SURGEON reacts: Dr. Glaucomflecken new resident's first day

[@DavidHindin]

Happy holidays, friends!!! Got a favorite Glaucomflecken video for me to check out? Let me know 😊

[@docgammycat]

Happy, happy to you, too! Looking forward to more reaction + weird med vids (Einstein's brain, FFS! What a travesty/tragedy! I'd also heard Napoleon's penis traveled around Europe without him post-mortem...?!🙄😖🤣) in the (wonderful, one hopes) new year!

[@DioneN]

I like the recent Bill Visits the Lab, cause I’m a med lab tech. “To us, down here, the patient is a tube. The tube contains data. It is my job to mine the data. A job I cannot do without a 2D barcode!”

[@leigh5251]

Infectious disease hike. It's hilarious.

[@sarahrupert5320]

Anything with cardiology vs. nephrology…

[@princ3sstofu]

Have you done one on his trauma surgeon yet?? I would love to see your thought on that!

[@marthawall3318]

Dr. Hindin! I almost happy-cried at your kind words about the pharmacists you have worked with before! Thanks for the shoutout✌🏼

[@joywebster2678]

As a older RN the old school Surgeons who existed back in the 80s, and still threw instruments during surgery, and threatened nurses on surgical floors, would make great fodder for these videos and reactions. As a Clinical Nurse Soecialist I had to initiate literal Time outs for surgeons on units. We had the support of the Cheif of surgery, of Chief Medical officer. I'd have to tell the raging Doc he had to go sit in the patient teaching lounge for 10mins to calm down. We timed it, then talked with them about unacceptable team behaviour. We got laughed at a lot, but behaviour improved.

[@TheresaK71]

I was recently on a surgery rotation and the surgeon asked a nurse "ARE YOU STUPID?!" because she didn't have the swabs in the order he wanted them (he wanted a different layout than every other surgeon) and threw a retractor across the room! Some of them are still around! Also wouldn't let the nurse teach the student nurse because it was "too loud" when she was explaining the procedure.

[@jenniferpotter9683]

Oh boy. Trays of instruments across the floor!! Only too often.

[@hvymtal8566]

The OR belongs to the surgical charge nurse. The surgeons are borrowing it Not everyone seemed to understand that back then

[@Tkmined]

That explains why my grandmother, who is usually very quiet and reserved, handles arguments with an iron fist. She used to be a nurse.

[@AR-pd2it]

The 80s? My!! I know of surgeons in the 2020s who'd throw a full blown fit ( including instruments) if things don't go their way 😅😅

[@lyrahlin]

“Smash the keyboard with their fists, order whatever comes up, and then disappear into the night” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Oh my gosh this is too real with inpatient pharmacy!!!!

[@DavidHindin]

lol seriously

[@lindabryant3135]

Was a nurse 42 years. I always made the doc think it was thier idea. Those doc's trusted me to take care of thier patients...

[@elizabethb4168]

As a patient, I have only had pleasant experiences with pharmacists, major respect to them honestly

[@celestegross6622]

My grandfather (an anesthesiologist) used to joke “What’s the difference between God & a surgeon? God doesn’t think he’s a surgeon.” 😂

[@TheBatracho]

This is great haha

[@aleidauschlur696]

As a scrub tech, the cancelation one was too real!!! I was rolling XD

[@DavidHindin]

Oh man. Same

[@ElaEG]

The intern's first order cracked me up. I'm a nurse, our hospital pharmacist used to come up every morning and check med orders with the nurses. I had a med order for a patient who'd had a seizure during the night, and the (relatively new) resident had spelled the name of the anti-seizure medication he had ordered wrong 3 different ways. I was all for calling up the doctor and making him correct the order, but the pharmacist said, don't bother, we know what it is, there's no other applicable med that's delivered in this dose by this route.

[@playtowin6803]

Thirty five years practicing as a nurse anesthetist (CRNA) and this nailed it. I hated having the sales rep in the rooms, it became like a cocktail hour between the rep and the surgeon, and I was sure there was an expensive dinner for the surgeon and rep after the case.

[@Sammie1053]

I used to work in a mid-tier fine dining restaurant within about a mile of the city's medical district. We had a room that could be rented out for private events and I'd say on average we had one medical tech rep per month book the room so they could give a dinner and PowerPoint to a crowd of doctors

[@MissMeganBeckett]

My mom is a pharmacist and I think her favourite part is making a difference for the patients and interacting with people, so I think she fits the stereotype of the nice pharmacist. 2:38

[@cats1900]

I love Dr. Glaucomflecken videos even though I'm not a doctor/nurse. Your explanations on the inside joke is really interesting! I hope you continue this series. Fun video!

[@DavidHindin]

I'm so glad you liked it - thank you so much !

[@DynamiteLs14]

@@DavidHindin I appreciate the explanations too u should do more of his videos .

[@TheNeurosurgeons]

Glad to hear you enjoyed them! David did a great video and reaction 👍🏽

[@louisaruth]

@@DavidHindin honestly, as funny as it is, this is incredibly dark. i already had trust issues with the medical community in the US, and it turns out what i am afraid of is just funny to everyone else. i am laughing, but i also feel sick

[@MeshMwah]

Oooh Trauma surgeon 😮 Go head David you're definitely brave and talented. Nurse over here.. I enjoy your videos, keep it up !

[@DavidHindin]

Thank you so much, Chantell - appreciate all you do as well!

[@MeshMwah]

@@DavidHindin I appreciate this, thank you ☺️

[@Doktracy]

I had a ton of autonomy as a medical student because I did a lot of extremely rural medicine. It helped tremendously but when I started taking pediatrics as an Intern it was terrifying to order anything for those tiny preemies in the NICU. I love watching these. My pharmacists that I had at the VA in our community clinic were so amazing,even as an experienced physician I used their help all the time.

[@iliatchaplinski]

That actually makes me curious. What kind of medications are given to preemies, and in what situations?

[@bethanywinsley6419]

@@iliatchaplinski Hey! NICU nurse here. Preemies can get a lot of medications. The earlier they are, the sicker they're likely to be, and the more medications they'll require. We frequently have to give meds to help with their blood pressure and breathing. Their immune systems are also immature, so they are very prone to infection. We often have to give antibiotics or antifungals to treat/prevent infections. If they need surgery or other painful procedures, they will also be on pain meds. So we can give a lot of the same medications you'd use in the adult ICUs, just in much, much smaller doses.

[@tonygroves5526]

My brother was a device tech. This makes me miss him so much. The "Ego tech" would have had him on the floor in laughter. We lost him about 2 years ago.

[@DavidHindin]

hi Tony, thanks for sharing. I’m so sorry for your loss. He sounds like a great person

[@tonygroves5526]

@@DavidHindin He was so funny and compassionate. One of my best friends. Thank you.

[@fyyyynn]

I'm so sorry for your loss!!🖤

[@45johngalt]

I'm sorry for your loss, but happy that you have good memories.

[@smjobair1572]

You seem like such a humble soft speaking doctor. I think you're an amazing doctor.

[@tiffanywaldron3945]

Love this guy. He really seems to have the pulse on different departments and specialties.

[@denisemangan1413]

I remember the Pharmacist had to go to each patient’s chart in the ward checking & at times correcting Doctors orders in the hospital. He was so diligent & pleasant when I asked him what he was doing. I also remember in theatre when a gynaecologist would tantrum & throw bloody swabs at the theatre wall & make derogatory remarks about the female anatomy. However, most surgeons were great. I worked with Neurologists, Cranial Facial , Haematologists, Oncologists, EMT, Paediatrician & Intensive Care Consultants- to name a few. Working as a student & Registered Nurse in the Royal Adelaide Hospital enriched my life. My mother wanted me to work in a bank! 🇦🇺

[@TwoStepILY]

You know who are great surgeons that don’t lose much blood for their procedures, vets. Vets (a lot of them anyways) are amazing surgeons. They zip that wound up like a zipper on a jacket, and definitely less then 50cc of blood loss, even in some emergency procedures. Animals don’t have as much blood to lose as us.

[@XXx-nm7qh]

Vets also have to wear so many hats in so many medical fields and on so many species! They are the best!

[@michellekeyser8085]

Retired medical social worker here. Even though never had a chance to observe surgery I totally get this. In the ‘90s and ‘00s dealt with and saw my share of prima donna docs in the med surg units. Felt so badly for the nurses who were so disrespected by the private practice docs who would come in on rounds. One of them routinely would scream and hang up on hospital staff who would call him at his office to clarify unclear orders. What a relief when hospitalists and intensivists became a thing. They had bosses who also worked for the hospital and had to watch their behavior

[@amyx231]

Yep. I’ve taught baby docs about ordering insulin/DM supplies, especially needle tips, and…also taught an ER doc about Tamiflu doses for people who’re not babies…

[@allieren]

“Smash the keyboard with their fist…” as an RN, I have definitely seen these orders 😂

[@keithbreaux612]

Pharmacists have the patience of Jobe, with a vast array of knowledge. They are worth their weight in gold.

[@DavidHindin]

Yes!!! So true.

[@livewellwitheds6885]

the image of a liquid suspension suppository is absolutely killing me 😭

[@Uhlbelk]

Actually its a very important method for administrating meds for specific circumstances. Many meds are not formulated as a suppository or IV, and oral or rectal absorption using a liquid suspension is one of the few ways to try and get some into the patient, but in those cases, the nurses are going to understand the necessity :D

[@y.vinitsky6452]

06:44 I was on an anesthesiology rotation some 10 years ago. I caught something on the Imaging and asked the resident if we should hold surgery. She agreed with me, the surgeons were not happy

[@pauldarcangelo7832]

Pharmacists everywhere thank you for your kind words. :)

[@DavidHindin]

It’s 1,000% true! You are the best.

[@louisaruth]

i don't like how pharmacies work with insurance companies. if pharmacists are so nice, why do they allow profit motives to effect who can access medication?

[@circuitsalsa]

​@@louisaruth pharmacists do not set prices

[@louisaruth]

@@circuitsalsa sure, pharmacists are just cogs in the machine, but they profit from it

[@marthawall3318]

Hear, hear!!!

[@breebrat56]

That confirmation nod at “ Shhh! The key to canceling a case it to let the surgeon think it was THEIR idea 💡 😂 “ 🤣🤣🤣 Lol, I hope or everyone isn’t this much of a drama lama ! 😂😂😂

[@DrEsky914]

Close to ROTFL with the intern ordering liquid tylenol PR!! and Pharmacists are the nicest people!! Love it and thanks for the present of this video!!

[@susie9893]

"You may irritate the nurses" 🤭👍 Not to mention the patient!

[@11Rayswife]

Years ago when I was a newbie RN training in OR after a difficult part of the procedure I was so in awe of the surgeon’s performance that I started to give him an ovation. Thankfully I caught myself before I started clapping. That was 25 years ago and I am still employed in the same OR. I love surgery!!!

[@pamyuhnke8143]

I was a nurse for 20+ years and as a new FNP I’m terrified of ordering everything… even Tyl! I already check their LFTS too! 😂

[@DavidHindin]

you're not alone, tylenol is still scary to me! I've seen too much 🙊

[@Uhlbelk]

@@DavidHindin really shouldn't, even in cirrhosis tylenol is safe at moderate doses. In fact with how dangerous most pain medications are in patients with cirrhosis tylenol is one of the safest options. One thing that gets me though, is conflicting orders by surgeons on the use of ibuprofen after surgery, some say its fine, others say don't use. The literature says it's safe. I am not sure what to think.

[@Danboster65]

Yea, the Dr. never calls the pharmacy they leave it to the RN to deal with their mistakes, even residents, but more likely the resident orders something, then later talks to the attending, then cancels the order because the attending doesn't want it. Meanwhile, the RN often has given the med. This drives us (nurses) crazy.

[@ConniMiller]

You brought me back to my very first July 1st as a nurse. I can still remember the look of panic on the intern face when I told him my patient on an NTG gtt was complaining of a headache. When he pulled out the PDR book (yes, pre-smart phone days) to look it up, I finally wrote it out on the order sheet and told him to sign it. I really thought he was going to order a stat CT scan on the patient.

[@kara-ponton]

Happy holidays. That pure silliness the emotional support rep. I had the same thought this has a new resident vibes. The two that are really funny are the orthopaedic surgeon goes the therapy and the cardiologist goes to therapy

[@DavidHindin]

Happy holidays, Kara!

[@kara-ponton]

@@DavidHindin same too you

[@jenniferallen9733]

Yeah, remember those early days and yes, pharmacy is usually so cool. Good video!

[@DavidHindin]

Yes! Thank you!

[@Juleesuz]

I just found your channel after watching Dr. G's videos so I of course HAD to subscribe. Thanks for your analogy of these great videos.

[@DavidHindin]

hey J.S., thank you so much - you’re awesome! I shared a new kind of video I’m trying last weekend. Would love to know what you think! (Ps if you watch all the way to the end there’s a surprise from our 🐶)

[@marthawall3318]

Dr Hindin? Your nod at the very end when he says “just let him think it was his idea” speaks volumes!😂

[@pixiedragon5085]

"Potassium at 1.7... not so much" 😆😆😆😆😆 but FACTS LMFAO, I'm dying. I love you both 💓 🤘✌️🤙💜

[@DavidHindin]

You’re the best. Thank you Ashleigh!

[@smjobair1572]

I don't know shit about medicine but I'm still laughing my ass off. That says a lot!

[@JennyG.COW5]

I've been going to a local grocery store for years and I'm glad I've gotten to know them over the years. A few times I've asked for clarification on my meds and they've been willing to help me. 😊

[@missaniebananie6473]

Residents deserve so much more respect than they get. One poor ER resident tripped as he came into my room and then apologized to me for tripping! He was really nervous (it was mid July so he was not even a month in) but he took so much time and put in so much effort to ensure that I received the best care possible.

[@jneill]

Watched a documentary once where a person had significant chest and back injuries. For the back injuries to be fixed the person needed to be on their stomach. Only there was significant bleeding from the chest injuries so the anestesiologist was highly reluctant before saying no. The surgeon: but I'll be real quick! Anestesiologist: he's actively bleeding into the chest drains so we can't do this! Surgeon finally yielded.

[@susie9893]

As a general rule there is an extensive list of reasons that make certain surgeries inappropriate for certain patients. This is centres around the risk/benefit argument; ie are the risks of surgery (usually being: is there a high chance they'll die on the table?) higher than the likely benefits of the procedure? But sometimes there really isn't any choice. If the patient doesn't get the procedure they're definitely dead vs if they have the procedure they might die

[@jneill]

@@susie9893 they left him to recover but that meant leaving surgery of lumbar fractures for later which left the person with a degree of paralysis.

[@denisemangan1413]

Love Dr Glaocomflecken & your response. You give some more insight into the Medical world🇦🇺

[@kayinYTrabbithole]

You forgot to mention about the surgeon calling his admin assistant to find a patient

[@DavidHindin]

that’s amazing 😂

[@Vishnu-B]

I am no where close to the medical industry but I enjoy and even understand most of Dr. G's content but I cant share it with anyone since none of family or friends enjoy this. So, its very nice to have Dr. Hindin's reactions. Its nice to have someone who also enjoys and sometimes even helps understand few of the intricacies that I might miss, not being from the field. Thank you Dr. Hindin.

[@ZephyrInTheSky8008]

Love your reactions. Miss them! They have been showing up in my feed to remind me that I miss them. ❤

[@pixiedragon5085]

"This has new residency vibes all over it" 😆😆😆😆😆❤❤❤ PRN mouth stuff, PR butt stuff..... got it. Hahaha

[@DavidHindin]

I'm seeing your comedian skills already haha

[@MommyOfZoeAndLiam]

As a person who has a spinal stimulator in my bladder nerves that is for an off label use, I found this funny. I love my device rep. I see her almost as often as I see my doctor because she has to tweak the programming on the stimulator. My urologist cuts me open, she does everything else.

[@georgetteclarke3538]

This actor deserves an Emmy.

[@feralbluee]

i love your remarks - i don’t get as much out of the comedy as you do, so i really enjoy listening to you. :) 😋🌷🌱

[@sarahrupert5320]

As an RN I really love your reaction videos, but you don’t even have to be in healthcare to enjoy them. Thanks so much & please keep on doing them! Happy New Years to you & yours. 🥂🥳

[@DavidHindin]

this is so kind of you, Sarah! Thank you!

[@amberh8118]

I love these videos and subscribe to you both. Great perspectives.x

[@DavidHindin]

hi Amber! Thank you so much! I shared a new kind of video I’m trying last weekend. Would love to know what you think! (Ps if you watch all the way to the end there’s a surprise from our 🐶)

[@mrtoadslove]

When I was a new nurse on an orthopedic and surgical floor I lived on the phone with the pharmacy in my first year because of the crazy orders I frequently saw and that needed to be corrected. The pharmacists were hands down the nicest people in the hospital.

[@intrepidtomato]

Love these reaction videos, I hope you get to do more! you have a really nice manner and explain well, I bet your team and the patients love you.

[@rufusgoldstein2655]

As part of the OR team, these videos really hit home.

[@rachelk4805]

It's reassuring that even very educated professionals feel like they don't know what they're doing.

[@AlphaGator9]

I am a plebean with not much more than an Infantryman's medical training, and i absolutely love Dr. Glaucomflecken's videos. Most of the time i get lost in his jargon and referneces, but i can "read" his face and tone, and it gets me laughing everytime.

[@sarahm9723]

You're a great doctor addition to the Dr Glaucomflecken addiction! 🤣 Thanks for explaining things. It doubles the humor!

[@puppypower6958]

OMG! I thought the surgeons where I work were unusually dramatic. I didn’t know that this was a surgeon trait. 😮

[@amazinggrace5692]

As a med student, I had an OB GYN tell me during surgery that I had better cut the suture right or he would “cut my tits off”. It was the early 80’s and we women were frequently alone in a sea of men on any given rotation. I wanted to be a doctor, so I never complained. I hope things are better now.

[@sierrasky2491]

Sounds like that experience discouraged you from becoming a doctor yes?

[@amazinggrace5692]

@@sierrasky2491 oh no it did not! I became a pediatrician!

[@sierrasky2491]

@@amazinggrace5692 you are one brave soul! I'm so glad you got to do your dream and didn't let anybody intimidate you.

[@ScoobyDoozy]

@ScoobyDoozy 1 second ago My device rep is a really experienced PICU RN, naturally a lot of surg experience. He works in-house with the clinic a couple days a week, seeing patients with the device, not including theatre days. I’m worried we’ll soon lose him to management, he’ll leave giant shoes to fill. We’re very lucky to have him! Sadly no emotional support rep accompanying him.

[@alyceunivrrsity]

These are so wholesome! I love it!

[@ClarissaRose]

Thank you for sharing this video with us!!! I love watching your reactions and commentary about them since I'm a pre-med student, but it's also just really interesting!!!!

[@SerialElfYT]

I hadn't even seen the first meds order one yet, TY!

[@DavidHindin]

I'm glad to have served it up for you!! :)

[@Ms.Cookie]

I love my pharmacist; they once offered to by a liquid form of medication (I couldn't take pills at the time) at a loss since they had to order 70 at a time and I was the only one asking for it

[@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275]

Now I wanna hear the story of how a nurse had to deliver a Tylenol suspension every four hours per rectum, and how weird it had to be for the patient

[@leslierhodes1782]

Beats having to swallow a suppository!!😂😂😂

[@smjobair1572]

What up trauma bro! I love your videos so much! When are you going to upload next?!

[@DavidHindin]

Posted a new one last wknd!

[@jqryan]

Great Reaction vidoes. I work in Health Care and just discoverd Dr Glaucomflecken... They are so funny & it's great to hear what a surgeon thinks

[@joshmcgoo]

I'm an intern and still order vanco wrong more often than correctly.

[@DavidHindin]

Thank goodness for pharmacists amirite?

[@hiimpercy]

The magic words are 'pharmacy to dose' :D

[@ZH-pi5wq]

So unbelievably accurate 😂😂

[@DavidHindin]

Haha so glad you liked it!

[@rjcoady21]

As a previous manufacturer, I fucking lol'ed at the Stryker rep

[@HH_The_Great]

When an interventional radiologist installed a pipeline embolization device in my internal carotid artery, he had the other doctor qualified in placing them, and also the rep there. They didn't get the first one deployed successfully, so maybe the rep helped them to fix it on the second try.

[@45johngalt]

I work at a retail store that has a pharmacy. My FAVORITE thing to do to the pharmacy techs and the pharmacists themselves is to ask what "PRN" stands for. If they say "oh... it means as needed." I repeat the question differently saying "No. I asked what does PRN LITERALLY stand for?" so far in my five years none have been able to answer. Hint: it's Latin.

[@sera.84]

As the wife of a paediatric pharmacist his ego doesn’t need to be any bigger than it is thanks 😂😂😂

[@kenny01ro63]

Your video reactions are my favorite

[@DavidHindin]

You made my day - thank you!!

[@karens1967]

❤️ the hst quilt in the backround

[@Eagle-rv3iy]

I just had my galbladder removed and I was told 30mins before my surgery. I had a full bottle of Gatorade just before and anesthesia delayed the surgery for 2 hours. I could tell there was some tension....

[@lilbatz]

I'm howling. As someone who used to roll around in the wild with a 2.0 K (Conn's Syndrome), this is hysterical. Anyway, love your channel. It's a total hoot. Happy New Year! And hoping you aren't working 12/31 and 1/1 🥳🍾💀

[@sharezi21]

👋🏻 I have secondary hyperaldosteronism

[@maxb7871]

I used to be an ortho device rep that worked with a lot of Surgeons and this is pretty spot on to an elevated extent. There's a weird dynamic between the reps and surgeons.

[@aurumxargentum]

9:21 "No further comment" lmfao

[@DavidHindin]

😂 it's true lol

[@NightShade1161]

I love this alllllll!!! Of it! ….❤ thank you

[@DavidHindin]

You are awesome - thank you!!

[@NightShade1161]

@@DavidHindin thank you! so much for reading my comment! I genuinely appreciate it!….. Your awesome and I really do love all of it!!!…😊💜😊

[@stefanc4520]

How much Drama does it take to get to Trauma levels?

[@DavidHindin]

Trauma drama is intense! 😂

[@hudaalhadi9536]

A regular med student here who wants to be a trauma surgeon, I liked your personality it's really inspiring, and you remind me that it's possible to go thro this road , Do you think it's possible for a slow person to learn to adapt the intense and fast vibe of Trauma surgery?

[@northernpianotuner3319]

That's what nurses & assistants are for. They can do the fast stuff. You just save the patient.

[@divineguidance1972]

I'm in Healthcare and this is hilarious to me .🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Yupppi]

Microtome in fact sounds awesome. I think I've seen the brain slices for reconstructing a digital structure of the brain and that was amazing. Just from the engineer's perspective.

[@Yahuaa]

3:30 uh-huh trying to keep your Johnathan under wraps I see.

[@wendy8246]

Tea tree oil, salt and baking soda are safe for feet

[@NoahKuzel]

To quote the great Dr. Cox "It's regular strength Tylenol, have her open her mouth, grab a handful, and throw it at her. Whatever sticks, that's the correct dosage"

[@donmcatee45]

PR would provide fastest absorption but PO is probably the more accepted route…

[@veldomort]

If the surgeon orders anything q4 PR when it’s not needed, I will lock them in during dressing change with the patient and leave the vial on the table.

[@donmcatee45]

@@veldomort any ordering physician should be required to administer such meds.

[@Sharona80]

I think you’re adorable and I say that with all the respect due an attending trauma surgeon. 🤩

[@DavidHindin]

haha thank you so much, Sharon!! I shared a new kind of video I’m trying last weekend. Would love to know what you think! (Ps it’s not a reaction video BUT if you watch all the way to the end there’s a surprise from our 🐶)

[@shaniecesingleton3704]

“Then disappear into the night” 😂😂Hahaha like BATMAN

[@Uhlbelk]

Being the primary physician and one of few providers able to prescribe controlled meds, I have a very close relationship with our head pharmacist. Do we carry this? Do we have this dosage? Why is the EMR flashing this medication interaction? Can we get patient assistance for this medication? My pharmacist is pretty amazing.

[@wendy8246]

I've met so many persons who have family members whom have died of cancer, so many

[@wendy8246]

Ok like an eye phone blue tooth greeting kinda idk, my paradigm is shifting currently

[@AmataTai]

I'm a pharmacy technician, and I love it- ...... except Insurance. Those companies are evil

[@wendy8246]

Calling all lamps it was really good! Shame the cost of computer science

[@wendy8246]

I do try to be reasonable and ethical I'm trying to process something I'm taking seriously an so forth so I can see you try, so that's good

[@TheSpr90]

Lol "no further comment" 🤣

[@wendy8246]

For example reduce foot pain by shoe additives

[@wendy8246]

Is it sample size or?

[@frankallen3634]

My potassium was at 1.5 and my iron was worse. But of course they never found out why