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Air Suspension: DIY or Off The Shelf. Let's Find Out.

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SuperfastMatt

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I designed a custom inexpensive air ride system. Then I just bought one.
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@CatTerrist
@CatTerrist 2 жыл бұрын
ALL HAIL GOOD ENOUGH (tm)
@lasskinn474
@lasskinn474 2 жыл бұрын
Thats true engineering. Only an engineer can build a house that barely stays up but still stays up, usually. ..takes a marketeer to sell it at stone castle pricing though
@daviddavis1322
@daviddavis1322 2 жыл бұрын
Basically Sloppy Mechanics. Fixed is fixed
@86coupedeville
@86coupedeville 2 жыл бұрын
'Good Enough' is fine until there are unintended consequences that end up in the bay of a technician to diagnose and repair. Arrogant engineers and 'Good Enough' cause more time wasted down the road in diagnosis/repairs than they do in hours billed being saved in the engineering process.
@CatSovietski
@CatSovietski 2 жыл бұрын
@@86coupedeville Too serious bro, too serious...
@troo_story
@troo_story 2 жыл бұрын
@@86coupedeville there speaks the cranky throat-rasps of bitter dissatisfaction.
@junitoortega8656
@junitoortega8656 2 жыл бұрын
My goal as a Mechanical Engineer is to have Matt's humor!
@timeastman8319
@timeastman8319 2 жыл бұрын
I am also a Mechanical Engineer (at least, that's what my business cards say...). I'm wondering what it would cost to have Matt follow me around for a day to narrate my life...
@ShainAndrews
@ShainAndrews 2 жыл бұрын
If that is your goal expect to be on the receiving end. We are already loading up on your random capitalization.
@junitoortega8656
@junitoortega8656 2 жыл бұрын
@@timeastman8319 now that would be funny! 🤣
@molunos8842
@molunos8842 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShainAndrews It's really not random at all. It's the same as in German. Obviously the language of mechanical engineers all around the world
@ShainAndrews
@ShainAndrews 2 жыл бұрын
@@molunos8842 Four words have no business being capitalized. I read it again... did not see any German.. only English.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
@4:06 A properly designed 5-link is not over-constrained - it is ideal. Just count degrees of freedom: there are 3 translational and 3 rotational degrees of freedom, and the suspension needs to move in one degree (controlled by the spring and damper), so the remaining 5 degrees must be controlled. All of the links of a 5-link locate in only one dimension (they are under compression or tension only, not bending) except the spring link (for designs like this that mount the spring and damper to a control arm instead of directly to the hub carrier), so if ball joints are used there is no binding. The bushing deflection occurs because they are not ball joints, and not perfectly parallel to the instantaneous axis of rotation of each link end. The bending load mentioned in the construction of the adjustable link exists only because the bushings on the ends are not ball joints.
@pasad335
@pasad335 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to look it up and write a very detailed analysis for you. But in the end I figured it was "Good Enough" to let someone else do it and just give them props for it.👍
@dallasvanwyk
@dallasvanwyk 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this... luckily you already said it in a much more eloquent way lol
@denelvo
@denelvo 8 күн бұрын
Only if by 'properly designed' you mean: all links are orthogonal/independent.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
Stiffness in an air spring is not simply a function of the air pressure - it also depends on the air volume relative to the effective piston area. You can soften an air spring by plumbing it to an additional rigid chamber. That means that for the same vehicle weight, a higher ride position means *softer* springing (because there is more air volume and the same pressure); however, those convoluted style bags don't act as ideal air springs at all because the rubber resists both stretching for suspension extension and collapsing for suspension compression. This is why good air springs are of the rolling lobe (a.k.a. reversible sleeve) type. RideTech offers both the double convoluted air springs like these, plus reversible sleeve and a variation of reversible sleeve which is tapered to change the spring rate progression, in both versions that mount over dampers and versions that mount separately.
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 2 жыл бұрын
If I could, I would leave 10 thumbs up, instead I will leave this comment as Thank You
@Lucidbkeo
@Lucidbkeo 2 жыл бұрын
Who are you and what do you do?? You're wayyy too knowledgeable about automotive suspension to just be some hobbyist.
@Xander_1709
@Xander_1709 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on. Lots of people make the mistake of thinking higher ride height means more pressure, when really it means more volume. Especially when using rolling lobe springs. The pressure in the airbag is set by the weight of the vehicle. Lifting the vehicle doesn't change the weight of the vehicle, it just expands the spring. Therefore, same pressure, more volume. This is also why cars and trucks with airbags use ride height sensors and don't rely on pressure sensors.
@CED99
@CED99 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation, this deserves more than one like
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lucidbkeo Just an enthusiast... with a technical education, decades of interest in automotive technology, and enough curiosity to dig into topics of interest. Unfortunately, no one has ever paid me to work in the automotive field, but maybe that's why it's still fun. 😉
@mr_voron
@mr_voron 2 жыл бұрын
I’m currently in the middle of building a HomeKit controller for my unpowered sky light blinds. Project is about a month in now, I went from DC motor, to steppers, to now using a DIY servo motor. The code is getting insane and I haven’t even gotten to the PID parts. I should have just spent $300 on an OTS assembly but at this point I’m too far down the rabbit hole to quit and I’m learning a lot in the process.
@squirrelzar
@squirrelzar 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t let a pesky thing like monetary investment stop you from being able to say “look what I made!”
@TheNewFaceOfHSP
@TheNewFaceOfHSP 2 жыл бұрын
Just remember "Sunk cost fallacy" is a thing. But you know, as long as it's fun, keep at it.
@lasskinn474
@lasskinn474 2 жыл бұрын
You could buy a more expensive dc servo with built in pid. What you're using for the diy servo tho?
@iseriver3982
@iseriver3982 2 жыл бұрын
Learning is priceless. Unless you can find a day course.
@mr_voron
@mr_voron 2 жыл бұрын
@@lasskinn474 It’s a geared DC motor + AS5600 mag position sensor. I was close to dropping coin on a ClearPath until I got it working this morning.
@paulheitkemper1559
@paulheitkemper1559 2 жыл бұрын
"The perfect is the enemy of the good enough." That's the essence of engineering.
@mickkelly6389
@mickkelly6389 Жыл бұрын
Of life
@Mrshotshell
@Mrshotshell 2 жыл бұрын
If you're welding sleeves into/onto tubing you should drill holes around the perimeter for plug welds. Or if you want to keep it in the jaguar spirit you could use rosette welds.
@twentylush
@twentylush 2 жыл бұрын
make sure you pre-rust the rosette welds too if you are going for the jaguar feel
@MarkBlance
@MarkBlance 2 жыл бұрын
All hail the algorithm! Seriously, love your show and your humor style. It makes your videos enjoyable to watch. Seriously, thank you for not starting your videos with a scream.
@rmacoris
@rmacoris 2 жыл бұрын
It brings peace to my heart knowing that I'm not alone with lots of ongoing and unfinished projects... Also, good enough™ just made my day. Thank you Matt!
@cpzd83
@cpzd83 2 жыл бұрын
No such thing as poor break over angle with enough speed
@bedlamite42
@bedlamite42 2 жыл бұрын
The approach angle may have issues with that.
@MegaEmmanuel09
@MegaEmmanuel09 2 жыл бұрын
@@bedlamite42 the approach angle was already Good Enough™
@edumaker-alexgibson
@edumaker-alexgibson 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is, while the jag has good front and rear angle, if you hit the ramp with enough speed to make that assertion true, you'll compress the front suspension and risk driving into the ramp with the front! This is also better in theory than in practice, as a certain Tesla driver recently proved in LA...!
@Robo-xk4jm
@Robo-xk4jm 2 жыл бұрын
@@edumaker-alexgibson recently? that video is way older then 4-5 months
@edumaker-alexgibson
@edumaker-alexgibson 2 жыл бұрын
@@Robo-xk4jm all is relative. Ironically you are replying to my post of 4 months ago, when it was 4 months more recent. Have a lovely day.
@corglass
@corglass 2 жыл бұрын
Your narration is poetry 😍
@halnywiatr
@halnywiatr 2 жыл бұрын
Matt; I would have bet money that you would have gone with the self-leveling Citroen Hydro Pneumatic suspension. But then there is Future Matt that will do that.
@ottokiehl5413
@ottokiehl5413 2 жыл бұрын
As a previous owner of a 67 Citroen DS21 (and a 68 parts car), I broke out in hives at your suggestion.
@aktik6000
@aktik6000 2 жыл бұрын
@@ottokiehl5413 Lol, more recent models have it all working well 🤗
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
For more reliable parts source, one could use the Lexus Active Height Control system.
@hav5n
@hav5n 2 жыл бұрын
I was binge watching the series instead of doing my german revision, guess i have to do that now, or i could watch something else of yours, i love your content
@gridcoregilry666
@gridcoregilry666 2 жыл бұрын
Erledige deine Arbeit!
@breakshot7451
@breakshot7451 2 жыл бұрын
setzte dich auf deinen hintern und lerne und trotzdem es lebe der algorithmus
@xdboardsurfer
@xdboardsurfer 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the gargaflargs. Always wondered about those.
@VanderGroejn
@VanderGroejn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for always putting a smile on my face. All hail the algorithm. 😁🍻👌
@Eduardo_Espinoza
@Eduardo_Espinoza 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing back the old outro :)
@JoanMendoza
@JoanMendoza 2 жыл бұрын
3:14 I missed the appearance from future Matt but I guess I'll take the Good Enough™
@BernardBoyGenius
@BernardBoyGenius 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a project using the junkyard pneumatic valve. Adjustable height work tables?
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 2 жыл бұрын
Pneumatic Vice is pretty good one. I recently saw one guy make it with pedals on floor to operate it. Pretty useful when You can focus with Your hands on holding and positioning, and with Your foot on clamping or releasing it
@davesmith9325
@davesmith9325 2 жыл бұрын
@@darekmistrz4364 and when you are ready you can crush your hand with it. 😀 only joking with power comes responsibility as always
@ooklamoc4411
@ooklamoc4411 2 жыл бұрын
Matt’s level of skill makes his good enough pretty darn good. Constantly impressed with the difficulty level of the projects he’s willing to tackle.
@BlackheartCharlie
@BlackheartCharlie 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! I like the way you narrate the story and the decision making process. Much more informative and interesting than watching other "build" channels that just bolt together free parts from sponsors and never experience a setback. A project is never a linear path and it's kind of reassuring to watch someone change directions during a projects the way the rest of us do. ("All hail the algorithm!")
@devil2jz500
@devil2jz500 2 жыл бұрын
Sunday morning + iced coffee + Superfastmatt new release video = wife, leave me alone for 10:59 minutes!
@Sithhy
@Sithhy 2 жыл бұрын
I love this Jaaag project so much
@WileHeCoyote
@WileHeCoyote 2 жыл бұрын
I made a very similar 2 wheeled skateboard!! I love it! With my steering system design I needed a steering dampener to get rid of random speed wobbles
@simonsnaplick895
@simonsnaplick895 2 жыл бұрын
Needs more caster?
@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@JohnSmith-yv6eq 2 жыл бұрын
@@simonsnaplick895 Needs more caster (sugar)....is it not sweet enough?
@brianhaygood183
@brianhaygood183 Жыл бұрын
Many factory air suspensions, like that on my 2001 Audi allroad, have a lower spring perch that is kind of pear shaped (as are many things on a 22 year old car), so the spring gets stiffer as the suspension gets lower. In the rear, they also have dampers that are adjusted by an air valve so the damping adjusts as the suspension adjusts.
@ronwalsh
@ronwalsh 2 жыл бұрын
It is amazing how sometimes the OTS is just what you needed. I have come to that conclusion when considering EFI for my MGB.
@seba11-o6n
@seba11-o6n 2 жыл бұрын
can you give some details or links? I have a MGB and never heard of someone installing an EFI
@nubreed13
@nubreed13 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely. When I converted my car to discs I made sure to use a kit for the front that uses all standard parts so I can easily get replacements. The rear has less easy to source parts but those don't wear out as fast
@mckreations5160
@mckreations5160 2 жыл бұрын
There are several controller options that could be used for EFI set-ups. A Micro-squirt unit is likely the most user friendly for the price, if you have more knowledge when it comes to a Adrino or raspberry set-up there is a Speedduino unit that is kind of interesting and fairly inexpensive. You can put together a EFI set up fairly easily and inexpensive. Infact if you look around at Matts projects i belive he does a Microsquirt set-up on his Grom or even his land speed rig. Whatever the case he has done it a couple times and gives pretty good info as to mak8ng the conversion. One of my first was making my KTM 525 fuel injected and for it i used a Microsquirt. I believe the controller was under $ and all the parts were sorced form the car junkyard and the motorcycle junkyard with a piece here and there being bought new.
@acopernic
@acopernic 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely one of the best Podcast of the entire KZbin Channels. I buy a t-shirt Good Enough... why.. Because it is ... good enough.
@TheStuartstardust
@TheStuartstardust 2 жыл бұрын
Top tip: for comfort use a fridge kompressor - super low noise, won't last 20 years without lubricant, but it will be fine. But perhaps leave the noisy one in for speed. 🧐🤔🤓
@Jeremy-fy1sz
@Jeremy-fy1sz 2 жыл бұрын
Can you make a quick vid where you compare aerodynamic drag at different ride heights at highway speed to determine power consumption and affect on range? Nice system
@markm0000
@markm0000 2 жыл бұрын
More lower is more better.
@Jeremy-fy1sz
@Jeremy-fy1sz 2 жыл бұрын
@@markm0000 You'd think. But I'd like to see the numbers.
@AlienLivesMatter
@AlienLivesMatter 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jeremy-fy1sz me too
@JoeLahaina
@JoeLahaina 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressed. You have the ability to engineer solutions and the temperament, objectivity and dry wit to document the process! Oh, forgot to mention your excellent taste in both the selection of drivetrain and powertrain. Thanks for taking the time to document your hard work.
@brentfellers9632
@brentfellers9632 Жыл бұрын
I recently was designing an air ride system for a project...didn't know anything about how to do it. Spent days and day designing circuits electrical and air, and trying to source individual bits and bobs Ended up using a set of used oem bags and struts and purchasing a new aftermarket controller and valve bank. NOTHING rides like air! Love the channel SFM! 😃
@PaulLemars01
@PaulLemars01 2 жыл бұрын
AHTA. That's what I love about your videos Matt, they're always Good Enough.
@cenariusbg
@cenariusbg 2 жыл бұрын
this channel is one of the best on youtube. . You deserve 1.68 milion subs, not 0.168
@MikeDS49
@MikeDS49 2 жыл бұрын
Creating the DIY air suspenstion system was like almost every software project I've been involved with. People with way too much talent and skill excited to DIY a solution. Which is awesome if it was a stand-alone side project, but not in the middle of a big production system that noone will know how it works in 3 years.
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 2 жыл бұрын
Although I agree, I recently see it the other way. For something that is built in language and supported natively with just a little bulky interface, people will pull few dependencies that do it with easier interface. I agree that interface could be better, but I prefer to have lowest amount of dependencies
@MikeDS49
@MikeDS49 2 жыл бұрын
@@darekmistrz4364 It needs a balance, given the projects constraints. It's clear Matt loves the DIY solution and we love watching him do it, but he saw the resource issues and pulled in the external dependency. Of course, the analogy breaks down somewhat. He doesn't need to rebuild his car every few months because of traffic law updates, and doesn't have to worry that the company who made the air suspension solution no longer exists or was compromised.
@rackbites
@rackbites 2 жыл бұрын
It's the maintenance of DIY systems over time that kills their viability ... there normally is no manual ... just vague recollections ...
@Mark-M72
@Mark-M72 2 жыл бұрын
Goodenough is one of the greatest engineers of the modern era :-D
@noahkatz9616
@noahkatz9616 Жыл бұрын
@SuperfastMatt I just discovered your channel, lots of great stuff! I believe what you said about air suspension at :55 is backwards; to raise the car you need more air volume, not pressure (the weight doesn't change). A greater volume of air has lower spring rate than a smaller volume.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 Жыл бұрын
All true, but he's using convoluted bellows, so he's fighting the stiffness of the rubber in addition to the spring characteristics of the air.
@salamander5703
@salamander5703 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the pressure the same regardless of ride height? You have the same mass at each corner, so the force on each airbag is the same, so the pressure is the same. Unless the airbag shape or suspension geometry changes. You just have more air in the bag at higher ride height which makes it longer. Which would also make it ride softer because you need more travel to halve the volume and double the force. Or am I missing something??
@Xander_1709
@Xander_1709 2 жыл бұрын
You are correct. That's exactly how it works and exactly why aftermarket kits, passenger cars and commercial vehicles that use airbags all use ride height sensors instead of trying to determine ride height based off pressure.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
That's all correct, for an ideal airbag. The reversible sleeve (or rolling lobe) designs are close, but Matt is using the double convoluted bellows type, and the rubber in those interferes with the ideal behaviour. Still, they're closer to the ideal that you describe than the behaviour which Matt suggested.
@darwinskeeper421
@darwinskeeper421 2 жыл бұрын
There is another solution to the ride height adjustability problem, hydropneumatic suspension uses a cylinder and piston filled with hydraulic fluid at each corner to sort of act as a spring. The cylinders are attached by high pressure hoses and hardlines to a nitrogen filled sphere (which is attached to the car's chassis) which acts as a compressible springing medium. Further more, there is a hydraulic system with a pump and valves which adds or removes hydraulic fluid from each corner to change the ride height and keep the suspension level. This system, introduced by Citroen for the DS was also used by Mercedes for its hign end cars, most notably the 300SEL 6.3 and later 450SEL 6.9. It was considered miraculous at the time but the system's complexity made it something of a maintenance hog. This may not be a problem for a high end Mercedes, but was a thorn in the side of many less than wealthy Citroen owners. Over time, these systems lost favor with manufacturers. Air suspension may have its faults, but it can be good enough for most purposes. Hydropneumatic suspension is a fun system to re
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
Systems like that still exist, including Lexus Active Height Control.
@paulg3336
@paulg3336 2 жыл бұрын
You can change the characteristics of a air spring by reducing the volume with a liquid such as a silicone oil. All telescopic motorcycle forks are coil/air spring hybrids ,whether they are pressurised or operate at ambient pressure. Changing the oil level alters the air space above the oil and therefore changes the air spring characteristics.
@customfreak81
@customfreak81 2 жыл бұрын
am I the only person that wants an "All hail the Algorithm" T-shirt? (with UK shipping)
@juscozcustoms
@juscozcustoms 2 жыл бұрын
as well as one that says "good enough"
@kylemcweeny878
@kylemcweeny878 2 жыл бұрын
Yea putting his cartoon matt profile pic was not a good choice i thought... I love the channel and want to support it but I'm way too cool to wear a cartoon matt on my back or a hat how bout that?
@gabbermaikel
@gabbermaikel 2 жыл бұрын
i designed my own airride, and i did it the right way. You dont use pressure EVER as rideheight setting. Its completely ret*rded. The reason you talked about in the video, the lower the car the lower the pressure. But then someone gets in, or you load up the back of the car with stuff and now all of a sudden the pressure rises because the bags have to carry more weight. Want to guess what the air suspension is going to do? Its going to lower the car even more in the back even tho it was allready getting lower because of the weight you added there. So instead of the car going level again when the air suspension activates it wil actually lean back even more. So the only way to go is to include height sensors. Height sensors and pressure sensors would be best if the system looks at both and trys to get the pressure left to right equal at all times. If you use that you should prettymuch have the same corner weight on each wheel.
@mmavcanuck
@mmavcanuck 2 жыл бұрын
Matt, I’ve been watching you since the beginning… of the dry sump video, and I gotta say, you’re must watch KZbin.
@JK70c
@JK70c 2 жыл бұрын
Your honesty on projects does me good
@FIAWOLpi
@FIAWOLpi 2 жыл бұрын
This channel keeps me from staying anymore projects. Thank you for your service
@obsgr1
@obsgr1 2 жыл бұрын
Best automotive KZbin channel out there. Easy to understand and Matt is easy on the eyes too. So it's a win win.
@t3ck3r
@t3ck3r 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Jag videos. All hail the algorithm !!!
@gridcoregilry666
@gridcoregilry666 2 жыл бұрын
I love your channel, the humor and nerd level is supherb. Love from Germany
@bilaltariq7819
@bilaltariq7819 2 жыл бұрын
That rear multilink has very specific bushes that bind in weird ways to provide passive steering effort depending on where the wheel is throughout it's travel. I hate modifying cars with multilinks because changing things even very minorly can throw the whole thing off.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
Passive steering doesn't result from bushing binding - it results from toe changes due to the link geometry and due to busing deflection. Replace the bushing with rod ends and you would still have the geometric effects; add compliance to compression and extension of the links and you would still have the effect of bushing deflection even without any binding.
@BillinSD
@BillinSD 2 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, this channel is so underrated. Tall your friends about this fun corner of the Internet!
@L-36
@L-36 2 жыл бұрын
I had air springs on my 36 foot dual rear axle 8 wheel motorhome. The driven rears were ride height adjusted. There was no controller, just the ride height valve. The fronts had a fixed pressure that I checked before each trip, and the tag axle had a pressure gauge and mechanical pressure release valve on the dashboard. Again, no controller. I could deal with the ride height problem (rear tow hitch) with the dashboard adjuster. By the way, the fronts make a big noise when they blew out when I hit a big bump. Also, I found you can pay someone $600 to take the front suspension apart to replace one or you can find someone who knows that if you roll them up and put soap on them you can have them installed for $30 the second time you blow one out. I also found that I could do it myself with the soap method once I watched the guy do it so third time was a charm. I don't think you will blow them out as my motorhome was 12,000 pounds so much higher loads. It was only the fronts that blew out and they were inside coil springs so not a huge deal. I often wondered what would happen if the rear bags went but never found out.
@mKhune
@mKhune Жыл бұрын
You speak so well. It's so satisfying.
@davesmith9325
@davesmith9325 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. I will now watch it. (Update, having just watched it, around 1m00 you show a madeupgraph(tm) that ride height is proportional to pressure. I dont think it is. In fact the pressure may be (approximately*) constant as a function of ride height .. what changes with ride height is the volume of gas in the system, not its pressure, cf orthogonally if you change the weight of the car by filling it with fat people, the pressure will need to increase to give you the same nominal ride height even though the volume is unchanged. Maybe. Its just a theory, I haven't inserted pressure sensors in the air suspension of my 21 year old lexus ls to check. You could probably insert 60 seconds of humorous explanation of the gas laws in your next if you wanted. *its affected by bag and suspension geometry etc
@TravisFabel
@TravisFabel 2 жыл бұрын
Assuming everything is flat and nothing's changing, the ride height is proportional to the spring/bag height and that is directly related to the pressure. So yeah, right height is proportional to the pressure but it's not linear and it's not constant. The problem is it's not constant. That's why we have to use ride height sensors instead of simple pressure sensors. That said if your car was equally loaded on all four corners, with identical suspension on all four corners, you could theoretically put them all to the same pressure and the car would be level and at varying ride heights depending on the pressure.... But since we live in A world where the driver is often offset to one side and the weight on all four corners is not the same etc etc... We need ride height sensors.
@kain0m
@kain0m 2 жыл бұрын
no, ride height does have a relation to pressure. The bag contact patch (where the bag rests against the end pieces) gets smaller as they extend, thus reducing the effective area, and requiring more pressure for the same load. Your approximation would be correct for a pneumatic piston, though.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. Ideally, changing the amount of air in the springs without changing the weight of the vehicle will just change the height without changing air pressure at all, but this style of air bag (convoluted bellow) needs more pressure to stretch so it is far from ideal; the rolling lobe (also called reversible sleeve) type would be closer. Your Lexus probably has rolling lobe springs.
@davesmith9325
@davesmith9325 2 жыл бұрын
@@kain0m totally agree, I was trying to keep it simple but did actually have a note (*) saying its affected by bag and suspension geometry etc. My core point is that its not the simple proportionality (ie goes through the origin) with pressure as shown in the graph seen around 1m00, on the contrary its a comple curve (eflecting bag and suspension geometries) closer to a band (depending on load etc) *parallel* to the axis
@davesmith9325
@davesmith9325 2 жыл бұрын
@@TravisFabel with respect I think you are wrong. You don't explain why, just state that bag height is related to pressure ... but (* for now overlooking the non linearities due to the shape of the bag) Imho that's not the case, as stated variations in the height of a bag (if we idealised it for a moment as a pistons as others have commented) is due to changing the amount of gas inside, not its pressure. Indeed think what a pump/controller is doing, it's pushing gas into/letting gas our from the bag. But I agree real world bags are not linear pistons. Using position sensors is perfect since that compensates for everything in one go . Changes in load (due to aero effects as well as fat passengers etc and non linearity due to real world bag and suspension geometries etc)
@JockeSelin
@JockeSelin 2 жыл бұрын
I love watching a DIY video about buying stuff. All hail the good enough! 🥰👍🏻
@andrewp612
@andrewp612 Жыл бұрын
Matt, I saw your Death Valley - Road Closed video, and thought that was pretty cool. I'm not sure what convinced me to start your Jag EV swap... but I have become a HUGE fan! As a civil I get your sense of humor and have really enjoyed all the videos in the Jag series. Anyway, love your stuff and I'm really looking forward to watching more of your videos. Right now you're still under 250k subscribers, which for me is cool because you're going to hit it big and someday I'll say, "I knew Matt when he was just a quarter mill!"
@Count_Smackula
@Count_Smackula 2 жыл бұрын
It often comes down to the standard formula: Money vs Time (+ skill).
@DrFiero
@DrFiero 2 жыл бұрын
Assuming you Arduino the solution, make sure you add a CanBus hat. Then you can read the VSS and tell it to not adjust pressures unless VSS=0. Otherwise every single dip in the road (etc etc) will make it a non stop battle to adjust itself. That's what the back of my '01 Seville does anyhow.
@stonefreak5763
@stonefreak5763 2 жыл бұрын
You don't make Videos, you make art
@theengineeringmechanic5116
@theengineeringmechanic5116 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite builds!!!
@MeatPoPsiclez
@MeatPoPsiclez 2 жыл бұрын
I was at a wedding and was sat next to someone that did suspension design for a German auto manufacturer, we briefly talked about what we did, then got on the subject of modified cars. I showed him the diagram for the double triangulated 4 link (solid axle) rear suspension I made for my Explorer, talked about design goals and shortcomings etc. He was tickled that I was planning to put such a highly modified vehicle back on the road, something he described as impossible in Germany, but mostly laughed and suggested it was quaint compared to the five link designs he worked on. It took me months of revisions to get the 4 link how I wanted it on paper (to be seen in the real world), but still I didn't disagree. 5 link independent are absolutely mind boggling.
@Steve_MFr
@Steve_MFr 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, While your example of low ride height equals soft and hi ride height equals stiff is probably somewhat true for the double bellow airbags you are using, generally in an air suspension pressure is a function of load whereas height is actually a function of volume. If the bellows volume is sufficient (or if you were to utilize sleeve airbags such as most OEMs generally use), there would be next to no stiffness change (or pressure change) at different ride heights. Have you fallen prey to the balloon analogy (bigger balloon = higher pressure)? :-p And drop the Viair compressor and pick up a used compressor out of an OEM air suspension. You won't have to redesign the mount and you will not hear any compressor noise anymore.
@isbcornbinder
@isbcornbinder 2 жыл бұрын
The internal spring pressure is the same at all ride heights. Resistance, like loading the vehicle will increase the internal spring pressure. Here is a question for you. Does your Jag get heavier at the full height of a lift on a hoist? I know it does not. Adding more cubic air to an air spring will cause it to extend until it meets resistance, only then will the internal pressure start to rise to meet or exceed the resistant load.
@brianb-p6586
@brianb-p6586 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the double convoluted bellows design of air spring, including the ones that Matt is using, have far from ideal air spring behaviour - it's almost like using a tire as an air spring, while the other type of air spring (the reversible sleeve or rolling lobe) acts more like a piston in a cylinder.
@FLasH3r
@FLasH3r 2 жыл бұрын
I liked this video. but didn't share since most of my friends won't understand Matt's humor. Good Enough™.
@davidspaulding569
@davidspaulding569 2 жыл бұрын
I watch all of your vids and i’m not even a car guy, they are just interesting and entertaining 👍
@brady5829
@brady5829 2 жыл бұрын
Cars are just the canvas, this is a garage engineering channel
@gsantee
@gsantee 2 жыл бұрын
Good Enough Matt, good enough. 👏🏻
@chrisvahi
@chrisvahi Жыл бұрын
Love the videos, now we just need the "Good Enough tm" t-shirts!
@volksbugly
@volksbugly 2 жыл бұрын
I'm building some active aerodynamics and I was thinking of using some air shocks, this is going to help me out alot. Thank you!
@supersymun
@supersymun 2 жыл бұрын
All hail algo! Need more 4runner!
@xbolt90
@xbolt90 2 жыл бұрын
All my friends know the low rider The low rider is a little higher
@dogdaze3748
@dogdaze3748 2 жыл бұрын
My Dad taught me the phrase "Good enough for whose gettin it. We ain't building a church." That helped me along most of my life until one day I found myself on a construction project...at a church. When it occurred to me I looked up with a smile. He was right!
@OmicronCrackaLac
@OmicronCrackaLac 2 жыл бұрын
"Good Enough" SFM Merch coming soon? love the work!
@aarondcmedia9585
@aarondcmedia9585 2 жыл бұрын
That heatshrink labeling really is the bomb. Algorithmic comments FTW too.
@deanwoodward8026
@deanwoodward8026 Жыл бұрын
@SuperFastMatt when you get tired of car projects you should tackle some basic DIY home projects... like electric opening doors using the guts of a Model S door controller.
@fouzaialaa7962
@fouzaialaa7962 10 ай бұрын
ok as a software engineer the code with the diy route is super simple and it doesnt require the ride height sensor since i know how much air is in the bag !!! in the code i wouldve made a table with all four wheels desired pressures in it and in an infinite while loop i would check every wheel pressure with the sensor and compare it to the table and do an action to lower or inflate more the buttons if i press high i would swap the values in the table and the while loop will inflate all the bags to reach the pressure if i press low i replace the values in the table and while loop would deflate the bags you can also make custom values to make the car dance if you want to
@dannymac6368
@dannymac6368 2 жыл бұрын
The dry sarcasm and resignation in the intro feels like a particularly endearing personal attack. 😅
@bedlamite42
@bedlamite42 2 жыл бұрын
We had a sign on the wall in the shop I worked at years ago. It said "Cheap, right, quick. Pick any two."
@mdb4879
@mdb4879 2 жыл бұрын
I believe the technical term you're looking for is "shock condom."
@grendelum
@grendelum 2 жыл бұрын
i’d def. toss a couple inches of polystyrene foam on the inside of the air compressor box, wild how loud those things are.
@darekmistrz4364
@darekmistrz4364 2 жыл бұрын
Screw compressors are quieter but I never see small versions of them, only industrial ones.
@grendelum
@grendelum 2 жыл бұрын
@@darekmistrz4364 - i’m sure roots makes a tiny supercharger…
@428Mario
@428Mario 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work and explanation. Look up plug welds for your contrl arm tubing. Add a lot of strength
@Solo5010.
@Solo5010. 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly from lowering cars for twenty years now the old two-by-four trick on any incline works just as good
@NickCohn
@NickCohn 2 жыл бұрын
Still reckon the aero wheels would look better. All hail the algorithm! #teamaerowheels #goodenoughisgoodenough
@mvdesigncustomworks5460
@mvdesigncustomworks5460 2 жыл бұрын
Good Enough is the best kind of good
@ShotgunRocket
@ShotgunRocket 2 жыл бұрын
"It's not just good, it's good enough!" -Krusty the Clown
@Miata822
@Miata822 2 жыл бұрын
@SuperfastMatt, Lovely video *But* ... In the future, please refrain from giving me thoughts of using cheap automotive parts for costly non-automotive projects at the very time that other projects are running behind. Thanks!
@Starcrafter78
@Starcrafter78 2 жыл бұрын
You got me good with the compressor joke, jump cut ;)
@isbcornbinder
@isbcornbinder 2 жыл бұрын
I have installed air suspension on my vehicles. I bought Holland Neway leveling valves, an air tank. pressure switch and a compressor. The system I installed is like the system used on public transit busses and 18 wheelers. KISS.
@devil2jz500
@devil2jz500 2 жыл бұрын
“SuperSmartMatt” should be your channel’s name.
@duhnboa5447
@duhnboa5447 2 жыл бұрын
This comment is Good Enough™
@xXRunDeathXx
@xXRunDeathXx Жыл бұрын
finally someone who converts american Volts into european micro-farads for me. i feel understood and loved!
@nickgeorgiakakis7249
@nickgeorgiakakis7249 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt, usually enjoy your videos but this one was Good Enough.
@sharifsircar
@sharifsircar 2 жыл бұрын
That ended about taking all the credit had me dead
@SubTroppo
@SubTroppo 2 жыл бұрын
Lowering the suspension: In the UK, Jags used to have a certain reputation. So there is no need to 'pimp your ride' as it is pre-pimped.
@honthirty_
@honthirty_ 2 жыл бұрын
Hail, hale, Skipper.
@daveqlockard
@daveqlockard 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. All hail the Matt.
@rjung_ch
@rjung_ch 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matt, a nice one. All hail the algorithm.
@jefflit4c
@jefflit4c 2 жыл бұрын
More switches = more fun. Front/back, right side/left side, all four corners, see-saw, and pancake.
@twentylush
@twentylush 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for including the metric measurements for the pressure guage in the solenoid block. I can now size my metric air tank and metric compressor appropriately
@georgepelton5645
@georgepelton5645 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Matt! Your Jag is awesome. All of your projects are super interesting. It is amazing to see all that you do.
@johnnym1320
@johnnym1320 2 жыл бұрын
How about making a barrel nut for the one bolt that you have to cut off every time?
@danateel
@danateel 2 жыл бұрын
To future Matt, "Man you are so screwed." All hail the algorithm. :D
@jayinmi3706
@jayinmi3706 2 жыл бұрын
Some time ago I found a guy who used an Arduino and ride height sensors from a truck on his Audi. I thought it was cool, but probably still better to buy one that already works. lol
@Eduardo_Espinoza
@Eduardo_Espinoza 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@thetumanshow
@thetumanshow 2 жыл бұрын
Great meeting you today. Got distracted by the Elan, but it was cool seeing the Jag looking fairly normal , though it looked better “aired out” as the kids say haha
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