Objectively WORSE!?

[@SuperReview]

Heads up, the headphone in my hand and in the measurements of this video is a DCA Expanse, not a Stealth. I'm not sure how I made that mistake but I'm sure Andrew is responsible for it.

[@R.C.Bullar]

😂

[@bozardo101]

I LOVE this discussion! This is how discussions SHOULD be made in the audiophile community. It should be constructive and strive to make progress in discussion NOT trying to say their opinion is better than everybody else's

[@CptMark]

Andrew's title was super clickbait-y. Topic in fact is, IEMs performance is objectively harder to predict with current measurement methods. But, I would say, that's the issue of the methods, not the IEMs.

[@haomingli6175]

now, the manufacturers of iems also only have these unsatisfactory measurements to work with when designing and tuning the iems

[@chungang7037]

@@haomingli6175 I'd prefer they use their ears to tune something rather than chasing measurements but I guess that is an unpopular opinion; hateful replys inbound.

[@haomingli6175]

@@chungang7037 I don't think any designer does *not* use their ears. they always do.

[@chungang7037]

@@haomingli6175 If that were true I think there would be a lot more gear that measures poorly but people enjoy anyway. Instead we have a lot of gear that measures well and it gets praised before even a lot of people have heard them, which likely influeces sales and the impressions the listener has. Even if they use their ears at first I suspect alterations are made to measure well at the end of the day.

[@haomingli6175]

@@chungang7037 there is no one definition of "measuring well" in terms of frequency response. even though there are well known standards out there, few iems if any at all are tuned to exactly match those standards. all of these tunings must involve some degree of subjective preference of the designers. and you know how these standards were determined in the first place? although basing off some objectively defined sound characteristics, they were also influenced by average subjective preference of a sample of the population. it turns out that if you aim at a response that is not too far off, then a decent proportion of the population will consider it good sounding, and then your product can sell. it is usually the case that if the graph looks good, then it is unlikely to sound ugly to most people; especially when the iem is cheap, then immediate praise upon seeing the graph is easily justified. it is the other way, i.e., iems with weird graphs that sometimes sound great, that might be missed by those primarily rely on graphs to identify good items. but these are usually more expensive iems where much care must be put in to fine-tune an unorthodox but good-sounding frequency response that highlights things not usually highlighted by more mainstream tunings.

[@VitorMach]

Which is why I made my own target and documented it, but I can't post it because KZbin deletes comments with links.

[@audio_tron]

Once this new audio war ends, put me down as a yes for the “how to make a frequency response target” video.

[@EastPlanet]

Exactly. In my experience, as someone who has more experience with headphones than iems, measurements seem all around more consistent in the iem world. It seems clear that insertion depth has less effect on measurements than all the combined variables of measuring an over-ear set. The point you made about personal targets is precisely it - even though different ear shapes will change the sound from person to person, YOUR ear shape stays the same. So if iem measurements are at least fairly consistent, you can apply the differences between them to your OWN experience with the sound. And as far as tuning goes, iems are much more accessible from a price perspective, which makes it a lot easier to audition different sets and hone in on what you like

[@pigmanny]

🥊resolve vs super, boxing match🥊

[@taidee]

I'll support both sides 🤣

[@SuperReview]

He just came back from Phuket, I'm screwed.

[@randomguy4616]

Lets go 🤣

[@eruilluvitar]

That's where they just throw IEM boxes in a game if dodgebox, yeah?

[@TonkyTronicus]

My audio dad can beat up YOUR audio dad!

[@MarsJimmy]

I don't think a measurement war is gonna change someones preference for headphones or in-ears. More than likely it's gonna come down to their respective sound signatures (accurately measured or not) and their form factor. In fact i would argue that having a pair of both keeps things fresh.

[@SuperReview]

Yeah, this whole discussion assumes that recreating natural sound is the goal. But that's very often not the goal.

[@chungang7037]

@@SuperReview This is an important point. A great video idea in fact!

[@HobbyTalk]

Pro tip: if you say “objectively” enough it makes what ever you say absolute truth.

[@SuperReview]

The other problem is people don't really understand what "objectively" means, like "literally."

[@HobbyTalk]

@@SuperReviewyou are objectively right about this… 100% haha

[@SuperReview]

squig.link/?share=Harman_Adjusted_Target,IEF_Comp_Target,Truthear_Zero_Red,7Hz_Dioko_(post-op),Super_22_Target

[@chungang7037]

@@SuperReview This literarlly blew my mind.

[@dopamining7621]

Good timing; I just watched Andrew's vid yesterday. I agree with you, with a modification to the point about headphone positioning impacting sound: it's headphone dependent. I own the Hifiman Arya and the Audeze LCD-2, both open back planars. But moving the LCD around on my head has zero or negligible affect on the sound, while the Arya changes radically with even slight movements. Especially the distance from my head: i put 2mm foam riser rings under the Arya's pads and it radically boosts the low end. There's no comparable impact with the Audeze.

[@andy.w]

Yes. I found it the hard way. I forgot about these issues a long time ago when my Sony MDR-something went RIP. My headphones are all open or semi ever since. I recently acquired a used one, but in a very good condition Momentum Over Ear, I think it's the first generation with cream-brown color scheme. I like the sound so much, only if I put a small pressure on the bottom part of the cups because the bass is leaking.

[@taidee]

For my personal use, IEMs win most times because when kids are studying in the house, and it's cold I'm wearing a beanie, IEMs. For storage, I currently sit with 7 IEMs that I cycle through for most, not such space for headphones. Also have found that for me as a budget buyer, I can get a far better sound at the price than with headphones. Eartips are far cheaper and available in larger numbers (I have many packs of Velvets, S&S, etc) compared to earpads. For example you could buy a budget IEM for what I've recently paid for my Sennheiser HD600 replacement pads. In terms of reading squigs, I'm relatively fluent enough to know things I really won't like and what I will like more or less with IEMs. When it comes to fit, I think IEMs probably out of their sheer variations, can be a bit harder to know if an IEM will physically wear as comfortably as the next, just because if works for the other person might not wear well for you, you might need to take it out after an hour. Like I can sleep wearing the Timeless, but can't go over an hour wearing SA6 MkII. This part is less tricky on headphones, where the headband might create a hotspot on top of your head or, make your lower jaw saw after a while, this can bother one person and not another and you might find out only after purchase.

[@juanblanco7898]

>Budget buyer >Dunu SA6 Mk2 🧐

[@shin-ishikiri-no]

Mark, great to see you're still uploading! Interesting to see your opinion on IEM's here. I didn't think much about these before your content, so your work is having a ripple effect. I'm surprised you haven't done any reviews of headphones while riding a Ninja. lol

[@patrick600]

I am wondering if interaction with pinna gives headphones advantage over IEMs. In my experience headphones can sound more natural and engaging than IEMs regarding timbre and sooundstage.

[@HobbyTalk]

This was a great video. Nice contrast to Resolve’s. Love hearing both sides.

[@StarBuccaneers168]

I have zero idea what my ear canals look like. There are so many factors how we could interpret the sound differently. I really wonder if drinking coffee would affect the sound. Thanks for making this video.

[@SuperReview]

What if I told you... I know what your ear canals look like.

[@StarBuccaneers168]

@@SuperReview

[@subbybass1432]

These are really good points. When considering the variables that play a role at the eardrum, you can end up overthinking headphones just as much. I'd say headphones are objectively worse than IEMs in pad tax, passive isolation, keeping a good hairstyle (ok, not an issue for some), and fitting in a pocket metrics. :-)

[@Rezzzn0r]

I had the same feelings when I watched that video from The Headphone Show. To me most of what has been said against IEMs translates to headphones as well. And I am not biased, I love and I own both IEMs and big headphones. Peace!

[@h1a8]

From my experience, the vast majority of the time iem measurements have correctly predicted the tonal balance of the iem. I have personally purchased over 50 iems since 2005. And I've look at many many graphs. The only thing the graph doesn't predict is technical aspects (soundstage, imaging, etc). Now with headphones I would say the graphs have been slightly less predictive (I sometimes wear glasses). Even when I don't wear glasses I purchase some headphones which sounded grainy (and slightly harsh) than headphones that sounded smoother but the graphs showed the opposite. I think that may be because of how my head is shaped and the different design of the headphone. But i do agree that great $400-$700 headphones sound better than $1000-$1500 iems. For example, my Hifiman Edition XS is better sounding than my UM Mest mk2.

[@1337sim1]

Yes and I think it's true the other way around. For less than 100$ or even 200$, IEMs sound better to me than headphones.

[@h1a8]

@@1337sim1 Probably in general. But I assure you, the Edition XS sounds better than any iem under $1000 😄. I have a lot good iems too. Chopin, Hype 4, ie600, mest mk2, etc

[@kaifmohammed9398]

Oh please, god please, much needed tutorial for the personalized iem target and this was just so satisfying to watch As i am myself a hardcore iem guy not that headphones are bad, again preference... So satisfying to prove Andrew 'objectively' wrong

[@Jordonater]

This is very true. Having bought a headphone model 3 times before the difference in sound between supposedly the same model was remarkable. This turned out to be slight driver variances but more importantly the clamp pressure was not consistent which meant some were to loose and some were a little tighter which affects the bass and mid to air frequencies more than people would realise.

[@dentboxhero1717]

The only thing we can agree on is, regardless if it's iem or over ear, FR graphs can easily be manipulated during testing and or gathering graph results.

[@SuperReview]

Try to convince the hardcore objectivists :P

[@1337sim1]

I also found his video kinda weird... Wouldn't there be less factors that can go wrong when you measure an IEM vs a over ear headphones? Seal (tips) + insertion depth VS Seal (glasses, beard, head shape/clamp force, pads, etc.) + ear shape ???

[@rustyshakelford1466]

Yes, measuring headphones has wayyyy more error factors than IEMs; Just the Head rig will change the measurement significantly.

[@raifilho-0085]

Can you make a video helping us find our ideal target? Thank you!

[@MuhammedAhmedMuhammedbudni]

My ears are extremely sensitive so that's why not going to enjoyable SIMGOT ew 200 FiiO FD11 vs Blon bl-03. For better treble with less harshness.Better lows,mids,soundstage,imaging,vocals,better warm sound,clarity,deepness. For movies,podcast,arabic quran. Is FiiO FD11 significantly better for a beginner?

[@sensoryexpanse]

You're too sweet to the point that Resolve will probably fall in love with you as opposed to beefing. Great video Mark!

[@pjmt29]

In the red corner we have Resolve wearing glasses with a squarer shape, In the blue corner we have Super Review wearing glasses with a rounder shape LoL

[@G00dH0uR83]

Great meeting you Mark at CanJam NY this past weekend! Loved this review and would LOVE to see a video showing how to create your own personal target.

[@SuperReview]

Thanks for introducing yourself, I'll start thinking about how to best do the target video.

[@lindholdt7550]

Great discussion, very interesting and would love you and Andrew get together and just continue talking about this topic. 😊 And please! Do make a guide on how to create your own preference line, I would love to learn that, and I think many others would as well. Great content as always, thank you 👍

[@tannyn4460]

Oh I love this! Gets tiresome being told one thing over another is right for everyone.

[@pdesurra]

For me iems are a more inclusive way for more people to join the audiophile community. They are by and large more affordable themselves, they don't require amps to power, they are portable, and right now there are so many more interesting options and companies making interesting products. There is a gatekeeper-ness to headphones because you need so much more than just the headphones to get a "HiFi experience."

[@mikesoke]

You really don't need "so much more". All you need is an amp that covers your impedance and sensitivity and most headphones can get by on a 50-100 dollar amp. That is ONE item....lol SO MUCH MORE.

[@mikesoke]

AND IM ONLY TALKING HIGH IMPEDANCE HEADPHONES....MOST REGULAR WILL RUN OFF OF YOUR PC MOBO

[@fofopho]

Resolves video was goofy tbh. It started with clickbait and then tried to justify the clickbait with a bunch of facts irrelevant to what was stated in the clickbait. Can’t knock the hustle, but that video was silly.

[@Lead_Foot]

A headphone still has to assume the effects the rest of your head and upper torso have on sound.

[@RainbowSun0529]

I think the most important part of what Resolve mentions is that IEMs bypass pinna, making it difficult to tune IEM to sound natural. Because everyone's pinna are different, it's not possible to simulate different ear gains for each person through tuning. On the other hand, the headphone do go through pinna, so it gets the most natural ear gain for each person's own anatomy, thus objectively superior than IEM.

[@chungang7037]

I guess people into measurements will find this discussion interesting, but even the best IEMs have never sounded mind blowing to me. They are in the same category as bluetooth headphones; it is about convenience. Cheaper, truly portable, and usually easy to drive. You can be an audiophile for 150 bucks [cheapo phone, dongle, and an IEM], so that is cool for the future. In Asia it is already a reality, many places are too hot much of the year for full size headphones, and many want to be on the go with minimal gear. As dystopian as it sounds they are probably the future, but are they better? I guess it depends on the situation.

[@eruilluvitar]

Interesting discussion!

[@SuperReview]

You listen to a lot of stuff. What's your take?

[@eruilluvitar]

@@SuperReview I lean more towards Andrew's arguments when it comes to discussing differences between IEMs between people - the fact that IEMs bypass the pinnae gain means that the likelihood of two people hearing an IEM similarly drops significantly relative to the same two people hearing a headphone similarly.

[@LuckyHit87]

would be cool to see a video on making your own target!

[@aayandutta2460]

There is always a thin line in both the cases where everyone even you and Andrew will be agreeing to.... Every iem, earphone or headphone is tuned and has a specific graph.... It won't respond differently for different person.... Where the difference comes is what kind of seal everyone gets in or on their ears.... So both of you are kind a conversing without any substantial witness.... Thats just my personal opinion.... I personally have tried both iems and headphones and I would always stick to iems.....

[@clkgtr7]

There's a factor even more obscure than rig variations or personal anatomy that rarely gets mentioned - listening volume levels. Equal loudness curves show that something can be neutral or V-shape depending (one example) on the given playback volume. I'm sure plenty of people are aware of this but I feel it isn't repeated enough.

[@SuperReview]

Wouldn't that apply to the natural world (e.g. a bird chirping in front of me) as well?

[@GoufinAround_]

I think graphs in general are just overly emphasized at the moment. People think they can use eq to simulate iems with totally different internals and build dimensions and expect to be listening to an accurate representation of something. Just because you match an FR graph doesn't mean you're listening to the same thing and that irritates the hell out of me.

[@SuperReview]

Ha, would accept that using EQ to match the frequency response of another IEM is a useful way to approximate the sound of that IEM?

[@brssnkl]

If we were actually using IEMs for monitoring, it would be better to bypass as much of individual differences as possible. In theory, bypassing outside of your ear should be a good thing :D

[@SuperReview]

How do you figure?

[@SeasideBandit]

I love IEMs. I never use to like earphones, but i was always buying crappy ones from the stores, and being disappointed. I would then go back to listening to music with either my Creative Aurvana Live or the SHP9500. I bit the bullet when the Tin T2 came out, and i have been hooked ever since.

[@cameleon303]

If you measure S8 without your glasses, you may not see very well and measure it wrong 😂🙈

[@SuperReview]

Damn, missed a chance for that joke -- could've shown a blurry graph D:

[@JoseFerreira-zb7wh]

Earpads on headphones get worn out, some of them very easily and that also messes up with fr, significantly. This can mess up both measurements and the way people perceive sound. Silicon tips don't suffer from this as much.

[@kenjikodai]

I'm selling my Edition XS because it's annoying having something on top of your head for hours lol

[@SuperReview]

Have you tried wearing it over your ears instead?

[@pliedtka]

LOL

[@kenjikodai]

​@@SuperReviewunfortunately it's still not great lol

[@lain6889]

3D binaural mics bake in the ear shape into the sound way more than a headset or iem will by itself. Technically iems are better at playing exactly what's recorded.

[@H-4-D3423]

Just like your opinions matter Mark, a balance of other people is no bad thing - but when you account for music "taste", that brings more difference in a review score than the physical measurement ever will... ;) Shine on you crazy diamond...

[@SuperReview]

Oh now you've cracked this can of worms wide open. Everyone should just listen to Men I Trust so we can talk about these things objectively.

[@H-4-D3423]

@@SuperReview Deffo, I mean Jazz, what the devil is all that about... :D

[@hotsos8162]

Being harder to measure is not a good argument for being the worst audio device, but if you take this question at face value and not overthink it it's really not that subjective, the thing I don't like the audiophile community and creators is that the don't spill the tea and don't tell viewers the stereotypes when making a comparison like this, when I was new in the this space that confused me so much ,like If I had 300$ and I want an audio gadget and I don't mind whether it's an iem or a headphone just tell me which one is the most audio for my money not just in their context, ,for example the hd600 or the blessing 3 which are both class leading in their space, so after watching reviews for both of them you I thought they will have the same quality, but they're really not, no one told me that iems generally are a compromise to headphones, so when they say the blessing 3 sounds good for 300$ they mean in the context of iems not not the best for that price overall, not telling the obvious thing for you as a reviewer will confused the viewers who doesn't know it.

[@catadegen]

When I saw the title of headphones shows' video, the only thought came to mind was, "aight, someone gonna release a thesis about how Funta's being better than Cola". Whatever you say man, whatever you say.

[@SuperReview]

You just blew my mind, I've never seen it called "Funta" before. I assume that's the same as the Fanta we have in the US?

[@catadegen]

​@@SuperReview Definitely just a typo, not pun intended o/

[@SuperReview]

@@catadegen Oh I looked it up and seems to be a real thing.

[@cobrabucket]

Please, PLEASE make a video about creating your own preferred FR! Great video, sir.

[@SuperReview]

Roger.

[@mrdrwdry]

Great video! This shows your passion for the hobby or niche. Appreciate the points mentioned.

[@SaveMeAzathoth]

Calling something objectively better/worse when sure the differences are basically objective, but the metrics of goodness being used to judge those differences are kind of questionable.

[@SuperReview]

Yeah, I didn't go down that route of objection to focus on the meat of Andrew's arguments rather than go for a cheap semantic win. But "objectively good / bad" is a bit of an oxymoron. (I'm sure Andrew, a man of philosophy and culture, would agree anyway.)

[@SaveMeAzathoth]

@@SuperReview While perfect metrics of goodness may be an impossible ask, I think that well-defended metrics are a fair substitute. I feel like there's a gap between Resolve's arguments and a shared understanding (pre-existing or freshly established) that what's being described is a problem. Like, it's not clear to me that the difference between my pinna and the pinna of whoever tuned a particular iem is likely to be the predominant factor to push it outside my tolerances for "natural sounding" let alone outside of "unnatural but in a way that's interesting". Pushing that from a *conceivable* problem to a *likely* problem would have significantly helped to complete Resolve's argument.

[@deadline7610]

Nicely Done. Looking forward to your video on making my own target.

[@GadZookz]

What am I to do? My two headphone heroes are locked in mortal combat! 🫣

[@supernaut7946]

Yeah the problem with his video is pretty much just the title. All hed have to do is clarify that it's the inconsistent measurements and subpar rig capabilities that's the main focus of the video. Because that doesnt necessarily have anything to do with the quality of iems at all

[@AFreezer]

IEMs are SUBJECTIVELY worse for me because I can't stand shoving things in my ears 🤣 Also, for some reason I find open back headphones sounding more natural than IEMs. Maybe it's due to my ear canal being occluded less with open backs, but idk. I'm no expert in this 😂😂

[@-duck]

highly depends on what you used or listened to because the iems you tried and open backs may be vastly differently tuned

[@hpwrotethis]

Smh. I gotta not wear my glasses and not be able to read anything in front of me just to get some bass

[@SuperReview]

Hey I don't make the rules.

[@shinythings7]

I agree that iems are more personal. But I also think most people are not trying to make their own target when watching reviews. And if they were making their own target, wouldn't they want to measure and make sure the measurements are most representative to them? I also really like the idea of iems, mostly due to their ability to close out outside sounds while still sounding good and their portability. But I also have a massive gripe that the cable noise you get from iems is so much worse for me than they are to headphones, to the point where if I am walking around at all, I am hearing all the noise of the cable and iem moving around in my ear. I bring up subjective points to illustrate that I never would have learned these things without trying stuff and my subjective opinion. I just think they are too personal to be objectively better than headphones.

[@shinythings7]

I also think more iem reviewers need to start measuring the nozzle thickness. Having smaller ear canals means that a lot of iems are basically unusable for me. That's an easy metric that I wish was more widely published.

[@taidee]

A combination of good texture cable and eartips is usually the solution for microphonics, some cables have a lot of them than others by far. And price doesn't seem to matter at all, cloth braded cables are usually the worst.

[@kettlebro]

I personally either like the tuning and technicalities of audio device or I don't. There goes all the graphs, statistics, averages, and hours of autistic rants about what is basically "chocolate" vs "vanilla" flavor where you just look silly trying to uniform one of the most subjective hobbies there are.

[@hasankhasawneh8487]

iems can have many BA drivers, ESTs and DDs, where headphone only 1 driver. I feel iems easy to tune and deliver great sound with cheaper price.

[@SuperReview]

I'm hesitant to say it's easier, as I personally couldn't do it, but if we use the common precision of IEM tuning vs. the comparatively blunter common tunings of headphones as evidence, it does seem more feasible to get exact with FR adjustments using IEMs -- multiple drivers, crossovers, and other magic.

[@hasankhasawneh8487]

@@SuperReview i agree, love your work, keep it up

[@janowhatever]

Yes graphs are super helpful but god damn I dont listen to sine waves in an anechoic chamber and my ears are not some coupler. Audio perception is very subjective and as you metioned not everyone likes the same signature. Same goes for fit and comfort. In the end I listen to music not gear.

[@Audioholic42]

Would love to see a video on how to create your own Target!

[@JBM12G]

Definitely sipping tea from my 5128 Resolve mug as I watch this.

[@majoskorica8506]

Right now I am really curious if Andrew somehow respond to this video

[@TheMaurob1979]

Some people thinks just becouse iem size is a lot smaller than headphones means better sound..than i m gonna say something..i had 70 dollars iems that sound better in any aspect than the sennheiser 6xx..not only this..but i have 25 dollars iems that make you forget 200 dollara hesdphones..mine doesnt want to be take position..becouse we are here beckuse we all love listening music..the future are the iem..

[@SuperReview]

That definitely gets into preference, though I think when it comes to IEMs vs. closed-back headphones specifically, I don't know that anyone prefers closed-backs, certainly not on price.

[@TheMaurob1979]

@@SuperReview headphones are overpriced for sure..im gonna keep an open back..the he400 se..but for the iems..wow every week a new model poops out and is hard to get the right one..perfect example: 2 weeks ago i bought the hexa ..had to returned because the bass department didnt match my preferences..and on top of that..only few stores are available for us for try and than but iems

[@dhruvmeena96]

Ohhh yeah MRS going hardcore arc

[@SuperReview]

💪

[@AndrewUKLondon]

First comment!! Just need to watch the video next ( having just bought a chord mojo 2 and moving it with my IEMs and headphones!). I love my IEMs , they can be more intimate than my headphones. Having both is great.

[@aceofspades6667]

2 channel > headphones > iems… however: < 500 for iems < 2500 go hps > 3k go 2 channel

[@SuperReview]

Also with speakers, you don't just need more money, you need a room you can treat with a priority on sound over aesthetics. That's real expensive.

[@aceofspades6667]

@@SuperReview you’re correct but in a smaller room that doesn’t have a tone of modes I’ve found a decent 2 channel setup can be done relatively easy. Treat first reflection point cover windows with blinds and bass traps in corners of needed. Think it cost me $300 to treat my listening room.

[@sto-humanfriendly]

But Mark, everyone loves the 10db tilt target!

[@SzymonSaysStuff]

Is that finally dead or?

[@SuperReview]

AKA "The Dab"

[@kingensai]

Good stuff, agree on every point.

[@SuperReview]

🤙

[@recode8453]

headphones is ancient technology iem is the future

[@anupambphoto]

“The future is now, old man!”

[@SuperReview]

🌶️

[@mcculloughdesign]

Good stuff! Thanks for firing back

[@MrColdchillin81]

I’m sorry I almost always disagree with Andrew’s opinions. So much so I know if he’s rec’d a product that means he, precog and crin are all prolly on the same page which means really thin, no musicality and shrill brightness to provide fake resolution. So I have no respect for this opinion - especially since its clearly just biased if he had indeed looked at it objectively bed have realized the counter argument mark is making. As it’s totally obvious

[@DucNguyen-ln8jy]

Love both of you guy, I don't want to take side 😢

[@SuperReview]

Choose love.

[@HungryEatNow]

iems are for perfectly shaped ears

[@WarisAmirMohammad]

Void* Review

[@ResolveReviews]

Let's gooo

[@SuperReview]

😘

[@eruilluvitar]

It would be neat to get the two of you together at CanJam this weekend to have an impromptu chat about this! Happy to host/moderate/provide food and drink for it!

[@ResolveReviews]

@@eruilluvitar yes haha

[@someguy3060]

Unlike Tyson you guys can't bite ears off, you need those in your line of work.

[@SuperReview]

I don't think Andrew is a biter. Blaine, maybe.

[@taidee]

This comment should be pinned 🤣🤣

[@FabioKasper]

🌶 No measurement will ever be able to account for brain burn-in. 🌶

[@SuperReview]

That everyone's ears are different and the world still sounds natural proves that brain burn-in is not only a thing, it is the default thing. Also cope, cope is default.

[@stringer8839]

Ear infections, accidental high volume scenario, everytime screwing inside ear canal:HOLD MY 🍺

[@SuperReview]

Easy, don't be sloppy.

[@stringer8839]

@@SuperReview here Humidity is high...am still not 100% figure out how to properly insert iems with right tips....if possible can you please make a video on that.. People not give any advice in this part that is my needed topic for iems beginners

[@renatobdc]

Fight! Fight! Fight! 👊😅

[@jaroslavfricek7772]

Heading for 70k…👍❤️ These are so nerdy discussions😆 but I understand , what really is a thing is that if I think about let say 4 IEMs I love and 4 Headphones I love + some DAC amp I love Iam getting to around $40 000 😆😆❗️❤️

[@SuperReview]

Expensive tastes!

[@jaroslavfricek7772]

⁠Well probably😁, but if we went together through each item, we would agree it is just really nice gear... Look at you evolving through the years and your taste are finer and finer..😆 Saying all that, I really love these days Truthear Hexa ❗️😁🙋‍♂️

[@pithyginger6371]

I feel like iems are objectively worse in that they are worse for objectivity.

[@SuperReview]

That's pithy, ginger.

[@SzymonSaysStuff]

Haven't watched either video yet but Andrew did nothing wrong here. 😂

[@SuperReview]

What if I told you he added a sub-150Hz bass shelf?

[@SzymonSaysStuff]

@@SuperReview now it's personal.

[@rustyshakelford1466]

Objectively clickbait, typical of r/headphones youtuber.

[@SuperReview]

I'll call the spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down. Getting in depth with subjects like these is super helpful for understanding the hobby, but it can be pretty dry and unattractive for a lot of people without a little spice thrown in. In the case of Andrew's video, I think there's a lot of substance behind it and it's worth watching.

[@asciisuki7002]

Me who has watched neither video yet: Flathead earbuds still reign supreme.

[@ANOLE_VX]

Eww

[@asciisuki7002]

@@ANOLE_VXI SPEAK ONLY TRUTHS

[@andy.w]

Koss KSC75: You called those puny things flathead? Cute.

[@Grrrr3FKAGrrrrGrrrrGrrrr]

Loudspeakers rule! Headphones and IEMs are for losers

[@SuperReview]

Yeah but that's just like your opinion man

[@michaellangley183]

Can't we all just [throw our measurement rigs in the closet for a while and listen to some music] get along?!