SUPREME COMMANDER EPIC #92 - Average Joes - Custom 7v7 on Arracis

[@soggybottomboys1922]

"I'm betting that I'm not seeing one somewhere" says Gyle as his mouse hovers over what he's looking for

[@vincenttatin9279]

That could be frustrating, but I find it quite hilarious 😂 Actually, for the next time he looks for something, Gyle should try the middle of the screen and the mouse 😂

[@exp-eri-mental]

Standard

[@Puschit1]

At this point he can call it an deliberate act to entertain us.

[@AfF3lix]

AfFelix here, yeah it was a huge miscalculation, the enemy ACU wasnt on the Radar. So sad 😑 had the 2nd highest eco at that time and then i missplayed hugely.😅 Proud to be in a cast. Well casted as always And in 🇩🇪 Affe means monkey so its a composite joke word with my name Felix :D

[@AleBober]

"A thousand yard stare on these troops coming home." Small things like this are the reason I love your replays.

[@Lucas-xj3wp]

Always a good day when Gyle uploads

[@exp-eri-mental]

Perpetual novax is possibly one of the most frustrating strats to play against. But also one of the best strats to have when a team mate on your side does it haha

[@VoidmasterCZ]

It's like artillery with 100% accuracy and target area vision. I hate it.

[@ZazeH]

Novax is an odd choice for this Map. Novax is only really good if u play on a relatively open map so its way harder to defend against. U have to basically shield all ur mexes. But on a map like this, is arty the way to go.

[@x3kj705]

@@ZazeH it worked because they did react so late to it, and instead tried to strong arm with air power. That single Arty from the almost got the 5 novaxes (shields where constantly blicking on low). Also, average joes...

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@x3kj705 Mass arty to counter mass novax is basically using one cancer to beat another. Both strats aren't fun to deal with, or watch imo.

[@bozy99]

Or cybran and their damn rocket bots :/

[@octaviorojo-morales3470]

At 31:52 you extend the map far enough that you can see mesaja being pummeled from a group of t2 gunships

[@nickcrispino6575]

He completely missed it happen. For real Gyle this would be a perfect time for an edit to show us the action.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

I’m not entirely sure what Mesaj accomplished during this entire fight, so it’s perfectly understandable that his death was entirely off Gyle’s radar.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

It’s never the first nuke landing in an undefended base that surprises me in these replays. It’s the second one landing in an undefended base that amazes me.

[@ДиванныйВоин-щ4п]

My favorite casts - hordes of Joe and no full share. 😁

[@Puschit1]

Mee too. This way the game was on the edge to almost the end. A successful snipe on Noobdragon would have changed the game entirely. It gives you strategic targets and if you take out a player, it counts (whereas, in high rated full share games, you actually make the enemy stronger when you take out the lowest players).

[@IIISentorIII]

I'lle recommend using WD-40 on the mouse wheel and if it breaks use Military Grade Duct Tape to fix it. That's how we keep our floaty floaty naughty naughty force operational for years 😁

[@radscorpion8]

when full share is off the game just seems so much better. Its so unfair, to go through all the work to eject a commander from the game through clever tactics or surprise attacks, but then nothing happens as all his resources go to an even stronger player who can use them even more effectively against you. There has to be some punishment for killing someone, full share makes it seem like there is no punishment, especially if the good players are left which is usually the case

[@myrandarose2883]

Oof! Muffinman with a double gun, heavy shield com and then never uses it in anger - it hurts us to see it!

[@skyvipers]

@28:35 - You should squirt / spray canned cheese into your mouse wheel to stop the squeak, mice love cheese.

[@TrueFireMessiah]

🤣

[@chesh05]

Ah yes. When someone asks for genuine advice on the internet what they should do about a situation, we make a "funny" joke instead!

[@skyvipers]

@@chesh05 44 people disagree with you (45 including me lol). The internet also exists so Gyle could have easily found out the best fix, he opened the door for sarcasm mate.

[@chesh05]

@@skyvipers He asked for advice. He didn't open the door... that's just an excuse you use to try and justify it. God damn, you make a post anywhere nowadays and morons like you make jokes 95% of the time instead of giving a genuine answer. Fuck off.

[@skyvipers]

​@@chesh05 Insults aren't arguments, sorry you got upset over some random comment posted 5 months ago, like I said, 45 people found the joke funny, sorry you have a giant telephone pole up your butt and are cranky 🙏

[@monastery4090]

"Crushing them like the worms they are..." - GyleCast on Engineers reclaiming GC LOL

[@rybread3981]

Just wanna say, you got me into FaF. Played a few games tonight, so more how's please, i wanna scope the competition hah

[@SirSamVimesSA]

I really don't understand why Saint tried to telesnipe the comm instead of just lasering down the Novax bank. He could have landed south outside of point defence range and removed the thing that was destorying his team.

[@exp-eri-mental]

Yeah that was a prime example of a telesuicide. He coulda tele'd in at the back out of range of the ravs.

[@jarrod752]

Volcano's are balanced out by having a tiny effective range. You have to pepper a lot of them to have decent coverage if you're trying to build anything else except TMD.

[@Puschit1]

They also don't save your shields. Which is ok if the enemy has only MMLs but if the attacker mixes missiles with arty shells, this will become problematic. In this cases he failed to move his mobile T3 artys into place in time. If he had, that "plateau plateau" would have been dust within second.

[@teratokomi8731]

Ive seen the best of the best play very turtly before. Turtling is definitely not a noob tactic. Everyone does it, if its the best way to win. Ive noticed that the GC arms will suck up building too. Kinda funny to watch that happen.

[@musizlover2008]

I'm always a fan of the turtling tactic, defend your position and build up your strength before going in for the kill.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

It's fine if they actually build up their strength to actually go out and fight the enemy. But killing the enemy from across the map isn't fun gameplay imo, nor is it even fun to watch.

[@x3kj705]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn is it more fun to watch them build 30 experimentals and keep them at their base, never pushing, and then pushing once? Not really different.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@x3kj705 More fun than this? I'd say so yeah. It also allows the other side to actually to fight said push on their terms, instead of just being pummeled from across the map. I'd take that over this anytime.

[@PrinceSilvermane]

I'm surprised more people don't use engineers to support shields. Especially when you have a huge bank of Kennels or Hives.

[@ILexiconI]

I think it uses up quite a bit of energy, so you're risking a power lock

[@AfF3lix]

It costs mass now it was masssive op

[@totaldramagamer5521]

"Red get back to base!" Red's base, literally 1 minute later, succumbs to nuclear destruction.

[@Zankaroo]

Red died to Broadswords judging from the minimap.

[@ZazeH]

Ui Mod suggestion for u gyle: Penguins Icon Mod, it highlights SMD, Nukes, TMls and acus. So u could see them better even while zoomed out

[@UnknownKnower2]

Yes, please gyle.

[@Edin524]

Love the average Joes matches!! Thank you for featuring a game I played in. Oh so very close to having an anti nuke to save me 😅

[@PetersaberHD]

"I'm betting that I'm not seeing it" - literally hovering your mouse over it :P

[@DeitritusFillamore]

I want to get into this community and have watched a ton of your videos, but it seems like a steep learning curve to get into the game. So much to pay attention to.

[@exp-eri-mental]

It's steep but stick at it. Start learning positions by playing team games on astro and gap. Or you could Jump into matchmaking but don't be disheartened if you get smashed. If you have a mate who's also relatively new, playing 1v1s is a good way to learn too. And another but of advice, play with every faction! It's essential to learn what each factions strengths and weaknesses are.

[@Puschit1]

It's steep but we are all in the same boat and it's NOT a game that is overrun with lots of old good players, they are actually the exception. You can have lots of fun with us regular schmucks, so don't be afraid.

[@Malroth00Returns]

for your squeaky mouse wheel, disassemble it carefully then clean the ball and the interior wheels with isopropal alcohol and allow everything to dry before reassembly.

[@Bryan-T]

Team1 lost when they didn't attack in unison with their strats.

[@edisontrent618]

Heck, literally one more strat on that first pass would've done it. ~800hp left, and they do 3,000 damage per bomb.

[@ryanthompson525]

I know, to be honest it was my first game using strats that much usually as air I never get strats on time so I focus on ASF and then air experimental. But yeah I was just giving my strats to my teammates to be more useful

[@edisontrent618]

@@ryanthompson525 Yeah, if you ever have two or more people building T3 air, it's always a good idea to consolidate similar units (have one person control all the ASFs, another have the bombers/gunships) and make sure to do actual military things, like set coordinated times for strikes, for example: "Okay, I've got 20 Strats ready and more building, send half your ASFs towards when the game timer hits 46:20, and I'll follow with my strats and then you send the other half of your ASFs to guard them." and make sure they acknowledge it and are ready on their end. Though, if the map itself is large enough that ASFs can take too long to prevent a gunship/bomber snipe, the main air player should sometimes split off small chunks (10-20) of ASFs to give to players to keep hovering near they're commanders, especially ones with gun coms on the front lines.

[@TheGreaterGrog]

South won on overall economics, IMO. North could have picked something more directly impactful than the experimentals they did, and something that works quicker than Novax sats.

[@dralord1307]

You can use wd40 on your mouse wheel just dont soak it too heavily and it should be fine. Just a nice short 1/2 second squirt. Though tbh you would probably be better off cleaning it first. If you dont want to take it apart then get an old tooth brush and get some of the bristle down inside and scrub it around

[@Kenabukanyo]

What a beautiful game. I love it. The sound effects made me fall in love with it. Especially those of the tier 3 cybran artillery tanks.

[@lightsflashnow]

Lets fucking gooooo!!! Gyle cast Hype!!

[@jupp9999]

Awesome it's a Gyle Cast...

[@Glenmoto12]

Message got ‘brooswoods’ on him from yellow just b4 the first nuke launched.

[@Tornadosurfer45]

Long time watcher, first time commenter (that i can remmebrah( your elderly tambour vibrates my ear bones pleasantly. It excites me to see you have a new upload. Needs a paper towel or sock.

[@Tornadosurfer45]

My apologies to Mrs. Gyle. And also congratulations.

[@EskimoJoe492]

This was extremely entertaining to watch. Love it.

[@Zemtex47]

Yes! we want more! :D I recently downloaded FAF what a gem of an RTS.

[@SpicyFiur]

The lack of Anti Air and PD in the main bases...

[@Nisd123]

I love the trash talk in chat, you don't see that in a pro's game.

[@simonsilence]

You know what would be sick an AI that creates resonably unbalanced maps, that would force players to develop different starts if energy or mass is capped at their specific location. That would really show how deep they know their respective faction and how to game it out.

[@DiplomacyKing1234567]

I’m with the brief WD-40 squirt. Like use a a tip to apply it or something. Get it really down in that rod joint and spin it around

[@rsigibson]

Volcanos are fine - Aeon have other weaknesses to compensate

[@chesh05]

WD-40 is a cleaning agent, not a lubricant. If your mouse wheel is squeaky, you want a lubricant. I have no idea if there is a specific type of lubricant that works with electronics though.

[@jamham69]

"is there any anti-nuke or has it been novax'd? our survey says its been novax'd" boom

[@RX782GP03]

3am bout to goto bed, oh gyle posted? better sit here for another hour

[@2Sor2Fig]

I like new intro graphic. Nothing wrong with the old one, but after just seeing them back to back, I think you should keep the new one.

[@chasev5854]

What a great cast, i was yelling at the screen the last half of it! :)

[@Nyxcha]

47:00 ARE YOU KIDING ME. THAT CLOSE. DAAAAYTUUUUMMMMMM

[@HarakMolova]

WD40 stops all squeaking, so yes. Definitely spray it. One way or another... the squeak will stop.

[@JLH111176]

I think team 1 built to much offensive upgrades to ACU then not attack with them and waste a lot of resources ?

[@grovsey3656]

The blue Aeon for sure. Noobs always do that. Total waste.

[@JLH111176]

@@grovsey3656 was that double gun heavy shield hide in base no attack ?

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

At 32:15 Masaja69 was killed by gunships from NoobDragon. Edit: Finished the cast, and I have to repeat what I said in the last game - I really don't like how this game allows turtlers to beat their opponents without even leaving the comfort of their shells. Arty/Novax spam is lame, both unfun to play against and unfun to watch. Nukes are okay mainly cos their counterplay (anti-nukes) is so much more effective. But all the T3 and T4 artillery, as well as the Novax Center, are just cancer to see at work imo. I actually support RTS games allowing turtling to be an effective strategy, so I'm certainly not coming at this from the Starcraft perspective. However turtling should be in order to build up an overwhelming force that then goes out and actually ENGAGES with the enemy. You know, actual fighting. It should never be about sitting in your base and pummeling your enemy to death with long-range weapons. Passive victory is hollow victory imo, even if if requires heavy eco-ing.

[@Johnson09641]

Dragoon*

[@exp-eri-mental]

This is only really apparent for noob/average games. Pro games are very different and usually just constant waves of units pushing against each other.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

@@exp-eri-mental Many pro games involve them using their teammates as ablative armor to allow them to build up this unassailable late game strategy. Doubly so if it's a mixed ability game i.e. with joes as well. The pros know how strong the strat is, they just don't get to use it much in 1v1 with each other. When they can, they often do.

[@UnknownKnower2]

I have to admit I used to agree with what youre saying. I especially didn't like DualGap for this reason. But allow me to make a counter-argument: While SupCom games in casts are often great dramatic struggles, but they're more often then not resolved by T4 artillery. And there is justification to this both from the perspective of (1) principles of real warfare and (2) of game design. (1) Its often the case in real warfare as well, that a lot of the tactics revolve around not what will be the most dramatic, but the most powerful technology on the field. Since the dawn of time, warfare technology has progressed along a central defining theme: kill your enemy from greater and greater range without putting yourself in danger. Thus, while the sword has always been a symbol of warfare and is fun to watch and duel but almost all historians agree that the sword was a lot inferior in terms of battlefield performance in history in comparison to the king of ancient warfare: spears. Why? Because spears are cheap to manufacture and exemplify the theme of war technology; stab your opponent from a range while staying safe. Spears, meanwhile, although they had their merits against swords, but in terms of Kill-to-death ratio, often lost against archers. In the 18th century, when muskets were invented, the range of warfare increased further and guns made obsolete all spears and bows and swords became ceremonial as they were outranged. By the start of the 19th century, napoleanic era, only cavalry could charge a musket position and soon even that became obsolete and synonymous with futility (think "charge of the light brigade" in 1854 Crimean War) because guns were capable of mowing down cavalry. Guns were following the philosophy of kill your enemy from further without putting yourself in danger established by spears. Later, in 18th-19th century the invention of cannons to the battlefield slowly took over. Soon enough, artillery became the decisive factor in both land and naval combat. As artillery improved, Napoleonic tactics were utterly obsolete and by the time of WW1 in 1914, nothing except static trench warfare was possible. Trenches were built in fear of...you guessed it... artillery. By the time of WW2 in 1939, the maturation of air power fulfilled the role of artillery but with more precision and flexibility and... you guessed it, range. In fact, air power was used, among other things, to hunt enemy artillery and mobile artillery (tanks). Although artillery was still used, air power inflicted more damage and deaths (the bombings of london, the bombings of Germany, the bombings of Japan are famous examples) killed more people than artillery ever did. In naval combat, the artillery of the battleship was made utterly obsolete by airplanes launched from carriers or land bases, which scored orders of magnitude more kills. Another technology which had good KD ratios was submarines. And then... at the end of WW2, we invented the nuclear bomb. By the 1960s, air power armed with nuclear bombs were the only weapon that mattered. By the 1970s-1980s, ICBMs meant that no near-peer superpowers could engage in direct warfare anymore because nuclear missles were the ultimate spears; kill enemy from long range without putting yourself in danger (except that when everyone had nukes... all warfare was obsolete and would be instantly game over). The modern era (1980-2020) is littered with alliances armed to the teeth with nukes and some nations trying to get nukes to be relevant at the table (Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Pakistan, India, etc.). Only countries which have defense threats while having (1) no alliances and (2) no nuclear umbrella of their own like Ukraine or Syria get attacked anymore. Thus, it isn't that the game SupCom is flawed. But that this is an intrinsic nature of battlefield technology advancement; "kill enemy from far away while not putting yourself in danger" is just... effective... and any tech tree in any game will run into this fact. They can hide it to make it more fun but this is the reality. T4 Arty, if it existed, genuinely would fuck any warring parties. Even today, the airspaces of many countries are far too lined with SAMs to make bombing impossible, just like in SupCom. Even today, the borders of some states are so lined with defenses that blitzkrieg conquests are very impractical. Tech limitations mean SMDs dont exist in the real-world. But if they did, they would be spammed just like they are spammed in SupCom. In such a case, if T4 Artillery and weaponized Satellites with lasers existed, they would be the logical break of this stalemate. The second argument I guess is the design philosophy behind this game; do you portray war technology accurately or do you focus on gameplay? The devs seem to have decided and thats what makes supcom so realistic and so much more epic and story-able and castable than other strategy.... is that in a game of SupCom, you're gate-ing in to a planet and racing your economy towards game enders, trying to survive as you do so. The first one to reach game enders generally wins. You can snipe your opponent through other means before your economy levels up enough but the overwhelming reality of this war is that Commanders are fighting for their life in a hectic struggle to reach this critical mass. And once they do, they have the means to finish opposition off. Its like a race to a finish line with a gun at the end of it but youre allowed to sabotage your enemies while racing and send attacks and obstacles your way. But woe to the team that forgets that there's a gun at the finish line.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

​@@UnknownKnower2 There's a reason that even air combat games mostly don't revolve around BVR (Beyond Visual Range) air fights, even when using modern planes, despite that modern air combat is pretty much entirely BVR. Instead they focus on dogfights, which are far more enjoyable. Similarly ship combat games don't tend to be all about aircraft carriers. And in RTS games turtling is often a very discouraged strategy to begin with, never mind beating your enemy from within your turtle shell. Some, like Starcraft, barely have the tools to turtle at all. SupCom does, and that's great. But winning the game from such a position without ever moving out is straying away from turtling simply being viable towards it being annoying. It's like wonder victory or score victory in other RTS games, but those game modes barely get played at all for a reason. The few people going into those games know what the contest is gonna be about, and chose to play that mode. Games are for fun. And let's be clear here - SupCom isn't a real war simulator. Never mind space lasers and anti-nukes, even many of its basic robots are hardly likely. Your economy is infinite. Your troops have infinite ammo. There's only a very basic form of intelligence warfare. And why in god's name would you ever make an entire military operation hinge on the life of one commander? And so on and so forth. SupCom is very much still a game. Real warfare, both now and likely in the future as well, is nothing like this, and likely won't be.

[@vm200]

WE NEED MORE CASTS

[@Gauntlet1212]

No sandworms in the lowlands.... damn shame.

[@ryanthompson525]

Not gonna lie I've had two close games like this and been riddled with novax. The pain is unreal when they finally get you.

[@alleycatsphinx]

Omg, spittin fire tonight.

[@onkeldunkel665]

WD40 and a bit of gaffer tape, nothing it won't fix, go for it Gyle.

[@RS-ts7vn]

The big KACHING! is back 😃😃

[@liam8026]

Awesome battles🤩

[@kerghan2232]

Looks like red died to yellow's gunships.

[@bificommander7472]

"Scoopy Scoopy massy massy" Looking to fill a second bingo card?

[@ryanthompson525]

Commented a lot on this already, but you got me into this game gyle I enjoy it. It's really fun. My ranking is not 1100 btw I've played less than 150 games it's too high. If you want to play with a none rager, realistic, who trys to play for the team and well I'll do my best, ask me cos I'm here people!

[@BigChungus-zg6zw]

I am a simple man. Whoever builds the first Novax, is the one I hope wins.

[@YouCountSheep]

I wonder why emperor was not telesniping the novax, they had the scrying tool on it they knew there was no pd around it.

[@MoistJas]

Yeah buddy

[@Stratobrick]

this was a good one.

[@TheTabCrawler]

yes please on the oil! But only once you have a new mouse

[@horizon7690]

Very nice commendary =)

[@Mrc-waH]

Q. Would I ruin my mouse wheel if I squirt wd40 into it? A. Probably. Q. Should I still do it anyway? Q. Absolutely 🤣🤣

[@UnknownKnower2]

That was like 15 satellites. Well done

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

Ugh!

[@charliewhite479]

I love watching your videos gyle :D been wanting to play for so long and will be able to soon, I just had a thought aswell, what if a discord server was made so everyone here could talk about the game more and could make multilayer easier, is is there a app already for this?

[@CndBcn]

Today was a good day.

[@Stratovariuification]

12 novax satellites at the end there

[@TheRev213]

13

[@TheRev213]

and 14th just made in base

[@greatoverlordchikonmaster7226]

I feel like that telemazer could have been used when NoobDragon was on 800 healthj

[@nathanmack448]

rock played well!

[@nahiag]

I know it's a joes game but wouldn't it make more sense going after unprotected mexes with those novaxes? You could just shift click a bunch of mexes with 1-2 of them and it would seriously hamper the enemy economy. Mexes are rarely protected by shields and would be easy to pick off. I know that there could be more vulnerable targets but it would make more sense then trying to chew through shields.

[@Vitan89]

Or T3 Pgens at the edge of the shields. You also get a death explosion bonus to cause more damage. Then switch to depleted shields. rinse and repeat.

[@nahiag]

@@Vitan89 yes, t3 pgen, could also cause a powerstall and thus disable the shields. I was more thinking of going for the unprotected targets first. 😀

[@Vitan89]

@@nahiag Right. a single Novax doesn't have the damage to go after shielded targets anyway. Once you have more than 2, you can go for the energy grid and ACUs

[@jolantad7971]

I luved UKs HMI ' user interface'. Things go right press the green bttn plz. Things go wrong press red btton immdtly. Not sure/req assistance. Press yllw/orange.

[@nasenbein6924]

Good game, quite the nail biter at the end

[@Lunak-89]

Why Team 1 doesnt build more Shield generators earlier?

[@redjacc7581]

Gyle Gyle

[@lelieutenant7386]

28:50 Do it, just do it!

[@GreySectoid]

Upgrade to 4k please. Otherwise great cast again.

[@thezaz]

Don't use WD-40. Use a tiny dab of silicone lubrication.

[@greatoverlordchikonmaster7226]

Is there an actual standard for "This Seasons" colour or is it just random

[@jolantad7971]

Why they ended shooting it in dec n releasing november?

[@grndiesel]

Was Elon Musk playing in this game? Maybe we should call that move, the "Starlink Play".

[@GemuMasta98]

Ughh.... Mesaja and Muffin made the game veeeery uneven. 31:11 and I don't see them doing almost anything, and they let enemy team group up and attack the middle in a pooooowerful blow.

[@GemuMasta98]

Ok and a CTRL K from Mesaja minute later... oh. What an unfortunate player to have in a team. Btw. TZAR is one of the worst experimentals change my mind xd Easy to scoop mass after killing it, no long range, not that much HP after all, very vurnerable to ground AA fire. I have a feeling that Cybran Reaper Gunship is better somehow, but still probably better to focus on Strat Bombers instead/ build nukes/whatever. You (who is reading it now) can send me Gyle video where someone used TZAR and it actually won the game (that wasn't already won)

[@CmdrDaniel]

@@GemuMasta98 He didn't cntrl K, gunships got him. And team 2 had a lot of static AA on the left side, not the right side :/

[@Mikrowelliger]

Binyot why u pleh robot geem???? Why not pleh Schütt ????

[@JohnHafner]

Cleanse it with fire... I mean Isopropyl Alcohol. Wheel prob just has gunk in it.

[@noreavad]

GGGGYYYYYLLLLEEE!!!!

[@idme8295]

Omg why did they sit on their czars for so long...

[@CaptainHeadcrab]

Squirt WD40 into your mousewheel, but get a new one first if you can

[@ryanthompson525]

No fucking way it's the game I played!!!! I made it on to gyle haha noice

[@AfF3lix]

Same thought right now

[@TheSamWise7]

I think I counted 12 satellites. lol

[@inszel]

no willow....? :(

[@Bryan-T]

RyanT :)

[@stevenborgogna]

Mouse wheel? What is this, 1997? Get yourself and optical mouse and call it a day! That said, it's easily fixed. Take the wheel out and clean the two rollers. They are probably covered in crap. No WD40 needed, just wipe the crap off with a napkin or something.

[@x3kj705]

not a roller.. he meant middle mouse wheel.

[@stevenborgogna]

@@x3kj705 Lol I'm dumb.

[@accursedcursive4935]

Honestly UEF-heavy teams are really frustrating to watch in casts, because they're often able to win just by spamming Fatboy and Novax and it just sucks watching a team that played a more skillful game lose because of UEF-biased balancing.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

It's not just UEF, but long-range artillery (as well as the Novax) in general. It promotes an entirely passive way to play the game, never needing to leave your base even after you've turtled and built up your strength. Just pummel their bases from inside your shell.

[@eeebee6166]

It's not "biased balancing", it's how the faction was built lol. Cybrans have tele snipe and stealth, Aeon have GCs, mercy's, Paragons, etc, and Seraphim have double nuke, chickens, etc. You're literally arguing that spamming experimentals is only unfair for 1 faction lol.

[@dave.004]

You will not stop the UEF!

[@rileyosteen6470]

Thing about fatboys is they’re extremely fragile. In the pro games you see them shatter under pressure, but in these joe games, the players are usually a lot less confident about dives, i think.

[@GemuMasta98]

But in this very video... if pink Ryan and Emperor joined forces, they could have easiely had Com who had those 4 Novax. But yeee, Novax is nasty, you loose time to build shields, trying to stop Novacs, but more and more come into play. I think that there should be (choose one): 1. Limit of Novacs - max 3 2. Way to DESTROY the sattelite and disable it for 3-5 minutes, using Nuclear stratosphere explosion. You know, shoot the sky, destroy the sattelites. This would make nukes even more important, even when enemy team has anti-nukes

[@johnandrew3350]

So what is the best faction for this game?

[@GyleCast]

Depends on your play style really. UEF is probably the most forgiving faction for beginners. More HP, and strong defensive capabilities.

[@badAim2]

12 novax hmm... How could this game end???

[@CGDW2]

12 Novax near the end there. Absolutely disgusting.

[@fowlmouth824]

Penetrating fluid isn't lubricating oil. Not a wise plan!