Supreme Court Hears Case On ‘Mandatory Repatriation Tax’ Under 2017 Tax Cuts & Jobs Act

On Tuesday, The Supreme Court heard Moore v. United States.
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[@embracethesuck1041]

Many, if not all, states tax you if you buy a vehicle EVEN IF you sell a previous vehicle in a separate transaction. You can't honestly say that this is "realized" when you hold any sale funds in preparation to purchase a replacement. Taxes have become an excuse to skim money whenever, wherever and any direction money flows.

[@Mr.Wolf89]

💯

[@societalrevival1218]

how is this really relevant my guy

[@Rain9Quinn]

Well… pre-reagonomics, maybe. Taxes on corporations (ant business) are a fraction of what they were in the 1970s…

[@Rain9Quinn]

Sure you can-income on selling personal property is’n’t relatedto how you will later use that income…

[@ludwigvonsowell5347]

@@Rain9Quinnno matter how you slice it, taxes don’t exceed 20% of GDP

[@tomgooch1422]

Everyone should keep a firm grip on the reason for this "case." The government is now spending 25% of GDP, but taxing at 18%, Historically, the nation grew to a superpower with government spending under 18%. They'll take it all if we let them.

[@ButterfatFarms]

Specifically over what years do you find that historically the average federal spending as a percent of GDP is 18%? Because from the turn of the 20th century to today it has fluctuated pretty significantly depending on what the time frame is you're looking. There are certainly times in the past that we've also spent significantly more than 18% of GDP, not just recently. Which is why over the last century the average has been about 18%. For example for the 2 decades from 1974 to about 1995 it was quite a bit higher than that avg. as well.

[@ButterfatFarms]

During that time it rose significantly, and by the beginning of the Reagan administration it was averaging between 20-23+٪, then entered a long decline throughout the Clinton administration, returning to about 18% again by the end of the Clinton admin. Then rising again to about 20% throughout the Bush administration, and finally spiking to about 25% with the onset of the Great Recession.

[@ButterfatFarms]

"Historically the nation grew to a superpower with government spending under 18%". What is your data source for that claim? You aren't even suggesting that was the average spending? Because the data I'm looking at from 1929 to 2010 federal spending as a percentage of GDP averaged 18.3%. And the only time period where it was significantly less than that was 1929 to the onset of World War II in 1941, when it spiked to over 40%, then it fell significantly below 18% from 1945 to about 1952. There was also a dip below that average in the early to late 60s but it's been at or above 18% ever since. Mostly above ranging up to 25%. During the time our nation was not a superpower is when it was historically below 18%. Much lower at times. We didn't become a superpower until we ramped that up to over 40% of GDP during World War II, and have pretty consistently spent more than 18.3% of GDP ever since.

[@enigmacrk200]

Lol i was just about to ask the same thing as the person above me but then i remembered people like you don't know the difference between a fact and stuff you just made up..

[@ButterfatFarms]

As for the government now spending 25% of GDP but taxing at an 18% rate... assuming your numbers are correct, do you really want to have that conversation about tax cuts for the wealthy that never trickle down, while inflation-adjusted wages for working-class Americans have stagnated, even gone negative, for 50 years now, a half a century. Even further reducing tax revenue. During which time the productivity of the American worker has increased dramatically, meanwhile c-suite executives compensation is way up and CEO compensation has risen 940% since 1978? Yes I agree it's unfortunate that tax revenue is insufficient relative to federal spending. It is what it is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Cogzed]

I think it would behoove the Courts & Politicians to remember WHY and HOW this Country was created. Or history is doomed to repeat. 🤨

[@TraditonalUSA]

By the will of the White Men who refused the Taxes of the Crown? The White Men who sailed across the ocean, who grew up with a history of Empires and Kings. Only to find Savages on the other side of the world, living under tent flaps with not a single Brick Building or any form of History or Writing. The Generations of White Men who sacrificed everything for their Dream of a Free Nation. Is that the history your talking about?

[@user-ni9hg4kl1o]

1776 🇺🇸

[@UniversalOpera]

Slavery?

[@TheFreeMan84]

And they will pay with their lives first.

[@user-ni9hg4kl1o]

@@UniversalOpera No. To escape the tyrannical matriarchy of England. You are very misinformed.

[@ClumsyCars]

End personhood for corporations

[@Lucky9_9]

YES! Down with Citizens United!

[@drugsdelaney2907]

This is all that matters. This is the slaveholders rebellion that’s gone global.

[@BaskingInObscurity]

It was a mistake to adopt that nomenclature in the first place. Personhood needs to be specifically, more narrowly defined, and valid non-person entities defined separately and incapable of extending human and civil rights to said entities that exist primarily for accounting and tax purposes. Corporate devices have their place, but they should never have status coequal to a person, much less share the same status. The justices here were trying to gain clarity so as NOT to have to visit types of entities and personhood here since the core issue here is about repatriation. An oblique approach to the definition of entity types is a nightmare scenario. Due to the complexity developed over history in a variety of laws and SCOTUS cases, as well as preconstitutional Common Law assumptions, the only two practical vectors to clear and different definitions of personhood and non-person entities are either (1) for either Congress or one or more states to make law differentiating between and clearly defining personhood and non-person entities, which would force the SCOTUS to review the laws and concretize the definitions, potentially changing the interpretation of many other laws and SCOTUS decisions; or (2), the far cleaner means of passing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, therein defining personhood, what entities qualify for it, as well as starting and ending conditions, if applicable. Anything short of that presents conflicts difficult for SCOTUS to resolve, at this point, because… oy. Well, many things, not the least of import being abortion and fetal status, can be at direct odds when considering extension of the same potential decision/policy toward types of corporations and other entities. We've allowed SCOTUS and politicians to acquiesce to financiers to create an impossible quagmire that they can only render MORE convoluted without starting from scratch. We must address all repercussions of clarifying the definition of personhood itself. This SCOTUS, GOP, Democratic Party, and Corporate America would resist. It's up to The People, including some unusually altruistic and humanist rich persons willing to go up against the very structures that allowed them to become and remain wealthy, to engage in direct democracy while it still exists.

[@ostlandr]

So, if your business goes under, or worse gets hit with massive lawsuits, you want to be personally responsible? Or do you only want the assets of your business seized? If you own stock in a company, do you want to be personally responsible for your share of its debts if it goes under? Corporations can't vote. However, they can be and are sued on the daily. Imagine if you were trying to file a product liability lawsuit, and your attorneys had to track down every owner of the company and sue them personally. Nobody would ever file a lawsuit. Corporations are actually democratic institutions. The shareholders elect the Board of Directors, one vote per share. The BoD then hires and fires the CEO. (In Europe, I believe the CEO is elected by the shareholders.) The problem is, stockholders aren't any better at electing their representatives than voters are. A lot of them never even bother to vote their shares. There are even "activist investors" who get control of a majority of voting shares, either by ownership or granting of proxy by shareholders, and vote in their own new BoD. Then they force whatever their agenda is on the Corporation. Sometimes it's to force the Corp to "go green" or such. Other times they want the Corp to focus on short-term profits, increase dividends, and worst case basically loot the Corp. BTW how is the stockholders of a corporation pooling their money and lobbying politicians any different from the members of a labor union or environmental group doing the same thing?

[@ranbo9390]

Taxes are about to a point where it’s not worth working why work is half your money goes to government

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

Lol do you not know what a marginal tax is? You do realize that not even billionaires are taxed at 50% yes?

[@legotechnic1314]

@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 All I know is that 55% of my paycheck is "withheld" due to the combination of federal, state, and city taxes combined.

[@williamstandish2926]

I never see roughly 18.5% of my paycheck. If I am lucky on April 15 I don't owe more (I have in the past). Except for groceries, everything I buy is between 7-10% sales taxes. So likely about 6% disappears. It is about 0.5% for gas taxes. Than there is so much if you pay for services such as phone services, electricity, or water. I am upper lower class at best, and about 1/3 of my money goes to taxes. You really think the wealthy pay that much less?

[@tonyamedsker213]

They know this and it has been intentional… leading to WHY SO MANY PEOPLE TODAY ARENT WORKING… it’s kinda a great plan IF THEY WANT TOTAL CONTROL OVER US PEASANTS!! “You will own NOTHING… & be happy.” 🤔 slowly they are chipping away at literally all of us “UNIMPORTANT PEOPLE!” It’s DUSGUSTING AND THEY ARENT GOING TO STOP UNTIL WE ARE DEAD OR CAVE IN!

[@bbcpfghs]

The amount of people who don’t know how to read the headline is genuinely concerning…over half the comments are talking about stuff that has literally zero to do with this

[@tracyholder840]

The "Do Your Own Research" crowd guaranteed read it as reparations and hovered over the N key. Stand back and stand by!

[@xavariusquest4603]

This is insane?

[@cwhit0110]

Agreed

[@jacobbohn9658]

We are literally living proof of Mike Judges movie "IDOCRACY" to change from Fiction to Non-Fiction

[@mediaaddict3997]

Repatriation and Reparations are different things google is free use it.

[@dntwrryabtit5843]

For real these comments are wild 🤣

[@chigbungus5257]

People would rather rage against an imaginary boogeyman

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

It is honestly stunning how passionate these guys are about....the wrong thing. Literacy is muy importante people

[@dodgerblue7381]

This is a very dangerous case. If they can tax you on unrealized gains, there is no incentive to hold the investment longer than a year. There would be constant rollover of investments and hurt financially the investment.

[@koltoncrane3099]

Yes and no. I’ve thought about it for a couple years. We don’t need unrealized gains. What we need are simply property taxes for equities. The federal government bought up a third of all real estate mortgages forcing assets to go sky high. This then let counties force sky taxes on properties. Is that fair? No. It lets real estate businesses borrow and refinance and get rich but it screws over the average family suffering with high taxes.

[@koltoncrane3099]

Real estate is taxed and it’s not an unrealized capital gain tax. I think we could do a property tax for equities. It’s the only tk tax giant tech companies I think. The qualified small business stock exemption already lets Cali avoid taxes. You can turn a 50 million investment in a company and sell it at 5 billion and have it be tax free. I was shocked to read that. Google bill gates evading 30 billion in taxes in Puerto Rico. We don’t need more taxes though to solve wealth inequality. We just need politicians with a set of ballzzz like the new leader in Argentina that says we’re getting rid of the central bank and this is going to be painful. That’s a real leader doing the hard thing for long term growth and peace and prosperity. If Obama didn’t bail out 2008 Wall Street we wouldn’t have the massive inequality today. Bernanke took us down a bad path and he got a Nobel prize for it. We need a Great Depression and no money printing and wealth inequality would shrink a lot

[@dodgerblue7381]

@@koltoncrane3099 Congratulations on an interesting concept. I believe that it would act as a weight on the equities price, which could provide some stability instead of gyrational swings in price. Almost like an up front load fee. The investor would know the cost upfront, instead of an unknown on the back end. While the government would just piss this property tax away like they do all of our money, it is more palatable (Maybe just Semantically) than Unrealized Gains being taxed.

[@dodgerblue7381]

@@Contrafactz Agreed, it is a slippery slope, if they open Pandora's box.

[@user-xi6dm4uv6v]

the law in question specifically relates to unrealized earnings and profits not gains

[@Nepcat4-qt5kz]

The gov wants a way to get tax money before there is income to be taxed. I would like gov services to be paid for after being provided. Also, I would like a credit for value lost due to government caused inflation, this could wipe out taxes being due.

[@2scary2see]

A very good point. Thank you.

[@rorycannon7295]

wow, many fallacies there.

[@freenow77]

you got that right Nepcat! In no way shape or form should the government receive any tax from someone who hasn't even received any income!

[@joesphreiley7757]

These people begging for free money need to get a job.

[@ubermenschen3636]

In 1918 a minority of sneaky politicians passed the Income Tax Law in a December session when certain number of opposition stayed home to celebrate the holidays. They cajoled many of the hesitant politicians into voting for the tax by pointing out the fixed nominal amount tax per year per worker. Once the government’s foot wedged open the door the government expanded the scope and amount of Income Tax. Today, the government levies the income tax based on your earning power - the more you earn, the more you pay. Under the socialist Roosevelt administration the sly socialist politicians expanded the income tax so as to claw in more money. They justified it under Keynesian economic as a necessary tool to address wealth inequality. Today, we all know the income tax coerces money from the working stiff to give to Wall St Fatcats, Too-Big-Too- Fail corporations, subsidies to dairy producers, farmers, and special interest groups, and the Military Industrial Complex. After 80 years of expanding the income tax to create the current Big Government; funding well-meaning socialist policies ; and levying the most oppressive perennial income tax upon the working class has America become better, stronger, or fairer? Today’s America has no resemblance to the 1918 America. To wit: Kensington Avenues in all major U.S. cities; smash-and-grab, theft, robbery, burglary, vandalism, rape, mass shootings, and senseless murder; millions of homeless, jobless, addicts, and mentally ill living on Skid Row; an army of paramilitary troopers disguised as community police stand guard over society; and the American working class living paycheck to paycheck because the IRS gets paid first.

[@jj4791]

The IRS gets paid on pain of imprisonment, loss of career, home, family, friends.

[@deiansalazar140]

It's ridiculous how you completely ignore the guy and cut Reaganomics and how every other country that is prosperous for the people has an income tax. You don't know what socialism even is and are brainwashed by the rhetoric of Herbert Hoover.

[@markvoelker6620]

The income tax is slavery.

[@koltoncrane3099]

It’s like this. They passed the federal reserve act after politicians made it with bankers. Then they made the IRS to force people to use their newly made currency. It was a new banking cartel with the government through taxes forcing support of it. Read the book creature from Jekyll island! It’s great.

[@superdave7241]

This whole mess is why I have all my customers pay me with goats and chickens...🤦‍♂️

[@ronaldkrikorian4712]

Give each household $5,000.000.00 after all look at ALL the MILLIONS the criminal politicians made in illegal insider trading with NO CONSEQUENCES! Greetings from Australia 🇦🇺

[@user-fr8wq1ec4j]

And all basic stuff would cost +1000% more.

[@martinz.4852]

Let's not forget how many billions of American taxpayer money has been funneled to Ukraine!

[@MFG333]

​@@martinz.4852does that make this ok?

[@sykesdenali2]

“A toddlers advice on how to destroy the global economy.”

[@ThatOpalGuy]

Or allow all of us to get the same bribes THEY GOT.

[@nikkapubess3349]

They need more tax money to send to Ukraine and Israel

[@Independent57]

I know we have some bad apples in our Supreme Court! Let us pray that it gets straightened out! This court is our final resort for us! Clarence, please go! And bring a Lido with you!

[@tonyamedsker213]

Not going to happen at this point… TOO MANY BAD APPLES EITHER IN OUR FACES… or turning a blind eye!!

[@TornadoSponge]

Unless it’s reparations from politicians’ own accounts to the average US citizen, then it’s a complete waste of space. Edit: I’m took a level in dumb and misread the title. My sentiment still stands though about the gov. paying money taken back to its citizens.

[@frenzii8332]

What reparations are you talking about? This video is about repatriation and businesses outside the United States making money on usa soil and avoiding tax.

[@heathernks8]

​@@frenzii8332lol, I came immediately to the comments to see how many ppl thought SCOTUS was hearing arguments on reparations😂

[@frenzii8332]

​@@heathernks8so many of them

[@HerculesEinstein]

@@heathernks8 people can't read. so many people under those red state education standards.

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

​@@HerculesEinsteini dont even think they cant really read. They just see what they want to be enraged at.

[@cwhit0110]

For clarification this case is not about reparations for descendants of slavery. It’s about a REPATRIATION tax. This case is about the definition of income under the 16th amendment and US tax law. The MRT required corporations to a pay a one-time tax on deferred foreign profits. These are profits that were earned by foreign subsidiaries of American businesses, but not returned home and therefore not yet subjected to U.S. taxation. In short this case is about whether or not America can impose a tax on foreign entities as part of US corporations. Gotta think about offshore tax sheltering and corporate structure. As well as realized income vs unrealized income. In this case it would be the ability to tax deferred revenues.

[@Whooopsnobodybusinessactually]

LOL I JUST KNEW WHAT THE COMMENTS WOULD BE 😂😂😂

[@jaredrosenberg4965]

love it - except by "one time" you mean "payable over 8 yrs" otherwise perfect explanation :)

[@cwhit0110]

@@Whooopsnobodybusinessactually I’m so disillusioned by American politics. The ability of Americans to have such strong views even when they have no clue what they are talking about is breathtaking. No wonder the corruption is so rampant in D.C. The question in this case is a very important one. But also boring, I mean it is accounting after all.

[@32bfhtosr46thr-mr4qo]

If they redefine what "income" means, then they're gonna extend the taxes to everyone like they always do historically.

[@cwhit0110]

@@jaredrosenberg4965 lol I guess that brings into the question of my definition of realization in my definition of one time tax. I’m not an expert so I could be wrong but one time probably means realized at one time but payable over an 8 year period. But I’m not 100% clear on how the tax works. I’m a corporate accountant not a tax accountant. Two very different things.

[@sapper931]

I swear to christ we're already taxed to death and they want to throw another one at us

[@tomsellout9576]

They literally do tax you when for dying even…

[@m.madisoncammue5619]

The slaves who worked to keep your life alive today deserve reparations as their Descendants.

[@matteom2174]

@@m.madisoncammue5619Cope harder.The time for reparations was just after the civil war. Not now

[@alanbejarano4940]

@@m.madisoncammue5619 how they kept every american alive?

[@hehheh382]

​@@m.madisoncammue5619 Brasil had way more transatlantic undocumented labor than America yet you act like America is the most systematically bigytyd country of all time why?

[@jeremywingate4950]

You have to be kidding that this is on the top of the list

[@__-nd5qi]

Taxes are the bread and butter of a government so yes it’s a high priority

[@jeremywingate4950]

@@__-nd5qi I say it's about time to stop paying taxes so we can make the GOVERMENT get right with the rest of the COUNTRY

[@martinz.4852]

​@jeremywingate4950 That would mean all Americans coming together to do that, and that's our governments biggest fear!!

[@jeremywingate4950]

@@martinz.4852 yep it sure would and it is very needed more than ever today as far as I am concerned we are all AMERICANS and should be no reason not to come together! None of the political parties REPRESENT my views and nobody else that I know anylonger they seem to be just out for themselves telling us more lies on top of more lies

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

​@@jeremywingate4950lol go ahead and do that cheif. So long as you dont use any roads, parks, or services that are funded via taxation

[@Aflacist]

As an accountant this is so painful to listen to. Why are these non experts such big decisions.

[@terminalrecluse]

This is so fascinating. I’m such a nerd listening to this. This would be a dope podcast.

[@Rejii16]

You’re a nerd for keeping up with current events? Weird generation

[@dd4850]

The government needs to give us all money again. Stat. It’s OUR MONEY

[@lindamason8168]

Yay, no taxes for police, it’s open season for criminals, no one wants to be a cop for free… get it?

[@Orangeman47]

the government has no money, they gave it all to Ukraine

[@ghoffmann821]

Based on the pattern of asking questions and interrupting after 8 seconds of the answers, my wife is qualified to be on the supreme court.

[@cozy_bella_me]

😂😂

[@mamdore]

This country has been ruined by attorneys from Ivy League schools.

[@gund89123]

Did you know why this person owed taxes in the first place? Tax reform passed by Republicans & signed by Trump. Nothing to do with lawyers.

[@esmail4me]

No reading comprehension, at least listen.

[@frenzii8332]

They are foaming at the mouth thinking they read reparations lmao. I am fully against all forms of reparations but people's ability to pay attention is completely broken.

[@leveljoe]

​@@frenzii8332 Especially when all the other comments say practically the same thing, " Its repatriation, not reparation." You just know most of them read through the comments and were like, "Oh, I'm going to look smart and repost the same thing."

[@2scary2see]

It seems to me that if congress is not restricted to taxing realized income but can deem an unrealized gain to be income in the hands of a tax payer, then there is no constitutional protection against the blatant expropriation of property without compensation. It is difficult to see how realization can be distinguished from attribution when considering the tax liability of an individual tax payer. If income is not received then it cannot be attributed without lifting the corporate veil and the corporate veil should only be lifted in instances where the corporation is used fraudulently.

[@heathernks8]

FORBES really doing the most, lol. RepaTriation is not a sexy topic, but repaRations is. Fairly certain they posted this just to read the comments and laugh!

[@phoenixshade3]

It's an IQ test. From the comment section, it looks like about 70% are failing.

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

​@@phoenixshade3us Americans are not know for being big on reading. Its sad lol

[@ajminxy]

It's really hard to argue accounting principles in front of non- accountants.

[@rmiller334]

It isn’t that they are non-accountants, it’s that they’re non-accountable.

[@howard7689]

Pretty straight forward, all taxation is theft.

[@derrikarenal3308]

The problem lays in the institutionalization (into the accounting field) the practice of complacency; whereby an accountant 'resigns' themselves into accepting that there are self-contradictions in the tax-code, from the viewpoint that 'someday, they themselves may discover and exploit a previously obscured self-contradiction (AKA loop-hole'). In other words, the Ultimate Accountant knows ALL loop-holes.

[@tonyamedsker213]

@@rmiller334best way of saying that!! For sure!!

[@ItsWeldonMedia]

Sleep tight, because the people know who you are, and who you work for. Tonight may be one fleeting moment of peace before the misery politicians cause comes back onto them ten fold

[@Loco_Jay]

The fall of Rome is coming

[@movingearth3726]

Taxed when your paid … then taxed when you spend that money that you were taxed on already taxed on reimbursements although you were taxed on that before already this state is absolutely fucked no one listens to the people anymore at all tell us where does that tax money even go

[@phoenixshade3]

It clearly doesn't go to grammar education, that much is obvious.

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

​@@phoenixshade3reading or listening to even 30 seconds of the clip is too big a task for these folk it would seem lol😂

[@prestonhanson501]

The real question hear is who are you to impose wage theft upon a unwilling population?

[@leveljoe]

Anarchy!!!

[@cozy_bella_me]

Best comment

[@cody9606]

It's time for the BS to stop, will you defend your nation, it's time

[@hughjanus5518]

What nation? Liberals have destroyed it.

[@societalrevival1218]

What are you going on about

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

​@@societalrevival1218they probably dont know that repatriation and reparations arent the same thing. This guys is raging that we want to tax offshore profits for American companies

[@ItsWeldonMedia]

THE PEOPLE WILL NEVER FALTER TO YOUR LEVEL

[@jedstewart2375]

Stop giving him the criminal IRS your money people!!!!

[@The_Ultra_Patriots_Free_Press]

If billionaires dont need to pay taxes, no one should pay taxes.

[@Kirigakurejones]

That moment that, as an RIA, you geek out over Tax Code debate 😂

[@user-xi6dm4uv6v]

and subsequently have an aneurysm reading the rest of the comments

[@mti14]

What the hell do I care? I can’t pay the electric bill.

[@lokorancher3463]

Can someone explain exactly what is going on, explain it like I’m 5 yrs old.

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

US companies avoid taxation on profits by reinvesting them in overseas subsidiaries. This case is to decide whether or not that is constitutional

[@lokorancher3463]

@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 thank you

[@cozy_bella_me]

😂😂

[@ba3691]

All the people who have never built a business and don’t understand the underlying issues, and they’re the ones deciding the rules. And those are the ones pushing the hardest to take more from those in the economy that actually build things, to give to people that want to give regulations that impose restrictions on these profitable businesses.

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

They got a bullshit tax loophole 6 years ago that the court may fix. Clutch thy pearls elsewhere

[@gund89123]

Trump is a businessman. This was the result of 2017 tax reform bill passed by Republicans & signed into law by Trump. Trump should have known better.

[@mike8099m]

It’s about time companies that moved warehouse and manufacturing to countries like China pay up

[@TheWorldsprayer]

This has nothing to do with that. This has to do with the government taxing the value of things that haven't actually paid you.

[@bubbajones5873]

Soyemayor(sp?) questions is the main reason why diversity hiring is a bad idea

[@societalrevival1218]

What relevance does this have

[@maq989]

Sotomayor (simple google search would’ve helped you there) And she’s been a federal judge in total for over 30 years. Maybe read up on her and her opinions before you call her a “diversity hire.” It reeks of ignorance and prejudice.

[@FuzzyS0X]

Okay! Before you type your comments thinking this is about you, its not. It is about corporations and the rich dodging taxes with loopholes in the tax code.

[@jennydiez8020]

If the gvrmnt can print money-- why do we pay taxes?

[@cozy_bella_me]

Control

[@drbichat5229]

Every time Hunter and Joe exchanged money they avoided taxes saying they were paying back loans between each other.

[@monicawallace-jn8tl]

Oh honey, keep throwing your faux News shade onto anything…🙄

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

Lol said without a shred of proof that didn't come from some hatemongers basement

[@frenzii8332]

Something that I hope many read about this is its for people out of country making money in the USA and is dodging tax on it. This isn't reparations. This is repatriation. There is a clear and big difference between the two terms. Someone time stamp me if I missed something in the video.

[@a1xhuncho59]

The comment section have issues with reading lol.

[@amberharrison2954]

I posted a comment about reparations and then I read your comment and deleted it. Some of us read headlines a little to quick. Lol! Glad I like to read the comment sections to.

[@Tina-Trinity]

​@@a1xhuncho59honestly, an issue with interpretation too.

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

Illiteracy is rising in the grand ole USA

[@amberharrison2954]

@@unsolicitedditkapics9722 I just glanced at the headline and didn't realize until I got to this comment that I should of checked the spelling. Not gonna lie I was scratching my head for a few minutes there.

[@agent8082]

Drop all Blackrock, Vanguard, Schwab and State Street with all of their subsidiaries from all of our investments including 401ks and all retirement, and mutal funds investments.

[@xavariusquest4603]

I am not going to be nice... REPATRIATION....THE WORD IS REPATRIATION. IT.. .IS ..NOT ...REPARATIONS. THEY DO NOT MEAN THE SAME THING.

[@leveljoe]

That has been covered. Half the comments are on reparation, and the other half are on the correction. If they couldn't read it the first time, do you think they'll get it after you post the same thing as the 100 people before you? lol

[@xavariusquest4603]

@@leveljoe oh...thanks for checking in.

[@jagone5672]

Giving money to PRETENDIANS

[@cindaanderson8655]

This is absurd!

[@RetireandGo]

I pay to leave the US, not return haha :-) Have a good day

[@philspd473]

Does this mean corporations have to pay tax on money they havnt made yet?

[@lleavell92630]

If this goes through then there is nothing a person own which cannot be expropriated by the government without compensation, which seems to violate the constitution.

[@joe-mama6451]

The tax system is bifurcated. IRC 1 and 11 are for "United States persons" and IRC 871 and 881 are for "Foreign persons".....IRC 873(b)(3) specifically says that "a taxpayer....is a national of the United States." If a person holds a USA passport, which can ONLY be issued to nationals of the United States, then one apparently has the clear and unequivocal right to make a choice as to which tax status they choose. Foreign or United States person.

[@richardclifford003]

If they are really concerned about law and the US Constitution, they should review Chauvin v Minnesota. That is if they care about fair trials FOR ALL US CITIZENS REGARDLESS OF OCCUPATION.

[@stevenhenry5267]

Ridiculous

[@societalrevival1218]

what are you going on about right now

[@societalrevival1218]

Dude murdered George Floyd on camera and went to jail for it… that seems like the justice system doing its job fine without appealing to the Supreme Court

[@blakeholmes6763]

If you look all the way back to the very problem that initiated this whole mess it becomes pretty simple. Chauvin contacted and detained/searched floyd over the alleged use of a counterfeit 20$ bill. The search was initiated in an attempt to make an arrest on drug charges. That said its not racist and its not fair and its not his job to engage in behavior like that.

[@NewLeaf-bq1rd]

Office Space: "Okaay, but, I'll burn this place down if you keep taking my stapler".

[@cottonp20]

That was some of the worst sound I've heard from a news report It was easier to hear the people in the back of the court than the judge, why wasn't there a microphone on the bench?

[@Bidenmytime]

So this is basically just trying to protect more rich people from taxes.

[@TheWorldsprayer]

No actually quite the opposite. The people who brought the case were in no way rich.

[@derrynelson4637]

@@TheWorldsprayerit’s those Idiots from Citizens United. That won a case in 2010. That Corporations Are people Too.

[@Whosthisbro]

ACTIVE NUREMBERG CODE THE PRINCIPLES IN THIS INTERNARIONAL EXECUTIVE CONTRACT IS ALLY TO OUR US CONSTITUTION. WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO NOT PAY TAXES IF OUR FUNDS ARE BEING USED FOR NEFARIOUS PURPOSES

[@rambojohn272727]

Something tells me that 6 months from now all of the dictionaries will change their definitions of "Income" and "Realized" at the behest of anonymous donors.

[@cicio7777]

You dont need to tax unrealized gains. Just remove corporate tax loopholes or require a minimum tax % for ALL corporations above a certain amount. Taxing unrealized gains Sounds like word games by desperate people

[@YoFryman]

Oh boy, *MORE TAXES!* 😤

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

I really doubt you have off shore holdings lol

[@ButterfatFarms]

Given the questioning of the justices who seemed unpersuaded this case seems to be a big nothingburger.

[@bobbiesue213]

So when the government writes their own definitions to go inside with the government athat goes against the people to me that should not be allowed .

[@ItsWeldonMedia]

PAY FOR OUR COLLEGE, PAY FOR OUR TRANSPORTATION, PAY FOR OUR HOUSING, PAY FOR OUR HEALTH, IF THESE DEMANDS ARE NOT MET WE WILL TAKE THESE FROM YOU IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR OURSELVES, MEET IT OR BEAT IT FOOLS

[@leveljoe]

Pay your way.

[@crazysquirrel9425]

Taxes if theft. You *CAN* legally stop paying taxes - nearly ALL taxes.

[@kellykat8057]

All this case is about is the wealthy not wanting to contribute anything monetarily to our country and society. They are wealthy before paying taxes (if they actually pay any at all), and they will be wealthy after they pay taxes, even if it is a "wealth tax". As far as I'm concerned, you don't get to not pay taxes; and, be allowed to have as much say in our laws and policies as they buy with their wealth; and, then be allowed to not pay workers a living wage; and, complain about crime, homelessness, inflation (that is being created by the greed of companies that the wealthy are benefitting from); and, complain about the taxes you aren't actually paying to help alleviate these problems in our country; and, then go and buy another luxury home, car, private jet, luxury mega yacht, or other play thing, and, then turn around again and complain about the taxes you should be paying but aren't paying actually. It's time we got off this greedy insane merry go round. Wealthy people just need to pay taxes like the rest of us. Full stop. And, if it's making you wealthy, then whatever it is, it has a value, & guess what it's income. If you are wealthy now, you still will be after you have to start paying taxes too. And, since you are wealthy, if you don't like it, you can hop on your mega yacht and get the hell out of the USA. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Those of us who are paying taxes shouldn't have to pay more of a percentage of our income than you wealthy folks do. It's time you rich people start paying your fair share and contribute to our society like we serfs do. VOTE BLUE! VOTE BLUE!

[@tammykletecka4116]

It's not reparation it's repatriation!

[@beastshawnee]

repatriation has multiple meanings as well.

[@myronsmith2114]

It is reparations it’s just tax based reparations and not reparations from a criminal act to make a victim whole

[@carolynklestinec8589]

Wow, and there you have it from the governments own mouthpiece of a lawyer " it has been ESTABLISHED/ GRANTED TO CONGRESS that they can TAX YOU for just EXISTING". !!!!! 😮

[@guitarlessonsbyme5426]

I'll quit paying taxes

[@Tina-Trinity]

Repatriation NOT Reperation. (Before you comment)😊

[@kaltwies]

Labor of human beings is not a commodity nor an article of commerce and shall never be so considered or construed.

[@ItsWeldonMedia]

Every person who had the opportunity to speak in this does not represent a single human being accept for those entities that hold monetary wealth.

[@ItsWeldonMedia]

They make us as citizens suffer? Then they get 100 times the suffering and pain at one time

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

Pretty sure your on an FBI list with your insane ranting at collecting taxes from US companies operating overseas

[@aleciagreenwood5787]

Repatriations, not Reparations

[@leveljoe]

That has been covered. Half the comments are on reparation, and the other half are on the correction. If they couldn't read it the first time, do you think they'll get it after you post the same thing as the 100 people before you? lol

[@jedstewart2375]

These taxes are completely unconstitutional

[@joe-mama6451]

no they are not. The Moores will lose, because they have elected the United States person contract status, and this contract provides a bundle of benefits which the taxpayer avails themself of, and as a result the Congress prescribes whatever it wants. A person has an unlimited right to contract. Even if to their detriment. This is a case of "trading ones birthright for a mess of pottage"

[@marshavoiers327]

We do not need more tax but less. There is no National debt but , we the tax payers, lining the politicians pockets or sending our hard earned money and essentials to other countries. We care for illegals as well but can not care for our own. Time for someone to truly stand up for the American people.

[@ba3691]

Tax the obvious insider trading revenue coming from congress

[@d.b.cooper6112]

Just Gov playing Wack-A-Mole with the Rich.

[@leveljoe]

Simple and accurately put. Lawyers ensuring job security.

[@a1xhuncho59]

re·pa·tri·a·tion The return of something to their own country. Repatriation Tax: Tax repatriation is the process of transferring earnings from a foreign subsidiary or branch of a U.S.-based company back to the U.S. Repatriating earnings involves paying taxes on foreign income to both the foreign country and the U.S.

[@stewiesaidthat]

Prior to the 14th Amendment, you were a state citizen first and a US citizen when you went out of the country. Tariffs and duties paid for your protection by the US government while overseas. The 14th Amendment made you a US citizen first with meant the federal government could tax you however it saw fit with the 16th Amendment. Bringing money into the country is the same as bringing in goods through customs.

[@Powerofthadolla]

we have come to the level of cutting hands off

[@SetoTargaryen]

Good to know this lawyer thinks of stock ownership as non income property.. 🤔 Now tax these MoFos under property tax.!. 😠😆

[@rleeg6744]

Taxing unrealized value would be wild. Investing in America would be pointless.

[@SetoTargaryen]

@@rleeg6744 It already is.. only those who can afford to buy tens of thousands in stock stand to make anything worthwhile from it at this point.. I.e. the top 1%.. And since those very people currently use their stock as collateral JUST LIKE THEY CAN WITH PROPERTY to take out loans to go buy things and then go take out another loan from a different bank to pay off the 1st (to a normal person that’s analogous with robbing Peter pay Paul) and never actually sell any of their shares to finance Any of that so long as the stock does well.. I honestly could care less if these people don’t like being taxed on it. They treat it like personal property, it’s taxable as personal property.. If a law came out saying that ONLY the company itself can utilize stock value to get loans and individuals couldn’t. Then we can talk about not taxing stocks until they are sold just like other tax codes already cover..

[@jamesholcombe435]

The corporation is the US remember that

[@marcibuck3829]

Not anymore it's bankrupt as of 21yr if remember correctly the yr

[@adanbernal2765]

🕊️ Who’s the government here ? Liars will not inherit the kingdom of God 🕊️ God I invite you to judge this in Jesus name only you know there hearts 🔥 🕊️

[@user-oy8xi9ch3j]

My family never owned Slaves! Why should I have to pay a slavery tax? I think you should tax the families that did own slave and split the tax proceeds to ever was a slave in the last 100 years.

[@chriskellison3468]

Didn’t we fight a war over taxes by a greedy king? To be a free nation? We have been duped by our own leaders, that we elected. There ya have it.

[@MrAndrew0511]

The court needs to enshrine these type of taxes inside the constitution without this congress would never hold corporations responsible for they foreign gains. It just to much politics between lobbyist and congress to not tax these corporations. This could be one of the largest decisions the supreme court has ever decided. The changes to this could have a generational change in the U.S. taking our GPD from now to trillions more in tax realization.

[@blaze3245]

I've got news for this world . UNTIL THE IRS PAYS ME THE MONEY THAT THEY DO OWE ME, THEY WILL NOT RECEIVE ANOTHER DIME FROM ME AND THAT IS A FCKN FACT. IF SOMEBODY COULD MAKE SURE THAT THIS MESSAGE GETS TO THE IRS , I WOULD APPRECIATE IT VERY VERY MUCH.

[@derrynelson4637]

I Bet you when it all comes Down on This Case. Thomas, Alito and other Conservative Supreme Court judges will Vote yes to. By Striking Down and Abolishing the Corporate Repatriations Taxes. But? What you know if a Ruling like that happens? Guess who is Going to foot the Tax Bill?

[@ViroVV]

Just sounds like another money grab to me.

[@charlestatum2511]

If only economic gains between two points in time can be taxed, does that mean nominal gains (including effects of inflation) or real gains (not including effects of inflation)?

[@Rain9Quinn]

Yes-get rid of personhood forcorporations!which was corporate -interest-driven politics &allowed them to get away withtoo much, while shielding thetop board members….

[@cozy_bella_me]

Omg. I understand some of this. Thankfully to my job…😂

[@terrikrucina2023]

It's "repatriation," not "reparations."

[@leveljoe]

Do you think they'll get it after you've told them the 100th time.

[@rebeccamyott7041]

Mandatory No.!!!!!

[@uglahhmane]

Just lost braincells reading these comments

[@2findourenemy11]

So I'll be taxed EVERY time I'm patriotic now? Great :(- Instead of just logging comments on here you guys should do something to stop this quackery.

[@2-old-Forthischet]

It's the new math.

[@ostlandr]

This should be a no-brainer. If the Corporation earns income, the Corporation should be taxed by the Government on that income. (Yes, the corpoate tax structure is effed up.) If any of that income gets transferred to shareholders before it's taxed by the Government, then the shareholders should get taxed on that income. Taxing somebody on income they *might* earn is no different from arresting someone for a crime they *might* commit. The fact that there are all these rules and loopholes that let the Government reach into the corporation's income and then tax the shareholders on it is total BS.

[@eoe8525]

This democratic scholars are asking for monetary as tax they should be paying my own taxes.

[@johannjohann6523]

So basically this is a lawsuit by a corporation having earnings in the U.S. but they do not believe they should pay taxes like the rest of the poor folk because they are a corporation that does business world wide. (how do you think they got poor?)

[@TheWorldsprayer]

What? No it was a lawsuit by coule who invested and then got taxed on ownership of a company they hadn't actually benefited from. The point is the government is saying "Your property's value increased by this much, so we're going to tax you as if you had sold it". Here's the thing to think about: When you buy a car and it's value depreciates by half a ssoon as you drive it offthe lot...do you get a tax BREAK because the value of your property immediately dropped?

[@gund89123]

They didn’t transfer profits to US, and profits were from other country.

[@gund89123]

@@TheWorldsprayernot really. They made income outside USA. This was the result of 2017 tax reform. They reduced corporate tax, to fill in the revenue gap caused by this Republicans wanted to collect onetime tax on income from outside US even if they didn’t transfer profits to US.

[@TheWorldsprayer]

That's the point though: They DIDNT make income. They had partial ownership of an entity that in theory grew in value, but they were never actually paid by said entity. It's exactly as if you were taxed for owning stocks because the stocks went up in value...but you never sold the stocks. @@gund89123

[@seanmambridge]

Tax exempt if this bs goes thru

[@societalrevival1218]

what are you on about

[@garywarren6285]

Trying to grasp the logic of taxing investments income potential, absent any realized income.

[@frenzii8332]

So imagine you're a united states citizen and owned 20 acres in China. Now let's say right now you don't have to pay taxes and aren't using the land. You just own it. That's all. Now imagine China has a hearing to determine if they can and should tax you for your land you own in China. That's the convo being had here.

[@unsolicitedditkapics9722]

Except they want to tax profits that were reinvested and not considered taxable. Lol they made money. They should be taxed