SuperFish retrievable redirect tutorial for SRS / SRT tree climbing

[@petershea3131]

Thanks for the reply and this video! I ran into retrieval issues with SRS. After passing over another branch away from my anchor point there was too much friction to retrieve my line from the ground. It finally hit me to attach a line with a carabiner to my life line between my anchor point and redirect spot. This eliminated climbing back up and I could pull my line out smoothly with the tag line attachment then retrieve my anchor point 😄

[@aerialrescuesolutions3277]

Dan, the multiple camera angles are awesome, this adds a huge perspective change, and really adds to your presentation. The one thing I thought of was to just put a slip knot in the retrieval line at the Eject, with the tail pulled down like you showed. The throw bag is good too. Really great idea. Now I just have to justify buying the Eject. Most of us have so much gear already, ( like, a-lot) Thank you for all the videos, you really do great work, Jim H.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Hey Jim, Thanks for watching and for the great comments. The idea of putting in a marlin spike/slipknot to the line is a great addition to ensure you can reach the tail. I like that a lot. Thanks for the kind comments about the filming, that means a lot to me.

[@aerialrescuesolutions3277]

@@ClimbingArborist You always have such great content, I just build on the stuff you show. We talked briefly at the 2019 Eugene, Oregon event. I'm moving towards the Rope Access Technician direction now, with a serious focus on rescue training for all "on rope" situations. You really have great content on your channel, Jim H.

[@DavidWilliams-wr4wb]

i’ve been climbing professionally for 45 years and srs old school is all i know, at 60 i just started using a rope wrench and foot ascender this late in my career, i used to hand climb and set my rope , most folks could barely hold a big mac weight lol , but gravity has changed that but im not ready to retire so im just going to find ways to get in the tree more comfortable like 😊

[@treeworksch6959]

Another great idea and explanation. For people that already have the eject this is, for sure, one of the most rational srs redirects to use. Thanks for the input and have a good one.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Great comment, cheers brother!

[@josephwong1697]

Awesome, great idea with details explanation. Thanks Dan.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Thanks Joesph, Glad it was helpful for you!

[@jeffcoon7160]

A simple, retrievable, redirect is much like finding Bigfoot; just assumed it was another myth as I climbed back up to remove the old strap and biner. Thanks Dan

[@ClimbingArborist]

I should have named it the BigFoot redirect, or the Loch ness monster redirect, because this is the best, and most simple retrieval redirect in my opinion.

[@jafothetreeguy5168]

Hi Dan you never cease to amaze with you tips. work smarter not harder. thanks for all your help that is one cool idea & it’s definitely smarter. Stay safe & stay well 👍👍

[@ClimbingArborist]

Thank you 👍 your kind comments mean the world to me, I'm so glad you find the videos interesting and useful.

[@ForensicCats]

Thank you for posting and sharing the mechanism... you are appreciated by me.

[@PoplarMechanic]

Great job! I mainly use natural crotch and base ties now when I can, most good retrievable redirects use three times the rope, in the event I feel it will help me I use a quickie on one side of the limb pass a bite through the quickie and back to my zigzag or pulley on bridge and essentially double rope to position maybe get the far tips and then you can just unclip the bite from your bridge and the quickie slides down the rope right to you, but I can see the benefit in wide spread trees when you want to utilize srt how this could be useful, thanks for another tip for the tool box!

[@hosocat1410]

Very clever. Looking forward to seeing some vids of it in action.

[@ClimbingArborist]

There certainly will be some to come, as the right jobs come along to use it.

[@TheGreatLeslie]

Hey Dan, have you ever used the eject backwards and pulled your climbing line through once untied at the base of the tree?

[@ClimbingArborist]

Not sure I understand, why would you want to do that?

[@jongiancola7986]

Great video, thanks for that! I guess this would work the same way with the rope guide… which I own already 🤔

[@johngiannetti.]

I wonder if this idea could be used to make a retrievable rigging point with heavier-duty designed device. Heavier duty sling and higher rated eject device. I love that it's "fail-proof" with a stopper knot but easily released with the retrieval ball.

[@Beasthornen]

Nice, I've been working during about getting one of those ejects. Might be a good reason.

[@narutowindel]

Nice looks like the way to go

[@ClimbingArborist]

👍

[@integritytreecare4794]

Nice I like it , what country are you in , they snow is throwing me a curveball.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Canada

[@integritytreecare4794]

@@ClimbingArborist for some reason I thought you were from Australia.

[@ClimbingArborist]

@@integritytreecare4794 I'm from England but live in Canada

[@Cholton222]

Awesome dude. Your a smart dude. Bsafe Dan

[@ClimbingArborist]

Thanks 👍 your comment is very much appreciated!

[@phillippilmer4346]

This is a great video, however here in the UK we have to use 2 climbing systems now and it would be hard to do, I would just position my second system where you had the eject positioned. However its a really useful idea an the eject looks like a great ot if kit, as traditional cam saver are always getting stuck. Great video and food for thought.

[@aliray1165]

That’s great, you can still use two lines with this. Use your main srs system however you like and redirect as stated here, then use your doubles rope in addition and you’ll find you can get out even further than usual. It’s slower but so so much safer. I use 2 daily and the amount of stuff I can do that others don’t attempt is quite a lot. I’m impressed that other climbers are doing this also. Stay safe man 👍

[@ClimbingArborist]

You could just redirect both of your climbing lines through the carabiner, simple. If they are SRS setups then it doesn’t matter if they go through the same biner.

[@aliray1165]

@@ClimbingArborist never thought of that, I’m still new to srt so that’s a great tip, thanks.

[@phillippilmer4346]

I would live to try srt climbing but 15 years in and I never have, thanks for the tips it's always appreciated. I like the idea of one srt system and one drt. Thank you for another amazing video climbing arborist.

[@aliray1165]

@@phillippilmer4346 you’ll love it mate. Try just getting a simple ascent right first. Then switch to what you know at the top of the tree. It’s an extra tool not a substitute. It’s a bit of investment to begin with but it’s well worth it. Climbing arborist videos are SO helpful. I’ve learned a lot from him. The key is efficiency, the idea is for it to be effortless, once you get your gear tended correctly and adjusted to your height and comfort, the ascent should feel no more taxing than climbing up a ladder. I’m serious, it’s that good. Like I said you’re in the right place here, this guy knows his stuff and several of my friends look to his videos for guidance. I liked his lowerable basal anchor video, and his retrievable redirect videos are top notch. Good luck!

[@1975dbryant]

I like it. So only the webbing need to run the course around tight places where rings or carabiners would get snagged up. You make me wish that I owned a Petzl eject. I look forward to one day giving this a try. I already trust it. Because Dan likes it, that's good enough for me😁

[@ClimbingArborist]

Yes, the fact there is no hardware to pull through a union is the main reason Petzl designed this new friction saver. In their eyes it is their main selling point I believe

[@1975dbryant]

Nothing more irritating than climbing back up for your snagged hardware. I'm absolutely sold on the Petzl eject after seeing your KZbin videos. I've been troubled with hardcore insomnia lately. So I've not been working this week. I'll certainly purchase a P.E. as soon as I catch up on some bills and sleep🤷

[@DiamondTreeCompanyFortCollins]

Wouldn't making it midline attachable prevent having to load all your tail thru.?

[@integritytreecare4794]

I was thinking you could even tie in Ddrt on the retrieval side . That way if you have a steep limb walk you could use it get back up before you retrieve it.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Yeah, you could use the tail as a separate MRS line or use the tail as a M/A for your SRS line

[@mrtreejunkie]

Maybe dmm beaner with the pully add on would help for the redirect

[@DigitalTownSquare]

Probably the best srs redirect. Now you should find a way to make those go pros retrievable too 😂

[@ClimbingArborist]

😂 now you’ve got me thinking

[@pairadice3825]

Love me a good retrievable redirect

[@ClimbingArborist]

Thanks for the kind comment. Yes, edit them myself.

[@alotl1kevegas860]

Is there a cheaper, more simple option?

[@shawneetree1440]

I feel like I can always retrieve through 2 natural crotches, beyond that I clip a tag with a pulley and biner to the belly between crotch #2 and #3. Once down I just retrieve the last two redirects by pulling on the tag, then pull my first two out. That said, I’m a sucker for toys, so I’ll probably buy one anyway. One day I’m gonna have one hell of a garage sale.

[@majablasch7586]

So the eject is being loaded in a way it’s never been tested for? Is that what the disclaimer means?

[@ClimbingArborist]

The ejected is being loaded on the points that are design and testing for life support. It is just a configuration that is a new idea with this device, so unlikely they have pull tested it in this way.

[@majablasch7586]

The part with the prussik is bearing 100% of weight in this redirect and in it’s normal configuration 50%? Am I seeing this right? I don’t have one to play with

[@ClimbingArborist]

@@majablasch7586 Prussiks that are stationary can take a huge amount of load/force, like prussiks used to attach a MA system to a rope, or progress capture prussiks. Also, a redirect will not have 100% climber load, it will be a partial load depending on angle. Its only when a prussik is released unload a large load does the build up of heat become an issue.

[@majablasch7586]

I was more thinking about the way the eject is being loaded. Also I’ve never seen prussik on webbing before, but I guess there’s a first for everything

[@kevinwilson5118]

Genius

[@geekay4703]

Excellent video but can you please make a video saying prusik over and over for a half hour. Thanks.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Challenge accepted

[@moretmolina274]

Tom Hoffman is your man .. when you were doing the interview with Mark from Fid's and fibers a few years back he mentioned me my name is Mark Molina I am your local bionic man but I don't live in Canada I'm still in the game I'm still climbing I got to go to work plowing snow now but if you ever need it extra interview in the future let me know you can personal message me if you want to or you could just send me a message

[@1neAdam12]

Hmmmmm.... At what point do all these mechanical devices simply become too cumbersome. I find that for redirects, an extra short climbing line with a teufelberger Sirius sling works well enough, and keeps my harness free of multiple tools. Maybe I'm just old fashioned.

[@ClimbingArborist]

My personal experience - When I saw a climber with a loot of equipment and I didn't know what they would use it for I would always think 'Why bother carrying all that extra gear'. Once I learnt many many techniques using a wide range of equipment, I can then plan which equipment to take up into which tree as I imagine how I will climb the tree. Once you have a reason for each piece of equipment it becomes efficient to carry what might be seen as "lots of gear". In the case of this redirect though, It is just a friction saver (Petzl Eject) with a prussik and carabiner attached. Pretty much as simple as carrying a webbing sling or multi saver, but it is retrievable.

[@CaliforniaTravelVideos]

Awesome update to your prior video using the EJECT for retrieval. That said, over the last 4 months I'm a bit surprised no one has asked why the final retrieval technique demonstrates letting the assembly bounce through the branches as it tumbles to the ground. In your prior video you discussed a workaround using an extra retrieval rope and carabiner so the EJECT and Adjuster would not hit branches (our hard objects on the ground). Have you talked with Petzl and changed your approach? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZOYYWdogNSEhrs

[@TimberTrainer]

Hmmmmm. Something smells fishy. What's the catch. Haha. Neat to see your experiments Dan. You must have spent a few hours in the cold just to make these videos.

[@ClimbingArborist]

It’s all for the love of it

[@johnhass1084]

All the extra work with different camera angles and in tree to demonstrate this would have been lots easier and clearer in a shop or lab on the ground

[@ClimbingArborist]

And if it was done in a shop, lots of people would say they would prefer to see it in an actual tree. 🤷‍♂️

[@mattrafferty2836]

So this is just the mechanical version of this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2HWloVvl7ucZ68

[@claytonclark8389]

I don't like this. I envision a small branch getting caught in the rope acting like the retrievable ball causing catastrophic failure. I do like your presentation, so no slight towards you.

[@ClimbingArborist]

The rope has to be out of the device to allow it to open. The device can not open with a rope going through it.

[@claytonclark8389]

Good to know@@ClimbingArborist

[@dan_treeclimber5012]

That's a expensive redirect 😅

[@ClimbingArborist]

It is if you buy if for that purpose. It's free if you already bought it as a friction saver and this is just an added bonus of how you can use the product.

[@radovanflexvidacic9410]

it should not be complicated....

[@ClimbingArborist]

It isn't.

[@radovanflexvidacic9410]

@@ClimbingArborist bro, all the more technology advances the more complicated ... spikes, belt and saw you are god