Super7 Ultimates TMNT Wave 11 Reveal and Discussion

[@anthony88ization]

In Raz we trust. Take your time with the reviews man. They’re always golden.

[@razrentals8897]

Thank you!

[@retrodadstl]

Hope all is well RAZ-MAN

[@indarkestknight1]

I agree. If the wave has two turtles, then it should be a five figure wave.

[@ScottJay01]

The Alt head for rapper mike is finally going to be the main head for my regular mikey! I wanted s7 to finished all original characters from the first 5 waves but I'd settle for all figures from 88 to 90 I doubt I'll do 2003 from s7 I really want neca to do 2003. I'm honest I struggle with buying s7 tmnt just because I know as a kid if you showed me neca, comic,toon and movie lines thats what i always wanted. Playmates is just want he had at the time

[@razrentals8897]

I think Neca would do a great job creating a 2003 series that matched the models from the show. I’m curious if super7 will make the 2003 figures fit in with the past ultimates. They had such a distinct style in that show/toy line I don’t think you could make 2003 turtles built off of the 88 turtle ultimate bodies. It wouldn’t be faithful so I’m interested in seeing how it goes with them. I don’t know if I’ll stick around for 2003 too. I like the show, but I may just be happy already with the old figures.

[@AutomaTom1939]

Great video! Yeah, something has felt off on the Ultimates TMNT line all year. There's been some kind of shift, but they're not allowed to talk about it. Some people say Playmates has no authority over them and that has nothing to do with it, but it sure seems like it with all these bizarre "choices" Super7 has been making (or are forced to make?). Also, I don't think the Four Horsemen are sculpting the line anymore, so they do look different. Overall it kinda feels like they're biding their time with these last two waves--like they're trying to figure out how to do the big, crazy characters everybody wants, but they don't want to get to them until they work it out with Playmates or come up with a new look that will work. And now with the 2003 designs being added, the whole line has kind of lost its identity/focus/direction. We'll see what happens! Good call on the Toxic Crusaders, too! I made the decision to start piecing that line together this year, too, which was a tough decision to make since they're crazy expensive now. But the designs are so good! Luckily I found some lots on eBay that were mostly complete. I was going to try to get them all MOC, but that's not sustainable...

[@razrentals8897]

You can definitly tell that four horseman isn’t involved anymore. Ray Kings face, even though it’s better, has a little cartoony thing going on with it. A little bubbly just like Guerilla Gorilla who I bet wasn’t sculpted by them either. I don’t know if that was ever confirmed. From what I was told by someone who knew someone at super7 so take it with a grain of salt, but Playmates doesn’t own the designs of the old toys. Nickelodeon owns them, but Playmates holds the master license and they threatened not to make new movie/cartoon figures unless Nick made super7 change what they were doing. That it was cutting into their reissue money.

[@razrentals8897]

Also I agree about the Toxic Crusader toys. The designs are really great. I had a couple incomplete figures for years so I’ve been completing them and over the summer I bought a few I thought were complete at a toy store, but found out later they weren’t. Getting the accessories can be a pain in the butt because some of them are in limited supply on eBay. You lucked out getting those lots! It can be fun though building up a line and slowly checking stuff off your “need” list haha.

[@retrodadstl]

Dude you are hands down the best Passionate tmnt reviewer i have found on youtube thanks to you i learned about super7 and neca

[@razrentals8897]

Thank you! I like both lines a lot. Out of both of them I think Neca’s taken the lead. They have so much great stuff!

[@retrodadstl]

Its gotten outta hand lol im in too deep now😂

[@PLASTK_pizza]

The line is losing its identity. It all started with Gorilla Gorilla . Creating non playmates characters and doing variants of existing characters. Is a waste of time when time is already a huge issue with outrageous release dates.

[@joeesoko]

I really like when you do these "Raz Fireside Chats" videos. That Rat King is a huge improvement! Leo's new figure looks a lot like his appearance in Usagi Yojimbo Volume One #10 "The Crossing" (1988) by Peter Laird. I really hope Miyamoto Usagi is included in the next wave. Great video!

[@razrentals8897]

I’ll have to go back and take a look but I think I know what you mean. These short talks can be fun. I know some channels do a lot of them, but I’m not sure what I’d talk about.

[@bigsnacksjenkins]

Totally agree with adding a another new original figure to balance out the variants. Great vid

[@razrentals8897]

Thanks!

[@RetroTube1982]

I agree with pretty much everything. This Rat King is a HUGE improvement. Props to them for actually listening to the fans. If they can't legally recreate the original toys anymore, at least this Rat King has the spirit of the original toy, which the first Rat King they showed didn't. And yeah, these already take soooo long to come out with their long pre-orders and constant delays. And now they're doing 2003 Turtles every other wave, so it's going to take even longer to get the old '80s characters.. To give us a wave like this is only one new character, it's frustrating. Are we going to have to wait until like 2029 to get General Traag?

[@razrentals8897]

It’s extremely frustrating and like you said we already know what figures will be in our hands next year. Hopefully wave 7 and 9. Who knows about 10, but if we only see 7 and 9 next year at our doors than the only figures we get in 2025 may be waves 10 and 11 which means you legitimately may not see another classic mutant design in your hand until 2026.

[@bigvis497]

Props to Super7 for fixing Rat King. Hopefully we see more of the old Playmates weirdos going forward as I'm not liking S7's original designs.

[@razrentals8897]

I was really hoping after wave 10 disappointed me so much this wave would restore my faith in the line. Rat King is good, but not including any other unique figures slowly kills my interest even more.

[@bigvis497]

@@razrentals8897 and if they're going to start including 2003 TMNT in this line, and taking into consideration how slow releases have been lately, it's going to be a while before/if we see more Playmates freaks like Pizzaface.

[@razrentals8897]

@@bigvis497 I guess at this point I have no faith that we’ll ever see a complete 1989 or 1990 Ultimates set.

[@spadedonemcdysentery2493]

I was hoping you’d react to this reveal. I don’t collect any of these but that rapper Mike kinda makes me want whatever musical versions of the turtles they put out😹

[@michaeljfoley1]

For the Turtles themselves, I'm only buying the Music versions, so I'm thrilled to see Rapper Mike. I think the only one missing now is Heavy Metal Raph, if I'm not mistaken. I'm most anticipating Punker Don, though.

[@razrentals8897]

@@michaeljfoley1 knowing super7’s history they’ll probably move onto a different Turtle variation line instead of finishing the music turtles haha. I’m still bummed we haven’t seen Undercover Don yet!

[@spadedonemcdysentery2493]

@@michaeljfoley1 yeah I was introduced to neca before super 7 so I’ve been on that road but these music versions have all been sweet. Not quite $55 sweet but these guys drop in price all the time. I think I’m gonna play the long game on these music bros.

[@razrentals8897]

@@spadedonemcdysentery2493 I don’t blame you. I think every Super7 Tmnt Ultimate has been in stock online at different stores since they’re release. I can’t think of any sell outs. Eventually the toy stores will stop ordering as much so stock will be low, but I bet at least the next 3 waves are readily available and will drop in price at some point.

[@3drage]

Now they just need to bring back the shipping sleeves.

[@Popstalgia]

Was looking forward to this video! Glad to see the line continue, but the deep catalog of TMNT characters that are still yet to be covered has fans impatient with all these variants. Personally I’m fine with an original design for the Super 7 figures here and there, but going from 1-2 retooled figures in this wave is a bit disappointing. Give me some more cool mutants!

[@razrentals8897]

Agreed!

[@indarkestknight1]

Now that they listened to us about Rat King maybe S7 will listen to us about reducing the price. The Big Bad Toys Sore sale proves it can be done. I'm don't see why WE have to pay the the manufactured scarcity they create.

[@razrentals8897]

I wish they would drop the price too. The price itself is a reason why a lot of people won’t even consider buying Super7 toys. It’s a self made barrier that keeps people out.

[@indarkestknight1]

@@razrentals8897 No mainstream KZbinr will even review them unless S7 gives them the waves for free. Look at NECA's Zog $5 cheaper and way more massive than the average Ultimate. $35 is the sweet spot for their offerings. And you could still do the bonus weapons pack for people that preorder the full wave directly from S7.

[@indarkestknight1]

@@razrentals8897 A simple thick blister card like they have with retro Marvel Legends, two extra pairs of hands, and the painted homage accessories is all you need. And if they feel generous an extra head. Knowing them they would put the heads in the bonus pack.

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah I agree. They should be $35-$40. It’s also amazing how they’ll charge you more for larger figures, but not less for small characters like Snarf.

[@indarkestknight1]

@@razrentals8897 Totally agree. $40 for the bigger characters like Muck Man and the Zords would be fine. Have you noticed how much more expensive the Godzilla figures are even though they are the same size as the Zords? Shady business practices.

[@NeonSupernovaUPW]

Completely agree with all of this, Gary.

[@michaeljfoley1]

Saw the new Ultimates Super7 Rat King on BBTS, and first thing I thought was, "I wonder what Raz Rentals has to say about this one!" 😆😜💥

[@razrentals8897]

Haha, awesome! I figured I had to do a follow up since I complained about the initial sculpt for like a half hour back in March.

[@michaeljfoley1]

​@@razrentals8897 As much as I think this new Rat King is an obvious improvement, there is still something sliiiightly lacking, you know. Maybe it's too...symmetrical? He's properly gnarly and ugly, but...IDK. Still, it's a huge improvement.

[@razrentals8897]

@@michaeljfoley1 I do think symmetry is a problem. It’s kind of what I was trying to say in the video. I’m not sure what the method is for sculpting toys or 3D models nowadays. back when I learned to sculpt one side of the body and then just mirror it and connect the vertices. If you mirrored that image of Ratking I bet the arms and muscle groups would all line up perfectly. They may have even done that with some of the older figures, but for some reason there’s something about this sculpt that looks maybe more toyish than the older sculpts. There are some folds, objects, and stitches that make him not completely mirrored, but maybe if the arms were exaggerated or there were more rips or something he’d be a little more dynamic. Take a look at the Neca Mirage Rat King. He’s very exaggerated and dynamic.

[@michaeljfoley1]

@@razrentals8897 It's like, the overlay details are properly ugly and gnarly and gross, but the underlying build and proportions are very "normal" human, like upright muscle-man human. The 1989 Rat King portrayed a human, sure, but a hunched, distorted, warped human that was as much monster as human, really.

[@Symphonia30]

Well looks like your wish I’ve been granted about them doing some serious makeover on rat king. However my only problem with this reveal is the lack of accessories to him, like I felt that he could’ve came with more than just a flute, but at least they gave him more items, which is good. I’m looking for to having him in my new Night of the Rogues gallery. Nevertheless wave 11 is OK wave but not as good as wave nine, just nothing special. And not as weak as wave 10. Still, pretty unpopular choice but I’m also fascinated in the damage footsoldier. But I do agree, they should be getting better with their reveals and be more creative. Wave 10 and 11 was lackluster at best.

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah the Battle Damaged Foot Soldier is cool. I forgot to mention he has the alpha1 and the playmates mutatin head. The alpha 1 head looks really squished though, but I do like all of the cool robotic insides you get to see.

[@darthprime4916]

Crossbow would’ve been cool. But happy and surprised we got The dead cat.

[@razrentals8897]

Hahaha yeah I’m surprised they kept the cat too, but I’m glad they kept the gross out humor or the late80s/early90s in tact.

[@PixelsNcreatureS]

I hope they can do Usagi. It's the only one I will buy. The more I see super7's lines it makes me glad I stuck to Neca's designs. They're more interesting to me than larger versions of what I had as a kid. I won't dismiss the fact they do look awesome

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah and at this point Neca continues to deliver more and more awesome characters that we always wanted back in the day. I would imagine they’ll continue to release everybody they can. With the super7 line I’m unsure where the line is heading and for how long it’ll continue. It’s lost a lot of steam.

[@PixelsNcreatureS]

@@razrentals8897 so many tmnt lines are out there and I can't collect them all.. I seriously did pros and cons for months before I decided 😂 I almost did bstaxn! 🤮

[@razrentals8897]

@@PixelsNcreatureS I skipped out on that line too because like you said there’s just way too much new stuff coming out. I did buy a Michelangelo just because I wanted to see the quality, but I thought it wasn’t very good. I like some of the variants they have like the arcade damage figures because the colors look cool, but I’m ok without them.

[@topherowlish]

I fell in love at first sight at that Samurai looking Leo but if the sculpter thinks this lazy design could fit into the original Playmates line, he is out of his mind.

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah that’s true. The older toys would have had a lot more details. I don’t know if he said it, but I think he was trying to make something in the middle between Mirage and Playmates. He even has different packaging with a different logo.

[@topherowlish]

​@razrentals8897 I'm really trying to figure out what this series is the "Ultimate" of now. They lost their identity and now it is....? I think Super7 needs to figure out the idea of this figure line now.

[@razrentals8897]

@@topherowlish agreed. maybe they’re stringing is along until they figure it out.

[@ADAM_COLLECTS]

i just wish they could keep costs down. Do we really need 5 sets of hands? (see BBTS undercover raph). I personally am not a moc collector, so i do not want to pay for the expense of the graphic design, cost cut there. Give me the option to choose. The old style weapons rack. I wouldn’t call the old weapons rack “deluxe” by any measure so, why do i need it? i don’t. cost saved. Extra accessories… if they can’t be attached to a belt or some such then it’s going in a ziplock until eternity comes… so, if the figure can’t hold it or wear it, gone!

[@monkeyguy80]

I envy you guys that can buy Super 7 easily and acceptable prices! For me I’m from Singapore & I need to rely on Amazon and prices are not cheap too! 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@darthprime4916]

They need to Get more odd balls like walkabout, halfcourt, dr el. Variants like Artic Donnie , sumo turtle, Apollo turtles, warriors of the forgotten sewer. Lefts get wild. They need to make better choices.

[@razrentals8897]

I agree 100%, walkabout would be really cool to see. I’d also love to see their versions of Tokka and Rahzar.

[@nwobw]

I like every figure they've revealed so far, but I'm not in love with the character selection. I want Wyrm, Super Shredder, Dirtbag, Groundchuck, Napolean, Android Body Krang...not another Leonardo. The next wave is supposed to be the 2003 Turtles (all 4 at once thankfully). The new Ratking makes me happy. The old one is one of my all time favorites. I do miss the snake belt and the little spiders though.

[@razrentals8897]

You’re preaching to the choir! The snake belt was really cool. So were the old accessories, but if it’s a sacrifice they had to make to at least put out the figure it is what it is. It’s nice their releasing all 4 2003 turtles at once, but on the flip side, that just means we have to wait even longer to get new characters.

[@andrewmoeller1987]

I think this Rat King looks much better. And that pipe handled knife looks awesome... which has me tempted. Yesterday I did order the BBTS exclusive undercover Raph and all of the Animaniacs set. But outside of that Raph, I've never went in on any Super7 figures. Though they are cool, I just can afford to have both Neca and Super7 TMNT (price and space 😄)

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah I’m reaching that point too. If Push comes to shove I’m going with Neca only.

[@MushroomKingdom722]

General Trag, Usagi Yojimbo 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@razrentals8897]

I know….

[@benjaminwiseman6567]

Rat King and Rappin' Mike both look great! I get why they're doing the new Leonardo and battle-damaged Foot Soldier, but it's annoying. They don't want to invest in new sculpts, but they have to know those won't sell very well, so the low investment is still a bad one, and more annoyingly, it further puts off getting the updated figures we really want.

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah, I agree. I could see the foot soldier doing ok, but the reaction to the Leo seems mixed to me. I could see a decent amount of people skipping him. You could have just put out like a set of extra Leo heads and included that shawl and it’d be the same minus a few minor details.

[@benjaminwiseman6567]

@@razrentals8897 or just fix the hips, wrist pegs, and shade of gold on the first Samurai Leo of you really want to go low investment

[@joe3mf]

I'm still disappointed about it being completely different from the Playmates figure and I think S7 is missing out on the opportunity presented by the ban since they could have gone crazy with the creative concepts and expanded on them into even wackier Ideas instead of what they did with this figure, which is just the main concept but taken to the bare minimum. Why not a 3 point hook instead of the og 2 points. And how I miss the punk rats, which could have been presented with the looks of punk Don if they'd gone for the 3 point hook. Imagine a skateboard made of rats with different kinds of wheels based on the rat king concept (a lot of rats entangled by their tails). The crossbow could have been made out of the snake skin or they could have kept the snake belt with cheese and rat traps and used the cat as the crossbow. Anyway, I just think they're going into the wrong direction with this series and I'm devastated that we'll never get a modernized Wyrm.

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah I agree with you. The new Leonardo was a new design and he seems very basic. He has a few accessories that capture the turtle style, but when I think of the old Playmates toys I think of excess detail and he doesn’t have that at all. This series had that, but it’s shifting to a place where I care less and less about it. I love your Rat King weapon ideas. I wish they had somebody working for them that truly understood the zany and gross designs we loved back then. Not getting an Ultimates Wyrm is such a huge let down. He was such an amazing action figure back then. I’d love to see him, Dirtbag, General Tragg, there’s too many! And now it’s going to shift to 2003 turtles. I loved that show and the playmates toys, but nowhere near as much as the 88-93 figures. If they’re done right they’ll be very stylish which means they won’t mix well with the earlier ultimates figures.

[@wesleysteeleiv]

This Wave is garbage, 3 variants (again) of characters we already have.

[@razrentals8897]

Yeah I agree. At the moment the line seems stuck. This wave needed at least one other classic mutant character to get peoples attention. The Rappin mike is ok, but the new Leo doesn’t seem to be winning too many people over.

[@JtMills]

What Crusaders stuff are you missing exactly? I wouldn’t mind helping a Troma fan and contributing to the channel. Let me know! ☢️🧹💪🏻

[@shadowofbosstown]

Helping? This guy has disposable income out of the ass. Sickening.

[@razrentals8897]

Mostly just one or two things from each figure. I’m slowly putting them together. What’d you think of the latest Toxic Avenger trailer? I thought it looked good, but I’ll save my judgement for when I see the whole thing. I can’t wait for these new trick r treat studios figures to come out!