Superalloy Darkshine vs Flashy Flash Is Pretty One-Sided

[@Mike60606]

This was THE fight in the webcomic. Now Flashy Flash had to go and have a Dragon Ball Z battle in the sky and embarrass Darkshine.

[@African-AmericanGoose]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ben-lo3op]

was it really tho? Both of them fought Awakened Garou 2v1 and after a few scenes the smoke goes away and only Flashy Flash and Garou were still standing, clearly indicating that FF is stronger than Darkshine. And then he continues on being able to dodge a relatively srs Awakened Garous attacks for a while eventhough pre awakened Garou dominated Darkshine speedwise. Not to mention that FF after taking that Mans scrolls and Sword had enough ap to casually one hit a massively sized Dragon Lvl and there are several implications that he is the only threat to Metal Knight alongside Tatsumaki in the S class (not counting the constantly absent Blast) and that Metal Knight(or the Neo Heroes or Drive Knight if they turn out to be the bad guys instead) specifically waited to launch their attack to a moment where both FF and Tatsumaki are on missions. So really in the Webcomic aswell FF is very clearly stronger with better feats,statements,narrative and portrayel and I never understood why FF vs Darkshine was such a Discussion among Fans

[@CatotheE]

@@Ben-lo3op Yes. It was. In the ee comic, DS took more and stronger hits and was still getting up. I don’t even know that FF can hurt him.

[@bennogb5069]

@@CatotheE well, in the manga FF blitzes DS so hard. Golden S, eventough he wasnt able to actually hurt DS skin, DS can still be knocked out by hits like that. With his weapon, FF could def hurt DS.

[@CatotheE]

@@bennogb5069 I meant the web comic.

[@mangekyosharingan2351]

Bruh I sometimes forget how strong flashy flash is. Crazy how he's rank 13 he is EASILY the 3rd strongest S class hero.

[@forgmanguy]

4th*. You forgot about king.

[@mangekyosharingan2351]

@forgmanguy oh yea how could I forget

[@SatorisYT]

My thoughts can he found in my top 20 strongest One Ounch Man characters video, but yeah, he's definitely one of the top dogs.

[@rexpowercolt8216]

He was able to dodge Saitama's light hand grip, this is hella impressive and i think he is Dragon+, or i am tripping ​@@SatorisYT

[@Funkyleb]

@@rexpowercolt8216considering he went toe to toe with platium s and awakened garou w/o a sword he definely is him

[@lukeskywalker8706]

Flashy Flash folds Darkshine with no difficulty, Darkshine’s whole thing is being strong and durable yet Flashy Flash who’s all about speed still has better durability and strength feats.

[@MZOver]

Hi Satori. Before watching, I think FF wins. He fought a way stronger Garou than the one Darkshine fought

[@Business458]

But darkshine only got a nose bleed and Garou was unable to keep fighting at the end of it even if Darkshine gave up Keep in mind that the fight took place after Orochi beat him

[@syenous2454]

@@Business458 Garou was unable to keep fighting because his monsterization began not because he got beaten badly by DS, earlier in the fight after Garou's clothes first spiraled DS hit him with the double bazooka and Garou recovered instantly

[@bennogb5069]

@@Business458 Garou stomped DS and he wasnt even really monsterized. He was still mostly human. And FF with his weapon would be able hurt Plat S due to weapons maing Ninjas way stronger.

[@amogus1415]

Flashy flash "Dont mind me,just passing through" darkshine proceeds to get vaporized🗿🗿

[@Mx_E_is_me]

Agree, I remember talking to my cousin about Flashy Flash vs Tatsumaki, with me saying that Flashy Flash stands no chance against Tatsumaki, but my cousin brought up a good point that Flashy Flash does stand a small chance because their way faster than Tatsumaki and could beat Tatsumaki before they could put their barrier up. Granted we both agree that Flashy Flash would still lose 8 times out of 10, but the fact that Flashy Flash stands any chance against Tatsumaki goes to prove why they would dominate Darkshine, as I can’t see Darkshine beating Tatsumaki under any circumstances.

[@0nlyBoston]

while that is mostly correct, tatsumaki almost ALWAYS has her barriers on. even in situations in which she doesn't need it. flashy flash is an assassin, though. so, the only way i see him winning is if he like.. idk, assassinates her in her sleep? that's if she doesn't use her barrier while sleeping.

[@mikeym.4724]

I think a Easy way to explain the cell number Is that Golden said His whole arm (from shoulder to hand) was 12 trillion cells but he only lost His forearm (so he would only lost half of His arm) meaning only he only lost 6 trillion cells (as he would only lose half of His arm as he only lost His forearm). Which would meant His total number was 49 trillion Meaning he would be weaker than Platinum Other argument Is that he used the cells on His lost arm in the fusion. Making Platinum still having somewhat His full number.

[@quacker2212]

I feel like this matchup could change dramatically in the next few weeks with all the new chapters with flashy flash coupled with the rewrites.

[@Ishcabibble14]

TLDR: Darkshine takes damage from a much weaker garou than the garou that flashy flash, without a weapon, fought. The same garou who one shot vomit fuhrer ugly who decimates Darkshine

[@dimass4031]

Garou vs Flashy Flash is already a new form from Darkshine battle

[@kalaasmna9116]

Darkshine would probably defeat fuhrer ugly if it wasn't for the acid

[@MHF013]

Another thing you could mention is how Flashy Flash is able to survive hits from Garou's Monster Calamity God Slayer Fist, which is supposed to be a combination of every single martial arts style that Garou mastered, with all of their strengths and none of their weaknesses. Meaning that Garou's God Slayer Fist should be much stronger than the Exploding Heart Release Fist, which when used by a Sleeping Garou was strong enough to disintegrate Bang's bones with a mere graze. Like, this is absolutely insane. We have Spiral Garou matching Darkshine's full strength, then evolving into a monster and becoming stronger against Bang, and then he gets stronger once again after waking up and developing the God Slayer Fist. Even when we ignore the Golden / Platinum Sperm side of the conversation completely, Flashy Flash is still unarguably more durable than Darkshine.

[@CreepierVonJ]

There are few things that make me as excited as you posting

[@SatorisYT]

😀

[@alexsere3061]

I love how the powerscaling brainrot can make someone think that a character themed after gold, having a powerup scene, and becoming themed around platinum (which is almost always seen as superior to gold) is weaker. Its on the level of saying that a character which gets a x2 power boost may be weaker because "if you double a negative number its smaller". It is borderline illiterate behavior.

[@strategicmassey3429]

Platinum was just a more perfect form. Not necessarily greater in durability or strength as that was the gold forms forte.

[@onebitedino1765]

@@strategicmassey3429That… literally makes no sense. Platinum S being inferior to Golden S in any way, means he isn’t perfect. Platinum S wouldn’t be viewed as superior if he was faster but weaker.

[@kalaasmna9116]

Here's a fun fact,golden S was made up of 54 trillion black s,platinum is made up of 54 trillion,so there was no change in terms of levels,there was only change in terms of different paths,one is super strong and buff,the other is super fast and agile

[@strategicmassey3429]

@@kalaasmna9116 facts

[@Weirdgeek83]

What you're seeing is the general inability of people to admit they're wrong. The "well actually" arguments on response to every comment are infuriating. It doesn't take an investigative team to get to the bottom of this. Platinum is better than golden. Anyone who disagrees is trying to be contrarian just to look smart.

[@mrperfectcell5079]

He literally would kick a hole through darkshine

[@kbjs30]

Also, when Cosmic Garou shows up, Darkshine is still unconcious while Flashy Flash is back on his feet nearly unscathed.

[@angrybirb756]

Hey man video idea: Metal bat vs super alloy Darkshine, it’s a really cool matchup. Nice vid btw

[@SatorisYT]

Thanks! Metal Bat is sort of a pain to scale, but I might make that video in the future sometime.

[@angrybirb756]

Metal bats fighting spirit is just like garos ability to grow. Now their durability gets really confusing as since Darkshine was bodied by a suppressed golden S( it is just my assumption that he didn’t use full power) however metal bat survived a really crazy barrage from sage centipede and sage centipede is much stronger than golden S. it’s really confusing

[@mikeym.4724]

​@@SatorisYT Metal Bat negs dude. Surviving the grand Centepede march already makes him More powerful than Darkshine.

[@funnature8679]

this is the order after Garou was chained up and after some moments Puri puri prisoner rush to aid Garou and he called attempts to wake him up in a "hey, we need to rescue you". 6:49 Dodging swords when moving at the speeds of a human is pretty challenging even with Saitama level durability it's really, yet deflecting is possible for him. If you can do a horizontal jump far with one stride/push with your leg like 4 million meters, then that person is strong with their strength. Darkshine was punched, then backflipped tumbled by golden s, then his own bodyweight flipped and tumbled uncontrollably and launched really far like 250kg being launched at the speeds of 50 mph or higher and being tumbled many times over then slide on his shoulder, while punched in the face. Swords and stone can't do damage to Darkshine yet they can "apply force gently" and push on flashy flash and sense that his body is slightly mushed by rocks, not even a big chunk of concrete of a building can withstand Darkshine's durable head.

[@Shane-ed6mu]

My Mom vs My Dad is COMPLETELY onesided 🗿

[@rafaellacerdaamador9794]

uhuuuuu finally you're back with the fights between OPM characters. (And after the current arc end you can make a video about Garou vs Void.)

[@doomsteryeht]

THIS WOULD BE SO GOOD!

[@moelester1945]

As Platinum is transforming you can see the icon Jupiter surface texture with is not present with golden S birth. This to me makes the most sense to why platnum is far stronger even if his cell count is lower.

[@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot]

Also another argument for Platinum is that black S only mencions that the cells die when fusing into Platinum. They say 54 trillion cells died for Platinum to be born even thought 43 were from Golden S. That might be why Platinum is stronger despite having less cells than Golden.

[@Vantud391]

It's funny that people think speed and durability doesn't go along with each other. No, the body has to be strong to support certain speed, the faster the stronger you are. And funny how coincidently I made a what if of Darkshine vs Flash a few days ago on Reddit.😊

[@7MOOOODY95]

Awesome! as always

[@SatorisYT]

Thank You!

[@animatorbroman3710]

People say Darkshine (DS), and I'm thinking that Flashy Flash is gonna fight my 3DS next

[@graljoffrewithoutanarmy860]

As unfounded, dumb & fanboy-esque as it might be, my headcanon is that most of Darkshine's stats, but mainly his durability & strength get either super nerfed with his loss of confidence OR get omega buffed WITH his confidence being high, like if Darkshine had an Unbreakable resolve & fought Flash it would be competitive if only because this Darkshine (of my headcanon) should have an immense durability(either uber-buffed or without nerfs) so that Flash feels he has to use his sword to actually deal damage, now when it comes to speed Flash should still be way faster than this fanboy version of Darkshine but not on a blitz level, so Flash would have to keep up his guard otherwise a direct hit from this Darkshine would hurt him badly, basically ending the fight with Flash slowing down enough from the damage taken that he wpuld get hit again, & lose, BUT I still think that this makes more of a High-Diff for both sides, Flashy Slashes should still make Darkshine bleed. TL,DR: I fanboy DS & think it would be a 50/50. If you think this sounds dumb, refer to the beginning of this Wall O'Text, & you're right. Have a nice day! :3

[@SatorisYT]

I think it would be a way more satisfying version to the canon one lol

[@myusername3689]

​@@SatorisYTAgreed

[@MrSylex]

Hey in a previous video, you did talk about a monsterised version of every S class heros and I was wondering what could it be in a cosmic version. Or you could maybe make a hypothetic video of "and if Tatsumaki did accept gods power, what would happens? There are so idea for a video in the futur if your are interested ^^ Keep your nice work

[@SatorisYT]

Thanks! Cosmic Tatsumaki is something that I might talk about sometime in the future (:

[@lol3255q]

great video flash should win this pretty comfortably tbh

[@kylehendricksilveralvin5376]

To be fair, I think they retconned the acid wounds on Darkshine to being just superficial, even if those are clearly his bones in that panel. You can see in chapter 185 that the scars only show up when he's looking down and defeated and don't show up in the mirror (his hands specifically, I know he's wearing a shirt), leading me to believe they may only be psychological and not really physical. Obviously it could just be a sequence error as well, he needs to show up again for us to really see it

[@morning_youtube_star]

Flashy flash blitz but Darkshine still has better dura and strength because Darkshine is a coward. He acted towards G-sperm the same way he did with a weaker garou, though darkshine could've dominate garou at that point but he got scared. His outermost skin got stripped from the acid and he saw golden s tank that same acid and got scared. NOTE THIS IS NOT BECAUSE GOLDEN S IS MORE DURA, gold is literally acid resistant, atomic literally cut his arm off like butter. Due to this Darkshine is more strong and durable than Flashy flash but everything else goes to flashy. Flashy flash no-low difs.

[@Alzerath83]

I’m assuming you’re waiting for the current ninja village to finish for extra content to add

[@mediumbeetle9964]

This was extremely thorough! I fully agree. It was very solid to point out that the association’s assessment is skewed. I think that’s easily overlooked. This is just speculation, but do u think darkshine’s eyes are as tough as his skin? I don’t. I know this isn’t OPM’s style, but if it came down to it, Flashy could probably just stab or slice his eyes. Darkshine would be done.

[@SatorisYT]

Thank You! I would think Darkshine's eyes probably aren't as durable as his skin. There's not really a way to tell, but it wouldn't make much sense for them to be as tough as his muscles. So yeah, Flash could probably just stab his brain through the eye socket if it came down to it. And he is the type of person who would do that if he saw no other option.

[@CausalViewer23]

Meanwhile genos just incinerates them 😅. All of the s class (no tats) vs armoured Boros?

[@jocoolshow]

Flash blitzes Genos pretty bad

[@higorss]

I think they were originally equal with FF being faster and Darkshine being stronger. But as he was the last hero standing in the surface they decided to make him fight Monster Garou and PS. As much before he was kinda struggling with a demon level octopus monster, that Darkshine would've turned it to mush with a light tap.

[@retcon9468]

Flashy wasn't "struggling" his attacks just lack the AoE to deal with large monsters and he was going to finish it off with one move regardless before Tatsumaki interrupted

[@Djdj-mp3fr]

@@retcon9468yeah flashy never showed any signs of struggle also dark shine was never shown to be light speed level so he loses

[@jocoolshow]

Flash was always supposed to be on that level. In the Webcomic he 1 v 1’d Awakened Garou and did the best out of the entire S class (Darkshine was the only one who also did well) In the manga, they had him one shot 2 Dragon/Cadre level monsters in a 2 v 1. He didn’t struggle with the demon, the only issue was it’s size

[@yuugenr7549]

What would darkshine do when flashy flash light speed slash darkshines eyes 😂

[@Djdj-mp3fr]

@@yuugenr7549 he meant they were equal as one was fast and one was strong not that they were equal in a fight

[@doomsteryeht]

You know It's a good day when Satori uploads. Anyway Flashy wins imo, he's too fast.

[@Natty5D]

Story def turned in favour of ff since like the surface fight I wouldnt say that DS is close to light speed, the upscale of other characters speed would be too insane if hes ftl let alone if demons are ftl The merge is considered 1 entity so GS stats are worth 43 trillion no matter what he loses, so PS upscales that. Cant be weaker Well there is a reason the story didnt even try to make ff fight when they got serious. The timer upscale is just insane. From ppl/cameras seeing the after math (light trail) to then going to 1 millisecond. Thats like 100-1000x speed diffirence. Sounds crazy but ppl really downplay PS

[@maderadealmendra123]

In fact the difference is even bigger. Just after Flashy Flash, Platinum S and Garou start fighting, King starts talking to Saitama and Genos and we know it's a conversation at normal speed because King doesn't have super speed. Also right after Flashy Flash was defeated, the light structure became much denser.

[@Natty5D]

@@maderadealmendra123 You have to keep in mind that the light trails is just the aftermath. So they can stay in the sky for like a few seconds. It doesnt take ff seconds to cover that distance cuz he moves at light speed or above. But the upscale still uplies

[@maderadealmendra123]

​@@Natty5DNow that you mention it, it makes more sense.

[@RealUberman1]

I’m if darkshine isnt confident in himself he looses easily. It’s why he lost to garou and probably why he got one shot by golden S because he was freaking out over someone having a better body than him.

[@RealUberman1]

I never said “I’m” at the start so I have no idea why it’s there.

[@epicsavagebros7400]

Honestly agree with this. I am actually of the belief that Darkshine is the most durable s-class outside of blast the thing is it’s only when he believes this himself. He probably would have beaten ugly is he wasn’t made of acid (something that would have been an issue for golden s if it wasn’t for him being made of gold thus being resistant to acid.) I think darkshine could have kept up with golden s for a time (mostly as a punching bag) since durability wise he should be about as tough as golden s is strong he just lacks the belief in himself to make this ability truly usable

[@syenous2454]

@@epicsavagebros7400 I agree that DS could have put up a better fight against GS if he actually tried instead of just standing there and getting hit but a one hit KO is still a one hit KO regardless of mindset

[@Thefadingkm]

Flashy flash folds easily too:)

[@Daemo_alt]

Darkshine is light speed. (Slightly lower or higher than light speed) with island+ AP and durability. Flashy Flash is light speed+ (A few times higher than light speed) with Island+ AP and durability. If Darkshine had will power. He might be able to beat Flashy flash but Flash is just faster. Also the dodging light isn't a relvastic feat cuz just cuz it carries the properties of light doesn't mean its as fast as it. As actual light speed attacks in later things are shown no dodged by characters faster than Genos.

[@womanofinfinity5773]

Darkshine is at least country+ AP wise because a dragon level monster can destroy a city(which is the size of a country) I personally put him at continental. Flashy flash scales way above so..

[@MHF013]

Flashy Flash is obviously stronger but some people (Grimm) still live in denial.

[@near5156]

thats literally ronnie coleman

[@SatorisYT]

I'm pretty sure Darkshine wa sbased off of him

[@angrybirb756]

Btw just because Darkshine specialises in defence doesn’t mean he’s the most durable hero

[@RaginBajan]

"Lightspeed Darkshine". I refuse to believe that, even as a person that thinks he's a lot stronger than most of the internet

[@jocoolshow]

That speed tier is what lower mid tier S class heroes like pre G4 Genos are at

[@thedog2123]

​@@jocoolshow accurate. Genos dodging light speed lazers go brrr (how we know g4 lazers be light, is when Genos said he can disperse it. Which he did with the mist)

[@om9959]

​@@thedog2123because thats what the speed of lazer.Darkshine casually reacting garau who is several blitz tier above cockroach who is ftl.So yeah darshine is easily ftl.

[@solairesamv]

I still think Golden Sperm is stronger than platinum, not by much but noticeable, but platinum is significantly faster than Golden.

[@om9959]

Platinum is the ultimate fusion.Not atomic samurai shocked by platinum sensed ki .Never he gave he reaction like that against like golden s.

[@baboin1851]

Good morning Satori, this is an algorithm fuel⛽ comment. Good morning and I hope you are alright after that long stay yesterday night.

[@SatorisYT]

Thanks! Yeah, stayed up editing and then doing other things way too long lol

[@cdrizzy1]

I agree that FF wins, but I think you are downplaying Darkshine's durability quite a bit in this video. FF wouldn't tank Vomited Fuhrer Ugly's dissolving attack either. And Darkshine was one shot by Golden AFTER being damaged/weakened. It is debatable if Golden S has the attack potency to KO a healthy Darkshine. Fuhrer's attack potency is underrated, Golden S only tanked because of his anti-corrosive properties. Others aren't surviving like Darkshine did. Nothing that Darkshine tanked did substantial damage to him as you've stated, while FF was KO'd by Platinum S. It is debatable if the same attacks by Platinum would KO a healthy Darkshine or even substantially damage him at all. I think durability goes to Darkshine, but I think FF would still take the fight mid diff as long as he can damage Darkshine.

[@SatorisYT]

The acid, yeah, Flashy isn't tanking that. And I did bring up in the video that Golden should be above Darkshine, but I specifically also said that it's not because of the punch he threw against Darkshine, cuz that was clearly Darkshine completely off guard. It's because he outspeed and pummeled Fuhrer Ugly with no difficulty. The same Fuhrer Ugly who could react to and clash equally with Darkshine strength wise.

[@cdrizzy1]

@@SatorisYT Yeah true, but also Fuhrer Ugly scales to Darkshine's strength, not his durability. So I think my original point stands. As you said, Darkshine couldn't even damage himself with his strength. We haven't seen any physical-based attack do substantial damage to healthy Darkshine, unlike FF, who was KO'd by Platinum.

[@om9959]

​@@cdrizzy1Darkshine bleed against spiral garau.While flashy ,band and gold s scaled to monster garau.Even his durabilty is not that impressive compare to top tiers.

[@thedog2123]

​@@om9959darkshine bleed when Garou used a form of fajin towards his stomach. A move that bypasses durability. So I think it's a little bit of a mute point

[@CatotheE]

It is in the manga. The webcomic had them on the same level.

[@lookeshdas455]

Sonic Vs Darkshine would be a better match lol

[@ktrover9261]

While i do agree with everything in this video, it’s stated Darkshine physically gets weaker if he lose confidence, so i 100% believe a confident darkshine would be able to fight Golden S but he was intimidated by his superior looking muscles & garou was rapidly growing in power, no proof S gets stronger the more he fights. It’s a Jjk type of thing, if darkshine lose confidence he ends up nerfing himself

[@Oscar-ek2jx]

Dont tell me that speed o sound sonic is more durable than darkshine... (according to new chapter)

[@SatorisYT]

Possibly

[@Lovers_DarkPeasant]

Flashy flash is actually holding back little bit

[@RxJ.]

Cool video :) Jin mori vs saitama? 🤩🙃🥹

[@SatorisYT]

I'd need to read up on Jin Mori.

[@RxJ.]

@@SatorisYT keep it up 👌👀

[@pescimemoni9012]

okay but like Darkshine is like REALLY buff idk, it might be tough

[@N0P3Sugar]

So Platinum S is just Frieza 😂

[@SatorisYT]

Sort of (:

[@Lovers_DarkPeasant]

I wish Frieza has platinum form instead black form (when I realized is actually racist)

[@Steven_178]

Hell ngl flashy in the webcomic is pretty durable too taking hits from awakened garou like dang ONE must really like flashy flash

[@isabelpage5950]

Yeah, the showings contradict the narrative here. At least unless you believe Darkshine took basically no damage and it was all just mentally defeating himself.

[@isabelpage5950]

Can you imagine how funny it would be if Darkshine pulls off a better speed feat than Flash? Just totally break the power scaling.

[@Logicalreasoner99]

Darkshine: FIGHT ME! Flashy flash: ok 2 seconds later: darkshine gets chopped in half

[@iemsadityamohanta2046]

16:47 what's wrong with that

[@thewacher2161]

Satori this has so be the worst most wonky powerscaling I've ever seen I'm not gonna lie to you. Superalloy darkshine making FTL is actually almost laughable

[@SatorisYT]

Why? Atomic Samurai cuts lasers casually, Genos dodges light beams over a distance, Garou dodges lasers, Darkshine scales above all those guys at the points in the story where they did their feats.

[@monkecoc]

Is this a Repost? I swear i've seen this before tf?

[@SatorisYT]

Nah, I've never done this topic before

[@TheGmen20001]

Rocky Balboa!!!!!

[@sammcfarlane2494]

I wonder how Darkshine would react to Saitama’s strength?

[@SatorisYT]

Probably freak out, but then start admiring the strength of his muscles. That's how I would imagine it.

[@sammcfarlane2494]

@@SatorisYT yeah, that figures, he’d also ask to be his disciple, and train his muscles.

[@RayAkuma]

Why is L wearing an Akazuki cloak?😂

[@SatorisYT]

Because the channel was on a budget back when I made the video avatar 😅 It still is on a budget, but I'll probably have a new high quality video avatar drawn at some point.

[@mitromney]

Still no answer to Golden obviously having the same cell count? Then once again - you are wrong. Same cell count = same power. So if speed increases other stats have to drop. It's common sense. Feats confirm this and you just downplay them again based on some vague claims about perfect merger than might as well simply mean Sperm values speed over strength. Your answers are just not satisfying and go clearly against author's intent. Recently Flash received burns from Sonic throwing some tiny explosives at him. Can you imagine Darkshine being bothered by those? Wrong answer!

[@SatorisYT]

I am convinced you watched the video with your eyes closed and your ears plugged. Literally everything in the narrative goes against Golden being stronger, or even as strong as Platinum. There's like 10 statements to the contrary. I'll be making another Platinum vs Golden video sometime, so please watch that with your ears open, OK? Though I doubt you would change your mind either way.

[@SatorisYT]

OK, maybe that was too mean, but seriously, try to hear the arguments next time before commenting please

[@mitromney]

@@SatorisYT You are right, I did not address all of your arguments. That is not fair on my part, I guess. Here's all of your arguments addressed properly, like you asked: *Arguments FOR Platinum being stronger (as delivered by yourself):* 1. Atomic Samurai says his aura is immense after seeing Golden and not saying anything. 2. Child Emperor say he is in his top form 3. Black Sperm himself stating this is his perfect form. 4. Black Sperm believes he can one shot King who killed Elder Centipede and whom Golden was weary about. *Arguments AGAINST Platinum being stronger (as presented by yourself):* 1. Golden Sperm has similar cell count. 2. Golden Sperm is bulkier and more muscular, a fitting build for a more durable/stronger fusion while Platinum is built like an sleek athlete, fitting for a speedster. 3. Platinum couldn't kill weaker heroes like Atomic and Puri Puri. Now, let's see your answers to the AGAINST arguments first: 1. Golden Sperm's count doesn't matter because... other arguments. Okay, so you HAVE no answer. So it is 1:0 for the Golden Sperm bro. 2. Golden Sperm is bulkier alright, but it doesn't matter, because, anime tropes, like Garou, etc. Bro. The context here is a LOT different. Garou's limiter is beginning to break at that point. So very much like Saitama - his strength is starting to go beyond what is physically possible for a being his size. Darkshine can't believe it as well - he says "is he even human?" strongly suggesting it's just not possible to have that much strength with muscles that size, even by OPM logic and standards. That is not the case for Darkshine and Golden Sperm though. Golden Sperm's size is underlined specifically to showcase his strength. Darkshine says his muscles are bigger and then Golden Sperm one shots him, proving the difference in their muscles correct. So when his muscles are shrinking, why shouldn't we assume he is getting physically weaker as well? What exactly changed? This is the same entity we're talking about! When his muscles were bigger than Darkshine - he was stronger than Darkshine. But when his muscles got significantly smaller... he got even physically stronger? That's your logic? It's nonsense! 3. Platinum is just holding back... for no reason at all, it's anime bro. Also, his casual antenna attack is probably not that strong. WHAT Platinum TORE ZOMBIEMAN IN HALF. He is not pulling his punches there. If he wanted to keep the heroes alive for some unknown reason, he wouldn't be actively hitting them hard enough to literally split them in two at the same time. Also, for some reason, you skipped Iaian there. I'm not sure why, but the fact that Platinum hit him straight in the face and he just woke up with no bruises on him even some chapters later, proves Platinum's strength is ABSOLUTELY a tier below Golden without any room for doubt. Iaian is the same guy who struggled against a demon level monster with two other A classes in the same arc. He is the same guy who got his arm ATOMIZED by a dragon level attack coming from Melzargard. Can you imagine Darkshine hitting Iaian and him not exploding, like we've seen demon level monsters do? Absurd! So how much was Platinum holding back exactly? Are you really suggesting he was, for no reason at all, suddenly he dropped his strength from like multi-continental to freakin building level? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous! And yes, there is further proof for that! Platinum's antenna is NOT WEAK. Not even when he uses it casually. Just a couple chapters later, while still fighting 2 vs 1 against Flash and Garou, Platinum is still HOLDING BACK most of his power and speed, that he is yet to show when he is left with Garou for a proper 1 vs 1. And yet, he is using the antenna, in sync with his two fists, to stop FLASHY FIST! There is your scaling falling in ruin altogether. If Flash can go 100%, with his ultimate move, and Platinum can use his antenna WHILE HOLDING BACK to stop it, then there is no way in the freakin universe Flash scales above Darkshine. In other words, arguments AGAINST your position all work very well! But now, let's also talk about your positive arguments. FOR: 1. Atomic Samurai's comment about an aura... is an argument from silence. In other words, not even demanding evidence by its very nature. Just because Atomic Samurai didn't comment on Golden doesn't mean he wouldn't do it. Maybe he was busy, ya know, dealing with the sunblade and all. Or maybe he did think of Golden similarly, we just didn't get the panel. It doesn't even matter. Unless we have a statement of Atomic literally saying "This aura is immense - MUCH BIGGER THEN THAT OF GOLDEN'S" or any other complementary statement, on its own, the statement can't be used to compare the two. It's a statement about Platinum's power. In isolation of any other info from Atomic. It means nothing to this debate. 2. Child Emperor says he is in his top form - another non-argument. This time, it's because it is an argument from the unreliable narrator. Child Emperor has not seen Platinum in action yet. He is obviously just throwing around guesses. And considering he still thinks King is the strongest man alive despite having like 500 IQ, I'd say that his opinion doesn't matter unless he has some data to work with. Next. 3. Black Sperm stating his Platinum form is the ultimate form is NOT an equivallent of him stating Platinum is his physically strongest form. Like I said in my original comment above, Platinum may be simply implying he doesn't need as much strength to deal with King and other heroes, that he only needs ultimate speed and they are all toast. And guess what bro, narratively THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. What does Golden Sperm say after one shotting Darkshine, supposedly the most durable hero? "Far too weak" for all Spem knows, heroes are not actually a problem due to their durability but sheer speed and numbers. Notice that he had problems with Atomic Samurai because of his speed in his sunblade form. If he easily one shots the most durable hero in his golden form but lacks the speed to deal with heroes like Atomic, choosing to amp his speed considerably at the cost of some of his strength doesn't seem like a bad conclusion. 4. You're saying it doesn't make sense for him to make himself weaker in front of King, but King is known for his STRENGTH not durability! Darkshine is the well known tank! Once again - as far as Golden knows, he is already more than strong enough to take any hero down after dealing with Darkshine that easily. Garou said the same thing earlier "If my attacks succeed against you Darkshine, it means there isn't anybody I can't beat" Golden EASILY one shots Darkshine, so it may be thinking "THIS is the best defence in the hero world? I must've put too many cells into my strength already... I'll shift some into speed with this next amp, then I'll be perfect to deal with this lot!" - Tell me exactly, what is wrong with that logic? It fits all the statements, and the narrative, and the feats as well.

[@SatorisYT]

@@mitromney I said I would address the cell count in another video. The Platinum S vs Golden S section was taking way too long already. I don't think most of your debunks work, but I'll go into that in the video.

[@mitromney]

​@@SatorisYT Sure, then I will address the argument once you make it. Your main issue to me is that you are completely fixated on "power" or "perfection" and other clearly very broad statements necessairly implying increase of physical strength, while that is simply nowhere in the context and it is alien to OPM lore in general. There is a ton of characters who think of speed being the ultimate stat that indicates supreme power and disregard physical strength entirely. Look at Sonic and his "ultimate strength through speed" statement. And not just speed. Genos believes ultimate strength comes from superior firepower and never once focuses his upgrates on his mere lifting strength. Tatsumaki thinks ultimate power comes from telekinetic ability. Metal Knight - through sheer quantity and of advanced weaponry at his disposal. Drive Knight believes ultimate power is intel you have. Child Emperor believes its the intellect that makes you strong. There are very few characters in OPMverse that would conclude ultimate power is physical strength. You NEED to prove that it applies to your case, you can't just assume it. There is no reason to think Platinum thinks he is perfect now because he is strongest. That's not what he is saying at all. What is Platinum telling King? "Now that I'm Platinum, Ican just tank your motion canon"? No. "Now that I'm Platinum, I can just punch your motion canon away and overpower you with my strength"? No. He says that now... he can blitz and one shot King when he tries his ultimate move. THINK Satori bro. It's not that hard. Context is there. Dialogue points that way too. There are the low strength feats with Iaian and PPP, there's the cell count co tradiction, even the design of the character. It all fits, it's OBVIOUS!

[@jextern7961]

Wanted your opinion on Saitama traveling back in time and undoing everything that happened a few chapters prior. Like do you believe it’s a good thing or bad because everything that happened before is now meaningless

[@SatorisYT]

To be blunt, I don't like it. The manga took a major dip for me after Garou vs Bang concluded in general. That's not to say there aren't moments I like, but overall, I enjoyed it way less than the rest of the manga up until that point. The time reversal was just the cherry on top.

[@jextern7961]

@@SatorisYT alright

[@jextern7961]

@@SatorisYT would you say it ruined opm and has it gotten any better or redeemed itself since that happened?

[@SatorisYT]

@@jextern7961 One Punch Man overall definitely hasn't been ruined for me, I still love 80-90% of it. But I'll wait for this arc to conclude before I jump to conclusions on whether I like it better than the webcomic and Cosmic Garou.

[@jextern7961]

@@SatorisYT alright thanks

[@kintsuki99]

Love how the video about Flashy Fash and Darkshine has a 6 minutes analise of Platinum Sperm... Anyway I disagree and say it would be a draw. There is nothing to say Golden S could damage Darshine and just happened that acid is something Darkshine could not tank. If anything the likely outcome of the fight would be that neither Falsh not Darkshine could hurt one another. Flash doesn't have any attack strong enough to penetrate Darkshine defenses, since he doesn not use acid attacks and Flash couldn't cut that octopus thing skin and it was already said that blades does not work on Darkshine, and Darkshine is just not fast enough to hit Flash.

[@moelester1945]

Darkshine face was visible heavily bruised after the golden s fight and garou made him spit out blood. Even if you dont think FF oneshot Darkshine their no doubt that his attacks will damage enough to eventually win.

[@om9959]

Darkshine literally said golden ass stronger than him.Golden ass overpowers ugly who rivals darkshine power.

[@MUI4440]

Platinum s > golden s mid diff.

[@Wasnt-1]

speed beats strength all day long

[@casualmemer7002]

Yeah but Darkshine is cool so sigmA

[@jordantaulbee9411]

i need a all might vs s class video from you people need to stop downplaying mha

[@zidanesimmons6096]

Mid to high diff

[@bigfella23729]

breaking bad taught me bald people are better

[@tienluong9648]

Pretty boring topic ngl

[@SatorisYT]

I know, but there's a lot about it that I think is misunderstood, plus I've seen people requesting KZbinrs to do it from time to time. Ane no one's actually done an updated video on this topic in 3-4 years.