Sur Ron Ultra Bee In-Depth Walk-Around

[@vinuezaer]

Great job. The only review ive found from an actual dirt rider.

[@StoltecMoto]

Right on, thanks man!

[@MCKW-MTB]

I've been watching a lot of videos lately because I'm considering buying my first Ebike and I have to say your video is the most informative and was a huge help.

[@StoltecMoto]

Good luck in your decision making. For the right rider and the right type of riding, the Ultra Bee can be quite the weapon. Glad the video was helpful!

[@knobbytrails577]

Best overview so far, very well done and informative, thank-you sir.

[@StoltecMoto]

Thanks for watching and the feedback.

[@jaredofthefutureunknown]

Never watched a review this detailed and insightful before. Thank you!

[@StoltecMoto]

Thanks for watching … and the feedback. Ride safe!

[@luisbery]

wow! great detailed video!! thanks. Shows a lot of the quality of that bike.

[@StoltecMoto]

It's a blast. Not what you typically think of when you hear "Chinese motorcycle".

[@GregoryGrone-vb7qe]

The key chain is the different mode tuning programs for regen breaking, speed limiter bypass code, ect

[@StoltecMoto]

Is yours in English? Our bike's keychain was not, but most likely because we imported directly from China before it was available in other markets.

[@GregoryGrone-vb7qe]

@StoltecMoto not sure. Bike hasn't arrived yet. It'll be here the 12th. The videos I've watched show the keychain instructions in English. But I've also seen some other videos where they're in Mandarin. The bike is en route right now actually. Just left mainland China day before yesterday. Should be here by the 12th or sooner. Either way, there are several videos here on YT that give a thorough walk through of the adjustments you can make through codes. Just search on YT SurRon Ultra Bee code list. That should show you the information to unlock and tune your bike.

[@StoltecMoto]

@@GregoryGrone-vb7qe Good luck with the new bike! And as for the codes, yes, we created the same video about 1.5 years ago. Easy to navigate the options.

[@GregoryGrone-vb7qe]

@StoltecMoto strongly recommend you look into it. From what I'm seeing, these things are more tuneable than a 90s Honda Civic, right out of the box. Only thing I'm planning to change, is the tires. I plan on using it for a daily commute. So I think street tires would perform better, and probably increase the range and battery life. Not having to push those nobbies down cement should save some of the energy. And I'd like to be able to make sharp leans on windy roads. Nobbies struggle for traction on pavement.

[@GregoryGrone-vb7qe]

@StoltecMoto I believe it was your video that I was referencing. You do informative content. I've got mounds of respect and appreciation for that. I'm new to the scene. So every bit of knowledge and information I can absorb pertaining the bike is appreciated. Don't have anyone locally to converse with, so I'm using YT as a point of reference.

[@Mursmaider]

Cant thank you enough for this, ordered my Ultra bee a couple of weeks back (wont be getting mine in another month though) and this video just made me 100% it was the right choice! Keep up the good work! got yourself a new subscriber :>

[@StoltecMoto]

Thanks for the reply, and appreciate the sub. Good luck with the new bike!

[@Fighter4Street]

Where did you order your ultra bee from?

[@Mursmaider]

@@Fighter4Street Im from Sweden, so from a swedish retailer, guess that wont help much :>

[@marchofthecontraption8060]

I really appreciate the detail of this walk-around and found a lot of value in your size comparison with the UB. I'm a bit bigger then you are at 6'1+ ~220. I've had the chance to sit on the light B and have found it to be very small. I have recently also had the chance to bop onto a KTM EXC. I found the size of the stock EXC to be a bit small but manageable. Do you have any thoughts you'd be willing to share on setting the UB up for a larger rider? My thinking is: differently swept bars, a set of risers, and the 21/18 setup electric cycle rider has raved about. I am not looking to jump into a storm, since I have a fantastic dual sport already. I am really looking for that light weight electric bike+1, lol. Question concerning your stated build plan too for this bike. What are you planning on doing?

[@StoltecMoto]

The bars would be the first stop and might be the ticket for ergos. Beyond that, respringing the suspension for your weight. Not sure if a taller seat would help (or to what extent it’s feasible), but something worth considering. Thanks for watching…

[@KNKLHEAD]

Subscribed. Excellent. Just received my Ultra Bee yesterday, same exact setup as the one in this video. Few things: * Surprised of all things the chain does not have a master link. I will be switching to non-o-ring * While I ordered the "street" version on purpose, I will be removing all things street that I can for off-road/single track; rear light assembly, turn signals, mirrrors, rear passenger foot pegs and rear passenger grab rail. I am interested how much weight I will save. * Funny on the footpegs. I"m an old guy, not used to footpegs that grab your boot relentlessly and do not let go. I may have happy feet when I ride, but not a fan of the "lock your boot to the footpeg" footpegs. These may be good. * I am curious if there's a quick/easy way to help protect rocks/other from coming perfectly straight up under the bike and striking the motor ... seems like there's a bit too much open air there. * It seems the bike innards being so open is great, but it also seems there will be lots of dirt/mud that can collect -- then again, you can get at it and clean .. this will be interesting! * What is the HUGE allen wrench they included for? Also not in tool box it does not have a wrench big enough for rear tire -- as you indicated, will build a tool kit, tow strap, rain jacket solution to put under the seat. LOVE the room here! * Seat and battery removal and replace is challenging for me. I need lots more practice, it takes me an inordinate amount of time to put the seat back in place. I'm a dufus, must be. * Need to put a rim lock on the tire asap .. I am very good at lowering tire pressure and ripping off valve stems. This will be my first mod. * I don't think I received a "bee box?" I need to look through my stuff.

[@StoltecMoto]

1. A non-oring chain will definitely help in the mud with chain life, and as you know, is easier to keep maintained. Bonus is that it also has less friction and helps with range. Full disclosure, this bike of ours still has the stock chain on it after the last 500 ish miles. 2. We did the same. left the headlight (and horn). See our other video for weight comparisons. 3. I like a grippy peg, but these don't bother me at all. And they happen to be very durable. Don't ask me how I know. 4. There are a few folks making skid plates. I've been on the fence with buying one or making one of our own. In short, haven't had an issue bottoming out. Because the bike is so light and maneuverable, I've found I can correct line selections that would otherwise bash into rocks. I have dragged the underbelly on logs a few times, for what it's worth... 5. See the opening picture after the first cross country race on this bike. God...mud was EVERY where. But, as you say, with the battery out, was very easy to clean up. I like to lay it over when I wash it...so light and no fuel to spill. 6. Either the seat latch sucks or we're both dufuses. Dufi? 7. Be careful with those stock tires and tubes! Take a look at our 21/18 wheel upgrade video to see why (spoiler: we ended up flatting a couple tubes). 8. Ours came with one, but never used it.

[@KNKLHEAD]

@@StoltecMoto thank you for all! Funny about flipping the bike upside down. I often cleaned and worked on light bee, prefer upside down sometimes! Appreciate all.

[@repa8203]

Thanks man for the review

[@TrustedSilver1987]

What about those bump stops for the forks...they kinda limit the turning radius but they are well done.

[@joshc3926]

Does the brake light work with both the front & rear levers? Also, is there an ODO (separate from trip)? Thanks!

[@StoltecMoto]

Yes and yes.

[@jacobclark89]

What is ets2 ? I think that the ets2 throttle has two hall sensors instead of one , I wonder if this throttle can only be used with the ultra bee🐝 ?

[@StoltecMoto]

Not sure what you're referring to. Can you provide a link?

[@jipyjaje7871]

Verry nice details I hope you make a video just like this for the newest bike from surron thank you verry much

[@6NightStalker9]

I ordered mine from a distributor in the US and it did NOT come with the MSO. Tried calling the distributor, tried emailing, tried their chat box, and got no response. Finally emailed Surron directly and gave them the vin and distributor name, they @ed them on the email and lo and behold the distributor responded immediately saying they would get it mailed out. So just an FYI for whoever is buying in the US. You may have to contact Surron directly to get your MSO. At this point I'm just waiting for the MSO to come in the mail.

[@StoltecMoto]

That’s a good tip that I’m sure others can use. Good luck!

[@SUPERGOOSE-LLC]

@@JJ-zx9xs Also called MCO - Manufacturers Certificate of Origin. You need MCO, Bill of Sale, and VIN to get it registered and tagged.

[@KevinDeguara]

Thanks for the detailed information..

[@rkjsll]

Thanks for that detailed walkthrough. Really enjoyed it

[@SharkZoneGaming-m2r]

Can two people be on it or can you add passenger pegs to it?

[@StoltecMoto]

The international road legal version comes with passenger pegs...see video. It's definitely not set up for typical American adults, however. Seating space and suspension capacity are sized for smaller riders.

[@SPROCK3TMONST3R]

Excellent video! Very detailed and informative!!!

[@slimms11]

Just to ask which supplier or distributor did you use from Alibaba? I always get scared buying items from Alibaba and especially with the cost of the bike I was hoping for some recommendations. Thank you!

[@StoltecMoto]

Changzhou Victory Technology.

[@slimms11]

@@StoltecMoto Thank you so much for the quick response! One last question how long did the shipping process take from order date? Just wanting to know what to expect. Thank you!

[@StoltecMoto]

@@slimms11 it was approximately 10 weeks

[@cleverman86]

Excellent review!

[@StoltecMoto]

Glad you liked it!

[@Offthevoltz]

Might be the best overview vid on the bike. Did you go over the bolts and locktite? Or did you not find the need for it? Can’t wait till mine arrives.

[@StoltecMoto]

Appreciate it. Did a once over during assembly but didn’t further disassemble to look deeper. The factory marked most (all?) bolts with paint dots and none have loosened up so far. Did about 9 miles of track and 41 miles of single track enduro without issue. Much better suited to the rough stuff than the Light Bee.

[@Offthevoltz]

@@StoltecMoto great I was wondering if you marked them, good it came like that from factory a quick inspection before rides can tell if bolts are starting to walk. Alibaba seller is telling me I should receive late may, but I mentally prepared for June so that anticipation doesn’t kill me.

[@StoltecMoto]

@@Offthevoltz this one took 11.5 weeks from order to delivery. Good luck with yours!

[@SWS509]

@@StoltecMoto was the 41mi on one charge or is that multiple rides? I live in Central WA and have tons of single track and that will be primary use.

[@StoltecMoto]

@@SWS509 multiple rides. Most of my riding averages around 18 miles of singletrack and enduro type terrain. Typically uses about 1/3 of the charge.

[@MrBuggybomb]

I love my surron, but I could only find it in the off-road version without passenger pegs and turn/brake lights. Surron seems to have issues finding me these parts too. Idk why I can't seem to find it online. Overall its an amazing urban bike other than I have to convert the tires to tubeless to put some sweet avons streets(strange stock knobby sizes 80/100x19 is a lame size) on as I use this bike as a work vehicle(that's right! I'm writing it off on my taxes it's that useful as an e bike!) Then I'm swapping between the 18/21 and 19/19 rims depending on my plans for the bike at the moment. This bike has been way more of a blessing than most other material things in my life, though I do wish the customer service came through better in California bay area, i have to travel like 100 miles for a warranty service!

[@MotoAlias]

What's the second wire going down to the brakes looks like it connects to a black heatsink of some kind

[@StoltecMoto]

Wheel speed sensor for traction control.

[@MotoAlias]

@@StoltecMoto thought maybe it told you your speed like mph. It has traction control, what does it do exactly just like a car kinda?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@MotoAlias speed comes from motor RPM and is adjustable via the gauge cluster to account for different gearing and tires. The traction control uses wheel speed differential to reduce power.

[@MotoAlias]

@@StoltecMoto I imagine most people would want to turn that off is that possible?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@MotoAlias yes. See here kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJO0i3Sch8yLaKc

[@Charles-Darwin]

Excellent overview. Thanks for all the info.

[@StoltecMoto]

You’re welcome.

[@steadysunGRT]

Is your Rear brake touching both pads? Just got mine and it looks like the brake is permanently engaged.

[@StoltecMoto]

Is your parking brake engaged? Both pads should touch the rotor at all times, but wheel should turn freely. Of course, you’ll have some drag from the motor…

[@steadysunGRT]

@@StoltecMoto Parking brake not engaged. Wheel Does turn with some little effort! Thanks for the response!

[@StoltecMoto]

@@steadysunGRT sounds normal. If you want to be certain, pop the caliper off and see if the rolling resistance changes.

[@CrossWindsPat]

Nothing better than totally impulse buying a 6 grand Chinese dirt bike, totally freaking out that I might have made a horrible decision, and then learning how great this bike actually is while I wait for it!!!

[@StoltecMoto]

You made me chuckle. Thanks for that! Enjoy this awesome machine!

[@4ranklin1]

Excellent video! Any idea how many teeth on the stock sprocket?

[@StoltecMoto]

Stock sprocket is 46T. 520 chain...

[@tescolemonbleach2359]

@@StoltecMoto do you know how many links the chain is? I f find it odd aswell that it comes with a 49t sprocket, from what ive read online the stock rotor should be 53t?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@tescolemonbleach2359 traveling at the moment without the bike so will check when I’m back.

[@StoltecMoto]

@@tescolemonbleach2359 Sorry for the delayed response while we were shut down. Turns out we can't read (or count). Stock sprocket is 46T, not 49T like we previously reported. But verified this time. And the chain is 98 links. We haven't seen a US-spec off-road model yet - maybe those are 53T? Hopefully someone else can chime in to solve this mystery!

[@e-mike9776]

no breaker switch like the lightbee?

[@StoltecMoto]

Nope, no breaker.

[@James-fh9zd]

Does it have an IPM motor or still the outdated SPM motor?

[@StoltecMoto]

Believe it’s an SPM, but would have to disassemble to verify. Good idea for a future video…

[@SWS509]

Love it. Super informative. Thanks. Mine is on its way.

[@StoltecMoto]

Good luck! Let us know how you like it after you spend some time with it.

[@ChompAlexander]

which Alibaba seller did you use? can you please share? any issues with the bike so far? thank you!

[@StoltecMoto]

Changzhou Victory Technology. No issues so far. 105 miles of single track.

[@SUPERGOOSE-LLC]

I found the seller and asked for a quote for shipping to Florida. Is there anything I need to watch out for? For example make sure my speedometer is miles per hour and that my charger will work in US?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@SUPERGOOSE-LLC The speedometer can be configured to read in mph or km/h. Check out our other video. As far as the bike charging, request the transformer to convert from 220V to 110V. We use the shop 220V to charge ours, but if you don't have ready access, you'll need that transformer. Ours was included for no extra charge. Only other thing is to specify that you need the price to include DDP (Delivery Duty Paid). Otherwise, you could end up with a surprise duty bill when it lands stateside.

[@thestig59]

which seller on Ali did you use and what was your price. I am shopping there currently.

[@StoltecMoto]

Changzhou Victory Techology. Was around $5600 shipped to Pennsylvania.

[@SUPERGOOSE-LLC]

Looks like there is a 60 day lead time. How much did you have to put down when you placed your order?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@SUPERGOOSE-LLC I don't recall the %...but it was around 20-25%.

[@HKnK8]

Do you mind sharing which vendor in Alibaba you decided to go with?

[@StoltecMoto]

Changzhou Victory Technology

[@HKnK8]

@@StoltecMoto thank you! How long did it take to be at your door?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@HKnK8 right around 90 days.

[@SUPERGOOSE-LLC]

Were you satisfied with this seller? Did you get bill of sale MCO and VIN. Would these three things the bike can be registered. Also how are you charging the bike doesn't it come with a 220 volt charger?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@SUPERGOOSE-LLC Absolutely - no issues at all. Very good communication. Included MCO and VIN. However, the MCO contains no English so you'll need to cross your fingers that CBP will do the import without a translation. I think that varies from agent to agent. The bike shipped with a transformer so you can use 110V. However, we also have 220V in the shop, so we just use the international charger most of the time.

[@applechili2848]

Very nice bike.

[@AnthonyMartinez-ch9rl]

I ordered my light Bee from AliExpress

[@StoltecMoto]

Good luck with the bike - let us know how you like it down there!

[@BraapPacker]

How much is an extra battery?

[@StoltecMoto]

Haven’t seen pricing yet. Would expect $2k or more, though.

[@BraapPacker]

@@StoltecMoto do you think its worth getting one from china or waiting till there is an upgrade in capacity? For an average person who wants to go out and rip for 2-4 hours extra battery necessary?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@BraapPacker I’ve put about 55-60 miles on the bike so far with a mix of singletrack, enduro, and light duty track. For woods riding, I’ve been getting about 16-18 miles out of about 40% charge. So, could see 32-36 miles (if I was up to it). For my local terrain, 18 miles is a solid 2 hrs. I’m not an expert by any stretch, but I’m no slouch either. Track usage will suck up juice faster, as will sand. So unfortunately, the answer is it depends. But for my usual usage, range hasn’t been an issue. But you raise a good question and I’ll document future rides better and make an update video to suit.

[@BraapPacker]

@@StoltecMoto thanks man much appreciated! Do you think it needs barkbusters? And if so which ones would fit my ultra is on its way

[@StoltecMoto]

@@BraapPacker we put Acerbis on this bike. Where we ride, there’s ample time to bash into trees on the singletrack. Plus, even a minor tip over can break levers, which aren’t readily available… yet. We’re machining up some nice aluminum spacers to allow for complete removal of the factory hand guards. Will make a video showing what that’s all about next with a link to purchase.

[@phatomphreak]

i can translate all the documents, the vin document just said the manufacture qiu long the black letters in the center. the lower words are printed underneath the characters.

[@dengyuansun2100]

Did you see the two small holes under the bar on the frame? Man that is real surprise! That is the hole for off road motorcycles damper! They also think this thing when they design the bike!

[@StoltecMoto]

Yes, that was something that caught my eye and forgot to mention. Good looking out!

[@Unboxfulty]

@@StoltecMoto I also ordered one yesterday off alibaba, it looks like I’ll be getting the same charger as you with the transformer. Are you still using that or have you upgraded to the American charger? Also, what did you do with that cable in the video that you customized?

[@StoltecMoto]

@@Unboxfultywe use a 220v receptacle in the shop, so the transformer doesn’t get used unless it needs to be charged somewhere else. So yes, still using that cable you’re referring to.

[@AnthonyMartinez-ch9rl]

I might buy one form my Brazil dealer I bout the light Bee from them

[@jasonpaz2]

It sounds like Dana White is reviewing it

[@dave90678]

Don’t let the throttle snap back like that by releasing it geez

[@Vmaxfodder]

I want to find one to look at so bad in person! I want to find out how it will do against my little disability foot scooter? But that is a premium motorcycle for china. It's so fake that it's real now !

[@noelreklaw37]

Google translate will solve your language problem

[@Youdiedagainhuh]

Im 6 foot 3. 220 lbs. you think this hood for my height

[@StoltecMoto]

At your height, anything short of full size dirt bike will be small. However, you can get taller bars and a custom seat to improve the ergos. Plus, a 21/18 setup will raise the overall height of the bike by about an inch.

[@Youdiedagainhuh]

@@StoltecMoto i see. Thank you

[@surronzak8154]

Can the brake levers be adjusted ? Bitting point and all ?

[@StoltecMoto]

Yes, brake levers are adjustable.