@Megaforcer]

In short you enter the moat door without draining the water, meaning you get access to basement without needing to beat bowser 1

[@BackOn337]

Human : i can beat this in 1 hour. Tas : i can literally beat this in 1.1 second.

[@John_NYT]

Without all the BLJs, the actual gameplay is pretty damn close.

[@RoseQuartz692]

True

[@inafridge8573]

Is there a human-viable TAS anywhere?

[@superdejan64]

That's called rta

[@ktrZetto]

Human theory 16 star tas is on circumark's channel

[@abcdefzhij]

@@superdejan64No? Rta means non-Tas I thought

[@superdejan64]

@@abcdefzhij omfg that's the point, a human viable tas would not be a tas, the entire point of a tas is "tool assisted speedrun"

[@abcdefzhij]

@@superdejan64 …No? OP asked about a TAS that showcases the fastest possible time that a human could achieve.

[@Chimpmanboom]

Wish the tas did the same route lol

[@Patheticus]

It's an excellent record! I just don't understand one thing, isn't it easier to catch the star that the rabbit leaves? And talk to the 2 Toads?

[@zinsch1]

You need 15 stars to spawn the rabbit. Then the ddd sub star to get access to the 2nd Bowser level.

[@Patheticus]

All right. Now I understand how it works. I am grateful @@zinsch1

[@TaiNiPoni]

Also if you collect the rabbit star the rabbit disappears and you can’t clip through the brown door or the 30 star door.

[@melor69]

it's crazy that it is only 2 minutes ahead of a real person

[@frkieran]

"only"

[@melor69]

@@frkieran bruh it has been 8 months 💩📢💯😭🙏🙏

[@ralphinoful]

I feel like 16 star without bowser 1 sort of defeats the purpose of the category.

[@flamingfishsticks1412]

The purpose of the category is to spawn MIPS to pass the 30 star door, because for a long time people knew no other way of doing so.

[@Megaforcer]

I feel the same way. Technically the TAS didn't break any rules since the only 16 star restrictions are: - SBLJ is banned - Any method to skip the 30 star door other than Mips clipping is banned Since the TAS did do Mips clip and didn't use SBLJ (which is not even clearly defined from what I can tell), it's considered a valid 16 star run, but honestly creating a 16 star TAS in the first place seems pretty pointless to me with all the advancements in the TAS community like 1 key and such. A human theory 16 star TAS would've been a much better fit here in my opinion.

[@Crackhex]

​@Megaforcer yea I specifically made the TAS so it would fit the RTA rules, but anything else not specific is fair game. So I can do moat door skip and plenty of other TAS-only things. Otherwise this would just be a "human theory" TAS, which i'm not too interested in making

[@ralphinoful]

@@Crackhex I guess here's the argument I'm making. Back in the day, any% used to be 70 star. But then we found out how to do the BLJ stair skips, so now any% changed to 30 star. And we created a new category "70 star", to preserve that style of race. Then we found out how to do Mips skip, and any% changed from 30 star to 16 star. And again we created a new category called 30 star, to preserve that style of race. Then we found out how to do the side stair skip, and lowered any% further. etc. etc. I'm saying that anytime any% gets updated with a new skip, the "old category" gets preserved and called "x star". But when you discover a new skip that breaks 16 star, I would argue that (in some instances) you would break the category down even further. It would be "16 star", and "16 star, no bowser 1 skip".

[@Crackhex]

@@ralphinoful that's TAS arbitrary since it's not possible to do RTA

[@yumpmammy4205]

does TAS usually lakitu skip like that????

[@manerd6979]

Do you not have to fight the first bowser? Because the TAS run doesn't I never knew that

[@devonchase5498]

Ordinarily speaking, you do have to fight the first Bowser. The TAS uses parallel universes and hyperspeed to trick the game into allowing Mario to open the moat door despite being underwater

[@koolgaemrcid]

at that point that's not a tool "assisted" speedrun, that's a tool RAN speedrun😭😭

[@LUNAHT3]

didn't suigi get the wr in every segment in this run?

[@Plukie]

almoast every one except 120 star i think

[@anorakdt6218]

no he got 0 segment records

[@RonWolfHowl]

Happy for you, but tbh, this isn’t a very helpful video. Pretty much every similar one I’ve seen at least lined up the segments. This is more like just watching two videos at once than it is a proper comparison. Thanks for linking the originals though, I appreciate that.

[@Juanus14]

exactly. stopped watching this after like 30seconds because it got hard and pointless

[@RoseQuartz692]

​@@Juanus14I watched the entire thing

[@Juanus14]

unless its the same route and you keep pausing one so that each room entry lines up, then this was kinda hard and pointless to watch. easy content i guess

[@XxAwesomeSaucexX27]

ok Juanus14 😂😭

[@Tomek839839]

Why did they both use the Japanese version?

[@agustinpugliese1715]

I think it's just shorter dialogue boxes

[@Tomek839839]

@@agustinpugliese1715 Ok. I see

[@coyohma8947]

@@agustinpugliese1715 Interestingly the NA version seems faster for 70 star? And it looks like either for 0 star.

[@Crackhex]

Specifically because its faster in the intro, and mips is faster by 15%. On average, US textboxes scroll a few frames faster than jp, so in 120 it adds up.

[@RoseQuartz692]

And in 120 Star is saves frames to not save after a star in JP

[@PythonArms]

What/who is TAS?

[@GHortagomes]

tec artificial sys.

[@metal99010]

tas literally can take the rabit star and literally ignore him and skip to bowser 2

[@shakeweller]

Stair BLJ is banned in 16 star otherwise Suigi could do it as well.

[@RoseQuartz692]

​@@shakewellerand it would have been a faster time

[@MoneyMac18]

Yeah no offence to Suigi, but you're bad, get good buddy.

[@dianaayuba-g4q]

Tas wins before human

[@ricksantiago-ib8rg]

This isn’t even the WR 😂 I did 16 star in 9:44 😂😂pathetic

[@aayankhaleelcapuli5868]

proof

[@Calmtimer]

I trust him

[@RoseQuartz692]

​@@Calmtimerjoke?

[@somyeol804]

ahahaahah