Why Linux isn't more popular

[@SurfsharkAcademy]

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[@rohitram9701]

Genuinely saying, very few big games are available on linux. So gaming is not awesome on linux.

[@rohitram9701]

No gaming means Low market share of linux.

[@revanvonheaven8270]

Garuda460 kde

[@AnthonyManzio]

Screw gaming will everything still work?

[@mchenrynick]

The really big thing I like with Linux Mint is that it updates everything in 2 minutes or less. No waiting 10+++ minutes for a reboot to "finish your updates"...

[@MadLad612]

Many people don't even know what an OS is. They think that Windows is "part of the machine".

[@Laszlo34]

"Sad but true" - Metallica

[@awuuwa]

I agree with that. It's just preinstalled on the computer they buy

[@xWatexx]

The OS provides such an insane amount of stuff for the user, even if there’s no desktop. It’s incredible.

[@dm8579]

Exactly. And most people don't want to tinker with their computers. A large amount of users will never even change the default desktop background.

[@MadLad612]

@@dm8579 The kind of people that say "I don't have anything to hide, so I don't need privacy", that's like saying "I have nothing to say, so I don't need freedom of speech". My main concern about today's internet is that most people don't give a damn about their personal data floating around in the web. It's a serious issue. I'm not a native english speaker, I hope I'm clear 🤗.

[@jumbojoshfrombanban]

i love the fact that this is one of the brands that actually embraces linux

[@ImTiredOfFindingAGoodHandle]

surfshark's vpn on linux is missing a lot of features compared to their vpn on windows. but at least they do have a option for linux unlike some other vpns.

[@jumbojoshfrombanban]

@@ImTiredOfFindingAGoodHandle yeah, but it might just be more difficult to handle vpns on linux (afaik)

[@loveatomb]

@@ImTiredOfFindingAGoodHandle also mullvad is better

[@rallen7660]

@@jumbojoshfrombanban Linux actually has the drivers for it's own vpn built into the kernel: Wireguard. It's open for anyone to use.

[@basi528]

just curious, what features is it missing? I feel like PIA on linux has everything I need @@ImTiredOfFindingAGoodHandle

[@gimcrack555]

99% You can't buy a laptop or a Desktop with Linux. And 99% of customer's can't install a operating system. That's the main reason right there. No since to over think it. Been using Linux for the past 20 years. I know how to build and install an OS. Was curious one day about Linux. I install Linux and never touch a Windows OS ever again. Windows XP was the lost Windows OS I ever touched.

[@antonioytm]

Many people build their PC or buy laptop with freedos and still they install Windows with media creation tool.. so i think your comment is false cause people are capable and its not hard Windows has pros that suits most people

[@FunkeyPhysicsMonkey]

​​@@antonioytm Before they built their PC they likely owned a PC and likely were already familiar with Windows. When it comes to OSes that come out of the box, they seem to do better like Apples' OS, ChromeOS, Android, SteamOS, ... Another issue is because Windows is the default, many apps and games make their apps for Windows, which reinforces Windows as the default. There have been great advances to proton and WINE, but still what people are familiar with are not there. So in all likelihood, PC builders install Windows because it is what they are familiar with (so no learning curve) and it is what Game companies focus on ... i.e. because it is the default since nearly all computers (not phone and non-tablet computers since Android is the default in those markets) are sold with Windows installed.

[@D_Greg_D]

You can buy a laptop with Linux...

[@antonioytm]

@@FunkeyPhysicsMonkey True its familiarity mostly but not always cause for example you dont have same experience on all android phones cause it depends on vendors but still many people choose android and dont care about vendors.. Btw everybody can do better than ChromeOS

[@axandraalex5869]

​​@@antonioytm android is the only cheaper option beside ios that support mainstream apps. Ppl mostly use OS to run application, not really for interacting with the OS directly.

[@TopiasSalakka]

Spreading awareness about Linux really does work. My dad had no problem moving to Linux since he only uses a web browser. Though, part of the reason why he was so willing to change was that he has hated Microsoft since forever... So much that he refused to buy me an Xbox when i was little, got me a Playstation 2 instead.

[@kolz4ever1980]

😂 sounds like he made the right choice too

[@xybersurfer]

kind of a flimsy example if your dad is essentially not really using Linux

[@kolz4ever1980]

@@xybersurfer yeah unless he has multiple screens of terminal commands and crying daily and beyond suspiciously about PrIvaCy reeee he's not a real linux user.

[@xybersurfer]

@@kolz4ever1980 no. don't be silly. his dad doesn't even have to go that far. it's common to do a little bit more than browse the internet

[@oparysh]

Your father is definitely a man of culture!

[@Bp1033]

Ubuntu: I want to try linux. Kubuntu: I want to try linux but have it look like windows. Xubuntu: I want to try linux but have it look like MacOS. Debian: I just want a general purpose desktop. Puppy: my computer is extremely old but i still like it. Arch: I want to learn everything about linux. Kali: I want to break into my neighbor's wifi.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

Gentoo: i want an excuse to buy an AMD Threadripper Pro 5995 WX

[@ArthurKhazbs]

LMDE: I heard bad things about Ubuntu but good things about Linux Mint

[@KizukiKotataki]

LFS: I want to build everything from scratch. NixOS: I want a taste of you.

[@TheSillyB0y]

Fedora: I got it as part of my computer when I set it up

[@indetermite]

Tails: I need to hide from the feds.

[@kittenzrulz]

1. The Linux Foundation has a massive amount of funding that they use to fund Linux 2. Having the option to use it is still amazing 3. When the users come the software will as well 4. KDE Connect does build an ecosystem with Android 5. There are IRC chats for major distros such as Debian and Arch 6. Having options is a good thing 7. Im not going to pretend that major multiplayer games work well but if you're a singleplayer gamer then you should be fine

[@needsLITHIUM]

Guild Wars 2 and WoW work great on Proton, just saying. I dual boot on my PC. Guild Wars 2 and Path of Exile perform better via Proton and DXVK than on native Windows 10 with MX Linux KDE. I've played MechWarrior 5 on Linux, too, because Epic Games are accesible through the Heroic Games Launcher (which is also available on Windows and Mac). A few other distros I have tried are roughly the same or just shy of Windows performance. Even Fortnite works (technically, though some hardware can't handle it, and see below). The only games that don't play nice on Linux usually have some sort of inherent incompatibility issue, or there is some sort of DRM or Anti-Cheat that is either Windows-specific, incompatible with the Linux kernel (like kernel mode drivers for Anti-Cheat/DRM, and these types of things actually break windows' own security, and can be harmful to OS stability - I boycott these games on principle), or there is an Anti-Cheat patch to enable Linux compatibility, but the developer company refuses to implement it on their end, usually a corporate decision, over the heads of the actual devs (EastAntiCheat comes to mind - like with Fortnite. Sadly, the anti-cheat is the only thing preventing just installing the Windows version on Proton).

[@michaelkeller5008]

issue is point 3: as long the software isn't there, users won't come (or do come and leave again due to required software doesn't run)

[@kittenzrulz]

@@michaelkeller5008 For the vast majority of people Linux is good enough, so yes the users will come

[@michaelkeller5008]

@@kittenzrulzthat's the thinking keeping people away! sure, there are trillions of programs who can take the job of eg. Outlook, Acrobat , Illustrator, aso. BUT the normal user (those without dev-knowledge) have to find it, get it running, configure it, get used to the program, fight the import/export-issue (if you have to exchange files), and many many more issues a normal user is just willing to accept in small quantities but has to deal with a whole universe of. Something that i've concluded since the early 2000s: if linux-devs would start developing for users, and not for other linux-devs, making programms on linux easier to install, run and to be understood by those without dev-knowledge (and not expecting everyone try to gain that knowledge), success'd be reached. (why is android a success? it's easy to use! find the app, install it, run it, work with it! it even helps during installation to connect calendar, mail aso - all has to be done manually on linux (edit: just think of what's needed to connect thunderbird to your calendar and address-book - why is there still need for an external plugin for xDAV? It's 2024! c'mon! You can't expect a normal user to find the plugin, get it installed, configured then connecting it with thunderbird, just to find out that a change in the address-book is best made on the smartphone for the changes to be working over all plattforms!) ! and on linux, no app looks like the one on mac or windows or tablet/smartphone, it's totally different!) even i, who made the transfer in 2016, have still to run win10 in a VM for the programs there just is no working alternative on linux, and can't be run in wine (IF you can get wine to run properly, that is - the next "pain in the rear for non-dev-users" devs do not understand!)

[@nadtz]

@@kittenzrulz Having helped quite a few companies (small to mid sized) and home users try to migrate to Linux over not sure how many years, Linux being 'good enough' for the vast majority of users often isn't quite true. If you get rid of MS Office and Adobe apps it gets better but there are a lot of people who rely on those apps even if they don't use them everyday and other apps that there just aren't direct replacements for. Someone who is determined to move can mostly make it work, but you might need to dual boot or have a second machine for some things. So long story short a lot of users will need a compelling reason to move but MS is doing a good job of giving more savvy users reason to do so, so we will see.

[@freakinccdevilleiv380]

It's like asking why kit cars have such a small market share in the automotive industry. Most people don't want to tinker but just drive.

[@violetiolite]

Your car won't break just because the company doesn't want you use it anyymore though... except if you get a Tesla I guess.

[@GoodByeStars]

I wanna test out the tinkering

[@henry789]

bro tuning exists and a lot of people do it

[@nBp4tB12]

If you want to switch to Linux but are not sure, I have one piece of advice for you: "Start by switching to open source programs". I mean, I started switching all my soft to open source about 2 years before I fully switched to Linux, and that made my switch very easy because I only had to change the OS, not every single program I was used to.

[@ArthurKhazbs]

Cool advice actually!

[@Rafael-Morais]

This is the best advice, honestly. Back in college I was messing with open-source programs because they wouldn't cost me a penny, and I decided to stick with them (LibreOffice, GIMP, Tux Guitar, etc). That was way before I decided to switch to Linux, and when that day came, the switch was much easier.

[@computernerd8157]

I agree, I also would suggest duel booting for the more tech incline user. You dont have to give up windows 100% if you dont want to.

[@Blox117]

biggest problem with linux is that crap doesnt work and you have to understand command line arguments, networking, and code in order to get simple software to work. if linux just worked like windows everyone would use it

[@nBp4tB12]

@@Blox117 I would say that Linux is not for you. I mean, a lot of Linux users can be divided into 2 groups: 1. They don't like Windows and Mac and are willing to use Linux even if it is more difficult. 2. They want to understand and customize their system much more than with Windows or Mac. As for "just works", I would say that Linux does indeed just works for some users. But the opposite is also true, I mean I have problems in Windows that are hard to solve, although in Linux it just works. If you just want to choose Linux and everything works without any tinkering, maybe Linux is not for you.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

As a developer, I have a good reason. Most distros are trying to be Windows but not, and lack any identity of their own outside of "No we have Windows at home" just with less compatibility/support. Moreover, there are too many distros trying to do the same things, but differently. We need three distros, one for gaming, one for professionals, and a lightweight distro. The fact is, I make game for the Dreamcast and Windows PCs, a game I make on Windows 7 works on Windows 8/8.1/10 and 11, while a game made with Linux Mint in mind didn't work 100% on Ubuntu, SteamOS was flawless, while Arch crashed upon opening and PopOS had no sound. Linux will never catch on until it becomes more streamlined. Not for games developers, nor for the majority of software engineers. Because it's less compatible with itself than MacOS is with Windows.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

I would like to add, 98% of crash/bug reports came from the Linux users, while PC users as a whole make up just 42% of my player base. Only 2 percent came from Windows and those were limited to AMD graphics cards due to an issue with Direct X 11, Direct X 12 and an update to support the (12_1) feature set fixed the issues on Windows. And because I make them for Dreamcast primarily, I add support for Windows 98/2000/XP and those have had no issue reports. A further breakdown of issue reports is as follows. Linux Mint: 2% Ubuntu: 18% SteamOS: 12% PopOS: 33% Arch: 22% Debian: 13% To summarise, I made the Linux port with Linux Mint(Cinnamon) in mind, hence the higher compatibility, however, I cannot, and like most, don't want to have to make a separate patch/version for each and every distro to make native ports work. This would introduce more issues, such as physical version sales having to contain all on one disc which could cause conflicts in the files, or having to separate each version into its own disc and overcomplicating the process. And as an indie developer, I have neither the time to do so myself, nor the resources to hire someone to do so. I used to never understand why developers wouldn't make Linux ports, but in recent years, I've never sympathised more with them.

[@rookooful]

Steam os was designed to make windows games run on it that's why it works.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

I don't understand how you didn't achieve api compatibility across the board between Linux Mint and Ubuntu since they are nearly the same thing (Mint is forked from Ubuntu). Perhaps some libraries were outdated, and you failed to account for this possible discrepancy, as in not pinning the required dependencies?

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

@@CathrineMacNiel Beats me. At first I tried using a compatibility layer for DX 11 to varying degrees of success, but eventually switched to Vulkan for Linux since it worked better that way. It does work better now on Ubuntu than on Debian-based distros, but since that would still leave a native Linux version potentially broken on *some* distros, I've decided to just use Windows and have it work on Linux through Proton on Steam and use Wine or another backend on the PC DVD version to make it Linux compatible.

[@The_Prizessin_der_Verurteilung]

@@rookooful SteamOS is fine and all, but Linux Mint is really my distro of choice for Linux. I mostly use Windows 10 since my old PC CD/DVD games for Windows 95 - XP just work on it, but don't support Linux or MacOS. But ideally I'd like to use Mint as my daily OS since I've found it to be the most comfortable and compatible with the things I'd do on Windows.

[@_DRMR_]

It's really a chicken-V-egg problem. The amount of comments I've seen of users saying "if only software X ran on Linux, then I'd switch over because I hate Win/mac so much". And companies going "if only the market share was at least X% we'd have an incentive to port our software over". Build it and they will come.

[@haakon_b]

No sane company that wants to earn money is going into this sharktank full of neckbeards that wants everything to be free and open source. Some tried, all quit after a short time.

[@EnbyOccultist]

You can't wait for people to cross the river before building the bridge, right?

[@qlx-i]

@@EnbyOccultist The problem is that there's no river in place. And most cities are built on rivers, so there are no people as well.

[@visheshl]

Exactly. Build it and they will come. You're 100% correct.

[@robinpage2730]

Turn WINE into a kernel module so that Windows apps will run natively on Linux and most people will jump right in

[@devonnboyd]

Adobe did tip their toe in the Linux landscape in the past releasing Acrobat for Linux but discontinued it back in 2013. I think the cited reason was the difficulty of targeting multiple distros and low adoption. I think the low adoption was due to there being far superior PDF readers that are opensource but thats besides the point. I think the community needs to back a single GUI Package standard in Flatpak and as much as i like AppImage and loath Snaps we need to send them to pasture.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

the adobe substance apps are still natively available for Linux

[@obj_obj]

No, imo the correct solution is for software providers to just distribute tarballs, and leave the packaging to actual packagers. Then they don't have to worry about distro compatibility at all. Flatpak also has some other issues that make it undesirable, and I'd rather not be forced to use it

[@tilsgee]

@@obj_obj either that or .AppImage cause, again, .AppImage behaves the same like .msi / .msix on windows or .dmg / .pkg on macOS

[@ltcactus5981]

​​@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOATBecause in The VFX industry Linux is THE standard.

[@electric26]

​@@obj_objthis. I don't want to use Flatpak; it may not be slow like it was when I had a HDD, but there's still a slight delay if using SSDs when you launch an app with it for the first time after turning your PC on. It also takes up a lot of extra space that I don't really have 🙃

[@combatepistemologist8382]

The problem I've had with Linux is how difficult it is when you have a problem. You'll google a problem, get ten different solutions, none of which work because of assumptions the author failed to mention, or because it's for a different version, or a dozen other reasons. It's just one thing after another: To solve A you have to solve B; to solve B your have to solve C; to solve C you have to solve D, and so on. There aren't really any reasonably definitive solution spaces such as exist with commercially supported products.

[@aeases-]

Just out of curiosity, whats your setup, and what problems did you encounter? Anecdotally I've ran linux for a little over a year now and the extent of my problems have been solved by flipping a switch to give an app certain permissions it for some reason didn't give itself. I've never seen a linux app require a "different version"? (outside of Davinci Resolve)

[@Trizzi2931]

May I know what problem did you face? I have been using fedora as my main distro for quite time and have never faced any problem. Given that I am a programmer so most of the time I only interact with projects I am working on and just browsing internet but I can not see someone can face such problem for which they can not find a solution for just day to day use. There are bunch of online forums/community for linux where you can post your ans and get help pretty easily.

[@Skelterbane69]

We can probably help you here, so let's hear the problems

[@mechswrd]

Using linux for 3+ years never have i ever had to fix solve more than 2 things as you described it. I may had to solve multiple issues for something to run but they are often independent issues. And yes it happened with me that all solutions didn't worked and make me loose my mind.. But late i find out its some silly mistakes such as hidden typos or forgetting to copy necessary files or whatever...

[@axethepenguin]

Mostly the reason I don’t use Linux either, I used to go from Linux to macOS back to Linux. But for some reason all the issues I had were apparently so obscure that no one online knew how to fix it and the ones that did are the very toxic Linux community. My distro of choice is elementaryOS mostly because I love the DE. But if I had issues on macOS, 9/10 software update will fix it, someone on Apple’s forums or discord will know how to fix it. not to mention that I have no idea how to install any program on Linux without the terminal because I don’t understand rpm or deb or how to install either. Terminal is nice and all but like come on!

[@HobbesNJoe]

10:30 You fail to mention that replacing the OS on a device is not something most USERS ever have to do. Flying solo with the potential to brick your (preferably new) device is terrifying.

[@nonyabusiness-f9e]

i think it comes to down to the fact that people think its hard/confusing, and that is compounded by the fact that there are so many distros.

[@amigalemming]

There are so many versions of Windows!

[@EnbyOccultist]

@@amigalemming And only two are still supported and used widely, one of which is going to be discontinued in the next few years. There will soon be one usable version of Windows.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

@@EnbyOccultist only one? Mhm... Windows 11 Home, 11 Pro, 11 Pro Education, 11 Pro for Workstations, 11 Enterprise, 11 Education, 11 Mixed Reality, and to that all those N and S versions. yeah only one version of Windows.

[@nexus3756]

@@CathrineMacNiel and nobody notices or cares. they buy a computer. it has "windows" on it. its the computer. they dont know what it is. so it doesnt matter. but when they look at linux suddenly its not just "the computer" and is overwhelming to them.

[@nothingtoseehere8336]

@@CathrineMacNielMost of those windows versions are for companies and schools.

[@JackRusselMan]

I was open minded and I installed Linux on a windows 7 machine and used it for a while. Eventually I broke out a thumb drive and spent about a hour or so in a terminal making an USB drive to move on to windows 10. I haven't attempted or thought about going back to Linux since.

[@r7ahtesham885]

Finally, I keep hearing about how people prefer Linux and "never looked back to window since" But this is important too I've noticed how people that use Linux is always so hopped up on copium that they barely even help others who aren't that experienced. Like.. I'm sorry I have a life outside of coding that I don't know how to use the terminal. I hate windows but I'm going to keep it until Windows 10 retirement on Oct 2025,maybe then I'll learn about using Linux the right way.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@r7ahtesham885 Hi, Linux user here! I've been using Linux for about a week now... But before i went over to Linux, i'd been preparing to move over to Linux for about 4-5 months i think, made sure i completed all my coop games with my friends etc, on windows, so that i could make the switch without any unfinished business. Along the way, i discovered that it was very smart of me to look up videos and tips & tricks on how to operate a Linux system for normal usage, and gaming... Doing so, you'll learn the basics of how to go about troubleshooting problems for your Linux system, and even how to solve some simple problems, yourself... And various programs that serve as alternatives to windows programs, etc... This helps you build a comfort-zone within the Linux system, BEFORE you've even moved into a Linux system... Kinda gives you a foothold from which to navigate and learn from. Now, i don't know how to operate the terminal well, but i do know some basic things about the terminal... The generic structure of terminal commands, for my use-case... usually . it would look like "sudo apt install steam" for debian-based distros, "sudo dnf install steam" for fedora-based distros and "sudo pacman install steam" on arch-based distros, now this might not SEEM like much, but you have no idea how much simply understanding the generic structure of the commands, and the differences between linux bases, helps in learning how to comprehend Linux troubleshooting results... it also helps you understand that there's small differences between distros, which will help you realize why the .deb file (for debian-based systems) you downloaded doesn't work on your Nobara OS (fedora-based system)... Flatpaks are pretty universal though, which is why they are preferred for things like Discord, Lutris, various web browsers, etc. You don't actually need to know this specific installation command, in order to install steam for example, obviously, because most Linux distros come with a nice little "App store" that handles the installation and uninstallation of whatever programs you want or don't want, these days. But learning that simple command structure, is a tremendous help... And learning the importance of adding certain programs that AREN'T in the app-store by default, in the case of them being missing, and you want to use a specific program... the websites for those programs usually have a command you can copy/paste into the terminal, that will add that program to the "repo" which is short for "repository", it's the list of programs the package manager... manages... After you added it, that program should show up in the app store, so that's something to keep in mind. Learning the difference between "root" and "home" is a huge help as well... You don't really want to mess around with the files under "root", and you want to stay in "home", root contains your kernel and critical operations files, you don't wanna mess with those unless you are absolutely forced to, i usually right click and hide the root directory, no point seeing a folder i'm not supposed to touch, and makes my file explorer look neat and tidy. :) "Home" contains most of your every-day use-case stuff, there are hidden folders in home, that you can un-hide whenever you need to. I haven't gotten used to the directory of all the different things in Linux yet, myself, given i've only used it for a week, lol... But i had this same issue when i first started using windows too, so i'm sure, as i use Linux, i will get used to the file system eventually... No reason to be hasty, take your time and adapt on your own pace. You can usually google for help, that's what i do. And i will help anyone to the best of my ability.

[@MyouKyuubi]

@@r7ahtesham885 There are also distro-specific forums, chat rooms, and discord channels you can use to get help for your Linux problems. I strongly recommend Linux Mint, for beginners, i used linux Mint for 3-4 days, before i switched over to Nobara, which i am using now... I didn't originally intend to, but i was testing my Ventoy USB drive, and accidentally installed Nobara... At that point i was like "*shrug* Whatever, i can always reinstall Mint! :)". I think that's the point i realized, i don't actually miss windows. I've had bugs, for sure, but nothing that wasn't googleable, and nothing that has been a deal-breaker. :) And after using Linux, i also strongly advise against waiting for win10 to expire, and simply make the move to Linux, ASAP... The sooner you begin Linux, the sooner you get used to Linux... Postponing it, is not going to do you any favors. : / Quitting windows is like, quitting smoking... if you PLAN on quitting, you'll never quit... if you want to quit smoking, you need to quit cold-turkey, just "no, today is the day! I'm quitting, right now, i'm ripping the bandaid off!"... Waiting around, postponing it, is just procrastination, you'll never get around to actually doing it, you'll just keep kicking the can down the road, forever. xD

[@supersaiyaman11589]

@@r7ahtesham885 you can still keep windows 10 after 2025 their is nothing stopping you from keeping it.

[@disguisedpuppy]

Thank god you did it on an old computer, what distro was it?

[@coisasnatv]

Linux isn't more popular because it doesn't work with the stuff you need to work with. I started with *Slackware 3.0* so I know how Linux works, but I'm about 50 years old and I don't have the time or inclination to mess around with my computer anymore, I just want to install the software I need to do my job and that's it. Last week I tried Debian on my computer and there is no audio over HDMI using the amdgpu driver for my AMD R7 250 GPU, if you look for a solution you can't find one, you can only find a bunch of "try this or try that" type solutions. I ended up removing Debian and installing Windows 10, HDMI audio works fine.

[@Nobody-eg4bi]

I agree with you even though i am Debian user not Windows but you are right, with Debian you always need to digging and sometimes even we have the documentation but for developers, not for the laymen, other times we even don't have the documentation.

[@SZF123456]

Yeah... Debian is super stable. But it can be TOO stable in that drivers and software aren't frequently updated. If you ever want to try again, a lot of people these days recommend Arch for the bleeding edge - yes, if you want bleeding edge go for it. Me, I want a rolling distro with some stability so I have been actively using and enjoying openSUSE Tumbleweed. Working great with my RX 6750 XT and absolutely sees the HDMI out. But I also get why you'd go to Windows too - time is valuable as I've come to learn.

[@kumbah2006]

Yes, but Debian isn't the only Linux distro out there. If it didn't work once, it may work again with something else. I'm pretty sure my first experience was that one particular Linux didn't work the first time, but I had a set of CDs that had more than one version, so I tried several of them! Back then, I had time, but that's a little more limited these days ! Time is a valuable commodity, that not everyone has, so that choice is definitely up to you. All the best. :)

[@iulyxpert]

Straight on the point sir! same here

[@Winnetou17]

I'm a bit amazed that someone with so much Linux experience wanted a "just works" distro and chose one that DOES NOT "just works". A bit too early to tell if it's BS or not.

[@riturajkansabanik]

One of the main reason I reinstalled windows 11 after trying linux beside the lack of adobe apps is weird bugs that I encountered. Like I used my msi laptop to install linux and right after installation I faced a weird brightness bug which randomly turns up or down the brightness. Then when I updated the amd gpu driver it blew out the whole brightness slider and capped the display at a blinding brightness.

[@maxyudin]

PEBCAK

[@alphacraft9658]

The Finals actually got support recently.

[@TheSillyB0y]

Most games do now, and it's amazing, the only ones I can't get on mine are new CoD and Fortnite

[@thecastiel69]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

[@mapu1]

Yea, but saying Linux includes non-GNU Linux distributions too, and is shorter and easier to say as umbrella term as it also implies the Linux licensing rules apply to the thing, implying the legal definition of the thing that is broader than the more specific label. Saying Linux is better than saying GNU-Linux, and couple of distros not using GNU. Actually you should be saying "Open source operating system software containing" and then list all the distros you are talking about and that your definition applies to. Cause you know we would not want to exclude information for sake of brevity.

[@sergeykish]

He is talking about Linux Desktop that's built on top of GNU, Freedesktop, Mozilla and countless other projects. Most of Linux users don't care about software freedoms, just like on Android.

[@visheshl]

It's posts like these that keep people away from Linux.

[@thecastiel69]

@@visheshl Just google stallman copypasta

[@markusTegelane]

Just remember: you can always dual boot or run a Windows VM under Linux for some apps that are Windows-only :)

[@SchmidtDrums]

That does not solve the multiplayer online games issue though.

[@markusTegelane]

@@SchmidtDrums how?

[@SchmidtDrums]

@@markusTegelane Anticheat detects the use of VMs

[@markusTegelane]

@@SchmidtDrums yes, but you can dual boot as I mentioned and I don't think there are anti cheats that block dual booting

[@SchmidtDrums]

@@markusTegelane yeah true, my brain seemingly got hung up on the VM.

[@STONE69_]

Folks take note that this guy is making a Linux video on a Macbook, now thats commitment. Great video, lets get Linux to 10% by the year 2026.

[@peterbreis5407]

Good luck with that. Every year is the year that Linux will become mainstream. But most Linux Users would hate that because they hate Newbies and anyone who isn't using exactly what they are using, which is virtually everyone.

[@STONE69_]

@@peterbreis5407 Linux has gone up from 2% to 4% in the last year. People are now so fed up, that more are now willing to research and try Linux. People do not hate new people to Linux, in fact we are hoping to get to 10% It would make Linux more relevant and ensure that it stays alive on the Desktop. As far as Servers and overall use, Linux is well in the lead. You are misinformed as many Windows users are.

[@peterbreis5407]

@@STONE69_ I am not a "windows user" although do use it when I have to. I use macOS (various), Windows 11, Linux, ChromeOS, Android and iOS. I am far from misinformed. *OS marketshare* Android 41.64% Windows 29.25% iOS 17.71% OS X 6.57% Unknown 1.93% Linux 1.54% *Desktop OS marketshare* Windows 72.79% OS X 16.35% Unknown 4.61% Linux 3.82% Chrome OS 2.42% FreeBSD 0.01% Linux Users seem to hate _everybody_ and are their own worst enemies. Yes Linux is a great choice for servers, because it is cheaper. Irrelevant to desktop and mobile users.

[@colbyboucher6391]

@@peterbreis5407 Lmao where the fuck did you get that idea?

[@peterbreis5407]

@@colbyboucher6391 Lmao Linux lmao Users.

[@milosCivejovidar]

Linux is the quiet kid in the class that reads book and knows more about the subject than the teacher, but keeps low and doesn't get invited to parties.

[@xybersurfer]

that's not quite accurate. i would say Linux is the quiet kid that knows more, but because of it doesn't know how to apply it. how to keep things simple

[@Jacknzyeah]

I use Arch, BTW

[@verdox0]

@@xybersurfer more like the quiet kid who stays to himself and works on his career until he has his dream job while other people are living from paycheck to paycheck because every company uses linux in their servers but every random person who has a pc uses windows

[@xybersurfer]

@@verdox0 i disagree with "stays to himself", because of the number of people that typically show up when you criticize Linux. i don't understand the rest of your comment. are you suggesting that using Linux is the only way to work on your career?

[@verdox0]

@@xybersurfer no just no. linux stays to himself because he doesnt focus on partying and trying to show off, he focuses on being practical and hard working. because linux doesnt make itself easy to use and accessible and user friendly like windows, linux is just a good and reliable os but wont work for dummies. the point where i said the career part is that every normal person uses windows, even ur grandma but every server and more professional developers who dont work in game development use linux because it just works easier for that purpose.

[@khayyamaurelius912]

Pretty much the main two killers of linux popularity are: - It is not the default OS most of the time. - Some popular software either do not exist on linux, or their linux versions are merely an afterthought and doesn't run as good.

[@xybersurfer]

not being the default OS is a result. not a reason

[@amigalemming]

@@xybersurfer No, in the past Bill Gates only allowed PC manufactures to preinstall Windows on all sold PCs or in none.

[@xybersurfer]

@@amigalemming how long ago was that? that's no longer the case

[@SamirOumghar01]

It's very hard to use , to learn and to solve it's unlimired iasues...

[@xybersurfer]

@@l4p1descent i have problems with assuming that no one has thought about the OS they are using. there are so many people that are informed and get to decide for others which OS they will be using. businesses take every opportunity to have an advantage. there are many examples of tech getting adopted really fast (Python itself is an example widespread adoption). and yet Linux's Desktop market share remains low. it's been decades. at some point you have to look closer at what the problem with Linux is. the glaringly obvious problem is usability. it's taking way too long for the Linux community to realize this. it's no secret that Linux is an OS for hobbyists, because it requires tinkering. the problem with that is the average user is not a hobbyist. this core problem has not changed over decades. before we start talking about being the default OS and having drivers, it first has to be a good OS worthy of these things. a best effort has not been made by the Linux community

[@Daniel_P116]

Linux community support needs work. I've never had good help. For example, I once had a bizarre experience with adjusting the time zone in Linux. When I posted this in a dedicated forum, the response was, "I don't believe you." No one else was helpful, either.

[@KavusHabibi]

my friend on this is Chatgpt and gemini

[@Daniel_P116]

@@KavusHabibi Those didn't exist yet. A few years off.

[@Nobody-eg4bi]

Linux community support does not know Linux 😆😂

[@Axatron]

@@KavusHabibi How old do you think these 2 things are? Maybe he had the problem 5-10 years ago, who knows?

[@Axatron]

Linux community? The internet is full of useless people talking/not talking about anything, not just linux.

[@Meow_dasKatze]

In my opinion the "choosing a distro" is a very real point. I want to try our linux and after 4 days of research I still haven't decided between Manjaro, Pop!_OS and Linux Mint. The problem for me is that I want to choose "correctly" but I have no idea what's important to me.

[@ernon69]

When I got into Programming it came naturally to use Linux on my Desktop and Laptop as well, it's just safer to use, minimal, very customizable in terms of looks and workspace behaviours which is absolutely lit when you are a digital professional. Another thing that makes Linux nice, especially to smn who's on a budget is the fact that Linux will make better use of the old hardware, usable at least while MacOs and Windows 11 will just make it slow and awkward.

[@mlevesque33]

I'm a new Linux user as well. It was confusing at first, finding the distro I wanted, the desktop environment (as a Windows user you don't care much since it's the same for every user), what kernel to use. I understood I didn't have to choose the kernel but mostly the desktop environment but then I didn't know if there was any distro that were new user friendly until I found out which ones. So it took me quite a few weeks deciding what to use. Once you're in tho, I think it becomes easier and clearer what to use. I still have Windows 10 installed for some of my software but my daily driver is now Linux.

[@rje4242]

I came across this while browsing youtube on my LinuxMint system. maybe a better point than ecosystem would be "predictable workflow between tools". when I went to upload a file to Discord, the file open dialog was placed behind the Discord window, instead of in front as a modal dialog. Clipboard also doesn't "just work" like it does on windows, requiring additional packages and not supporting all formats.

[@infinitymarketing3410]

1. Compitability issues with drivers... 2. Linux being sooo good that no one ever felt to market it... 3. Dirty Microsoft tactics

[@SamirOumghar01]

There is no Microsoft tactics. Windows works out of the box easily and smouthly... Linux is very hard to use and to learn. Linux has infinite issues to solve everday not only hardware compatibility! I think we need to wait for at least 10 years to get a good OS for personal computers that can replace Windows and Mac OS.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

@@SamirOumghar01 perfect Microsoft tactics on display here.

[@qlx-i]

1. Installing an OS on a PC that only has drivers in place for another OS will indeed create a driver issue. 2. I don't think any other OS has been directly marketed either. 3. Yes 4. It is not preinstalled on things like lenovo laptops, etc. And it's to risky for them to do so, so it probably won't be.

[@KrakonosovoBabka]

@@SamirOumghar01 I would say it is hard to learn if you want to use any kind of shell, but if you are just normal user, you can use it (on major distros) in same way as windows (minus adds and tracking). Linux has some problems, but hardware compability is not one of them. Linux kernel itself has all major and most of not so big drivers implemented. + you can easily install additional ones. What people refer to as linux is usually linux kernel + gnu utilities which is not defining user experience, rather makes hardware usable with relatively high level abstractions like file systems, sessions, users, c compiler and so on. Other things depend on distro. You can use something like void where you have to know what you are doing or you don't even get your desktop displayed, or use something like mint which is essentially windows.

[@user-ii4oi4pw3z]

@@SamirOumghar01 i installed kde and it was already so easy to use out of the box maybe you probably installed arch linux

[@MFTAQ]

I have been playing with Linux for a little over a year and recently installed Fedora Silver Blue and I still consider myself very much a noobie. I truly feel that immutable distros will be the future of Linux because I love the aspect that the core of distro cannot be broken as easily as a regular distro which will give folks coming over a better feel and let them just work.

[@fedora]

We do love our Atomic editions! Silverblue is a great pick!

[@BoxCox]

They are interesting but then there is NixOS with snapshots of your system and shell environments. It's really hard to beat it in reliability once you set it up.

[@deultima]

I think it actually comes down to what is shipped on the hardware by default. What made Android and iOS so popular wasn't that people decided they wanted to use that OS. They wanted the hardware, and the software came with it. Likewise with most pre-built systems and laptops ship with Windows by default. Like you said in your video, people are more likely to stick with what they have unless something groundbreaking happens. The Steam Deck proves this this point, that hardware came with LInux by default, and is probably responsible for the largest increase in Linux use in years. I think it took the Linux market share from 2% to 3% alone. Otherwise it's mainly just techy types and those who require a special use case like wanting more privacy making the switch.

[@309electronics5]

Aint android based on linux? And linux is basically just a Kernel where Ha layers and runtimes are stacked ontop

[@deultima]

Android is based on a heavily modified version of the Linux Kernel. It's nothing like Desktop/Server Linux that uses GNU/Linux as its base. However that's kinda irrelevant to the conversation as what I'm saying is the way we get more Linux users is by putting hardware in people's hands that has it installed by default. Hardware people want like the Steam Deck. I only use Android as an example as it's become one of the most popular OS in just a few years and it was done by putting the hardware in peoples hands with it on there by default. The focus was never to sell the OS but rather the devices that came with it.@@309electronics5

[@rallen7660]

I think you're correct. How many people are willing to wipe Windows or MacOS off a working computer to install something new? Kids? Most people just run the computer with what it came with until it crashes or they upgrade to a new machine. In which case, they want the same OS as what they were running before. Most people seem to find it physically painful to learn anything new, and it gets worse as the people get older.

[@formbi]

@@309electronics5 Yes, that's the sad and confusing reality of calling the GNU system "Linux". People think Android is almost the same as GNU, when they only use the same kernel and the userspace (which you almost always interact with) is very different.

[@CorneliusCornbread]

I strongly disagree regarding gaming. Linux gaming via steam, IS one click play, and 95% of games do just work. I've been playing all my steam games very easily on Fedora 39 and it's been great. And if it's not a steam game then lutris is also pretty dead simple, otherwise bottles is really nice for some advanced setups if you really want to squeeze max performance. The only catch is VR currently which is quite broken.

[@MatthewMason13]

As a Windows user who is trying to switch to Linux, I feel like this article and video misses the real point. The moment you have to open the terminal for anything, you will lose users. Things just don't work out of the box. I'm trying out Fedora 40 right now, and out of the box the Nvidia drivers weren't installed, some package managers weren't installed so I couldn't download programs I wanted like Steam or Discord from the Discover store right away. This friction is what kills it for people. I'm techier when it comes to your usual Windows user, but gawd I hate how Linux and its community just brush aside some of the issues with this OS and dismiss them as it just being the way it is when it shouldn't be. "Oooo scary terminal.. it's not that scary." Sorry, but the moment you need to insert any commands into anything, you've lost 80+% of your user base.

[@nikolatasev4948]

This is the real issue. Microsoft is desperately trying to make me ditch Windows, and the terminal is trying to make me ditch Linux.

[@arthurrock4979]

It's simple! User friendliness! Usually, the constant password inputting is enough off putting, but when faced with the Linux terminal, to solve a simple problem your average Joe would have no problems on Windows, it's goodbye forever! People don't want to type to use their computer, they want to use their computer to type. You'd have to be a hardcore Linux geek with nothing better to do with his/her time, to expect the opposite.

[@nikolatasev4948]

Yep. people ditched DOS for Windows for a reason. The terminal is the reason most people won't use it. Most people prefer to solve their problems using the UI.

[@boatunsold]

there exist distros that don't need the terminal that much like linux mint also you can just say "their time"

[@razorblade413]

the moment i hear about using a terminal i knew that was the death kiss of linux. Regular people don't like complex stuff, and yes, a terminal to write alien commands is complex for common people. I'm a software engineer myself but always think about what the end user wants of something, and giving the easiest way to reach a goal.

[@pascalillustration3650]

I use a computer for productivity. Especially illustration. This is my point of view: Simple answer: Linux isn’t more popular because it’s not user friendly to end users. There are much improvements but there’s still the terminal with all these commands that no end user knows. Linux users seems not to understand how difficult this is for end users. In the 80’s computers used command lines and therefore were only used by people who understood it. Then in the 90’s the graphical user interface became popular. This was something end users understood and much more people started using a computer. Linux after all these years still is very dependent on the command line with the terminal. And for the end user this is difficult. Flatpack, distros, gnome, … what does it mean? Most end users don’t understand it. So they stick to Windows or Mac OS with their easy to use GUI. The software alternatives on Linux are good and some are even great, but what if you use an external device like a Wacom tablet or scanner? There are no drivers for it. Only tricks to get it work more or less with… the command line again. And some apps with only basic functionality. For me, an end user who wants to be productive, the terminal is what holds me back from using linux as my main system. I tried, but for productivity it isn’t very usable without the command line. Most people can’t work with it.

[@ZeerakImran]

I would like to add, a lot of people understand it but don't want to deal with the hassle as it is all additional burden and for what? There are a lot of smart people out there including developers who may even use linux in their workplace, but will come home to use their Windows or Mac OS running device. They are capable of running Linux, but they choose not to. Imagine learning a language no one speaks. What was the point of that? Was it worth it? Doesn't make me any smarter now that I know it. I was just as smart before only with more opportunities and time which I turned down to learn this useless language/skill. Guess that wasn't the smart thing. No worries. I'll learn from this experience.

[@Lestibournes]

Nobody uses the terminal unless he wants to. The ability to fix your own issues is a strength, but it's also a choice. If it was windows and you encountered the same problem you'd go to a repair shop.

[@pascalillustration3650]

@@Lestibournes True. If you have the skills, you can do great things, but the problem is that not everybody has these computerskills or don't want to spend lots of time to find a solution. And a problem can be something like installing a driver. You can do that on Mac OS and Windows, but in Linux it's searching for a solution. There's nothing wrong with that, but not everyone want to spend much time to these technical things. It's a choice you have to make.

[@ZeerakImran]

@@Lestibournes yup. Or you would find an easy click click youtube tutorial otherwise repair shop.

[@Lestibournes]

@@pascalillustration3650 true, but there's another solution: if it doesn't work then it doesn't work. Life is as complicated as you make it. In Linux there's an empowering culture of controlling your system and making stuff work, but you could just decide that if something isn't supported then it doesn't work, end of story. That's what normal users do. You could complain that in Linux when you in install it yourself on hardware that came with a different OS you're more likely to encounter stuff not working, but notice the premise. The whole situation you willingly put yourself into is unsupported. Mac OS supports less hardware, but nobody complains about how well Mac OS runs on an HP or Dell laptop. Windows has worse hardware support on a fresh install. The reason nobody complains is because they get it pre-installed on supported hardware, or because they adjust their expectations. You take the route of being a tinkerer and throwing random hardware at Linux, thrn complain about it only working 99% when Mac OS would maybe reach 50% and Windows 85% in the same circumstances.

[@Rangerman9404]

I started using Linux back in October of last year. I was given 2 old laptops that ran Windows 8, (strike one), and the previous owner had forgotten their passwords, (strike two), and of course, paying money to put a clean, licensed install of Windows 10 on them was strike three. As for the terminal, I still have a lot to learn, but I found out that you can bluff your way around without it for the most part and that Linux is for most things as easy to use as Windows or MAC OS.

[@ExZeMIP]

people buy windows licenses??

[@Jimbosaiyan]

@@ExZeMIP Theres a youtube video showing how you can get chatgpt to give you product keys :) though I dont think it is truly "generating" them... more just finding the keys from text its learned.

[@ExZeMIP]

@@Jimbosaiyan It's just a crazy concept to me, it's not like Microsoft even does anything against people that don't even activate their windows just some watermark and restricted features. If you really want them to go away there are scripts on GitHub that activate it for you or just find keys but eh that's much more work

[@EnbyOccultist]

@@Jimbosaiyan As far as I know it was trying to find and replicate patterns in known license keys and was able to produce at least one key per batch of 100 guesses, I think ChatGPT updated the user version of it to no longer guess license keys, but who knows

[@idkmate1451]

Why would you buy a Windows Key. There's a script on GitHub that activates Windows for you.

[@cheetocatto01]

Because it's pain. It's a pain to find decent drivers, it's a pain to customize, it's a pain to troubleshoot, it's a pain to install shit that is not on your distro's repository, It's a pain to troubleshoot distro compatibility. When it works, it's awesome for a while, then the amount of hurdles to do mundane (to me) stuff are also pain. I read someone writing that linux is great for the complete novice user and the TI server manager. But the intermediate user gets the bonk. couldn't agree more.

[@tehyonglip9203]

Because of PSYCHOLOGY, we don't seek for things if it just works. Don't forget, most boomers would prefer the first browser they saw.

[@JacobP81]

9:19 Choosing the "right" Linux Distro. Yes good point. It is overwhelming when you look at all the Linux Distros and your like which one do I pick?? Good point.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

Mhm, when you are at a car dealer you have the same issue, no?

[@stranded_mariner7695]

Lack of tech support, on the plus side there's also a lack of tech support scammers.

[@JamesKaufman1973]

The reason is because many of us rely on proprietary software like Adobe's Creative Cloud that don't have viable (meaning GOOD) Linux alternatives. There are no good, comparable Linux versions of Adobe's Illustrator or InDesign, so people like me are stuck in the Windows/Mac OS prison.

[@michaelkeller5008]

and not to mention those who have to run proprietary software (like eg. driver-card-readers in europe, tax-software, aso) - eventough wine made big leaps recently, it still does not run well enough to emulate a windows-enviroment so that software'd run. Why switching on linux when you have to run a VM with windows 90% of the day? (written from my linux-pc i use at home - where i still have a VM for the software i can not run on linux)

[@KrakonosovoBabka]

I know this might seem cringe, but you can always use gimp. It has almost all features photoshop has. Yes, default graphics are f**g ugly, but if you use skin, it is essentially same app as photoshop. And it is free.

[@needsLITHIUM]

Even if malware is developed for linux, the OS is designed in a way that makes it inherently more secure and more, because it follows the Unix/Posix philosophy, which is also one of the big reasons MacOS is so secure, being based on Free BSD/NeXTSTEP BSD Unix, and the Mach BSD replacement Kernel. These systems don't just benefit from security through obscurity, though. The fact that the code is openly perusable by anyone makes bug bounties a more streamline process, and many software and toolkit/widget projects are works of passion - people making software because they themselves plan to use it, and we just happen to benefit from the use of the same software.

[@ZeerakImran]

i'm not sure i can agree with that. throwing sudos around is the opposite of secure.

[@needsLITHIUM]

@@ZeerakImran individual users can have sudoer permissions granted or blocked based on Unix permissions. Every time you type "sudo" in the command line, you need to type in your password. Likewise, "su" can be used instead, requiring a separate root password. Linux, BSD, and Mac OS all utilize this security structure. If you don't understand how that's inherently more secure than something like how Windows works, I can only recommend that you do some research. If nearly all IT professionals tell you you're wrong, and you still disagree, idk what to tell you.

[@singam7436]

Also, I feel that lack of industry standard software. In particular, I would switch to Linux but can't at the moment because the exam software my university uses only supports windows and Mac OS

[@RalfEngelmann]

I think the first and greatest barrier is that the vast majority of computers are sold with Windows or MacOS preinstalled and the buyers do not give much thought on the underlying OS. People who buy computers with Linux preinstalled do it because they searched for exactly such devices. So switching to Linux is a step that must be based on a specific motivation or problem situation. Be it technical curiosity, concerns about security and privacy or the refusal to have to buy new hardware for Windows 11. And not so many people thake that step.

[@iulyxpert]

Short answer: it is not user friendly! On Windows you don't need to dich into rabbit holes for every little nothing. And you are on Mac by the way

[@justarandomguy2478]

Watching this on Fedora

[@fedora]

👀

[@justarandomguy2478]

@@fedora Um, hi Fedora!

[@antdr01d]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@KolassRexon]

Me too brother

[@niceandslow8002]

does hardware accelerataion work on Fedora

[@PokeyFN]

Ive been thinking of switching to Linux (specifically Ubuntu) from Windows 11

[@pedromain]

I tried, I don't recomend that. Even tough Ubuntu was great for first time Linux users is not anymore. It doesnt support flatpacks wich is easier for us Windows users. So I came back to W11. Another distro would be more suitable for first time users like Mint. Is just sad how ugly Mint is.

[@gimcrack555]

@@pedromain If you want a good looking Linux out of the box. I would say look at Netrunner or PCLinuxOS for starters. Myself liked MX, so I'm a MX user.

[@dreamskongz4781]

​​@@pedromain I recommend checking out Debian if you find Mint ugly. Yes you could install your own Desktop environment and change how Mint looks but I do understand it's not practical for most users. Debian on the other hand lets you choose your Desktop environment during installation (from my knowledge Debian 12 does), choosing either KDE Plasma or Gnome during your installation will be my recommendation to make your Desktop look sexy. Debian is not the "latest and greatest" in terms of how often they update but is one of the most stable distro you can find. I highly recommend going for KDE with Debian, it comes with an application called Discover that acts as a GUI store to download applications, including Flatpak's packages.

[@marcogoncalves1073]

Im a fairly okay-ish linux user, and frankly? Don't do it. It's a pain in the ass. My recommendation? Dual-boot. Try out linux, it has a lot of good things going for it, but it also has a lot of downsides. Nvidia graphics card? Get ready to have the worst experience of your life. Currently, whevener I have a youtube video open, if for some reason I decide that I want to hover the mouse over the video, forget it, everything lags. I have a i7-4790k and a 1070ti, it definetely can run youtube without a hitch on Windows. Obviously not counting all of the glitches I had, that one is just the most annoying one right now. People love to trash on windows as if it was the worst operating system on earth, but apart from the Terminal (which you can kind of use with WSL2) it's easily the one single operating system where I can always boot up and be confident that I'll be able to do whatever I wanna do. Linux is amazing, but windows, at least for me, is miles ahead in terms of usability and performance (and even efficiency, though, my laptop currently has about the same battery life on windows as it does in linux, I recommend System-76 power for that).

[@fabiandrinksmilk6205]

@@pedromain I not such a fan of Mint's UI either, but it is great for really old hardware since it's actually lighter. I'd say that Fedora has now replaced Ubuntu's previous position. It's a shame how Ubuntu now suffers from being owned by a big corporate entity (Canonical) who's now pushing their proprietary packaging standard called Snap.

[@typingcat]

Currently, the biggest problem for Linux desktop is the fractional-scaling Wayland situation. Windows/macOS users don't have to worry about their latest app being blurry or downright malfunctioning, but if you Wayland fractional-scaling, oohhhh boyy... But the problem is Wayland fractional-scaling not some fringe use-case that most users would not need. If a user needs to use two monitors with different sizes, he needs it.

[@nukblack6509]

Go with Plasma desktop and fractional scaling is solved under Wayland

[@mr_hardy5329]

Windows is intuitive for casual user and everything works on Windows. Linux is only for people that wanna take time on doing other things before using system.

[@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section]

*A list of reasons:* 1) Too little / insufficient / poor marketing. - The term ‘Linux’ is off-putting for many, if they know it at all. 2) An overwhelming variety of distributions, desktop environments, options for installing software, etc. - Even if you are willing to overcome these hurdles and familiarise yourself with the "ecosystem", you cannot ‘just like that’ switch to something else, as Linux is basically incompatible with itself. 3) Inadequate and inaccessible user interface / design. - Even the supposedly user-friendly distributions struggle with this and, in the worst case, require their users to use the command line for regular tasks. 4) The toxic and supposedly elitist Linux ‘community’. 5) The lack of (commercial) software and poor support for current or new hardware. 6) The lack of sensible / well-thought-out defaults. 7) Lack of / insufficient backward compatibility. 8) Insufficient / unfocused project management *Conclusion:* While Apple and Microsoft have been getting closer and closer to fulfilling the promise of ‘it just works’ with every iteration for decades, Linux is still struggling with the basics. - As long as the Linux ‘community’ does not (want to) realise that nobody is waiting for them, nothing will change. Using Linux as a main OS is basically like using an Old-Timer as a daily driver. You spend more time servicing and maintaining your device than actually driving it. - Setting up and running a Hackintosh as a daily driver is also a fitting metaphor. *A possible way out:* If there's anyone who can save desktop Linux, it's Valve. They have the resources, power, know-how and most importantly the WILL to actually make desktop Linux a thing. - Linus Torvalds thinks so too, by the way.

[@brugj03]

The lack of a reasonable default.

[@mine.moment]

The 4th point is so true. Those people always insult average Windows users as some lowly inferior corporate slaves, and they themselves are superior users of true freedom

[@plutorocks1]

Your team seriously need to work on for .rpm packages or least favoring us with flatpaks.

[@SurfsharkAcademy]

Flatpak support is being considered, for now there's a beta version of the app on snapstore

[@Drew_pew_pew_pew]

Your comment needs more upvotes. It's a little hypocrite to make a 13:40 long video on how you love linux and in the meantime only support debian based distro's. I'm not going to install snap on fedora just for this single usecase

[@plutorocks1]

​@@SurfsharkAcademyNo way Snap packages are exceptionally slow and does NOT meet all FOSS criteria. Your team must ignore packaging in Snap and consider Flatpak completely.

[@plutorocks1]

@@Drew_pew_pew_pewExactly I use openSUSE and their team has ignored Snap packaging because it posses security risks and has never defaulted to Yast install and will never do so

[@fedora]

​@@SurfsharkAcademy👀

[@lukchem]

I think what Linux needs is hardware manufacturer making devices with Linux. If somebody, that doesn’t know much about technology wants to buy a new computer he would go into an tech store and ask the person there what Computer to buy. The shop assistant would then show them different hardware and software and explain the differences but since there are no Linux devices present he would never mention the existence of Linux to the customer. Only Windows, Android, Mac, iPad and maybe ChromeOS are getting mentioned so the division of the customer will fall between these 5 operating systems.

[@nukblack6509]

Really ? System67 or Tuxedo are just two companies who are making devices for linux with their own linux systems both based on Ubuntu LTS..For gamers you have the Steam deck it is a linux based gaming console.

[@formbi]

There are some PCs which ship with GNU, but they're not really popular. The Steam Deck is becoming kinda popular and does ship it (there is also some other company which plans to use Valve's distro), so that may be a start.

[@xybersurfer]

your first mistake to sell a computer with Linux to someone that doesn't know much about technology. you are setting them up for failure. you second mistake is assuming that everyone that knows more about technology, wants to tinker with Linux. personally i don't care that much about hardware and software compatibility. usability is the real problem. solving that will really get adoption (not the other way around). the popularity of Chrome on desktop is a good example of how being preinstalled is not that important

[@formbi]

@@xybersurfer GNU is way more usable than Windows, which randomly decides to do stupid stuff or just slow down to a crawl

[@colbyboucher6391]

System 76, Lenovo...

[@theroguetomato5362]

Few people use Linux as a desktop (I do), but Windows has completely lost the server market to Linux and FreeBSD.

[@bobmauranne6829]

The problem for a newbie is the amount of choices. So many distros, so many desktop environments, it's easy to have a bad first experience because of a bad first choice and switch back to windows forever (for example: the infamous IQ test to choose the right Debian iso on their website). I think SomeOrdinnaryGamer is right, that we, Linux users, should not be gatekeepers but welcomers, we should not mock those who crave for accessibility and OSes that are easy to use. We should not convert people by telling them Linux is best (and if they don't use it, it's because they lack intelligence), but by showing them Linux SERVES them.

[@Window4503]

Probably the most sensible comment here. Tired of people being elitist about this but then wanting people to switch. You can’t be a jerk to someone and make fun of them for not understanding and expect them to choose your side. If Linux users want more people, they’re going to have to really sell it. I’m considering, but not if asking beginner’s questions are unwelcome. That alone says a lot about a community.

[@bobmauranne6829]

@@Window4503 Well, there is a part of that elitism i may understand too. This elitism is equalitarian: it does not care about your age, race, sex, political point of view... (read The hacker manifesto) It cares about curiosity. There is nothing as "noob question", but there are questions that have been already asked, answered and are already well documented. I remember a person that i installed Linux to save an old computer, that i gave time to teach to use it, and she took detailed notes of it. Some time later, she called me because she could not figure a problem... I let you guess: the solution was in fact in her notes, and that's how she learned about the "between the chair and the keyboard" thing. Even the kindest teacher may give some light mockery to a kid that did not listened to what have been taught (that is disrespect of the time given). To sum up: linux guys are techies, not commercials. But they can be teachers, up to them to be fun (even in their bitterness).

[@unixson8038]

As a developer, and a linux enthusiast myself, I might add something from a technical standpoint 1. immutable distros - yes, it's the future of Linux. If the system can't be easily broken by a user, it's a big fat plus. And having an actual restore points that actually *work* is fantastic. In fact that is a selling point of chromebooks. Oh and Valve already done it with steamOS. So it's a no brainer not to try. 2. single or at least 2 packaging formats that work everywhere. We do have Flatpaks and Appimages but they are still a bit ruff around the edges. And rn we have another format war... But despite all of that things are improving pretty fast. 3. finish transitioning to Wayland. It's just out of the question. 4. finish transitioning to pipewire both for audio and video. and make sure apps are using portals. so that means low latency, permissions, security and all that jazz Not bad huh? Considering the fact that desktop linux really became a thing only recently) Everything beyond that would be an icing on a cake! 0. Oh and I would like to see a linux-wide app store where you can actually sell your work (thinks steam but for apps that support linux, or at least accessible via proton?). Flathub already announced that they might support paid apps and even subscription models. Sooo... Fingers crossed I guess. -1. You 👏 Have 👏 To 👏 Pre-install 👏 Linux 👏 On 👏 Computers! Heck, even something like Chrome OS would do, as people are familiar with it, and Google is making huge efforts to make it a "real" linux distro so people could install Steam and other "non web-based software". If that works, I would be so happy!

[@akeem2983]

May be the best reply that I have seen here

[@alexeypolevoybass]

As for Pipewire and Wayland, upcoming Ubuntu LTS is very promising in this regard. I'm using it to livestream my bass playing with Studio One (yes, it's in public beta status on Linux), everything I touch works as intended except for rare and minor hiccups in desktop/window capture (I blame this one on OBS). Immutable distros? That's great for some use cases like IoT, but desktop users tend to add more and more apps while using the system, so there should be a sane way to switch between those immutable states. As for packaging formats… Flatpak sucks ass (albeit much less than Snap), AppImage is too rough.

[@sanekibeko]

Number 3 is the reason I'm still on Windows and even Mac. I'm not interested in changing most of the software I use or bought for alternatives. Some of that software is required for my career such as Toonboom Harmony.

[@crinolynneendymion8755]

Ah yes, the industry standard.

[@keifer39]

Because people want to use their computer to get things done not fiddle with the OS to do things as simple as installing a program or load drivers etc. Linux is and will always be a niche OS for nerds and that's fine.

[@1dK628]

You sound like company’s when the internet was first created

[@Marta1Buck]

Cheap laptops should come with linux mint or something. Giving them windows 11 is such a bad idea.

[@brugj03]

Why......because it works for everybody??

[@thechugg4372]

​@@brugj03yeah Linux mint is one of the most compatible distro, it would also be cheaper than buying windows 11 for every new laptop

[@Betafunction_1]

not with the current compatibility with essential applications that are used in the workforce.... If you are going cheap, the least thing you can have is an operating system that general works with all necessary applications for school and work, even though the specs suffer. Why suffer specs AND applications? Also if you need linux, chances are you will know how to install it yourself. For linux to become mainstream and keep its core "open source values", the open source applications need to surpass the subscription based applications. This can happen if the the human masses can start to create their own tools with out working for the corporations.

[@minibruh]

10:41 gaming can be a pain as I've found out the hard way most games work with just proton or wine slapped on top of them but others like The Finals for example took me forever to figure out how to get running because nothing on ProtonDB or any guides I found were working for me so I had to trouble shoot it myself for weeks before I finally got it to run and some other games don't have some of their functionally like Content Warning, I just can't save the recordings as it tires to save them to a folder that doesn't exist so you can game on Linux just expect to trouble shoot stuff often

[@rbush2335]

I would love to use linux on my laptop but- use too much power (Windows lasts twice as long on battery), Sound levels are low for many distros, difficult to find fixes and help that is relevant and easy to follow. We are not all experts.

[@joeschmoe3815]

Buy better hardware next time. Really. When I started using linux 10 years ago I had the same issues. But today it's easy to buy a good system (Tuxedo, System76 etc.) or do some research on which notebooks run well with linux before you buy it.

[@EnbyOccultist]

@@joeschmoe3815 That's a lot of effort for an OS so unfinished it doesn't even have a completed GUI and still requires command line for basic functions.

[@joeschmoe3815]

@@EnbyOccultist Tell me you don't know anything about Linux, without telling me that you don't know anything about Linux. Better luck next time, mate!

[@danieljoseph6404]

Yeah linux heats up my laptop considerably more than windows, at idle. So much for efficiency

[@LaZd-]

@@joeschmoe3815 And this response right here is why people don't switch to Linux. Elitist bullshit, acting like you knowing something that someone doesn't makes you a better human being then them, which is downright HILARIOUS to see in action, shows how insecure you are. Lack of respect for the person who is complaining, instead opts to belittle them with passive aggressive comments, rather than calmly and professionally talk to someone and help them figure out the problem. Refusal to provide anything useful and acting like a stereotypical internet jackass who says stupid shit like, "Hur dur do better m8 huh huh!" 100% if money was involved you'd change your tune instantly, Lmao. While I'm at it, saying they should buy better equipment, when most Linux Elitists love to act like old equipment can run it PERFECTLY fine and in most cases, make it run BETTER, is kind of hypocritical, no? Or what, did you not think about that? Lol. I've said it since I was young and I'll say it again. If you Linux Elitists TRULY want this product to get better and take over Windows? Learn to teach people who are NOT technically inclined the software and ACTUALLY troubleshoot the issues and document it for others to see. Otherwise? Shut up and stop making brainless comments like this one. And while I'm at it, dumb videos like this one. There is a reason why Linux hasn't gone above 4% active users, it's because you Elitist snobs don't want to actually SHOW how "amazing" Linux is, only talk about it and act like you're better than everyone else. Gives a bad name for the rest of us, honestly, lmao.

[@user-tw2kr6hg4r]

Linux, BSD, and all open POSIX compliant OSs have an "ecosystem" KDE Connect allows connection with smartphones, localsend is like Airdrop, Nextcloud is a cloud; calendar; note taking app; etc.. There is also GNOME and KDE, Flatpak, Snap, and AppImage.

[@jazilzaim]

The other issue is that there is a strong lack of adoption and it hasn't been appealing to developers that need to reach more users. Especially during this high-interest rate period, it is tough to focus solely on fun and community projects. Usually for a new platform, a company like Google or Apple will provide subsidies or some good framework to jumpstart a developer's journey to build apps for their platforms. But in this case there hasn't been a single Linux company that has stepped up except to provide help for cloud deployments. Even for Steam Deck, the user base is quite low to compel the big game developers to also build a Linux version of their game. Right now the only way I see Linux take market share in the desktop realm is if ChromeOS takes off since ChromeOS is Linux-based and technically a Linux distro. ChromeOS already has tapped into the education market, is slowly growing into the enterprise market, and is able to leverage Android developers to build ChromeOS desktop apps similar to how Apple has been able to leverage iOS developers to build macOS apps. Google is a Tier A company with solid marketing and their retail distributions of ChromeOS devices through stores like Walmart and Best Buy does give them a significant leverage to grow Linux and take more market share from Windows as well.

[@marce4092]

0:05 "runs awesome on any computer' except for when it doesn't cause NVIDIA and intel proprietary drivers. if it wasn't for that and the fact that you cant play games competitively on Linux cause anti-cheats make it so the gamer side simply locked out of the Linux environment, once that's out of the way im sure Linux market share would increase a lot.

[@Sgb-sp3wg]

you can fix these problems, but i still understand you, tte fact that you have to fix these type of things makes linux a bit more anoying to use

[@marce4092]

@@Sgb-sp3wg im waiting patiently, i firmly believe that the scene will grow with the help of valve when they release the steamdeck os to the public to download.

[@thechugg4372]

​@@Sgb-sp3wgno that's the thing you don't get. You can't fix those problems. The anti cheat you can do absolutely Nothing about.

[@Sgb-sp3wg]

@@thechugg4372 true, kinda forgot that since I don´t play any of those games (unrelated to their support on linux)

[@dgperforms1]

You can make a bootable USB and install multiple Distros to "try" on your Windows PC

[@carsonfball4]

3:35 Being old, the thought of using a terminal being a deal-breaker is weird to me. My first computer was a Commodore VIC-20. My second one was an XT clone running MS-DOS. I got Windows 3.11 (when Windows was a graphical DOS shell, rather than an OS) in high school after I'd already been using a computer for around a decade and, even then, I didn't load Windows much as it was bloatware. I still can do a lot of things faster from a command prompt in both Windows and Linux than I can from a desktop.

[@cybermonkeyusa]

Commercial software is the reason no one uses Linux. The open source alternatives 100% suck.

[@crinolynneendymion8755]

Lol, first point, Linux is very popular, so you're credibility is instantly shot. Open source alternatives 100% work, they're just a little different. Credibility at 0K. What else you got?

[@cybermonkeyusa]

@@crinolynneendymion8755 Let me rephrase…Linux on the desktop for business and 98% of user does not work. The vast majority of users do not want to tinker or tweak the OS to make things work. Windows and Mac do the trick and both are the desktops of choice for people that have to work. The lack of commercial software is a big reason why people don’t choose Linux. For creatives and business users, Linux desktop does not exist. Some developers use Linux, but Mac OS gives them the ability to develop and create easily. Sorry, but no one will gamble their business by deploying linux as a desktop. Yes! Mac is built on UNIX and is what Linux dreams to be and Chrome OS does not count. Again, we are talking about Linux as a desktop OS. The alternative software sucks bad. No one would bet their dissertation with Libre Office. GIMP just does not cut it. Blender is the best thing that is out there, but you can run that on Mac or Windows. There is not a single named artist or video editor that is making BIG bank that would ever consider a system that does not run commercial software like Photoshop. Yes! Davinci Resolve can run on Linux, but it is not a great experience. Sorry, but it is 100% spot on. The user number don’t lie. People want windows and Mac.

[@cybermonkeyusa]

@@crinolynneendymion8755 Linux is not popular as a desktop OS. 99.9% of people do not want to tweak their OS. They want something that just works. Businesses, Schools and nearly every user on the planet does not choose it because there is a lack of software people want to use. Yes! There is FOSS. But, that software is clunky and built like it was 1999. There is not a business that would gamble on using FOSS nor would anyone bet their dissertation on anything by Microsoft Word. Having zero commerical software is 100% the reason no one will move over to Linux as a desktop OS. 100% fact.

[@mine.moment]

Real and true comment. As expected a Linux elitist lapdog barked in the reply. I rather use debloated Windows with cracked Adobe Photoshop than to install Linux with Gimp.

[@idkmate1451]

@@crinolynneendymion8755 That's weird. I wonder why does Adobe have the monopoly. People can just use open source alternatives that are just as good, are they stupid? Oh right, GIMP, Kdenlive, Ventoy, and 20 other bare bone Softwares are terrible and almost unusable.

[@Alcoholdehydrogenas]

I don't believe people who say: "Linux is awesome", when they have a macbook on their table.

[@tejasv574]

He has Linux installed on that MacBook.

[@treetoon_]

If you want Linux to succeed then everyone needs to use the same distro, it's that simple really; the distro should operate in such a way that the console is never used, the distro needs to be designed from a user perspective. If at any point anyone has to interact with the console doing the tasks you can accomplish on windows (even some of the more complex tasks) then you've failed; there are no exceptions to this, zero tolerance. As of now, linux's design is around linux hobbyists, it's not around the average PC user. If this is done right, then people will naturally begin to switch and the industry (like adobe) will be forced to adapt. As of now, things are too scattered. You can't just tell companies to design their software for multiple distros, it's too much time spent on nothing. One distro... Zero console interaction tolerance, that's it... Every other problem you can think of flows from these two.

[@famousmwofficial8046]

Chrome os is the perfect user oriented Linux out there. So good and so user focused that the gnuvangelists say it's not Linux and give it it's own category. There will always be chaos in Linux maybe if linus torvalds and the foundation decided to lay some ground rules there could be unity

[@mine.moment]

The only real and true comment here. But prepare for some Linux lapdogs to jump in and bark at you my friend. I mean the elitists who act morally superior to average common Windows users. F*ck CLI, the average people don't want to stare at a black void screen not knowing what to do, or having to look up commands on Google, copy paste or memorize. Screw all that crap. We want clearly the buttons, icons, texts showing what they do. The CLI if anything should appear in a section next to them so in rare cases we can use if we want - CLI should be in no way the mandatory method average people interact with the OS.

[@jakestrahms7924]

Yup,if you cant get your granny to use it, its too difficult.

[@danthebee27]

I have to disagree and correct me if I'm wrong but saying "everyone needs to use the same distro" is completely wrong. I'll agree that there are in some ways too many but having choice is what's great about Linux. If a distro starts spying on me welp bye then off to a new one. Also about the CLI I feel like basic commands aren't too hard and are actually easier. If i want to install VLC on say arch I open terminal and run "sudo pacman -S vlc" and boom done. But I think most things should have a GUI at least on certain distros.

[@treetoon_]

@@danthebee27 Fair enough, it's not really about using the same distro per se, the issue is lack of cross-compatibility, if packages always work across distros it's fine, but they don't, and the current "sandbox" solutions aren't good enough, it needs to be native. Only solution I see here is to push Arch and make sure any branch distros are always fully backwards compatible with the same package managers. I think Thorvald mentioned this, on Windows there's one exectuable, on linux there's a hundred variations. I think Android solved this, everything is just an .apk that runs regardless of OEM android version, it doesn't matter if I'm on Samsung or Oneplus, all apps still work natively. This is what I see as the primary issue with linux, because most issues people face when trying linux stems from that isolation problem. Ironically, windows handles this in a more "free" way.

[@lylez00]

I tried to watch Netflix on Chrome on Linux Mint and it wouldn't work due to some graphics package lacking. I think it was DirectX or something like that.

[@RLLarsen]

More a question than a comment, but why can't I just auto-install Linux Mint? I went to the Mint website, had to download a .iso file, check to see if it was authentic (via terminal)...and I finally gave up because it was so un-understandable. For an amateur user like me the complexity was overwhelmingly frustrating. I really want to explore Linux, but it is so difficult for me, a basic user, to install. Any advice?

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

once you downloaded the ISO you can install a program called balena-etcher to flash the ISO to a USB (⚠️!!!this will wipe all the data from the USB!!!⚠️) now make sure the USB is plugged in and reboot your computer, the next step is to enter your BIOS/UEFI which can be achieved by spamming a specific button while your computer is booting up, this button is usually F2 but it can also be F8, F10, F12, or del. in your BIOS/UEFI there should be a section where you can choose what device to boot from, boot from the USB you flashed earlier, now you should be in the linux mint installer where tou can install your new penguin operating system 🐧 (⚠️!!!this will wipe all the data from your computer!!!⚠️) also you don’t necessarily need to authenticate the ISO, you can skip that step if you want to

[@RLLarsen]

@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT Thanks so much! I will try this. 😸

[@nubatman]

​@wlarsen70 You can give Ventoy a try too. It creates 2 partitions on a USB (one for the loader / one for isos). It basically let's you mount the image for easy testing and installation. If you're still on Windows the installer is straightforward. I would recommend a drive that's 32gb or higher to drop in multiple iso images.

[@RLLarsen]

@@nubatman Thanks! I will try this. :)

[@ProjSHiNKiROU]

For large-enough software or game publishers, supporting Linux means hiring QA and tech support teams Linux, so merely developing their software on a Linux-compatible framework/game engine isn't enough

[@ArthurKhazbs]

Are you assuming that tech support teams know anything about Windows or any other OS? Sheesh, maybe try turning your argument off and on again.

[@fedora]

Rome wasn't built in a day, neither is the year of the Linux desktop 😉

[@xybersurfer]

i hope you are aware that Linux has had decades

[@brugj03]

@@xybersurfer And it will need many more. If it ever is gonna happen.

[@xybersurfer]

@@brugj03 yeah it will take many decades more at this rate. assuming of course that there won't be a disruptive technology that will shake this up (which the software industry is known). i think it's one of the most interesting thought experiments to think about what that could be

[@mine.moment]

@@brugj03 Yeah no sh*t it will never. 😂

[@disguisedpuppy]

I broke my elbow

[@hitarthshah]

Dear Sir, I’m a new bee in Linux & would love to try one of the Distros BUT which supports secure boot. Please could you suggest / recommend

[@AmountStax]

Doesn't matter what Linux distro you use. You will constantly have to use the terminal simple as. It is the number one reason people do not adopt it and unless Linux developers actually take this into account and make it so that a user never has to even see a terminal, it will never see wide adoption.

[@peterjackson2625]

Can Linux run Microsoft programs? Word 2000 for instance???

[@heatherharrison264]

I have been using Unix-like systems since 1990, so Linux is natural to me, and I can have a hard time with Windows (which I only use on my work laptop). I must be rather old fashioned; my screen is covered with terminal windows. I would rather type in commands than search through menus. It's what I am used to, so it works well for me. This sort of inertia is a major explanation for why Linux isn't more popular. A lot more people are simply accustomed to Windows and Apple, and these platforms have suites of software that large numbers of people use. Linux is a lot easier than it used to be, but it still requires a higher level of computer literacy than Windows or Mac if you want to do much more than basic activities such as web browsing or watching KZbin videos. I play a lot of video games. Fortunately, I am only interested in single player games, so the big multiplayer games that will not run on Linux are not relevant to me. It used to be very difficult getting video games to run. It is a lot easier now, but it can still require tinkering, and some games are extremely troublesome to get working. Even native Linux games can require tinkering. Depending on the Linux distribution, they can sometimes run into dependency hell, and there have been a couple cases where I found it easier to run the Windows version using Wine than to resolve the dependency problems. Furthermore, NVidia graphics cards have rather crummy drivers on Linux, and these cards have the greatest market share. I ended up getting an AMD graphics card when I built my latest PC, and it has been a better experience so far. AMD supports the open source Mesa drivers. This helps since the community is involved in keeping things running, and very old cards continue to receive support, potentially extending their longevity. Most people don't want to deal with these types of problems, and I can't say that I blame them. I'm glad we have the option of using Linux since it is the system in which I feel most comfortable, but it is likely to remain a niche for people who are used to Unix-like systems, people who have better than average computer skills, people who are devoted to the open source movement, and people who have grown tired of problems related to Windows and Apple and are willing to go through some pain to get out from under those systems.

[@xenomyr]

Linux users advertise the OS as more free when in fact you have less software and hardware options / compatibility. I believe it is easier, or less time-consuming, to make windows more private than trying to make a lot of apps/games/hardware work on Linux.

[@danthebee27]

@@xenomyr Your missing the point with freedom. When people say Linux and FOSS software in general is free they mean no payments but also no data collection as you can view the source code and it's yours forever. Also Its impossible to make windows fully private as its closed source in nature and we can't see its code to see what it collects.

[@toothytube]

You omitted one of the most crucial failings, thoroughly inadequate driver support for a number of extremely consequential hardware components such as Nvidia graphics cards. Or "worse case scenario" the total absence of any driver support whatsoever, as is the case with numerous WiFi adapters. Including a large number of TP-Link/Archer units from the worlds largest supplier of WiFi hardware. And that latter failing renders Linux useless for millions of mainstream end-users who are reliant on WiFi connectivity with those devices.

[@rcgamer]

It's not that hard to understand. People use the OS that came with their computer and since the early 90s that has been primarily Windows or Apple OS.

[@chrismeacham4741]

I'm switching over from Windows and I can tell you why. It's the same reason when I started trying it out 5 years ago. I go to download and install a fairly popular program (an email program) and instead of getting a button I can push to download and install it takes me to a page with lines of code to enter into the terminal. Now I'm researching how to do this... trying to find out where the zip file went... where to put it once unzipped.... endless. Download and install buttons.... hit the button and it starts an installer program that allows you to put it on your computer. This blocks a vast majority of people wanting to get away from Windows. They don't want to learn or use the terminal... they just want an OS to download and run programs. Updating a program should be the same way. Click a button and it updates... might require restart. Anything else just won't get much of a following.

[@formbi]

An ecosystem for GNU would be almost guaranteed to be freedom-respecting and multiplatform, so it could work on other OSes too (and would actually work). The biggest problem (and also advantage) would be that there's no central entity to host the servers, so it would be federated or p2p (each has the issue of connecting all your devices properly). 9:20 That issue is very overblown. I just tried several distros in a VM until I decided which one to use on bare metal.

[@idcrafter-cgi]

the Finals does now run like Apex also runs on Linux

[@kach0937]

You better be running asahi on that mac in view, sir

[@xE92vD]

Its not that I cant use it, its just that it mostly isnt as beautiful like windows or that it has many software compatible with it. There are also driver compatibility issues.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

“Linux isn’t as beautiful like windows” bro have you every visited r/unixp0rn before

[@tzarcoal1018]

Windows and beautiful?? That's new for me. I find it kinda ridiculous ( at the same time funny) how you have this inconsistent design that is essentially a bit of leftover from all the different windows OS systems of the past. Also you can have dark mode in all the new stuff, but once you need to jump into the control panel for instance you are back to a white background. Taste is different, but I think KDE is looking much better and delivers a consistent design language.

[@xE92vD]

@@tzarcoal1018 KDE indeed looks nice, but it lacks some nice UI design there and here.

[@EnbyOccultist]

@@tzarcoal1018 KDE is pretty nice looking, just a shame half the GUI doesn't even work and you need to manually change those options in command line.

[@seeibe]

Hopefully the Steam Deck will sell enough that eventually publishers can't ignore it anymore.

[@drill_fiend1097]

Many devices around us already use Linux variants or running with modified kernel, it's just that people don't realize it because all they can recognize is whatever is installed stock on their PC. Android is Linux, and MacOS is highly modified BSD (Not Linux, but still UNIX). Servers and Lab PCs almost exclusively use Linux.

[@jimj986]

Let’s just keep in mind the only reason Linux isn’t more heavily targeted by malware is that it ISN’T a large portion of the market share. If everyone used it you would find security issues much more common. Don’t use Linux folks.

[@neffscape6353]

I'm using linux as my daily driver, but I can see why people don't even consider switching to it. Simply put: people don't care. As long Windows let them achieve what they need, people won't bother changing OS, because changie is difficult and requires learning something new. For linux to become "popular" we just need more preinstalled hardware and one or two killer apps, Once we reach 10% more commercial software will come.

[@EnbyOccultist]

It's a bit more than that I think, the average person isn't knowledgeable enough to use the command line the way even the most user friendly distros require, and finding an average end user with the time or interest to learn that is a Herculean task. For Linux to reach the widespread use it deserves it needs a DE with a GUI as comprehensive and intuitive as Windows, it just doesn't have that yet. PopOS is getting close though, I think, maybe in a few years it will start to reach that point.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

I like Linux, but man, I keep running into issues. It's beautiful once you have it set up Problems I encounter: * The graphics environment can randomly die, and now you have to fix it in command-line * You do a setting in the UI, and it doesn't take effect. Sometimes you have to modify a text file to get it to work reliably * I installed Linux onto a VM. Mapped a 2nd virtual drive to a folder. I put a ton of stuff into said folder, thinking it was mounted (it was not). Ended up bricking the OS because main drive was full If you want a lot of Linux software, a Mac can work pretty well. I hate admitting it. Another issue is that you have to download the OS from the Internet, and figure out how to boot it. It sounds simple for most of us since we're deep into PCs. For a newbie, it's like you feel like you are diffusing a bomb.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

how the frick did you "brick" your OS in such manner?

[@PompaTG]

@dreaper5813 Depends on what you're doing. If you're doing things like pentesting or malware analysis then a VM is your friend. That being said, I use Linux on the host as well.

[@PompaTG]

@@CathrineMacNiel I think most people who say they've bricked their system just haven't put in the effort to fix whatever they did to it in the first place. I had a kernel panic during a system upgrade just a few days ago, which was a PITA, with a whole bunch of libs getting wrecked, resulting in kernel panic on boot as well. Had to boot from usb , and at first I couldn't even chroot, but I got it sorted out.

[@crinolynneendymion8755]

Don't believe a word you said.

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

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[@NeedyValorant]

Problem that window can suit mostly people while linux only for devoloper and who want to experience new OS . If your PC encounter a problem w/ linux , u can hardly find a post in a forum or watch youtube to fix it . And some PC machine cant find compatible driver for Linux , only 65% PC support full driver. But with window you can fix it easily . And one more thing that Window support gaming better than linux with directx . Nowaday , Specs are not problem with people they just want a friendly and instant OS not 'terminal OS' with many problem and have figure out problem themself and find out solution . If you are developer , Window still have many app supported and WSL if u want to run Linux app Linux not bad but window become more friendly and many people upgraded their PC

[@AlanDike]

Runs awesome on any computer? As long as it doesn't have to recover from hibernation on laptops.... or you use something super mainline like a dell. I had an HP that had serious issues initiating the wifi card (which, ironically, is the same card I use in so many other systems... I think it was an oddball pcie bus that wasn't perfectly supported.. linux on laptops is still a gamble... though it seems great on this HP victus, no so much on the HP envy x360 I had)

[@eyesight2073]

Hibernation works perfectly fine on my arch laptop. systemctl hibernate

[@AlanDike]

@@eyesight2073 I wish it would on mine.. I can make it hibernate.. what I cant do is make it wake back up... I have to do the long power button press and come up fresh. My HP envy that had the wonky pcie bus (suspicion, not verified) had the same issue. My dell 3567 didn't recover from hibernation either. They'd all go into hiberation, none of them would wake back up from hibernation. Instead I just have it shut down when I close the lid while on battery or do nothing when it's plugged in. It only takes about 30 seconds for the laptop to boot into windows or linux, so it's really not much of an inconvenience (most of that is ram checks.. shes got 64gb)

[@stenboss1816]

Gaming is the one and only reason why my desktop is still using windows.

[@hera9539]

The reason why I use Nobara Linux: The games I play run much better on Linux than on Windows 10. E.g. Snowrunner - under Win10 with micro-stutters, under Linux butter-smooth.... And now? ;)

[@EnbyOccultist]

@@hera9539 Do you have any examples with more demanding games? Like Cyberpunk, Warzone, or Baldur's Gate 3 with co-op? Those are the things Mint and Kubuntu couldn't ever run for me.

[@hera9539]

@@EnbyOccultist Sorry, I don't play any of these games. Everyone chooses the system that best suits their needs......but I don't use Windows anymore for many other reasons.

[@CathrineMacNiel]

@@EnbyOccultist CP2077 runs butterly smooth under Nobara Linux (and for that any Linux Distro with Wine-GE or Proton-GE running the show)

[@UnknownXVN]

i use Steam on linux. also , minecraft is supported so no problems for me

[@ClokworkGremlin]

Whether the concern is founded or not, the fact is that terminal reliance *is* a huge barrier to entry for Linux use. The fact that you can get through Mint without touching the terminal 99% of the time is irrelevant, because nobody who doesn't use Mint regularly actually knows this. Whether it's true or not, Windows users "know" that Linux requires command line familiarity. That's the problem.

[@marekkedzierski8237]

My list would be: 1. Terminal and config files. Yes, you can install Linux distro nowadays without using the terminal, but if you run into any problem whatsoever you will immediately need it. The same goes for config files - any problem at all and you have to hunt for some obscure file in ridiculously named directory. 2. Open software UI and how crappy it is. FOSS software UI tends to be convoluted, unintuitive and simply strange. 3. Almost religious convictions FOSS enthusiast exhibit talking about freedom, big corporations, privacy and so on. I tend to stay away from such people whenever I can, just as I do when I encounter a streat preacher.

[@gruntaxeman3740]

1. That is great thing. One reason why Microsoft did fail with ISS because Apache HTTP was superior to configure. Folder structure also have standard: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard Also do you understand how much harder it is to copy configurations that are in obscure registry keys instead of simple file? Configuration files are usually having comments, Windows regedit does not show comments for registry keys. Issue in Windows is that folder structure is not standard, it affects all development and also user while location of files changes time to time. Also while Microsoft is caring backward compatibility, many software is failing because of file system or security conventions are changed. 2. Depends on software. I prefer using open source software with good UI. It is usually better to use not so perfect UI if software is open, because we know that big changes in environment causes -30% productivity drop for while. And that happens when software support ends. Open source software are easily have longer life cycle than closed ones. Oldest softwares that I use is something like 50 years old. 3. Those FOSS enthusiast are weird, they are rare of course. Everyone can choose where to give data or like to use big corporation software.

[@ZeerakImran]

@@gruntaxeman3740 you don't need to go into the windows registry. terminal on the other hand..

[@cate01a]

When I tried it, I had big long issues with steam, multiple monitors, vr, softlocking my system via the different passwords, and I found the file structure confusing, unintuitive, and like I didn't have control over my computer Linux is certainly attractive, atleast in theory, but I wouldn't hop on until it becomes extremely intuitive and windows-like (no terminal; just guis. no download manager; just double click an exe. no iirc weird folder structure that demands certain stuff be in certain places; just my multiple drives, that I can put whatever, wherever). ...and, until "big" apps work as flawless as windows, like vr and unity, which I'd guess would be a headache with lots of minor issues

[@CoolDudeClem]

Problem with Linux is while it's great for basic stuff, you know browsing the internet, watching videos, listening to music, doing some word processing and whatnot, and while it's great for expert users who really want to get right down to the nuts and bolts of their OS, for those in the middle it's just not good.

[@ytsearchengine]

Yes I am in the middle.

[@hokus.pokusss]

You love Linux, but in front of you is Macbook.

[@Emenemx]

I love Linux to but use a MacBook as well

[@royal_elegance_algeria]

That's normal he is American

[@alimanoun]

It's what he uses for editing

[@anon-fq3ud]

You can like two things at once, not everyone is a moron

[@Progressive.G]

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[@karlmader9153]

If Microsoft Office and the Adobe Suite were available on Linux, I would immediately switch. As it is right now, I unfortunately depend on those two suits for business reasons. However, I did switch from Windows 11 to Linux Mint on my personal computer and am loving it!!! It was so much easier than anticipated and my laptop now runs like on rocket fuel.

[@Sykxezn]

Those are subscriptions they aren't too liked with free software like Linux, and there's plenty of things similar to those softwares that support the same files

[@ZeerakImran]

@@Sykxezn there isn't a single viable alternative. Not by a long shot. There also aren't any plans of decent software being developed.

[@neonshadow5005]

I'll be swapping to Linux with my new PC. So I *will* be using it, actually!

[@fedora]

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[@themartian4423]

So, do you still use Linux? How many days did it last you?

[@manoo422]

The vast majority of people dont even know that an alternative to Windows is available. The small number who do, think its too inconvenient to change or have zero confidence THEY could load it without loosing everything on their computer. If only there was an app that allowed users to decide which OS the computer started up on. A LOT more people may be inclined to do that and realise how much better it is...

[@bleack8701]

5:00 The biggest one is a good Office suite. None of the alternatives work as well, especially when it comes to Excel/Spreadsheets