2023 C8 vs 2023 Z06 (The Biggest Issue)

[@COLDM010]

Maybe I’m in the minority here but I really think the Z06 fixes a lot of the issues I had with the C8’s aesthetics. The proportions and design overall just seem to flow better.

[@andrewr7736]

The Z06 isn’t meant to be a completely different car, it’s a higher performance trim level of the C8. It’s the same as a R/T Challenger compared to a Hellcat Challenger, not much aesthetically changes but there is a significant increase in performance. The ZR1 has been the highest trim and will likely be the most different in terms of appearance. Also, the bumper is clearly different and three and a half inches is a noticeable difference… in terms of width.

[@retartedfreak]

The Z06 is red hot right now because it's the latest and the greatest, but it's still the second from bottom trim level no way in hell it keeps its value like this long term.

[@steevynovirus_f3099]

Maybe 🤔

[@_baller]

Agreed I never noticed much difference of previous Z06s

[@Michael-pi8ps]

The front bumper is BARELY different, I know the difference because I’ve seen a bunch of C8s. But your average person won’t. The same with the width of the car

[@cali2468]

Like I said in my other post, if you want the car to stand out you have to get the aero package. The Aero package is not available on a stingray, only the Z06. I can't fathom why anyone would buy one without it.

[@staffordac]

I think you have to get the Z07 package for it to really look different than the base model

[@thejhp1]

He agrees with this too, but his point is that if you stuck the Z07 package on the stingray, most people would think its the z06 with a z07 package still.

[@cali2468]

@@thejhp1 That point makes absolutely no sense at all considering the Z07 package is not available on the Stingray. It's exclusive to the Z06. 🙄

[@gregmayled]

@@cali2468 you can get a wing and aero kit which is what he is implying.

[@cali2468]

@@gregmayled The wing on the Z51 a far different from the one on the Z06. Aside from that, there are aero pieces such as the massive front splitter which are also exclusive to the Z06. Another pointless and moot comment. Please don't waste my time. 🙄

[@gregmayled]

@@cali2468 😂 grow up. It’s quite blatant that to the average person a C8 with Z51 and a Z06 with Z07 look remarkably similar. If you don’t agree then you’re being obtuse.

[@1jiveturkey1]

Today, Mr. Spaghetti is not upsetti that he has 2 new corvettis.

[@tla359]

That was shit try again

[@andrewsimckes5748]

I will say it again Mr 1jiveturkey1 you are a 1JERKOFF

[@MrInternFTL]

@@andrewsimckes5748 😢

[@Olds_Gold]

😂🤣😂🤣 my seven-year-old daughter said the same thing almost verbatim

[@Olds_Gold]

Not that mr one jive turkey one is a jerk off...... exactly about the spaghetti upsetti Corvettie

[@toprandomvideos2123]

I could tell the difference from the front immediately. Regardless this is a "problem" that isn't too bad to have. They also focused on the differentiation on the rear if I had to guess because it's what most people will briefly get a glimpse of with the performance. Either way anytime I see a Corvette it's nice. 🇺🇲

[@AranOCNC]

Am i wrong but the Z06 has different front bumpers, different side scoop, different wheels and maybe different lights. . . Looks quite different to me but Ive only seen one c8 irl. The joys of Ireland.

[@jayvee5886]

I think that the fact that they are both orange makes them look very similar. If the z06 had specific colors for it maybe it will make a difference. However, I agree that to the untrained eye, they won't be able to tell.

[@josephgillum5396]

The only panels they share below the belt line are the doors.

[@jonathanberube5056]

You have to get the Z07 with the high wing. If not to the untrained eye they look the same. The sound is much different to anyone though!

[@venom5809]

Guy here in town has a C8 with the high wing on it so you are back to square one again. LOL

[@cali2468]

@@venom5809 The high wing on the Z51 C8 is not the same as the one included in the aero package for the Z06. It's much shorter. Try again.

[@vettesweetnos]

Sigala

[@michaell4445]

Great video and I agree with most of what you said. But you only focused on the difference in looks vs value. My biggest problem is the performance differential to the regular Stingray is just not enough to justify the expense. That’s not a slam against the Z06, but really more kudos to GM for making the reg C8 so good. Sure the Z06 engine sounds amazing. The Z06 is set up for track use off the showroom floor and if that’s your goal then it’s definitely a good option. Driving dynamics are terrific. But when you are talking value, the reg C8 blows it away. You can take a base C8 for $65k and it’s barely a half second slower in 1/4 mile than the Z. The Z is only 2 tenths quicker to 60 than the base car. And yes, on a road course things are different. But you can make a couple grand worth of suspension modifications, slap on a set of Cup2 tires and and for under $75k you can build a SR that will keep up with a Z06 and still outperforms the capabilities of 99% of the Z06 buyers out there. And that’s before we look at serious modifications and power adders. The Z06 is really more about bragging rights to impress other corvette owners than as an outright bargain super car. The real bargain super car is a regular 1LT Stingray. A Z06 with Z07 package is nearly $60k more, that’s almost double the price. And not only is it a drivers race as to which is faster, the general public cannot tell the difference if both cars are parked side by side.

[@cookieman0916]

That flat plane sound is unbelievable. Makes my GT350 sound quiet

[@slowspecv69]

Do er up then bud make it scream like it can

[@chickentava]

@@slowspecv69 it'll blow if he does that

[@slowspecv69]

@@chickentava an exhaust causes engine failure interesting theory you got there pal

[@kern417]

I don't think people in the comments understand Rob's point. He's not only saying that they don't look different enough. He's saying they don't look different enough for +50k-100k over the base C8. Like, sure, my 440i looks almost the same as a 430i besides some small differences. But BMW doesn't charge $50k for just an engine and bumper swap.

[@thenatural1759]

I have a '23 Stingray and I agree. Outside of the visual differences, for the ZO6 I would have had many fewer creature comforts to make it lighter (less leather, no soft close, no electric seats, no electric steering column, etc). I would have reworked the rear end including much less luggage capacity in exchange for better rear aero, but also so there was a big visual difference bwletween the two cars and they could at last fix the "Camaro problem." I can imagine sacrificing space in the frunk for a series of small S-ducts. I mean sky was the limit for the team. One thing that would have been nice on the ZO6 motor also, would have been pre-chamber combustion like an F1motor. Maybe it would have produced enough power to maintain, or improve the power band and still allow a 9k redline, but I'm just a guy on the interwebs. What do I know?

[@TamagoHead]

Props to the Chevy engineers. The wider rear track & bigger tyres are well-disguised while follow the base design. Rob is wrong on the appearance, but that Z06 engine is a beast!

[@yungkidnf]

I agree. Rob got it 100% wrong on this one.

[@dslynx]

Z06 sounds amazing.. just don't know if it's $40k amazing.

[@cjd82187]

I’d also not be able to use the extra 40k of performance… even the base one is too fast for my back roads.

[@zachg9065]

I think it looks just about the same difference as the Porsches or Ferrari's except the really high end ones. When you have 2 in the same color right next to each other then yeah it looks the same as the base C8.

[@ryanmorris99]

This should be called Stingray vs. Z06. They are both variants of the 8th generation of the corvette (C8). I think this mislabeling confuses a lot of people. Its like saying a Porsche 992 vs. a GT3. They're the same thing...

[@tomsummers403]

Thanks. Not taking anything away from the awesomeness of the Z06, you just validated my belief that the "base" C8 is a terrific bargain. Looks (to most) just like the Z06 (with a different emblem on the rear hatch) and, if optioned right, can be close to half the price of the Z06. I bought a Hypersonic Gray 2022 non-Z51 2LT Coupe (with both tops) which stickered at $80K. I love it. And I can drive it around and everyone knows it's "new" Corvette, but hardly anyone knows it is not the Z06! All this talk about the Z06 just gets me more looks.

[@bravofighter]

No doubt, the C8 is a fantastic car. It’s a great value and preforms REALLY well for what you’d pay for it. That being said, I’m not a corvette man because I’m not a 65 year old retiree with inadequacy issues….much like the Raptor owners a few years ago. Most of these will never cross 90 mph, and will never burn through a set of tires. They’ll be a “1/12 in this color and option package. Will trade for a 4 wheeler with plow” in 20 years.

[@9MagTV]

Put Circular Taillights On The Rear Of The Z06 & It Might Be A Game Changer

[@thiosemicarbizidebenzoylal2921]

One is visibly wider even on camera. Nobody can talk the value down on the C8 series because they are better CARS than their European counterparts by a good measure. With graphics the C8 series looks like HYPERCARS, and I'm not joking.

[@juanpatino5063]

Well, it’s technically a trim. It’s a sub category under the C8 model, it’s not meant to be completely different from the stingray. The C7 and C7Z look very similar especially when you’re looking at a C7 GS. Now when it comes to the ZR-1 I believe it’ll have more noticeable differences.

[@JasonALyons]

I love the fact when the mid-engine corvette hit the market everyone was cheering for an fairly affordable sports car with some super car feel... that didn't age well in the least.

[@BRAINFxck10]

The base models will depreciate, let’s see how they age

[@highoctaneadventure]

The Z06 looks completely different in stance…noticeably wider. The fronts are different. The side scoops are noticeably bigger. The reason for the price difference is the bespoke, most powerful naturally aspirated engine ever made. Start the car, and everyone will hear the price difference. Also, ask any non car person/enthusiast if they can tell the difference between a GT3 and a base 911 and a base 3 Series and M Series car and they would never think either is more expensive than the other. Us enthusiasts will keep being impressed and thankful for seeing them on the road.

[@philsalley3278]

Agree with the argument that there is just not enough visual difference. For most potential buyers the price difference after markups and tax will be over $100,000 and the Z06 is simply not worth that premium plus since so few buyers ever track their Corvettes, the Z06 is even less of a logical choice. Even then how many buyers have the driving skills to take advantage of the Z51 much less a Z06 and lets face it, for most C8 buyers, the Z51 option is a waste of money. Have always been a 3LT buyer but just picked up a new C8 (3LT, HTC) to replace my 2020 coupe but when you upgrade to the GT2 seats on a 2LT, it is very hard to see the difference other than the stitching on the center of the steering wheel on a 3LT.

[@ninjapants7688]

What a boring thing to be upset over, originally the Z06 was a package spec you asked for for more performance on your regular car and a few more additions. That's literally what they've done. Been this way since the C5. The C8 is the base, the Z06 is the racing/track focused varient.

[@JoshsWorld]

😎 I want to buy a Z06 and modify it to look like a regular Stingray.. just to grind your gears

[@sjfk1306]

The non Z06 looks better with the front grill being black/carbon.

[@MavidG]

The side vent is the biggest tell isn’t it?

[@yungkidnf]

Rear bumper. But the side is the next tell. I can tell the difference basically with my eyes closed.

[@Luke-cb3ly]

I didn't think it was a fair comparison. your Z06 is the same color as the stingray and has virtually no options that would make it easier to distinguish. the difference between the two is enormous. Z06 is wider, it has a different air intake, different front and rear bumper, exhaust outlets in the middle, it has carbon ceramic brakes, carbon fiber wheels etc... now I bet if you put a black GT3 touring next to a black Carrera GTS no one but a Porsche fan will know the difference.

[@JJ-ix4zr]

I need those kind of issues in my life 😂

[@_baller]

Ok yeah I see the difference.. Corvette: vroom Z06: rips the microphone apart lol

[@mikewatch1487]

I like the front of the base C8 better. I’m backing out on a Z06 at Ciocca deposit. Plus now there is a loud ticking noise from the Z06 engine. GM says stay tuned for fix. Oh boy can’t wait.

[@breakupgoogle]

Rob, a ferrari these days doesnt lose tons of value and isnt a repair nightmare like when we were kids saying "why would u buy that?". now, oc we would buy a huracan as they are bulletproof and a perfect daily. oc a porche turbo has always been the perfect daily. We still say why would u buy a rolls for $500k thats worth $150k 2 years later.

[@455LT1]

I do not agree. A base 911 does not look drastically different than a Turbo 4S despite the huge price difference.

[@dillonvillon]

ahh, nothing beats the standard v8 sound lol

[@LIG242]

Agreed. Idk why people droll over the Z06/Ferrari FPC sound lol

[@mathiou5626]

Why should trim levels and ground effects be more important than the mechanical side? In the Z06 you get an amazing engine and better handling. Exterior you can customize yourself. But mechanical it is more difficult and expensive

[@CTCFOfficial]

Hello friends!

[@Goose-it]

People are buying the z06 just for the sound

[@farrell44]

Lmao 😂 facts!

[@JBsC6]

Interesting perspective Rob. Not sure I agree yet that’s to be expected. The Porsche gt3 touring looks very similiar to the various 911s. The average person wouldn’t notice the difference between the two 911s. I tend to think the z06 offers a visceral driving experience that transcends the c8 stingray. Under 100 mph that’s about the reason so many don’t want to spend the extra 30 or 40 grand as yours doesn’t have Mrc shocks and z51 option tuned suspension etc Thanks for posting up. I enjoyed your insights as corvette material is always fun. People Love Corvettes as they are so affordable and everyone can buy a new or used one instead of a cuv. That’s why John Q. Public love the corvette and I’m two years in as my daily driver. Everyday two years on even today I had a nice gentleman at the Northvale shop rite as I was walking in gushing over the c8. He was elderly and quite enthusiastic in his praise and that did as you say out a smile on my face . Well wishes and approachable is why the corvette c8 for people. That has its charm too.

[@FelixPfaltermann]

In today’s episode, Mr. Spaghetti compares his two newest jars of vodka sauce.

[@mboydatlanta1]

I agree with your review. I've had my C8 since 2020 and when I first got it it was like a unicorn because no one was used to seeing it. Now they are becoming very common. I'm seeing them everywhere now. I have an order in for a Z06. Currently accepted by GM but waiting for an allocation. But I'm doubting my purchase less and less with the more C8s I see. I also wish the Z06 had more of a differential look to it for the money you are spending. Seeing 2 C8 going down the interstate, one being a C8 and the other a Z06 C8, you aren't going to be able to tell the difference. And that is disappointing.

[@eustahijelifetips]

There is a difference, and there are many, one should be blind not to see them

[@mboydatlanta1]

@Josip Purgar at the Z06 reveal back In 2022 my red torch red C8 was parked next to the torch red C8 Z06 and people thought my Z51 C8 was the Z06. 🤷 Lots of blind people there I guess

[@eustahijelifetips]

@@mboydatlanta1 im sorry, im from europe, i should not comment on this, but yeah, the car might be wider in the back, might have a different bumper, might have a different rear end, i dont know, they should have made it front engine, now that is when people would see the difference!

[@y2kazan868]

Mr.Spaghetti is the Bill Burr of automotive KZbin.

[@XDG_97X]

They need room for the zr1. I think they could have been more brave in the interior but exterior wise with the zl1 pack is more than enough

[@bryansimmons4020]

Z06 has never been crazy different from its stingray or Grand Sport brothers. Need to wait for the c8 zr1 for that.

[@y2kazan868]

I like how the Z06 isn’t draped with the black accents.

[@jowga]

They look correctly different GM did exactly what they wanted do no missed opportunity. Stop it

[@TheJuice401]

hold both paddles in at same time you can rev past 3000.....

[@ivanboy7893]

I mean z06 always looks pretty similar to normal corvette, like c5 same other then trunk , c6 just little wider in rear and c7 was so busy at first glance can’t tell

[@TamagoHead]

Carbon wheels on a rental is a bad idea.

[@swift__]

Z06 is $120-$140k max… anything higher then that your better off “saving” a few more grand to get into something higher tiered. ( todays market,economy are completely F’ed and have prices skewed af🤷🏼‍♂️ ) imho

[@codyc7092]

I partially agree with you on your cars but I think without the wing the Z06 looks like it’s missing something. The back end looks naked. I think dead on from the front they are to similar. and the vertical parts of the grill should be carbon or black to show off the grills better and make a bigger statement. I love the wishbone on the Z06 over the boomerang on the stingray. It looks way more aggressive.

[@Shawncombat]

Its just like the other Z06 from years past. Amazing car!!!!

[@_baller]

I don't see how they "missed an opportunity", they are selling the cars, and they got you to buy one....what opportunity did they miss? lol, you mean they shoulda spent more on design to get the same sales? lol...that's a bad business decision now isn't it

[@stupidusername7559]

Today Mr Spaghetti compares his meatballs to see which makes the best pasta

[@marvingalvez7878]

I was waiting for this comment 😂

[@1MiketheMechanic]

The domestics have always been that way. Some badging and small cosmetic changes can get you grandma's 1969 Camaro, Mustang or Charger or it can get you some pretty cool musclecars. Put grandma's 1969 Camaro six cylinder next to a 1969 COPO ZL1 Camaro and see if you can tell the difference.

[@Mohammed_AliA]

The sound of the Z06 engine is so good. However, a Corvette shouldn't sound like a European car.

[@igorgrebenevich428]

If they didn't make it so the parts were interchangeable then the cost to produce them would be much higher.

[@Keckegenkai]

the C8 looks much better than the Z06. Much sleeker, lower to the ground, etc..

[@sniperlif3]

A C8 and Z06 are supposed to be the same, but a trim upgrade. Its not a ZR1. In the past you referred to the car as a "C6 Z06", you even said it in the video. The Z06 is a C8 with Z06 trim. Any trim is just like this, sure you have cars that run limited editions (the ones you showed), but these are two mass produced cars, not limited runs like the ones you talked about early in the video. I don't know why you are expecting special appearance from a mass produced item. It is not like there is only going to be 1,000 Z06's made. Then you compared this to cars in the same price, like the GT3. The Z06 smokes a GT3 in basically every comparison. It even does amazing against the GT3 RS.

[@mmamath1817]

I think the problem is how you have it specked out

[@SwapBlogRU]

The $114K base price of the Z06 is actually pretty crazy when you think about it. The cost of a new Ferrari 360 back in the day was about $130K, I think. And that's in early 2000's dollars. We seem to have come pretty far.

[@daniely30]

Thanks Ferreti for heads up. Almost blew out my eardrums

[@videopyc]

GM made a super car, and price the C8 to compete against the Porsche 911 series. Have they succeeded? Yes. Rob’s comparaison to a Ferrari or a to Lamborghini is not fair, which shows that Italian made cars are overpriced.

[@alvaro1728]

Thanks for the video. I can tell those two apart right away but that's because I'm a sports car fan so I know what to look for. Great point about people who can't afford high end cars thinking they can get the same result by modding cheaper cars. When you finally get the chance to drive the high end cars cars, you start to understand what the fuzz is about.

[@snakeskinner2]

C4zr-1....... same issue. They have been doing it for decades

[@Pmtd1234]

I am on a dealer Z06 list. I am buying the Z06 to get back to driving open track days at Road Atlanta. Most of us buying the car for track use could care less if an automotive neophyte cannot tell the difference between the Z06 and the Stingray.

[@shouldabeenaborted]

Id go with the c7 zr1. Thats a sick looking car.

[@iVTECInside]

I get it. I'm sure there are going to be enough people like myself that like understated though. It wouldn't dissuade me at all.

[@gsmith207]

ok not kiddin i would’ve bet a hundoe the Z06 was on the left. wow and I am a Vette head. guess I aint now. great vid RF btw GM did this with the ZR1 in the 90’s…

[@philsalley3278]

One of the problems with the Ferrari or Lambo argument is neither of these are cars you can enjoy on a regular basis. They no longer offer much if any additional performance so more about image than anything else.

[@chijen2010]

I have a 2023 C8 Stingray Convertible, but I optioned it to have more carbon fiber and be nicer looking than either of Rob’s plain black interior cars (Z06 included). That said, my Ferrari’s interior is about 10 times higher quality than my Corvette, which is nicer than both of Rob’s cars. The difference is like Louis Vuitton vs Michael Kors. You have to be blind if you can’t tell. There is definitely something very special about a Lambo or a Ferrari. It’s definitely not just the name or image. Rob is absolutely right. The Z06 isn’t even close to being a $180,000 car and no way it can compete with Ferrari on the whole package. You get what you pay for and a Corvette is still Michael Kors. It’s Nice enough, but it ain’t LV. Women with Michael Kors that think it’s as good as real Louis Vuitton are only fooling themselves. Same here.

[@skippynj1979]

I'll agree to disagree.. I can tell the difference from a mile away.. and I'm getting a c8 stingray right now for budget... but I'm about the sleeper culture.. all my performance builds I made them so no one could tell what was there.

[@darrenr67]

It this guy out of his mind? The Z06 has a bespoke motor.

[@nickadams3803]

You didn’t get zo7 package nor carbon wheels

[@sixty4pilot]

I think you’re also forgetting we still have TWO more higher performance model C8s still coming! Those will prob be a lot more aggressive!

[@deserteagle10]

"You don't get excited anymore"...Believe me, I never got excited. It's a chevy.

[@skorpinox]

I love how when you review a car, if we could call it that, it is always a POV that could make or brake a sale.

[@Goose-it]

I think GM is smart, keeping them look similar will sell more base model, and in the end the Corvette sales will break down to 50+ bases sold for every z06

[@Tential1]

10:45 when he hits you in the feels, but you know he right

[@jackthereefer1]

I think Chevrolet is selling every Z06 they make. Who cares if other people know if it is a Z06? Most people could care less what car you drive. Just put some Z06 stickers on the car is you want people to know it.

[@toddlong2785]

I rented a C8 for a day to check in out. I'll have to say, driving an automatic was not enjoyable. I prefer a stick shift to really feel the full experience of driving. I only felt it was a really cool car when I was not inside but outside looking at it. That was enough to decide I don't want one.

[@NickJosephCars]

wow having them together at first I didn't know which was which until you pointed it out, I agree with what you said

[@MichaelErman]

I kinda want to rent the mini truck to put delta airline badges on it and pretend like I stole it. Maybe but a baggage cart behind as well :-)

[@harrirauhanummi]

C8 looks great already so I don`t think it needs big changes in appearence. The Z06 engine alone justifies the price difference.

[@Freeze06]

Completely agree with everything you said. They do a better job in the difference between an SS and a ZL1, why not do the same or better on the more expensive car?

[@AdjustToLive]

The 90k one looks smaller and more aero ie. faster than the 130k one 👀

[@jimoconnor8331]

These cars only share roof panels. Every other panel is different. They look different enough, more different than any other z06 vs base in history

[@qwerty2590]

The black trim and roof on the convertible looks better than the Z06... to me.

[@panacheautomotive4298]

Sure you can get a GT3 or Huracan Evo but then you'll get your butt kicked every time a Z06 pulls up next to you lol

[@TriCountyMotorsEastman]

The z06 is clearly wider than the base as I look at them

[@_baller]

For what it's worth I don't think a new Ferrari is worth 300 grand...sooo

[@404_username_no_bueno]

I could be completely wrong, as I don’t own a corvette myself, but I’m pretty sure on Hoovie’s video you can static rev in park if you hold down both shift paddles at once.

[@brendanwells7605]

I can see how it would bug people that they look the same. Maybe it's just me, but this isn't a big deal. The people who know what they're looking at can differentiate them pretty easily. These cars are nice though and speak for themselves. You're going to impress people when driving them. Of course, there will always be fanboys of certain other brands and that's cool too.

[@John.Christopher]

There's a huge difference, the Z06 looks way better than the base C8. They also look distinctly different and have huge design differences.

[@BodegaMo]

I'm glad you fired the thumbnail editor!

[@michaelmielnicki9501]

Don't sound test the cars in "Touring" mode. At least "Sport" mode. Also pull both paddles in to rev it as high as you want in the Z06.

[@ForeverDownByLaw]

Nonsense. The looks of the new Z06 will not hurt it in the slightest re: long term importance and respect. I guess if you were looking for more of a poser car more differentiation would be important to you, but back in '67 there was very little difference visually between the base model and the 427. Frankly I'm glad it didn't go too "Lambo" to please the gold chain set.

[@Low_Quality_Entertainment]

I sure thought I knew which was which at the very first of the video but I was wrong! The regular C8 looks more aggressive from the front so I thought it was the Z06! 😆

[@SmOgER10]

Me too. I thought the one to the right was more "civilized" with uniform bumper color so it can't be the Z06! 😂

[@Low_Quality_Entertainment]

Yeah, I was looking at the bumper and the roof height.

[@venom5809]

The best way to tell the Z06 from the C8 is the intake by the door, Z06 is a Y, it's way too similar to the C8.

[@univalve1]

i understand what Rob is trying to say, but the Z06 is a trim package, literally, a trim package. they should have put the engine in front, that would have made it different.

[@Fedgery007]

The back of the Z06 looks awful with those stacked black pieces on both sides.

[@jonathanng138]

Non American here, a Lamborghini and Ferrari's are everywhere here but I've never seen a C8 in my entire life before hence it being the same price as a Lambo and a Ferrari here in my country

[@elliotniznik6989]

The body is nearly 4 inches wider than stingray.

[@tsrfastsaab]

it sounds like a problem you have. You really think that this lack of differentiation is going to prevent someone from buying one? I could not care less that it looks like a standard C8. I want it for how it drives. not looks