Supro Black Magick - #93 Doctor Guitar

In this episode I put a Supro Black Magick to its passes!
It's a great amp and I'm finding that I love the Supro Family, a lot.
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[@davidteissier5704]

FANTASTIC AMP !!! LOVE IT ! 😍🤘👍👍👍 Thanks Doctor Guitar !!!

[@leoolivero963]

Excellent demo. Thank you!

[@BuddaGuedes]

Thanks

[@simonsmith2642]

To be honest I’ve never needed anything bigger than 30w. Big stage they stick a mic on me. Small stage which is 98% of what I do, I’m getting older now and stick close to home, 15-30w cranked is what I’m after. I found this amp, and fell in love with it. What a fantastic amp, I’m not after the Jimmy Page tone. This was a good demonstration of what it is capable of. Its very versatile. It’s not a one trick pony.

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s a really great amp indeed and powerful enough

[@thankfullife7968]

Fine playing my friend. Best overall demo of this model on YT to date. I’ve have and had some pretty nice vintage to new production amps over the years but this is one I’m going to get. Keep up the great work and appreciate your time here !!

[@mrc2662]

I’ve just discovered your channel and my word, this is a godsend. Fantastic!!! What a talent and what a cool guy. Loving your work man....And I need to buy this amp.

[@BuddaGuedes]

Craig S thank you so much

[@marcmistermarc]

I love these Supro reissues. Love the tremolo on them. Supro do a pedal that combines the tremolo and distortion sound of the amps too - captures that compressed tone really well.

[@BuddaGuedes]

They are killer amps indeed.

[@davidcudlip6587]

This thing does "Swampy Rock" all day long. Loves P90's, too.

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s a great amp indeed

[@sutt5828]

Just buying the head on Saturday. Really excited. Thanks for your review man

[@BuddaGuedes]

It's a killer amp. Let me know when you have it.

[@sutt5828]

@@BuddaGuedes I will do man. I cant play like you but will try do a demo for your entertainment Haha. Cheers man

[@BuddaGuedes]

@@sutt5828 That's great!!! I'll be waiting!

[@sutt5828]

@@BuddaGuedes I will try my best Haha

[@RuiSousas]

Great demo as usual. With these supro only trying them we can know the clean headroom they have. I see most of the reviews made with them with the volume/channel at 11 before the amps begin saturating. Would that correspond to more than half of the acoustic output of this amp? TY

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s not a very loud nor a high headroom amp.

[@vanalhalen]

I really love the sound but it is loud enough to play beside a strong drummer ?

[@BuddaGuedes]

If you play it dirty it is loud enough. It’s a rock amp

[@WildBillMojo]

I just bought one of these. Absolutely amazing.

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s incredible indeed

[@WildBillMojo]

Budda Guedes Some of that compression must be the speaker, which is just magic (pardon the pun). I tried the amp into an EV speaker and a Marshall cab with Greenbacks and it’s not got the same sweetness or compression to it. I’m going to have to use a sound shield in rehearsals ‘cos this thing just comes alive when maxed out.

[@thorwulfx1]

And that part around 18 minutes where you begin playing with the tremolo really was magic. (Or Magick, maybe.)

[@BuddaGuedes]

It's a killer amp!!!!

[@marjeziorny924]

Great demo, magic amp!

[@BuddaGuedes]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@TheYMCA1980]

Hi there! What do you think about the black magic reverb version head + cabinet of this amp ? What’s the difference? Master volume?

[@BuddaGuedes]

No difference. You just have it separate

[@scottm3775]

Really fantastic playing and demo!! If you had to pick between the Supro Black Magick and Supro Dual Tone which would you prefer? Thanks 🙏

[@BuddaGuedes]

I don’t know the dual tone!!!!

[@scottm3775]

@@BuddaGuedes No worries!

[@BuddaGuedes]

🙏

[@brandonkeller478]

Bought this amp because of you!

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s a killer amp

[@CarlyonProduction]

I heard the newer version of this and I thought the bass and treble tone stack lost some of the magic of the single ‘time’ knob Do you have any opinions on this?

[@BuddaGuedes]

I haven’t played the new one

[@vintagepipesnightmares]

Great one man !!

[@BuddaGuedes]

Thanks a lot

[@paulcowart3174]

You should do an episode on FX loops I use an Xotic EP boost in my clean channel loop and it gives my clean tone a little extra something and makes my dirt pedals react better and don't have to stack two up front Happy Holidays Budda

[@BuddaGuedes]

That’s a great ideia. I don’t use fx loop though, but I’ve used it in the past

[@thorwulfx1]

What do you think about the new versions coming with a master volume? Do you think that helps their usability in places where you can't play super loud, or do you think they've diluted that vintage "thing" with its inclusion.

[@BuddaGuedes]

The master volume might help you to get the amp Distortion at lower levels. I don’t think it changes the vintage vibe of it. You can always set the master at max, and it’s as if it’s off

[@royorbit]

Hey Budda, I’m looking to buy the Supro tremoverb ,,, is it loud enough for small clubs with a drummer full band situation?

[@BuddaGuedes]

Hey there. It’s loud but not clean. If you’re overdriving the amp is great, but if you want clean tone it’s not enough

[@royorbit]

Budda Guedes so would the Black Magick be a better fit? To get both spectrums ..

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s so a dirty amp. The only supro with enough headroom I’ve played is the royal reverb

[@brightfalls6788]

57 Tweed, 65 Black, Master series JMP... which of these 3 amps is the Black Magic’s tone closest to? I really want a Tweed Deluxe, but don’t wanna spend $2,000, so I’m looking for alternatives.

[@BuddaGuedes]

I think the black magick is in the middle of a fender and a Marshall. So it sounds closer to a tweed!! But it’s very unique!!!

[@brightfalls6788]

Budda Guedes It is very Plexi-ish. But it does seem to get the “breathy” cardboard ripping type crunch as a cranked tweed. If anything, it’s more versatile for the price point than the current Tweed options Fender offers. Might get one.

[@BuddaGuedes]

I really love it! It’s Led Zeppelin tone!!!

[@markmorrell3494]

Hello Budda, I am a new subscriber. Great video by the way and very informative. I am looking to pick up a Supro or two as I am selling a couple of amps to purchase them, I am curios, what is the box on top of the Vox head? Is it an attenuator?

[@BuddaGuedes]

Hey!!! Welcome to the family! Supro amps are my favorite!!!! As for the box it’s an amp di

[@jimioconnor8039]

Can you plug the page tele into the black magick n do a little zep n blues and some chilli peppers? I herd frusciante used supros and you should totaly get a sundragon the standard version will be available by November but its gonna be like $3k

[@BuddaGuedes]

Hey thanks for the suggestion.

[@offset_red]

Hey Budda, I've really enjoyed your Supro reviews! I wanted to ask, out of all of the ones you've reviewed, which is your favorite?

[@BuddaGuedes]

Heretical Zero I have to say the tremoverb because of the Reverb and tremolo. But they are all great and similiar

[@offset_red]

That's my favorite as well! I just managed to pick one up for crazy cheap. Very excited to have this amp back in my arsenal. I sold it once and really regretted it. Thank you for taking the time to respond, you just earned another sub! Keep up the great work!

[@jollygoodtime9197]

Getting this amp today for a killer deal locally. Can't wait. Not even a great player at all, but will love to just play anyway.

[@BuddaGuedes]

I just got the reverb version now. Can’t wait to play it

[@jollygoodtime9197]

@@BuddaGuedes I'm actually thinking of selling this locally and getting a used reverb version myself. Master volume with bass/treble knobs on a supro? Yes please!

[@jollygoodtime9197]

@@BuddaGuedes Also let me know how much you like it better, if its worth the upgrade.

[@BuddaGuedes]

Eh! Eh

[@BuddaGuedes]

I’ll make an episode on it for sure

[@aintnothinbutdablues]

Thinking about a Supro 1610RT, have you tried it? Is it appropriate for recording and Home use?

[@BuddaGuedes]

NothinButDaBlues I’ve never played it. I’m sorry

[@stuartmastersmusic]

NothinButDaBlues The Comet is a superb amp. I have a Tremoverb, too and will always go to the Comet for home use. Even on 6 watt mode, it does need to get damn loud to get breakup but it’s a beauty.

[@alexandreboeing23]

Parabéns pelo vídeo, este amplificador é muito legal. Budda, você é um grande conhecedor do Fender Blues Junior, tens algumas dicas de como fazer o BJ chegar nesse som estilo Jimmy Page? Pode ser por meio de EQ, pedais, etc. Entendo que são amplificadores diferentes, mas quero ter esta "carta na manga" para utilizar em algumas gigs. Abraço!

[@BuddaGuedes]

Bom dia: Não é uma coisa simples devido à arquitectura do amp. Mas normalmente o som do Jimmy Page é muito mais agudo e brilhante do que normalmente se pensaria. O Hudson broadcast seria um dos pedias que mais facilmente transformaria o amp num Supro. Telecaster e um treble booster ou até mesmo um Tube Screamer com o tone bem alto.

[@alexandreboeing23]

Obrigado pela resposta!

[@jimioconnor8039]

Does it really nail the page tone?

[@BuddaGuedes]

As close as you can get. But I think that's true to all supro line of amps. Of Course only Page can get that tone!!!

[@jimioconnor8039]

@@BuddaGuedes true cant be page unless your the man himself but you know what i mean lol. Im thinking of geting this supro amp the vlack magick but maybe the reverb version maybe do you think the reverb or the original black magick? Also ive been debating on one of thr black magick or the marshall 2525c silver jubilee combo can you give me your advice avout which to get ? Does a supro amp sound like a fender or do they have there own sound ? Tks keep up the good work i like the channel

[@BuddaGuedes]

@@jimioconnor8039 Hey there. The supro doesn't sound like a fender. It distorts very quickly and is a lot more compressed and less bass. It's closer to a plexi marshall, bright and nasty. The silver Jubillee is a modern amp, with a tighter low end and modern distortion. It's a great amp nontheless, but they are very different. I love both so it's hard. If you go for the Black Magick with reverb it's probably more versatile. And for playing at home the supro will give you better quiet tones. Hope it helped

[@jimioconnor8039]

Yes it does help where i live theres not one for me to try so ive been watching reviews online and yours were the best i must add so thanks for that by the way. Im leaning more toward the supro i figure if i get the black magick i can still get a catalinbread DLS or a catalinbread RAH and have that amp in a box tone to go with it. The pedals from what ive seen sound good. Do you have any experience with them? Any suggestions on fuzz pedals? I like the tone benders like page used but there super expensive and im just a student right now i looked at the whampler velvet fuz seemed cool and i seen a greenish blue fuz on your channel that was cool too. Last question will the black magick sound different than the black magick reverb bc the different "upgrades"? Thanks again for taking your time out to answer back to me. Any suggestions on how to get better at playing like what scales to focus on and such anyway keep up the good work bro your killin it and if you can make another video with the black magick and what do you think of the sundragon amp?

[@BuddaGuedes]

@@jimioconnor8039 Hey there. As for Fuzz pedals, I just did an episode on it not long ago. Jam Pedals Fuzz Phrase, Reuss Electronics Purple Faze or Germanium bender and Analogman Sun Face, are always great fuzz options. I've been doing some episode called Tips for Better playing. Please watch them and try to improve. I also teach via Skype, so if you're interested in private lessons please send me a messade via instagram or facebook. I don't think the Black Magic with reverb will sound different when the reverb is off.

[@wallywanker7435]

Lol don’t get me wrong I bought one of these along with numerous other amps , but I find it funny that everyone buys these reproductions of old amps that were cheap back in the day like this Supro the fender champ and tons of others , growing up in the 70s we got stuck playing and buying cheap shitty amps that we all thought sounded like ass back then , only hoping we could some day get a Marshall stack. Now 50 yrs later we are buying the same shitty amps for 10 times the amount to reproduce the sounds we thought were cheap and shitty. When they come out with a 50 watt univox solid state 1X12 that was as loud as a 1 watt tube amp as a repro I know they are just f**king with me.

[@BuddaGuedes]

It is what it is. Musicians also start playing for few money or even for free, and when they get famous the charge a lot more. that's life. i think the price point is great on this amps!!

[@chokkan7]

Just to address some of your assertions, many of these amps were not by any means 'cheap' at the time they were released but were often seen as cheap a generation later when they were sold as used. Valco products were not much less expensive than were Fenders and were very well constructed by contemporary (and modern) standards. The cost of parts to build a tube amp today is significantly higher than it was at that time, since much of electronics manufacturing has gone in a very different direction, so components are comparatively more expensive. I'd also add that a good deal of marketing has gone into many re-issues; they are not the same as the originals by any stretch of the imagination, and internal construction is far inferior. These new amps will not withstand the test of time as did the older ones. There have been some SS amps that didn't sound too bad, but that's been the exception rather than the rule. You'd do far better to have a bespoke amp built for you by an established tech; it would cost more, but it would also hold up far better than any of the crap being peddled today.

[@michaelsteven1090]

haha 70's player here..Nobody wanted these amps back then, including myself..It was Marshall all the way..I had several. (should of kept them)..Back then before social media, we only knew what everybody was playing live and the occasional interview..When I saw Zep and the Marshalls, that was it!

[@kurtc2894]

Thinking about trading for this amp. Have a Captor X 16 ohm. Can I use my Captor X 16 ohm both as an attenuator and for headphones (load box)? Thanks!!

[@BuddaGuedes]

I think you can

[@leoolivero963]

I'd be careful. You need to match the Captor to the speaker's impedance. It would work (at very low volumes), but the internal speaker is 8ohms and if you plan to use the 16ohm Captor, you'd have to plug in the 16ohm output of the amp, which is not ideal when driving an 8ohm speaker. I plan on doing the same, but I'll be using the 8ohm Captor plugged to the 8ohm output of the amp. I've done this with other amps successfully. I also have the 16ohm Captor that I use with 16ohm speakers.

[@BuddaGuedes]

If you over do it there’s no problem. If you mismatch impedance to a higher value there’s no danger. The problem would be if the captor was 4 ohms

[@kurtc2894]

@@BuddaGuedes Thank you! Keep up the great reviews.

[@BuddaGuedes]

Thanks a lot

[@lancecass8997]

I love the term "Les Paul killer". I picked up a PRS 594 at my local shop, with $5k Les Paul's hung all over the walls. After just a couple minutes with the 594, I couldn't help but wonder why I'd ever pick up one of those Les Paul's again? No intonation problems, no buzzed out notes after 12, a tone knob that actually changes tone, expected volume loss when wanted. It was crazy. I loved it, and had never picked it up before. Now I dream about it.

[@BuddaGuedes]

Pra is making incredible guitars for a super long time. I just love it!!!

[@yestoES355]

Damn man every time I’m about to buy a new piece of gear you always have a video ready. Can’t tell you how much I love your perspective. Love it man, amazing playing and I hope you’re doing well

[@BuddaGuedes]

Thanks a lot. I’m really happy you feel that way. I’m at home but doing great. Thanks for your kind words

[@thekitowl]

Some very Early Pink Floyd tones in there. Sounds great.

[@bassplayer8815]

Gilmour and Barrett used it in recordings along with a Selmer Treble And Bass

[@thekitowl]

Bass Player thanks, didn’t know that. 👍

[@bassplayer8815]

Your welcome but of course I mean a similar amp to the Black Magick because the Black Magick is a replication of Jimmy Page's studio amp known as a Coronado that he customized. Jimmy's amp has a funny story to it as well!!!

[@thekitowl]

Bass Player wasn’t that a 2x10 combo .

[@bassplayer8815]

Yes it was but Jimmy changed it a few times until landing on 1x12. After that he tried to take the 2x10 from the Coronado and put them into a Fender combo so he could sell it at the same price, but for lower quality.

[@RiotHomeRecording]

I have 3 JMP master volumes era 78/79 and 2 JCM 800’s one from 83 and a first year 1981. I love all of them. I’d like to hear this Supro in person sounds great on the video.

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s really great!! Believe me

[@michaelsteven1090]

So the headroom sucks?..Its' almost like you have to buy 2 amps to cover your sound..I wish Supro had something that does both equally well

[@BuddaGuedes]

They target the overdriven sound. And that’s the magic of this amps

[@markhill9275]

The Statesman

[@AHO19274]

Nice episode, Budda. As always!

[@CarlyonProduction]

I think this version sounds perfect. Somewhere between a tweed deluxe and tweed super with more interesting output tubes. The newer version with the master volume and bass/treble tone stack doesn’t sound as good to me. It’s amazing what ‘modern’ players demand. The whole point of this amp is to play it like you are playing it here. Has the perfect amount of gain as is. Stunning!

[@BuddaGuedes]

I really love this one

[@Panic42000]

I have the non master version and the master volume version. They sound exactly the same side by side.

[@BuddaGuedes]

I’ve just got the reverb version, and it’s spectacular

[@davidcudlip6587]

It does sound a lot like a 5E3 Tweed. I have the 1695T version and had a Tweed and the similarities are close. More headroom in the Supro because of the higher wattage. This thing is loud.

[@CarlyonProduction]

@@davidcudlip6587 yeah I really want one actually. I got a matchless phoenix this year and even that reminds me a bit of a tweed on the ef86 channel. I think it’s something about cathode biased amps with little to no tone stack. The back end just overloads in such a musical way.

[@christiandude3149]

Fuck the amp is awesome...

[@BuddaGuedes]

Yes it is

[@curtisprice9806]

So IMMEDIATE being class A....so ROBUST compared to my Marshall JMP's....no wonder John Bonham's bombastic playing fit perfectly with this Supro sound!

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s really great!!!

[@OrangutanJ4488]

I don’t think 1+2 is supposed to add more gain as much as it’s just supposed to add extra harmonics and compression. Just my guess though.

[@BuddaGuedes]

Jake Houston Davis it should be, but that’s not what Supro claims. Thanks for you comment

[@electricurinal]

Gain is what is used to create the extra harmonics and compression. "Gain" doesn't always only make crunch... or distortion... but it definitely can if engineered to.

[@HF1600ie]

This PDF should help understanding the circuitry. I am not sure, but it says 1690, 1615 and 1695... www.dirtygirlamplification.com/Amp_site/Schematics_files/1690T.pdf If this schematic is right and If I can apply it to the Supro 1695T, then, channel 1 is darker and has one less gain stage. They have a few differences, that could be more of a feel than a total tonal different channel. It´s no Marshall, no Fender or Vox, for sure !! The structure and component values are totally different. It´s an amp on its own. I like it a lot and I wish I could afford one. Um abraço Budda !!

[@BuddaGuedes]

HF1600ie thanks a lot for sharing that great info . It’s really a matter of feeling but it’s really very subtle. Nonetheless the amp is incredible!

[@tactlacker]

#93

[@yayayaokoksure]

That prs sucked the magick right out of that amp

[@BuddaGuedes]

Thanks

[@profile1251]

great amp but doesnt sound anything like a vintage BM

[@elpiuvros]

Slurpy Durpa vintage black magick?

[@MRay-zj4ro]

Still sounds great though in my opinion. I think Supro had to work around different tubes as well. Fun amp in person regardless.

[@josephcorcoran8714]

Allison Hicks I’ve heard a few people say that this amp doesn’t sound like a vintage Black Magick. I’m glad you spotted that comment.

[@BuddaGuedes]

Eh! Eh

[@BuddaGuedes]

It’s a killer amp in my opinion!!!