Supports you've got to try in 7.35c

Good and fun supports for 7.35c. I'll make a more detailed tier list after more time has passed.
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In-Game Guides:
Mirana - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Batrider - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Enigma - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Techies - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Venomancer - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Chen - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Enchantress - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Leshrac - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Terrorblade - steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Timestamps:
0:00 - Mirana
3:04 - Batrider
5:38 - Enigma
9:42 - Techies
12:37 - Venomancer
16:17 - Chen
17:13 - Enchantress
18:03 - Leshrac
22:33 - Terrorblade
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[@pcxxy]

As scientist who's worked in R&D, I give you my stamp of approval for researching new support tech 💯

[@mmortal8183]

Embrace the chaos. ET 5, TB 4, Dire Arc Warden, Doom 4, Chen core.

[@Whatumeme]

I’m glad you included Lesh and Terrorblade for all those people bashing speeed for his terror lesh sup videos he put out. I love your content and never miss a video but I also appreciate the other creators work too. I hate the toxicity. Anyways, excellent work and I can’t wait to try some of these builds!

[@ZQuixotix]

People are always slow with new ideas. Pros and cons to being creative. You might get to be ahead of the curve and play something really good, but you'll likely face toxicity and reports by people who don't see the value until after it's been popularized. Sometimes we try stuff and it really does just suck though haha

[@Whatumeme]

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[@adamhero459]

Lesh is fine. Lesh was always a support, just not a very good one due to needing tons of mana and the need of certain costly items to make him able to do much more than a slow and stun that usually needs a set up to be consistent. So he has to be a core to get the gold he needs to be able to be a threat in the game. Tb on the other hand….. not really. I think of him like support sniper. They are annoying on lane. But after that they are bad. Well. Unless you end up taking tons of farm and then are basically a core… but you are support…. You need to have a team that allows you to farm like you need to so you can do more than basically a sunder to save an ally latter in the game. So it’s very dependant on what heroes your allies have.

[@marksun4292]

@@adamhero459 Im using lesh right now with just typical support item you'll be fine and really contribute alot. I don't really see tb and sniper on the same tier because sniper really needs an aganims and can take lane creeps away from your carry. TB support can take camps and lane creeps that are difficult for the carry and actually pressure the map. Sniper 1st skill is a slow cd compare to TB illusion so TB just have that constant pushing ability and farming. Can provide map pressure while sniper just sits out when the game is tough. Never tried TB but you can probably even just go drums and hit so hard with meta, while a sniper would be so desperate to build an aganims. Imagine a tough game with 2k gold as a support but ur a sniper heading for aganims with blade alacrity and ogre axe, compare that to a TB with a drums. Sniper can really fall of as a support so I was never been a fan of it. TB to me seems reasonable with the skills it has, and honestly I don't think sniper is good in lane. Unlike tb with his 1st.

[@shrodler]

had a Game as Disrutor with a Troll against tb+NS. Felt like we get cheesed from min1, because we dont have magic dmg and both of them have so much armor. But if we had sth like luna+cm, i´m pretty sure we would have crushed it.

[@zackmiller1196]

HEYY I was so surprised that you were the analyst co caster for dream league. HOPE YOU GET MORE GIGS IN THE FUTURE. Can't wait for the enchantress guide. I have been doing really well in lane especially with power spike at level 3, with level 2 enchant. Getting big creep like centaur and wildwing, it's so easy to bully both pos 4 and pos 3. However, in some games, I face 2 issues. 1. some carries find that I'm too greedy as pos 5, buying mage slayer/pike/vlads. Even though, it's like a "offense is also the best defence". 2. Some of my team doesn't know how to play the tempo with enchantress like going for early tower pushes. Or maybe Im going about this wrongly. Also curious how Chen/enchantress farms without looking too greedy

[@trigestigro4707]

I did a bunch of tb support, it works perfectly, both 4 and 5. Never been called a clown, cuz everyone is muted by default

[@Jeff-yj1jn]

Video suggestion: itemization against common carries... finding it is helpful to make item suggestions for my carries who seem to buy the same thing regardless of who we play against. It is hard to keep track of good counter items, but maybe organizing carries by type and then listing the top counter item to buy (and why) would be very helpful.

[@jeffreyvauxhall3260]

POS 5 Terroblade, lmao my pubs are not gonna like this one

[@oscartorralba14]

Oh god, -25 Mmr games incoming 😂

[@DespyMitlu]

I've tried it in legend. It's pretty good but ya even if you win lane you get reported on game loss so use at own risk.

[@DoctorAJSOB]

It’s like you didn’t read the soft support at the top of the terrorblade guide.

[@bingchillingsimp5811]

@@DoctorAJSOB well I still prefer support that can stun

[@suntzu6122]

Its so fun!!! And good! Lol

[@icata12345]

leshrac support, this is wild, although seems like a chore to explain to my pos1, that this heroes actually work as a support, specially for terrorblade lmao

[@ichangiz]

Great video 💯

[@ult9516]

ive mained tb for this patch as pos 1 and have a pretty solid winrate overall but the only change ive made to my gameplay was q, e, max w, then max q instead of meta works out really well for fights and meta doesnt get that much better it feels as u level it anymore and u only commit it for towers anyway pre 25 min or get kitted.

[@plopher]

you should make the in game guides for supports, i would follow all of them

[@eduardgeler2904]

As a Mirana onetrick im happy to see her mentioned here. Been playing dota for only 4 month, but this hero took me from Herold to Archon 3 so far. Mirana is very flexible with her itembuild, just build anything that makes sense for the game. People are sleeping on Mirana shard, 4X 170 dmg, securing a second starstorm for extra 225 dmg per target, 1 extra leap charge and slowing enemys for safer arrow hits. It should not be underestimated. *IF* farming is necassary, shard allows to oneshot waves or camps with starstorm. Also ALT-casting allowes for proper spacing and positioning, which is a ton harder without. Shard is a 15 min rush for me. Rod is quite common for me to build, making arrow hits safe to land, tho i have to admit will not work in higher mmr due to proper forcestaffing or disspelling. Other then that beginner Miranas should play with rod. So far i was very disappionted by the gibberish i have seen Mirana players do on my games.

[@orangiki]

I've been playing Enigma 5 recently, the worst part is when the other team blind picks Rubick or Silencer and your game it's already ruined

[@maxpayne1819]

When you pick enigma make sure you ban FIRST Rub and then Silencer... silencer is much more easier to deal with

[@atypicaloddity]

Veno's plague wards are also awesome at preventing blinks from flankers if you've set up before the fight

[@JasperXoR]

Played Lesh after SPEED suggested him and was really fun and surprisingly effective. Hadn't played him since 2020!

[@prime.y.archer4520]

Please try storm position 4. Just imagine having aghs on storm would be sick especially on teamfights :)

[@JasonRennie]

For Enchant, your ability recs are the opposite of what dotabuff win rates suggest (esp. +7.6% win for +10 creep armor). Thoughts?

[@jack-bg5oq]

Curious about your thoughts on Lion/Venge/NP all still being “really good”. D2PT showing they all took a significant hit post patch. Where as we see different heroes boasting stronger win rates (Pugna/undying/WW). Do you mean they’re still good in lower pubs/pro matches? I don’t think they’re trash, but there seems to be other supports really thriving in the first week post patch.

[@ItsMeHaroldo]

Nature 4 feel highly nerfed right know. IDK man they mostly been grifers in my games. Haven't played him myself yet, may give a shot latter on

[@ailluinthethyra6139]

I've won 4 out of 5 games as pos 4 Leshrac so it's actually good, only lost the first game because cores dropped off late game and my team didn't end early. Greaves, euls & lvl 3 item elven tunic makes you very tanky & fast together with lvl 15 & 20 pulse nova talents .

[@AlexMercer-rd7vt]

hey man, please do a pos 4 guide for hoodwink

[@AspieGG]

I've been trying out Terror 4 on Turbo a few months ago

[@nicholasrolison926]

The terrorblade intro was funny af. I'm ready to int my behavior/communication score for TB & Lesh.

[@outlawx720]

I like to go arrow 1 as pos 5 to steal the big creep used by enemy to pull (instead of blocking creep camp with sentry)

[@lincoln43267]

good play if you already picked up arrow eg you pair it with a stun for a play on the bounty rune spawn but if you do that you arent applying pressure so its not the ideal where a lvl starstorm can be used twice a wave and if you land it can do 131 magic dmg and 75 to others in its aoe better to help the carry if you want to be competitive

[@ikthranithul6000]

Mirana has been treating me very well this patch, haven't touched them in around 4 months but once i decided to give them a chance after all my usual picks were banned or taken i realized how versatile and oppressive they can be. Got 4 straight mvps from the support positions which to be honest is rare for me as I've only been mvp in around 5% of my games. The max stun arrow feels so strong when playing against it and honestly takes little effort to land if you position yourself well, which is also very easy to do with moonlight shadow and leap. Weirdly enough I don't find myself maxing out starstorm first or even second most of the time but that might just be my middling mmr mindset showing :D leap + shard go brrrrrr Veno has also been a great pick depending on what core I have in lane, so easy to dominate your lane depending on the match up. Wish I played him last patch before he took some nerfs, he really is just a good time no matter if you are winning or losing.

[@eduardgeler2904]

Mirana OTP here playing for 4 months dota now. Mirana is a very cool hero. I think you miss out a lot but not maxing or taking startstorm, but i respect to skip starstorm at all. In the end Mirana is way to mana hungry to trade with full rotation, and playing solo arrow and leap works perfectly fine imo. People are sleeping on the shard, her leap feels really bad without the ALT cast. Slow is underated for extra cc / arrow hitting and the extra secured startstorm slaps hard. In the end 170 dmg per leap + 75% of starstorm (225 at max rank).

[@ikthranithul6000]

@@eduardgeler2904 Ill always put a point into starstorm by level 3 but most of the time i find myself neglecting it until i have shard, of course it depends on who i am laning with and if it is going well, if the other team is chain feeding i will stay in lane longer (rotations are inevitable and i must protect my core) and usually end up putting more points into starstorm. Also in slower more farm oriented games i will invest more into starstorm to clear small camps while stacking around the map Buying shard at 15 minutes is what makes it possible i guess as the double starstorm proc lets you clear waves without many levels into starstorm and the reduced cooldown on leap lets you position so much more aggressively as you will always have max charges going into team fights I have a fairly greedy style of supporting usually buying mana boots then a support item like cape, urn or force then shard around 15 minutes since no one ever does tormentor early in my games if at all but i guess i started playing at the right time as the meta is becoming greedier and greedier every day

[@notyouraverageguy2265]

how about armlet tb. any thoughts?

[@ilazaodla916]

Fun Fact : Before you post this video. I already play Terroblade as support AND WITH THE SAME BUILD !! And Vlads or aura items is real good for Terrorblade since his illusion can also give the Aura to teammates so Terrorblade no need to go front war zone and can sunder teammates safely. Either aether lens to Ethereal or Dagger into aghanim is real good for late game. And of course he can be a rich and Tanky support in late game

[@ilazaodla916]

Also the playstyle idea for support terrorblade is Giving as much vision and aura needed in Fight using its illusion. and maybe disrupt some dagger initiator enemies

[@capj1347]

Sad SD didn't make the list.

[@tomwilsonn]

Veno kinda sucks without the arcanes you burn mana so fast and it never comes back. It’s almost mandatory imo

[@tomato2699]

i played pos4 terrorblade during wraithpact patch which was years ago, people blamed me even though I won my lane. And look where we are now

[@spartantebow]

as techies do NOT skip tazer. ONE POINT is 4.8 sec of Disarm it is disgusting how well u trade with it.

[@suntzu6122]

Best part is letting u combo with blast off into disarm plus 3 mines.

[@12MYCRYL17]

Me who supports and cores every single hero since dota1: SMILES

[@acubanonthetrail8192]

I’m spamming tb pos 4(7w-4L) and razor pos 5 (6W-3L) and my behavior score dropped from 12k to 10k. So good luck with picks ppl don’t like.

[@bruhbruh4635]

Man Batrider is so strong in Ancient bracket I felt bored spamming it

[@rezkiy95]

I played 80 games of LD 4 last patch with 56% wr Gonna give tb a shot, see if it works / fun

[@kenpachizaza1179]

what about alc 4 ?

[@duhagumrukcu]

Lost to a pos 5 tb but i blame my sniper mid for dying 3 times and abandoning about 7 min into the game

[@ElCordones]

pubs don't need encouragement to pick non-target stuns, they struggle enough as it is :)

[@rayoscrost6062]

it took me this long to realize you pronounce "other" as "ether" and was confused as hell

[@lincoln43267]

dont build tb into carry he is strong as a support reflection is a amazing skill like a budget ds ult with a slow and sunder is amazing for giving your core back health i think stick urn tranquils drum are core but you can further enhance reflection with shard or go aghs for abit of counter initiation otherwise just focus on making that stronger forcestaff to position or items to support the core hex/lotus/solar etc vlads seem very situational and stats arent worth it as by the time the illusion has the dmg and tankiness to do anything the game is over works well with heros like drow that can capitalise and benefit on reflection

[@TheGlenn8]

Ability Draft players already know that TB's Q is stupidly strong. Too bad that people in ranked pubs will hate TB 5 on principle.

[@greenpacman]

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[@ambiguous6821]

No special mention for my boi void with max dilation? Also need to mention ogre, ive been playing for 2 months now(not new to the game) and I have a 28 - 8 record on the magi (just a mere 5k flat here folks)

[@awesomegamer7442]

i think hood deserv a spot, so good right now

[@Kole777]

Nerfed a bit with the mageslayer change but still good.

[@sneakychicken]

Hood is a better 4 or even 2 than a 5 I think

[@ZQuixotix]

She's still good! This isn't a comprehensive list, just a couple top/fun supports I wanted to highlight for now

[@awesomegamer7442]

@@ZQuixotixohh ok, i understand now, thanks for the respond sir

[@craze921]

what makes a good vlads game?

[@lincoln43267]

vlads biggest strength currently is the bonus to base damage where hero's with high base damage benefit from ie agi morphling or drow or tiny (lvl 12 morph with tread manta does approx 190 damage vlads adds approx 34damage to that for 2200gold) early game the armr was great especially on illusions as it was +4 which is really good if your armr is between -6 to 6 it has a larger impact but now the armr aura is +2 lifesteal is also decent on hero's that are taking damage during a fight while also constantly attacking so heros that avoid dmg like sniper or fv lifesteal is weaker then on something like luna gyro slark tiny so basically to boost high base dmg cores daamage or for early game pushes to boost everyones armr

[@seb9345]

Hey Z, what are your thoughts on PA 4??

[@Ycpunkrock]

I've been having success with viper 4 in high legend. Just in case you wanted to loss more behavior score.

[@andrewzimmerman6059]

I got crushed by a pos 4 viper recently; I mean, if it’s risky as a core with the max Qbuild, why not do max Q build to help your core win the lane and just not care if you fall off?

[@laiaa9178]

after the bloodstone nerf lesh no longer a viable core but no one can beat lesh on lvl 1 with edict skip stun and full 2nd and 3rd skills cos stun is so unrealiable on high mmr 1 sec slow and edict is enough to make 2 of ur enemy laner out of the game

[@faitorone3262]

Lmao. I already encountered that pos5 TB in one of my pubgame. Ofcourse we lost 🤣

[@PokeToki]

wub wub wub

[@drewwonderling8666]

OMG PLEASE I PRAY DONT TELL PEOPLE UNDER 5K TO PLAY MIRANA 😂😭

[@eduardgeler2904]

I respect that commend as a Archon 3 Mirana OTP. In my 4 months i´ve been playing Dota i never seen a singel good Mirana in my games. I dont think Mirana is hard, heck you can buy rod as first item and land any arrow.

[@Elexowaty]

Best pick is Trent, Morgan Treeman js the way, slow, heal +mega amor. Op right now

[@Riquized]

TB 3 is the truth

[@gvulture1277]

I was going to start commenting that I was worried this would promote trolly picks but this video is great, really helps give a decent start to players understanding the picks and what they are strong at. Thank you ZQuixotix you are truly the best at helping Dota players learn every week.

[@mariobautista8294]

i pick TB and lesh won both games but my teammates spam dont watch anymore youtube haha

[@stevedaguy9639]

I have 12k behavior score rn i can do terror 4 later xddd

[@4ktrash4lyf]

wasnt support tb and clinkz embarrassingly trash at dreamleague?

[@thomasmartins32]

I wanted to try Tiny, picked him and from minute 0 got flamed by my Peruvian teammates

[@jaytrox4599]

i spam toni when i get pos 4, that hero is nuts tbh as long as you know how to toss and your lane partner understands how the toss works aka gets close enough and uses their spells, especially stuns, while they are still flying right on top of them. With blink + force staff youre quite hard to kill and can toss anyone who oversteps just a tiny bit (pun intended)

[@dmidhordenko2676]

it's really strong, keep picking it. Ahsan on KZbin has a great guide for tiny 4

[@rickyrico900]

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