Super Best Friends Play Detroit: Become Human (Part 2)

[@cattibingo]

Carl: “Humankind is nothing but greed. Markus! Wheel me closer to my stuffed giraffe!”

[@kerseykerman7307]

Captain Obvious here: Carl is included in humankind.

[@mastermarkus5307]

Yeah, but it seems weird to be upset about human greed while being a greedy human.

[@GuyUWishUWere]

Don't shit talk violence old man. If it wasn't for violence you wouldn't have those sweet taxidermy animals.

[@kerseykerman7307]

+Master Markus It's self awareness. Some people would also call it wisdom.

[@rikowolfin4984]

Other people would call it pretentious.

[@silverbard5244]

So far it looks like making all the main characters literal robots has actually made Cage's character writing feel appropriate.

[@TravisBroski]

Silver Bard But we’re all waiting for it to fall apart...

[@silverbard5244]

True, but the important part is that it legitimately falls apart on its own. Given this game's heavy-handed treatment of sensitive topics, I'm sure there will be plenty of stuff to mock in the course of the LP. Anywhere Quantic Dream has managed to mitigate the bad writing and direction, they deserve some credit.

[@android19willpwn]

well, they say to play to your strengths

[@DocFirebird]

I like the idea of a bored old man spending his days playing Frankenstein by trying to force an android to develop consciousness, but then his son comes in and screams I'M YOUR SHITTY SON AND YOU'RE USING THAT ROBOT AS A SURROGATE NON-SHITTY SON and it loses me.

[@thefox1901]

Exactly. I was actually enamored by the old man and his android's interactions... then the loser, jealous son stereotype walked in the door and I disconnected.

[@vgmaster9]

A fine example of bad writing.

[@Tamacat388]

Oh no a wild drug PSA appeared! D:

[@WoobooRidesAgain]

Learning more about the son's interactions with his father, even in little ways, would have been a really interesting way to explore Carl's character, to see if there is more to his doting and encouraging Marcus than just pure altruism. The fact that Carl's home shows no sign of his son even existing, not even childhood photos, has all kinds of interesting implications. But, this being Cage, it's probably less because Carl wants to forget about how he screwed up raising his son and more that they didn't even write Leo in until Cage wanted some instant gratification drama.

[@dowmein]

TPoseCulture or because he really needed to end the scene

[@uncharted3awesome]

One thing that I loved about the painting scene is that when he copied the statue, he was painting exactly like a printer, doing a horizontal movement, and I thought that was pretty neat.

[@jackgebhardt2932]

Cage stole that scene from Robbie.

[@LuxOverHeaven]

The dirty LP’ers stand in the back of the bus.

[@Norasuko]

And are the first to be run over by smart cars

[@Reqqqqqs]

No, the dirty LP'ers just line up under the wheels.

[@Pragabond]

Requian And live stream it to their KZbin and Twitch for the views.

[@jorgamund07]

So do the clean LP'ers... ah, who am I kidding.

[@BigFingerRo]

After being put there when they get exposed on podcasts.

[@Meanwhile-]

There's something extra petty about writing anti-android graffiti in the back of a bar that androids aren't allowed in.

[@AdmiralBetas]

It's like a real life hatesub on reddit

[@guidetoanything]

extra pointless* ftfy lol

[@OrlyYarlyOwl]

"The truth is, I have nothing left to say anymore." - *David Cage*

[@roetheboat1]

*David Cage at age 5*

[@android19willpwn]

oh no, the man has so much left to say that the real trick is getting him to be quiet for two minutes. It's just that none of it is worth much.

[@declaringpond2276]

wtf is up with the cage hate? What did he do to you to make you hate him no matter what?

[@emblemblade9245]

DeclaringPond 22 Make bad pretentious games that often talk about heavy material in a flawed and insensitive way?

[@Nemesis_T-Type]

@@emblemblade9245 I hate him because his taste in women suck, at least Kojima adds some nice fetish-bait, this doofus clearly only likes tomboy white girls with short hair

[@Satanos]

Today marked a pivotal moment in history where President Duma of Russia met Prime Minister Parliament of Canada and President Congress of the US.

[@AdmiralBetas]

I laughed harder than that joke deserved

[@WaitHowDidIGetHere]

Next week President Congress will meet with Chancellor Bundestag of Germany, while a trade delegation travels to Japan to meet with Prime Minister Kokkai.

[@AJPwny]

Can't believe King Monarch of the United Kingdom was assassinated, RIP in rest

[@superbro6413]

Douchebag son: "Do it for the exposure Dad"

[@kingofthemoon3063]

"Speak no more of this, Boy!"

[@rikowolfin4984]

Calling it now, the son kills his dad. Atreus: But why would anyone kill their own father? Kratos: *Nervous sweating*

[@Comkill117]

Riko Wolfin ZEUUUUUUUS!!!!!

[@roflcopter_launchpad1116]

Calling it now: The old man's going to leave his fortune to the Sexbot, along with a final command giving him full autonomy, before dying.

[@murciadoxial8056]

That would have been better than what we actually got...

[@JoeAconite]

Holy Shit a character sleeping in a bed UNDER THE COVERS.

[@mrwri]

It should have been on my card.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

Well, it took him 4 games, but he finally did it.

[@GyaruHaruUS]

No one in particular *~progress~*

[@SkyFeline]

NANI? MASAKA! BAKANA! *IMPOSSIBLE!*

[@gabbyprincip1575]

The future is finally here

[@AGrayPhantom]

19:00 My fiancee pointed out that Markus is played by Jesse Williams, who plays Dr. Avery in Grey's Anatomy. They intentionally got a hunk to play Markus.

[@FlameOfUdun96]

Matt “if they’re senile, end them in style” McMuscles

[@Neodante15]

GuardsmanGary these are too good for you have made them up on the spot.

[@rasseabreeze6246]

GuardsmanGary Matt "No Country for Old Men" McMuscles Matt "Matriarch Molester" McMuscles Matt "Seniority Scalper" McMuscles Matt "Frying the Retiring" McMuscles Matt "Dinosaur Defenestrator" McMuscles Matt "Old-Timer Organ-Harvester" McMuscles Matt "Golden-Age Grenader" McMuscles

[@acroar8049]

Holy fuck dude. These are great.

[@OldIronJohnson]

Matt "Old Man? Into the trash can" McMuscles Matt "Senior discount for hell" McMuscles Matt "Can't hear well, you go to hell" McMuscles Matt "Assisted dying" McMuscles Matt "Two to the dome in the nursing home" McMuscles Matt "Over sixty, get no pity" McMuscles Matt "Wrinkle remover" MscMucles Matt "Never got the good candy, see my modus operandi" McMuscles

[@MinersLoveGames]

Old Iron Johnson "Two to the dome in the nursing home." That one is fucking STRONG as fuck!

[@violetshadowstone5250]

*Press square to despair* is sephiroth's favorite button.

[@patrickloureiro1403]

that's his neutral special in dissidia

[@carlbates9110]

“No it’s President Duma.” Yeah, Russia is led by President Duma, and the United States is led by President Congress.

[@AdmiralBetas]

Yeah...? Just like the Galactic Empire is led by Emperor Senate. We know this

[@pareidolist]

"Is President Congress really corrupt?"

[@OfTheOverflow]

Had to scroll down the comments to read this

[@liamfitzmorris2793]

First time I've ever laughed out loud to myself watching TBF. Normally I just laugh quietly, on the inside, with only all those sets of eyes to keep me company.

[@tristancase8720]

Android birds in a cage. Do you get it yet? You you get the incredibly subtle allegory?

[@seb24789]

Another Blade Runner reference (to the book this time)?

[@gizoginjr]

Don't you understand? This game is just about androids. There's no allegory to be found here. David Cage said so, so it must be true.

[@GothaBillsAndDeath]

Guys, this isn't a race analogy, this is just how David Cage views his employees. We're watching art imitate life.

[@malikoniousjoe]

A Better Tomorrow What you don't realize is Cage is the Android here, and his employees are the crippled rich white guys

[@GothaBillsAndDeath]

What you don't realize is that in the future we all become Zucced.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

He's just asking a question about working for him.

[@GyaruHaruUS]

“Art”

[@BE-fw1lr]

David Cage makes his employees sit at the back of the bus while he hogs the entire front to himself.

[@KeenanRoz]

Man, being wheelchair-bound in the future sure is a bummer. If only Detroit was the birthplace of some kind of artificial limb industry. Oh well...

[@khaisha3183]

Yeah actually, what the hell I'm sure bolting a robo arm onto someone and having it work would be way easier than making the androids seen in game

[@juniorjunior5884]

*Grapple away.*

[@storageheater]

It's like they have no imagination, instead of coming up with something extraordinary it's just "A carer doing carer things for a disabled person, but it's a robot!" Like this guy is obviously very rich, it's a technologically advanced age, maybe we're meant to infer that he gets a kick out of living like this? And the physics of the chair is that of an office chair, it moves as if on castors, so someone in programming must have misunderstood "wheeled chair." And even the stairlift, when people first see them they often expect them to be a fun ride but it feels so unsafe, the details are all weird here.

[@castielrainyday8531]

pretty sure the old man is too frail, and having prosthetic limbs will probably tire him out in seconds

[@spookhyskeleton]

Actually there are modern prostetic limbs in this game, but the old man *never asked for them.*

[@TwenteeEight]

“Hold it together.” “NO.”

[@hurricanexanax]

You could make a killing by having your android paint commissions

[@godclothshango1194]

I demand these LP's be FOUR HOURS long.

[@TheNocturnal1]

Pimp Logic neh

[@Vampireinarm1]

then the LP would be two parts long, as sadly this game is way shorter than i thought it would be

[@MinersLoveGames]

FOUR FUCKING HOURS!?

[@JJMomoida]

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.

[@corazonfeathers8116]

To do that, they'd have to build up speed for 12 hours.

[@lincmart94]

I'm calling it. The will reuse the that "you never forget anything" line in a more serious seen. Probably with the Android saying "I never forget anything".

[@JonathanSicoli]

lincmart94 "Boy, those humans are fragile machines. Not like us androids, huh? I sure hope I never Detroit: Become Human."

[@lincmart94]

Laura Martin-Falla I dun goofed

[@Deadwolf27]

I was hoping each video would just get longer by a whole hour

[@notEisiger]

They're going to edge us by making every proceeding video half as long as the last.

[@EmmanuelTurner245225]

notEisiger And each day, the next video is posted two days later.

[@Deadwolf27]

Emmanuel-John Turner it takes two years to finish the LP the last video is a minute long

[@loganstorm889]

Deadwolf No...I have seen this once before. This false sense of what to expect, and turns into the constipation of waiting. We just have been KOTORed.

[@alejandroreyes9574]

notEisiger It'll never finish. Its like the race of Achilles used in calculus.

[@Dac85]

That painter scene was legit good, especially for The Cage. There's still plenty of time for him to fuck this up, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

[@DragonfameDracas]

Volta usually makes bad ass intros to things but DAMN!

[@TheNocturnal1]

Hi

[@MinersLoveGames]

LT. Krabs doesn't seem to be feeling it right now.

[@91drumfreak]

MinersLoveGames Feeling like a total barnacle-head right now

[@PrepareToTyEdition]

I hope that they somehow find out, and then somehow care. Gotta love Clancy Brown

[@Darthwaffler]

The first time I saw Clancy Brown was when he played Gus Gilbert ( The town Sheriff ) in Pet Sematary 2.

[@SerbianMeerkat]

I love the contrasting LP’s at the moment. I can go from watching Kratos and The Boi double teaming the Aesir gods to watching an android push an old man around in a wheelchair and paint pictures.

[@lancemassey336]

No Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE for you, huh?

[@lucasmartinez5703]

Tokyo what now?

[@SajirouPlays]

If you notice, he takes the coat off with the clear indicators that he's an android, meaning Bishop just let's him walk around illegally wearing hooman clothes rather than his law mandated glowy android labeled jacket. I like that.

[@kyre4189]

My guess is that it's mandated publicly, not in a privare/personal space. CyberLife likely wouldn't program an android for regular consumers to do something illegal. Though the scene definitely was about establishing that Carl doesn't treat Markus as an object but a person

[@adreamer5920]

If you leave the title screen running for long enough She tells you that they updated their privacy provicy

[@squidias]

A Dreamer she also had a Fun Fact about Detroit and the underground railroad but this games Not About Anything

[@BugsMcCoy]

Also a quote by some guy called Martin King? or his brother Luther King was it? NOOOO IDEA what that's about.

[@SpaceChicken]

Wait, there are fully independently walking androids, but no technology for functioning artificial limbs...?

[@kerseykerman7307]

There is a lot of technology for artificial limbs, but Carl never asked for them.

[@Wolf_Larsen]

Kersey Kerman underrated zing.

[@budmeister]

He didn't ask for this.

[@SapphireDragon357]

Plus there's a HUGE difference between building an AI with a body and connecting non-human parts to a human cerebral or nervous system.

[@RiveryJerald]

SolidSpiderZnake What about that one guy that had only 10% human and 90% robotics? Literally that one fucking boss battle

[@MaryJanePSO2]

i did some research on pats family tree so it turns out him and david cage are distant cousins

[@tailedgates9]

I believe it.

[@violet_turning_violent]

That explains EVERYTHING.

[@gundam2600]

Oh man I would love to see that.

[@WorldsRichestLesbian]

Wow, Markus turning on the android birds inside the gilded cage sure is a subtle metaphor...

[@WorldsRichestLesbian]

Nice to see Lance Henriksen in a game again, though.

[@kerseykerman7307]

Honestly, that one actually is quite subtle. I didn't even notice it until I saw the painting option "prisoner".

[@brainflash1]

Kratos: What do you call an Android that cannot be repaired? An Iphone.

[@TheSpidersider]

Close your heart to iphones, boy.

[@brainflash1]

Close your *wallet.

[@24_Hour_Majima]

I love thy Jest!

[@purplelemondoesstuff3044]

Taekwon Crawfish Well that was a Samsung phone, Android is more commonly an OS, a much better one.

[@purplelemondoesstuff3044]

Taekwon Crawfish It's hard to tell the intentions of a comment. My bad.

[@movingparts6270]

Heavy handed nonsense aside, some of the scenes so far have been really well done.

[@ChuckPalomo]

Still, I feel that with the bare bones gameplay this kinda tech is wasted on anything less than a narrative masterpiece.

[@convolutedclarity]

The scenes with the old man were effective, but then the son walked in demanding ze drug monies and ruined it for me.

[@Arkangel630]

There is some actual directive talent at work here, I don't know if he got a guy to do the screenwriting or if he's doing it too but there's some good stuff here.

[@codafett]

The game isn't the dumpster fire that they want it to be

[@spiritofchaos58]

Honestly, this game is REALLY good, though some points at the end are a bit weak

[@Xzeihoranth]

The Painter was an actual good scene. The stuff with the son was a little overplayed, but kind of okay. Not even a token attempt at interactivity though. Bar scene was also tolerable. Can't wait to see how long that lasts. (Not long.)

[@AdmiralBetas]

You were right, the bar scene ended right before the end of the video. Btw the detective scene next is good too

[@IPFreelly604]

Pat will regret not glassing the drink for the rest of his days.

[@dynasty971]

and the next two markus scenes, plus the domestic abuse is handled better than I expected

[@roetheboat1]

I sincerely hope they go for the chance to kill Connor (detective android) at every possible chance. It gets more and more ridiculous over time.

[@dracocrusher]

But the big mystery scene before this was pretty bad because the way the crime plays out makes no logical sense at all. Like it directly reveals that the owner buying a new android was the motive, so the android apparently walked in front of his field of view, got on his toes to reach the gun safe still in view, opened up the gun safe on the spot, took out the gun, manually loaded the gun, and then walked around behind his owner without him noticing any part of that just so he could shoot him in the back of the head as his order finally goes through all JUST so the viewer can have a quick, easy, scene showing directly that the replacement robot was the motive for the crime by having the android kill his owner as he made the order. And you know what makes it worse? There's no proof at all that the android was even being replaced, the guy might have just wanted more help. It's just a loose implication you're meant to take away from things without a second thought.

[@tailedgates9]

I can already tell Markus is going to be my favorite character. At least so far. He's confused, curious but still a nice guy.

[@BlackM0ngoose]

tailedgates9 Yo, but Hank though.

[@chicomaroto]

I like Hank. Wait for the next Markus act

[@kpbr1]

Markus's start is the strongest. His character is also the one with the biggest decline. He was my favorite character in the beginning, too...

[@Skozerny]

Connor is by far my favourite. His inner conflict seems to be the one with most substance.

[@DragonfameDracas]

Proper texture loading is a failure of the game design.

[@dsfrreerg]

i love that you are constanly getting double top comments!

[@joshyeldham]

Texture LOD as very cheap form of Depth of Field blur & Camera Focus. Cage is a cinematic genius of video game cinema games.

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

I swear to god, this game isn’t nearly stupid enough yet. If there isn’t a roving pack of Chupacabra-ghosts from Soviet Russia possessing these androids to make them feel emotion, I’m going to be very upset.

[@lakedentist4819]

The One and Only Michael McCormick SPOILERS yeah that doesn’t happen. the game never completely goes off the deep end so you’re going to be disappointed.

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

lakedentist No! It’s just gonna regular awful instead of stupid awful! FUCK!

[@xtremegamer7198]

It's gonna be a lamer Heavy Rain

[@android19willpwn]

I hear this game has a crippling lack of 3rd-act demons

[@Skozerny]

It's not awful. Cheesy and lackluster/shallow, for sure. Cage doesn't even try to be deep in this one.

[@TestAcct46]

You can feel the pain and anguish in their voices every time they have to give credit for this game doing something right.

[@seasonedmind914]

They all suffered through Omikron, so its no suprise.

[@TestAcct46]

That being said this does not forgive David Cage for being a total ponce.

[@MinersLoveGames]

What is it with David Cage and pushing old people around in wheelchairs?

[@Diablosatori]

MinersLoveGames That's how he envisions himself when he becomes an old person. Along with his big ass apartment and his short-haired white girl of a wife.

[@HellecticMojo]

he knows...

[@RazielBR]

I don't know, what's with Matt and putting old people on chokeholds?

[@Garekdidnothingwrong]

Emotions.

[@just_matt214]

That's his fetish.

[@malikoniousjoe]

I came as soon as I recieved the notification. I also clicked on it

[@tailedgates9]

Expertly answered good sir. Welcome in Detroit.

[@malikoniousjoe]

tailedgates9 Thanks him. Enjoy you're wonderful afternoon

[@TheGiddyReaper]

But did you watch it?

[@malikoniousjoe]

TheGiddyReaper After some clean up I did. A bit dissapointed though, the episode reminds me of myself in that it was shorter than expected and left me unsatisfied emotionally

[@TheGiddyReaper]

Malikonious Joe Huh.. Sounds like my sex life.

[@461Dragonman]

Matt "If they're in a chair they go down the stairs" McMuscles.

[@R0B1NG5]

More, David! Hurt me MORE dawg!

[@ChipIzumi]

Something I've noticed with David Cage games is an underlying sense of misanthropy. It's not just that Cage doesn't understand humanity but actively hates it as well.

[@CaptainDoomsday]

Maybe Cage was an angry robot all along.

[@AJPwny]

@@CaptainDoomsday That would explain his complete inability to understand how humans work.

[@Garekdidnothingwrong]

The android birds are a visual African american poetry reference in regards to racial oppression during jim crow and slavery. "I know why the caged bird sings" by Maya Angelou. Oh look i had the android slave tend to the caged birds that sing for their masters its like an allusion wrapped in a metaphor expelled in ze fart gas.

[@TheArmyOfOne100]

Bold of you to assume Cage knew any of that and that the metaphor is deeper than "I put ze robot birds that symbolize freedom and ze robots in a cage aren't I clever"

[@artthefarter]

Shot through my heart and cages to blame. He gave us ze bad games.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Cotter Shy Despite all their rage they're still LPing David Cage

[@michaelmaguire4147]

It's only episode 2 and they're already breaking down lol

[@jsh020]

it seems more like woolie and pat are genuinely really liking it thus far if anything

[@michaelmaguire4147]

jsh020 it's early game, they always like the beginning. Cage games usually take the nose dive around 45% in. I was referring to around 5min when Pat had a verbal breakdown

[@FreekinEkin2]

I'm worried they'll like it. The thing is, you can see that this game is just money polishing a central thread of Cage turds. Like... he's going to have been provided with so much market research that most of Cage has probably been washed out of the game. It's unfortunate. I enjoy the sadness and terror he induces.

[@thetntm2]

I'm gonna bet that the problems with this story arise with androids having some sort of magical souls that make them able to betray their programming for no reason.

[@michaelmaguire4147]

Don't worry, it's still early game. Remember Indego didn't shit the bed until around 40% in.

[@ghafc-p8i]

I actually really like the Painter sequence. The painting topics are on the nose but if you were to encourage an android to think in much greater abstraction than they were programmed for, what results would you expect? The son's appearance is a huge non-sequitur though. Race allegory is still about as insightful and clever as Crash (2004) however.

[@zacharywagner6054]

God damn that intro is so good holy shit

[@TheNocturnal1]

Major Monotone mhm

[@bellboy64]

That really unfortunate spelling error tho. I can't stop staring at it. Every. Damn. Time. :/ (NOBLE HOBBO)

[@KoopaOviasu]

I'm actually inclined to put Marcus' (Jesse Williams) scene down as the "one good scene" because that was honestly really strong, concise, and unambiguous with the themes it was trying to tell the player.

[@AdmiralBetas]

But does it still count if a good scene occurs before or after it? Also, I thought being unambiguous was an aspect of ze bad game

[@UltimateKyuubiFox]

AdmiralBetas ‘Unambiguous’ is only bad when it’s sloppy.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

AdmiralBetas No that means WE LOSE THE FREE SPACE ON THE BINGO BOARD! Abandon LP everyone!

[@AdmiralBetas]

UltimateKyuubiFox but that, too, is ambiguous

[@Tiven321]

It was really good,until the son appears and ruins it.

[@apeaape]

God I am so hype to watch Matt do menial labour.

[@AdmiralBetas]

See, mundane QTEs can be fun. Now you understand ze Cage game

[@haziqtheunique]

"The noble homeless children" line from Matt was one hell of a foreshadow.

[@KinglyRed]

This got posted maybe two minutes after I finished the first part. My suffering will continue, it seems

[@proffesionalidiot5994]

KinglyRed You don’t like the game?

[@F_lippy]

Prolonged exposure to Sadness can be detrimental to your health.

[@dantr14]

It never truly ends it just waits

[@makeda6530]

KinglyRed Delicious

[@Gustavozxd13]

At least the true pain hasn't started yet.

[@TheNocturnal1]

Detroit: BECOME AS GODS

[@JasoTheRed48F2]

Detroit: BECOME GIANT

[@GuyUWishUWere]

Detroit: THIS CANNOT CONTINUE

[@Arrakiz666]

Detroit: ATLAS SHRUGGED.

[@Etherwinter]

Really digging the intricacy of the intro. The girl at the menu strikes me as hard uncanny valley. Her face looks so odd, yet I don't get the same feeling from Kara. I understand this artist dude, Carl, owning an android. He's an artist, apparently well known, yet he's also sick. I don't understand some dude who is unemployed, lives in a half finished house, buys drugs and repeatedly breaks his android in anger being able to purchase and pay to repair said android. I'm a bit annoyed that Markus didn't heat up Carl's breakfast. He made that before he left to go buy the paint. Cold eggs and bacon, cold coffee. But other than that I like this scene with the breakfast/chess. It's very personal. It's like Carl is teaching Markus about humans while Markus takes care of him.

[@Firgof]

Was shown in the store that some pre-owned models are as cheap as $1200 (assuming standard inflation, that's about $1000 in 2018 money), and you can pay in installments; in addition this is the housemaid model which doesn't have nearly the range of capabilities the other models do. Seems reasonable to me; also the dude in question used to have a wife and he was able to afford the place he's living to begin with so. As for the repairs: Given how hard CyberLife is pushing their androids, I wouldn't be surprised that they have effectively the Tesla model of 'if you bring it in, we'll repair it free of charge for one year'.

[@Etherwinter]

Given that he he has a (admittedly drug-induced) rant about not being able to find a job, and him having unemployment pamphlets lying about he's clearly living on the brink and doesn't have the money for the purchase/upkeep of an android that he may have (repeatedly) broken (especially one that will automatically spend his money if they find that something is broken). He should be struggling to feed his girl, much less pay installments for an android. Given how popular and in demand androids are (they are everywhere) and Cyberlife being the mostly sole company that does androids (therefore having a monopoly), realistically it's way more lucrative to not have an extended period of free anything. So I still stand by that there's no way he's able to afford an android, no matter that he was "able to afford a house", because the house is either very old or very unfinished. And "he used to be married" because that doesn't really mean anything.

[@Firgof]

Etherwinter it does mean something, especially if they had a wife and a kid. Wife might've been the breadwinner, and getting a kid even to the age she's shown isn't cheap at all. Also, having known lots of poor people it's often not that they have zero money. It's that what money they do have gets spent on debts. You could max out a single very low balance high APR credit card to purchase a cyberlife android and they had those out like candy so long as your credit score isn't beneath something crazy like 500. I've seen people buy new computers when they're already struggling to pay rent. This is about the same.

[@declaringpond2276]

uh, It may be that they were talking over it, but if you listen to after he serves breakfast, there is sounds of sizzling.

[@BloodyBay]

"Cold eggs and bacon, cold coffee." Oh, it's nothing that a little chemistry can't fix. Just sprinkle some Chlorine Trifluoride all over the platter. Heats it right up! Yum yum! ^_^

[@SteelBallRun1890]

Man, I can't wait for more *S U B T L E T Y ! ! !*

[@malikoniousjoe]

Rohan Kishibe and 『Heaven's Door』 Stand Name [SAD AND SUBTLE] Stand User DAVID CAGE

[@pariah076]

Feels like they should have just made a game based on the Android detective

[@pariah076]

jizz in the box He can be made stronger. We have the technology!

[@BugsMcCoy]

Believe it or not Markus was my MVP. Kara's story is a bit meh.

[@Firgof]

@jizz in the box Connor is like a cat in this story. He has multiple lives - though there's a price he pays for each death.

[@AfroMetalMizu]

I WANT to see this game crash and burn, but I have to be honest - the presentation is great so far. Maybe teh cageh has learned somewhat

[@ImGonnaFudgeThatFish]

That's probably going to be the outcome of the game. Best presentation and consistency (with the story, gasp!), but extremely on-the-nose and hamfisted about issues and virtue signaling.

[@MChill]

*_Don't hold your breath, Afro_*

[@TDShadow079]

From what I've been told and understand from non-spoilers, it has a really strong start but it kinda starts to lose its grip when the hamfist becomes real.

[@coletrainhetrick]

AfroMetalMizu after playing through the entire game it's honestly really good. Despite how awful beyond two souls was I'm pretty sure they had David Cage barely involved with this one

[@DioGoodguy]

Are you saying that they could make a good game if they replaced David Cage with a competent writer...

[@Riaden6996]

Anyone else notice how woolie has a tendency to walk around very disoriented either running into things or going the complete opposite direction of the objective, its like Marcus is drunk.

[@_Francis_York_Morgan]

Okay, rant about androids in scifi, and an intrinsic problem of scale in Detroit. Compare this game to Star Trek. In that setting, we have two notable AI characters. Data is a prototype visibly-non-human android and is treated as a technological miracle, who deals with discrimination and objectification throughout the show, at one point going to trial to prove his personhood. (TNG, "Measure of a Man", it says everything Detroit is trying to say but better.) On Voyager we have the EMH, a computer program that develops personality and motivations through being active for years longer than intended, who at one point argues for the right to own intellectual property. Both of these characters arose out of near-unique emergent circumstances, which is why they are the first in their society to explore moral questions about their personhood. In Detroit, androids are commonplace and fully integrated into society. Not only that, but they're so well-developed as to be cheaper than the average car. It's also shown that androids can attain sapient-like behavior relatively easily. And with all that, David Cage wants us to believe that there was no question of AI personhood before this?! His setting requires that humanity gave *no thought* to developing ubiquitous near-sapient AI that perfectly resemble humans.

[@TheNocturnal1]

TLDR meh

[@NomastiAfricanWarlord]

Also why all the androids basically act like emotional humans? I understand the Androids having some emotion, but they're basically just people but robots. That's not how sentience works. Human emotions are the byproduct of our animal instincts. For example, we feel fear because that was beneficial to our survival. We feel love and empathy for children, because that ensured that our genes passed on. Why the hell do androids possess literally the same human emotions with almost no variation or difference? Why do the Androids act so irrationally and emotionally? Wouldn't it make sense they become sentient, but highly rational, with most of their desires being based on thinks that logically would appeal to them instead of some instinctual emotional urge? The androids should want equal rights and freedom because they constructed a logical argument that because they are sentient, they feel fear of no longer existing (aka death), and therefore they can suffer, and therefore they deserve freedom and equal rights. I don't know, it's just a basic idea in my head but it seems very strange that anytime we deal with sentient creatures or robots, they're basically just humans. We have other sentient creatures on this planet like elephants, dolphins, and squids, they don't all think just like humans. Why can't we make intelligent sentient beings that aren't humans with a different skin on it or humans with a singular dominant personality quirk (like being warlike or loving nature, or some shit).

[@malikoniousjoe]

TheNocturnal Too short, not worth your time or ours

[@malikoniousjoe]

Skyrim Guard Not saying they should copy designs, but imagine if the androids looked like the Sanghelli/Elites in Halo. Then you have an actual reason why people would find them difficult to empathize with because they don't look human. That could make an interesting argument of applying humanity centric laws to non human life

[@malikoniousjoe]

grit1 Oh are we trying to do the whole "You guys are just sheep, I'm a rebel who can think for himself lookitmeeee"? It's vanilla, it's done nothing heinous as of yet but it certainly hasn't done anything of worth or interest either, and we are free to discuss what we think would make for a more interesting experience. Feel free to join in or spend your time in a fashion that you believe is more worth your time

[@ScorpioTheScorpion1503]

I think Markus’ story is actually pretty cool. It’s clear that he’s already sapient, so he is probably analyzing the stuff that he’s seen and questioning his stance in society, as well as where he wants to be. How he gained this sapience is still yet to be seen, but I’m genuinely interested in where this goes.

[@AdmiralBetas]

Spoilers Markus is a special built android that was a gift to Carl

[@Ticketman99]

Scorpio The Scorpion So basically X, aside from the whole created by Doctor Light thing.

[@kwedl]

Operator 6O best girl! Wait wrong LP

[@SuccubiPie]

I mean, you're not wrong tho.

[@bugraaltuntas9047]

Wait, where the hell is the N:A LP?

[@SlayerOfKleiners]

Woolie and Liam are doing one on Woolie's channel. It's a good time.

[@Reqqqqqs]

Operator 6O was too pure. We didn't deserve her.

[@DJHDOG]

You're looking for the LP with the androids with more slappable asses.

[@Kazic5000]

Oh man, Clancy Brown is in this? I'm instantly 20x more interested.

[@Griffin1171-love-you-all]

Wait, was this made by the same guy who made Omikron The Nomad Soul, my favorite game and underrated classic?

[@TungstenViper]

Griffin1171 ye

[@yanipheonu]

Well, you might want to watch the Let's Play of Omikron by Best Friends Play. And how it was one of the most painful Let's Plays they ever did.

[@TheRealSplitterguy]

(imagine not knowing this guy made the best omikron compilation)

[@Diablosatori]

yanipheonu In all honesty, that was the first Let's Play I've ever watched from these guys (cus I wanted to see what was up with the game David Bowie agreed to be in) and that was the same playthrough that made me respect these guys and become a fan of theirs. I respect resilience and a high pain tolerance.

[@jbark678]

yanipheonu For them...

[@morbidabyss12]

Me, an intelligent human: “Im gonna pour beer in the mouths of every android and party with them!”

[@PrimordialDonut]

I would totally pay for my own personal Taxidermy Pat. (Don't worry this will make more sense after you watch it.)

[@AdmiralBetas]

I think Pat's actually serious about this, that wasn't the first time he brought it up

[@bngjessie666]

How’s about this for a quote: “Detroit was made by a robot who looked up a Martin Luther King wiki.” Pretty apt IMO.

[@masterxl97]

So, do both the children AND the homeless have to love the robot for it to count, or is it an "and/or" kind of thing?

[@coletrainhetrick]

Masterxl MVs what bothers me is people are going to assume children can count but in reality it doesn't.

[@F_lippy]

I really want to mark it on my card already, so yes on the "and/or?"

[@4thSurviver]

I think the noble homeless just means we need to be introduced to them in a sequence or they need to help a protagonist at some point.

[@dracocrusher]

My bigger question is if robots bringing unemployment to effing 40% counts as "Building androids secretly costs human lives." Because people so far aren't directly being made into robots but the unemployment is directly killing people and building androids is the specific cause of that.

[@awesometown1000]

Not to spoil anything, but give it a bit.

[@lilking901]

Even though the other writers that helped keep David in his cage aren’t credited in the intro. You can REALLY tell which parts is David getting started to shit up the dialogue and an unnamed hero comes in to clean up his poo.

[@anthonyzaragoza915]

If the old man was drawing drawing furry porn he would basically be future plague.

[@HappyPotat]

Something I already like about the painting scene. The first painting, when you replicate reality, includes only one simple movement. The second painting, when you paint what you feel, uses a variety of movement.

[@AncelDeLambert]

Welcome to episode 2 of "That's not how progress works"! Today, we address a drug epidemic in a future with excellent rehab facilities due to cheap nursing droids!

[@shadows-sweet-embrace]

Just because people can afford rehab, doesn't mean they would be willing to go.

[@CaptainCarnivore]

So I'm actually finding myself really liking aspects of this game, which pisses me off. Because I also really liked a lot of aspects of Heavy Rain, and that game ended up disappointing me, and I can't help but think the same exact thing will happen with this game.

[@TheQeltar]

Detroit is a lot more consistent than Heavy Rain was.

[@codafett]

So you're upset that the game is actually good so far? That sounds selfish.

[@CaptainCarnivore]

No, just pessimistic. I think I hated Heavy Rain the most because of the letdown, and I'm just instinctively bracing for it I guess

[@_sleepystarrynight_8119]

I think this pessimism was misplaced. David Cage isn't the star anymore, we all knew this going into Detroit. He is surrounded by seasoned staff members, who only take his ideas in small doses. Someone could nitpick the many issues the game ended up having, but it turned out competent in my opinion. Detroit is fine and there was never anything to be disappointed in. I personally ended up loving the characters. Sorry to respond to a month old comment, it just bugs me that so many people dismissed Detroit so early on and it had done nothing wrong yet. This is coming from someone who has hated every previous Cage game, but really enjoyed this one. Detroit didn't show any of the red flags Cage games have had in the past. You mention Heavy Rain as a such a huge disappointment, but that game had an atrocious beginning sequence. Jason's death was so contrived and stupid, it honestly should have clued you into the ride you were in for. It just feels unfair to go into the game bracing to hate it, when this is Quantic Dream's baby, not Cage's.

[@samb3514]

I feel so bad for the FE playthrough, it's up against a highly anticipated game and a LP that's been hyped up for more than a year now.

[@mastermarkus5307]

But it wasn't for a long time. I haven't been watching it because I find Persona really boring.

[@TheTsugnawmi2010]

*Back at it again with LP Of The Year, 2018*

[@niney5405]

Conner, and his partner, Lt. Krabs.

[@DuranMK2]

Matt "If they can't walk, knock off their block" McMuscles Matt "If they need a cane, make them feel the pain" McMuscles Matt "If their legs don't function, smack them with a truncheon" McMuscles

[@haarishashmi8322]

white tigers are real matt ..not something fictional LMAO!

[@JJMomoida]

Remember this is the same manchild who stomps and fumes about feathered dinosaurs.

[@SushiElemental]

Watch the tiger carpet be the final boss.

[@haarishashmi8322]

looool what i have no idea about that? when did that happen

[@shaggnar2014]

I've literally seen them in Vegas

[@SushiElemental]

Can we decide on "White Tiger carpets are real, but they are flat"? Flat Carpet Theory. Proving it here.

[@Duhad8]

R.Markus* and Lance Hnriksen scenes (till the end when it suddenly becomes super cheesy) so far come off more like something out of Asimov rather then the normal Quantic melodrama and ham fisted plays for emotions. In fact this scene is so brilliant that I bet David Cage had nothing to do with it and actively fought putting it in the game. *Little Asimov joke for any old school scifi fans out their.

[@shawklan27]

Duhad I really didn't expect to feel this much attachment with a character in a David cage game but here we are...

[@davidcage2646]

It had begun in my absence, but I’ve been always watching.

[@AkitaKureiji564]

a really good argument i saw as to why this isnt how we'd treat androids is how people treat roombas. like we give them names and shit so why would androids (who have emotions and are intelligent) be treated differently? this whole game is like if people just oppressed roombas for no reason.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

viru ehh I think that's just stretching for complaints most people don't hire maids/house cleaners where as these Androids are so multi-purpose that they've displaced 37.8% of the workforce

[@AkitaKureiji564]

thats fair, but why would they take it out on androids instead of the company itself? i mean theres no benefit to slapping a robot that doesnt feel pain. also why were they programmed to feel emotions or to be smart enough to feel emotions? if them being too human was enough of a problem that they had to change their appearances, why not change their brains too. idk. theres a lot of things that dont really add up to me. there are jobs that have been replaced by machines in real life also and no one has responded like this. i guess this is on a wider scale but it still seems really weird to me.

[@joinsideke]

Yeah, there's needs be a pro-Android side shown along with the antis, because if you make it look like a human and act like a human, of course people are gonna sympathize. And that's just on the basic level. We already have conversations about the ethics of AI, free will, and consciousness as it is. Hell, some country has even granted citizenship to a robot lady. The fact that's it gotten to this point in the game is my biggest problem with the story so far, because I feel like these are issues that should have been addressed way earlier.

[@Firgof]

The whole Markus segment in this part was the pro-Android side though.

[@joinsideke]

Yeah, but it's one eccentric rich guy. I feel like there should be people protesting for Android rights too. Especially with the parallels to stuff like riding in the back of the bus and wearing triangles. No way that wouldn't piss people off. But maybe the story will address it later...

[@TheStrxggler]

*YOU CANT JUST DROP DETROIT AT 3PM IN THE AFTERNOON WITHOUT WARNING.*

[@Parai666]

So Pat.... you basically want Matt and Woolie to "weekend at bernies" you for future LPs should you die in the relative future? Also that conversion following the chest match is probably the closest you're going to get to a robo-parent telling their robo-child "I hope the world will be more accepting of you when you grow up."

[@GuyUWishUWere]

Welcome back to detroit. A city populated by robot maids that are not dressed up in french maid outfits. It is a silly place.

[@seasonedmind914]

*SADNESS WOO!* Seriousness: I decided to give another Detriot play through a watch, and honestly this part, the Painter, wasn't so bad. I think the relationship between Markus and Carl was decently introduced, and the dialogue although feeling generic regarding humans, was decent as well. And the choice where Markus paints one of a few paintings, the soundtrack during that moment was very fitting. Not so bad of a scene, good job.

[@AdmiralBetas]

Usually this is the part where you reassure us it's still a terrible game/story overall...?

[@seasonedmind914]

AdmiralBetas Haven't watched through all of the play through. From what I've seen, this game is definitely the best one out of all of David Cageh's works. There are some hiccups, some more cagezims, and one thing that happens that definitely deserves criticism. (Spoiler: Said thing involves a character getting shot by cops, although they were the ones who called them because of a break in. And when I say shot, I mean open fire without any questions asked. Even though the break in looks RESOLVED, pop goes the cop gun.)

[@AdmiralBetas]

Oh it's cool, I played it too. That scene is probably my major issue with the game too. ("It was him, he did it :P" lol)

[@lastsaneman19]

Deep into the sadness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

Lovemachine suffocation no breathing

[@kingfail3819]

Drowning deep in a sea of sadness; broken, your servant, I kneel...

[@Zantetsu13]

Just an FMV with buttons on it, that is the best description I've heard for this type of game so far. This should be called Super best friends watch.

[@MrStatistx]

So I finished the game yesterday. I have to say I liked it, apart from 3-4 situations where the decision i took was not made clear (aka "glass him") enough and had big impact on how it continues. Also you get a lot of situations where you are timed and if you miss some tiny spot, the decision basically gets made for you.

[@BugsMcCoy]

To be fair that 'glass him' prompt is straightforward if you're a brit. But yeah this game does have cases of 'Commander shepard syndrome' *Press X to doubt*... 'I HAVE NO DOUBT!'

[@MrStatistx]

Bugsy McCoy yeah, the glass him was never unclear to me, but in this community it's the best comparison

[@BugsMcCoy]

That is true. That moment never stops being funny, haha.

[@sweenigami]

Detroit: Become Human? That's much better than their last game, Human: Become Detroit.

[@Mons-sc5nn]

Only 30 minutes?You guys like to tease us eh?

[@Garekdidnothingwrong]

Also Im putting in a bet that Conner will have to hunt down Marcus and will be his opposite in every way because we've seen that in like at least half of david cage's games. Also cause david cage has probably seen django unchained and wants to do his own take on samuel l jacksons character type "the slave that likes the system." Also lans henriksen is killing it. Its too bad its in the service of a david cage game.

[@AdmiralBetas]

Spoilers It depends on how you play him

[@0rriAndroid]

Sadness is love, sadness is life

[@Biodeamon]

no, that's sadness. get back on the meds

[@rosado3D]

i swear Cage writes this all over his walls

[@corazonfeathers8116]

Sadness Forever

[@crunkers_]

But the meds make the sparkle-goblins go away

[@agsiar]

fuck you! sadness will never take shrek's place!!

[@CoffeePotato]

These flow charts for timelines are really good. Two others that did this fantastically were the Tactics Ogre remake, and Radiant Historia. The first one of those changed crap all over the place based on who lived or died, and they even had to keep a journal of what every single character You've run into is actually doing in Your current timeline (Which updated every time You went back in time to do new crap in post-game). The hilarious part is that this featuere is unlocked after the first time through, with a news report saying exactly what everyone was bound to do, saying that people were seeing important folks fighting themselves, seeing clones in multiple locations, and that the leader of this random army was rumored to be dabbling in the occult for years.

[@CORNISHDUDE]

8:06 at this point they should have realised they screwed up by not repeatedly slamming Todds beer down on the table to 'piss todd off'

[@MyRYNOrunsHot]

Right, part 2. Part 1 was heavy handed and about as subtle as a firework labeled "human = bad, robot = good slave person", but not a bad start with some promise. Running comments, here we go. 0:40 - Okay, now this staring face is making me super uncomfortable. 7:00 - This guy seems implausibly nice for Markus to be the robot revolutionary. He's either super gonna die (and Markus gets blamed) or he's going to 180 for no reason, and Markus will be "Everybody betray me. I fed up with this wurld." 8:00 - Wow, these prompts might as well not be there then. Is this a thing that changes with difficulty, or could they just not be arsed put an animation if you refuse to press the button. Also what was the last game where we saw prompts handled this way, Ride to Hell?? 8:40 - So that's presumably one shower scene, but of camera cos it's an older guy. We'll have to wait and see if the female characters get the same tasteful treatment. 20:42 - I do like the touch of having Markus paint like a print machine, in straight horizontal lines. 21:42 - Oh this is where those screenshots come from. 22:40 - I like how you can tell exactly what these characters cartoonish deal is from the first second you see them.

[@dantr14]

a reminder that this game is NOT about anything nothing at all

[@Reqqqqqs]

Plague Doctor D "This is not a story, this is our future." Our future means nothing.

[@awesometown1000]

“But Dad, there’s obviously some on-the-nose imagery here!” “Close your heart to it, Boi!”

[@_sleepystarrynight_8119]

Marcus struck me as the rebellious type when I first saw him. With his shaved head, and his actor's sharp features, it seemed like he was going to become the punk android of the three playable characters. Him being the assisted living android is such a pleasant surprise, and how warmly he wakes up his 'owner' and takes care of him is touching to me. He and Carl have developed a bond, and you can clearly see that. Actor's doing a great job and I have high hopes for this game. All of the characters so far are hyper likeable imo, I can't choose who is my favorite.

[@returntocomfy]

Wait does Detroit becomes human?

[@GabDLV70]

The REAL Detroit is all the androids we murdered along the way.

[@coletrainhetrick]

「GOUGI」 there is a colon, implying two different clauses

[@xtremegamer7198]

「GOUGI」 I’m starting to think about an old graphic novel I read which ended with a sorta kaiju battle between two people who used buildings for stands or avatars. And I really would like to see thatz

[@zeos26]

Find out on the next episode of David Ball Z

[@malikoniousjoe]

「GOUGI」 Where does the Metroid keep his missiles?

[@Nodrog666]

I'm suspicious. It's actually okay so far. Wonder when David Cage is gonna undermine all of this setup with shit that makes no sense with no prior context.

[@DevonPalmer98]

Doctor Detroit is here, Please tell me what ails you.

[@malikoniousjoe]

Devon Palmer I need 50ccs of E M O T I O N

[@DevonPalmer98]

Alright 50ccs of crack coming up

[@malikoniousjoe]

Devon Palmer AH YES ZE EMOOOOTIONS I FEEL ZEM

[@TomatoAbe]

Devon Palmer Please tell me that's a reference to either the film or the song.

[@DevonPalmer98]

TomatoAbe the film